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[Cephrir]

Eh, alright.

VOTE: Oka

[Cephrir]

doing what mastina wants fills me with a powerful foreboding.

[Cephrir]

[Cephrir]

rip all the fun people

i'll keep snarking in your honor until the scum finally put me out of my misery

[Cephrir]

if ur scum pls tell your partner to shoot me thank u

[Cephrir]

i'm always vibing

[Cephrir]

but i should really be doing something else right now

[Cephrir]

._.

[Cephrir]

okay if that's real i know some folks who are going to get a laugh out of it

[Cephrir]

one of them is me

[Cephrir]

Neapolitans are not "Vanilla Cops". Neapolitans can confirm someone to be Town, and precisely a Vanilla Townie.

imagine an announcing vanilla cop lol

as if vanilla cops weren't already useless enough

lmao

[Cephrir]

i don't think i can divine IV's targets from his iso, if someone else wants to give it a shot be my guest

i'm kind of upset that there were 700 announcing roles in this game and not one of them ever visited me q.q

[Cephrir]

next i will have to reread oka even though doing this basically never helps me. it is tradition

[Cephrir]

we have 3 chances to find the 1 scum that's almost certainly in wf/titus/agar/hopkirk so that's not like a bad situation

[Cephrir]

i will roll my eyes all the way into the sun if mastina claims she figured out there was a vanilla cop enabler in the game before today.

[Cephrir]

god i can already hear her typing "a vanilla cop enabler specifically? no. but did i strongly suspect there was something like that? yes."

[Cephrir]

i'm not particularly planning to vote you, but i fully expect to be steamrolled

[Cephrir]

the vig died night 2 please get with the program.

[Cephrir]

why not? you think you've done anything that incriminating?

i think it's just winterflakes, honestly

[Cephrir]

is there anyone here who isn't operating under the delusion mafia is a math problem or is it just me

[Cephrir]

the entire game, titus. the one i've been reading and you obviously haven't.

you've played mafia with me before. it really, truly stretches the bounds of my imagination to think that you still believe i'm out here analyzing vote counts.

[Cephrir]

winter flakes has done jack shit for the entire game. he's been barely participating at all, maybe popping in while under pressure but doing the absolute bare minimum all game long *and* none of the flipped scum to my recollection have really seemed to go for him despite that

[Cephrir]

also more importantly i have townreads on everyone else except for you

[Cephrir]

perhaps that should cause you to rethink your process for elims rather than give up

[Cephrir]

i can't wait to lose this game when titus yeets my obvtown ass in elo because bussing isn't possible.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: winter flakes

[Cephrir]

I mean, who in the game has at any point been targeted by the vanilla cop

Not specifically last night

I still want to know this.

[Cephrir]

Dang it suspects stop making me think you're town by giving up

[Cephrir]

i would like to get a clear answer from everyone on whether they were targeted by the vanilla cop, particularly last night.

i don't really think checking a50 last night makes sense.

[Cephrir]

fine

VOTE: agar

Eat at Arby's in Hell.

[Cephrir]

I assume it's Ceph? Infinity thinks the same.

VOTE: Ceph

You changed your tune rather suddenly, didnt you.

@mastina, can we take today a little slower and make sure we get it right? I feel that we have to get it today as tomorrow you will be dead and I will probably be eliminated.

[Cephrir]

I still don't think it's you or ythan but I want to go over everyone else since this feels like our one shot. I think it probably isn't titus at this point, although I'm far from sure, but I'm no longer convinced it isn't hopkirk.

[Cephrir]

I need to redo my VCA but it's 4 am and I am real behind on mafia. Sleep, work, then catchup.

[Cephrir]

sorry that should read @WF(aAoU)

ceph is giving vibes of playing towards an endgame based on the initial posting today + on reluctance on agar yesterday

I knew someone would say that and I put it to you that lol shut up. i can read writing on the wall and it's obvious to me that two of you, titus and winter will be happy to vote me tomorrow despite how painfully bleeding obvtown i have been the entire game. i do expect this sort of thing from titus, of course, because she is going to catch me with her sick vca as usual (spoilers: i vote a lot, so vca always concludes that i am scum because it's fucking stupid). i'm realistic enough to plan for that.

I have been townreading agar all game and now we're going to try to make me look bad for being right about it? cool.

[Cephrir]

anyway @mastina please send help and solve this with me today because they'll listen to you. god i can't believe i am saying this please shoot me in the head.

[Cephrir]

vanilla cop enabler is a stupid claim. why are we just accepting that?

[Cephrir]

did a bit of softing because it's fun

it's not a prodge if i throw in some game content right?

this is a pretty brave view,

but what if there's a cop in the game?

that's a role that's allowed in normals. well

that's it for me

.

first soft

post lld flip i still like everyone from the core of lld pushers tbh(/d) (Mastina/Xtoxm/DGB/Herc despite rep leaving)
so most likely gamestate is that scum were happy to let us park there and either doing not much or pushing alternatives too. probably some scum towards the end of LLD given the early push are town independently

Mastina- gut, but i trust my gut on mastina. i've trusted my gut on Mastina over a cop check (

Vanilla cop

checking mafia goon with 1 goon flipped so not a full cop, but you get the idea)
Xtoxm- maybe i'm biased but the stuff with Auro on their server is locktown
Hercule- early game tonal difference natural beyond what i think can be faked

dunn claiming town was useful

(Titus/Innocentvillager/Agar/The Worst/Oka/Jjh/Ceph/Ythan/A50) i should reread at some point
Ceph is probably better than i was viewing yesterday on an LLD townflip
i like+/liked people in there before but i want to reread all of them
Agar prob still scum

i checked that game because i wanted to get the role name right, then decided to intentionally use 'vanilla cop' instead of the actual role (wet rolecop) so that i could point back to this later

role pm didn't specifically say it was an announcing vanilla cop

mastina, is this actually what happened in the aforementioned game?

[Cephrir]

why did it take 2000 posts to get to a soft unless this has to do with the informed info and took a while to plan

[Cephrir]

why is there a vanilla cop in this setup and why is it so good it needs an enabler?

if i'm scum here, why have i spent the entire game shooting all my allies?

[Cephrir]

with the exception of last night's very obvious kill, every shot in this game has been on someone who was townreading me strongly, and there were always other valid options

[Cephrir]

what is sort of thing is 'informed' typically of?

it can be literally anything afaik.

[Cephrir]

i'm not so convinced dunn was a vig hunting kill. look at his suspects- he was going to vig jjh or IV next, and they were both town

a50 was probably killed for his role, but he was not completely off the elim table. i don't think i'd have killed him yet, especially with no clue where his target was going.

[Cephrir]

i'm not so convinced dunn was a vig hunting kill. look at his suspects- he was going to vig jjh or IV next, and they were both town

(so why not just let him be for a while?)

[Cephrir]

whatever, this isn't a strong point i just think it's really obvious that i'm town and i'm flailing because i'm frustrated with where things are going when i'm not that confident it's winter

[Cephrir]

I am too, admittedly.

[Cephrir]

I wonder what xtoxm was pushing at time of death too. I dont see bell/oka as very analytical scum players and their partner is either someone who's been checked out or you, so I feel like shooting obvtown or correct players are their most likely moves

[Cephrir]

i'm so annoyed a50 didn't realize 1 scum left meant it was time for him to pretend to be a vig every night.

[Cephrir]

You changed your tune rather suddenly, didnt you.

ya

so why aren't you sure it's me anymore?

I've never been sure and I would've liked to get it out of the way when we had more room for error

[Cephrir]

Why didn't bell try very hard to push titus?

[Cephrir]

okay

d1

hop says lld wagon core is all gucci

d2

after lld flips town, hop says lld wagon core is all gucci

d3

herc, part of the lld cuties has flipped scum, he says the lld wagon core is all gucci

i mean

is this a realistic thought process from town

double double down

does oka ever say this about his partner

VOTE: titus

VOTE: bell

VOTE: mastina

okay google yeah set a reminder

VOTE: titus

still going to hammer bell when the timer expires i think

anyways gtg

why doesn't oka care about saving bell enough to do anything active? i guess he said he was busy, but isn't it also possible he thought titus was a less salvageable slot between his two partners?

am i asking these questions to a brick wall?

are anyone's teammates reading the game besides infinity? i could use some more town aligned perspectives i am drowning and i need your help

[Cephrir]

here's where dunn was eod2

Titus do you agree that you look flat and lifeless this game?

Unrelated I feel like I need to, like, recalibrate, refocus, figure out where I'm going.

I think voting for jjh would still be ~okay~

[Cephrir]

i should just sheep ceph or something, all of his posting makes me feel good feelings

yeah i shot this guy for sure

anyway xtoxm pushed through the bell lim reasonably hard but his next target looked like jjh

[Cephrir]

god if hopkirk is scum i'm going to get obliterated for believing a claim as silly as vanilla cop enabler

i don't think he is though :/

[Cephrir]

Post sounds more like I know you're scum than anything

[Cephrir]

we do have 12 days

[Cephrir]

i tried to read oka's iso and i just couldn't do it

[Cephrir]

If ythan bigbrained that hammer and faked his reaction to a50, he can have it, I'm 100% fine losing to that

[Cephrir]

I have slogged through hxh to get to what is allegedly one of the best arcs in anime ever even though I dont really like the show and want to punch most of the characters

So far that arc is just okay and I think I may have wasted my time but I'm gonna finish it out I guess

[Cephrir]

Fine, then. We lose if it's not winter flakes, I guess. You guys are ridiculous.

VOTE: Winter Flakes

[Cephrir]

is that *sniff sniff*

fake frustration i smell

just kidding my sense of smell is terrible

unless... *eye emojis toward ceph*

I would clearly be genuinely frustrated here regardless of my alignment.

[Cephrir]

Fine, then. We lose if it's not winter flakes, I guess. You guys are ridiculous.

I'm sorry but I'm being asked to judge which of these slots that I overall feel are incredibly town and have been for the vast majority of the game, is the least-town of them; I'm being asked to judge which of these slots that have almost nothing scum about them, is the most likely to be scum.

I admit that it does deserve further deep delving into crucial areas of the game but on that metric your objective towncred and objective scum measurements are in fact lower/higher (respectively) than most others, at least without a deep delve into their nuances.

But subjectively I do see the town in you and the lack of scum.
I just also see the town in Titus and Hopkirk and the lack of scum in them.

It's kind of insulting to be rated lower than titus' empty iso because loludidntvoteforbell.

[Cephrir]

like ive been out here spilling my emotions and working my butt off and i'm not really keen on losing to someone who did jack shit fuck all because there happened to be competing scum wagons or smth.

[Cephrir]

or to someone who fakeclaimed vanilla cop enabler, which again, is a dumb role.

[Cephrir]

[Cephrir]

I pushed every flipped scum in the game

i guess i'll examine the truth value of this tomorrow if there's a tomorrow (more for my pride in calling it right than because i expect to survive). more and more thinking there won't be though.

[Cephrir]

I'm here, but I'm pretty much just waiting for yall to do whatever you want to do before we end the day

[Cephrir]

of course one giving up post sways you more than my hundreds of posts worth of trying to solve the game.

[Cephrir]

it would appear the only feeling i have left for this game is irritation.

[Cephrir]

oh hey now that w13 is over I can point out that titus was town in that game at the same time she's allegedly been town in this one and her posts there have about 100 times as much life and effort.

[Cephrir]

That game as a whole had much more life and effort. If you compare the end of the game to here, both had little activity, scum AtE and scum trying to put me in the scumpool. My activity level dropped.

I was active earlier in WH13 when it was active. My energies went to the faster threads because there was more there, just like the early days here.

To argue that I gave more energy in WH13 is disingenuous. I gave both approximately the same amount of effort.

The middle of this game was plenty fast.

It's not disingenuous because it's my real opinion lol.

[Cephrir]

what scum ATE has been happening in this game what are you even talking about.

[Cephrir]

Bell the worst, representing Daylight Savings Time - Mafia Informed 2-shot Activated Bulletproof - Eliminated Day Three

y'know, i've been assuming this was about something to do with the bulletproof (i.e. informed of the vig & babysitter) but what if it isn't? what if they were informed of the whole setup, since that's apparently a thing? it sure would be easy to crumb something relevant if you knew the whole setup

[Cephrir]

So? Are you claiming Hopkirk knew the setup and that's why he claimed and crumbed what he did?

I'm pointing out that it's possible. I'm just trying to preemptively figure out which of you two it might be so that if there's a tomorrow I can die while voting correctly.

Is being informed of the setup a thing? I skimmed the last few setups with them a week or two back and they're typically 1-2 roles or a mechanic. Only time I've seen informed be all the roles is when I've personally run it off-site. Where did you see it being a thing?

I'm uncertain whether I'm allowed to answer that

[Cephrir]

oh, right, there was a rolecop. i guess that wouldn't make sense then huh.

[Cephrir]

and the first crumb was indeed day 1, although it's not the best one in the world.

[Cephrir]

did a bit of softing because it's fun

it's not a prodge if i throw in some game content right?

this is a pretty brave view,

but what if there's a cop in the game?

that's a role that's allowed in normals. well

that's it for me

.

first soft

post lld flip i still like everyone from the core of lld pushers tbh(/d) (Mastina/Xtoxm/DGB/Herc despite rep leaving)
so most likely gamestate is that scum were happy to let us park there and either doing not much or pushing alternatives too. probably some scum towards the end of LLD given the early push are town independently

Mastina- gut, but i trust my gut on mastina. i've trusted my gut on Mastina over a cop check (

Vanilla cop

checking mafia goon with 1 goon flipped so not a full cop, but you get the idea)
Xtoxm- maybe i'm biased but the stuff with Auro on their server is locktown
Hercule- early game tonal difference natural beyond what i think can be faked

dunn claiming town was useful

(Titus/Innocentvillager/Agar/The Worst/Oka/Jjh/Ceph/Ythan/A50) i should reread at some point
Ceph is probably better than i was viewing yesterday on an LLD townflip
i like+/liked people in there before but i want to reread all of them
Agar prob still scum

i checked that game because i wanted to get the role name right, then decided to intentionally use 'vanilla cop' instead of the actual role (wet rolecop) so that i could point back to this later

role pm didn't specifically say it was an announcing vanilla cop

[Cephrir]

It's time for everyone's favorite game show, pin the tail on the warthog

[Cephrir]

I don't think we NL here. Even if ythan lived I don't think I would ever vote him so there's really no point.

[Cephrir]

I guess there's a world where the a50 thing was because they rolecopped him but like it's not as if titus or hopkirk have played such shining bastion of town games that I feel like I need more options. I guess someone other than him dying would help me figure out who's scum, but I also feel like he's the only shot we have of getting it right today so.

[Cephrir]

i was expecting ythan to die and i had an argument ready for why i would have shot mastina instead >:/

[Cephrir]

i was really hoping i wouldn't have to reread your iso Ceph. can you point me to any good bits?

every post i make is a masterpiece

I hope the dead chat is having fun. Sigh I wonder what they're up to in there.

i don't think team mafia has dead chats

[Cephrir]

I was expecting to get my ass handed to me, so I'm kind of disappointed

[Cephrir]

why was Oka here? your last read on him was the meh/scum-lean pile and there's no indication that you liked him more. how did you move from sus -> sheepable here?
similar for dunn but less notable since dunn wasn't scum but oka was

I was grouping those people together as the group I was vibing with last game- I find them charismatic and fun to work with

I am running out the door to get vaccinated but will be able to respond to more of this soon

[Cephrir]

oh yeah all this dumb stuff happened and i'd call it really sus if multiple people also pushing it hadn't already flipped town...
i still don't get the perspective that you're arguing here? it's also hard to judge objectively... hey @Ythan?

Fair - I regret this line of argument now

[Cephrir]

you have a lot of snark that feels like overconfidence in stuff compared to where it feels like you are outside of it. is that a bad sign

Idk. Snark is part of my enjoyment of mafia

I have felt considerably less grumpy than I was in the first iteration of this game (well, until recently) and I hope that came through

[Cephrir]

Re bell- I think I took "bell is an easy read" to too great an extreme. I haven't actually seen his scum game, but I did see how easily he got a town pass in tenet. So I doubted my read when bell started doing anything.

[Cephrir]

i was also told Bell is an easy read by Hectic and (by the end of p2) your progression on him feels weird in terms of sussing him the entire time then pushing the Titus wagon instead of the Bell wagon when they were dueling later and i'm really confused

Bell also seems missing from his readwall unless I am blind.

bell replaced the worst

[Cephrir]

His readwall violates the rule of 3 though.

I'm better than this lol

[Cephrir]

Lord almighty do I wish I had been killed night 1.

[Cephrir]

oh stop, i'm blushing

[Cephrir]

stuff resonated from agar? didn't you say you had different reasons/didn't resonate with Agar before this

running off the top of my head here but i think i didn't like his original points but did like the ones he added later

i think i addressed the bell-related question from this post last page

[Cephrir]

i think maybe the way for me to get more data at this point is to finish the oka iso i gave up on. i wasn't sure if i was going to try today but it seems like there's maybe some chance of me not just waking up with three votes on me at this point

[Cephrir]

ah, i spoke too soon

[Cephrir]

you mention later that 'dueling wagons aren't uncommon' in response to Titus/Bell dueling wagons but don't bring it up at all after Bell/Luca wagons as far as i can tell? how was that?

idk, i guess it didn't come up?

the idea was also more on my mind because i witnessed dueling scum wagons happening in warehouse 13

[Cephrir]

did you read Oka? i'm assuming not since it didn't come up, but it feels like you decided not to since this was a month ago and there's no indications you thought about doing it again?

i started to but gave up after about 1 iso page. i think there might be evidence i did this somewhere?

[Cephrir]

i don't really get your general reaction to titus over the last few days here

possibly it is coming partly from my general dislike of her scumhunting techniques and being annoyed i potentially have to cope with them in a high stakes situation

but i am currently leaning towards her being scum so perhaps i don't need to after all

[Cephrir]

did you read Oka? i'm assuming not since it didn't come up, but it feels like you decided not to since this was a month ago and there's no indications you thought about doing it again?

i started to but gave up after about 1 iso page. i think there might be evidence i did this somewhere?

yep, 5814

[Cephrir]

although this post makes me think i didn't start at the beginning which is strange

[Cephrir]

flopz has a point. i am also a bad person who watches dubs. if the dub is bad, i just... don't watch the show

my gut has ythan as more likely scum than you right now. that probably isn't great lol.

[Cephrir]

did you read Oka? i'm assuming not since it didn't come up, but it feels like you decided not to since this was a month ago and there's no indications you thought about doing it again?

i started to but gave up after about 1 iso page. i think there might be evidence i did this somewhere?

yep, 5814

noted
i don't really get how you could make that mistake from either alignment (starting at 5k posts in and not realizing) if it was intended as a full iso so i'm wondering if you were really tired at the time...
definitely impossible to genuinely make the mistake if you're scum together

i don't think it was unintentional, i must have done it on purpose, i'm just not sure why

[Cephrir]

flopz has a point. i am also a bad person who watches dubs. if the dub is bad, i just... don't watch the show

my gut has ythan as more likely scum than you right now. that probably isn't great lol.

didn't you have ythan as locktown? has that changed?

i also suggested 'what if you get two monitors, put one anime on one and listen to a dub and watch it with one eye, then put a subbed anime on the other one with the sound off and watch/read it with the other eye' and flopz told me to kill myself. he's a pretty opinionated guy on anime. although if you ask him about his favourite ships then he'll talk about them for hours lol

i did, i mostly still do, but it's important to always be thinking. and when i see you putting in a ton of effort and titus dropping insane dumbtells like not knowing who the bell slot replaced, i have to at least think about it

[Cephrir]

i was also told Bell is an easy read by Hectic and (by the end of p2) your progression on him feels weird in terms of sussing him the entire time then pushing the Titus wagon instead of the Bell wagon when they were dueling later and i'm really confused

Bell also seems missing from his readwall unless I am blind.

the worst was listed in it

[Cephrir]

it's not the first time she has apparently not known anything that happened in this game

[Cephrir]

i only followed the game in fits and starts tbh but didn't see anything like that when i did

[Cephrir]

flopz has a point. i am also a bad person who watches dubs. if the dub is bad, i just... don't watch the show

my gut has ythan as more likely scum than you right now. that probably isn't great lol.

Ythan as more likely scum than Hopkirk? Really? How do you get that?

i just like his posts today. i did say "gut," though. i use my head too.

[Cephrir]

i'm sure you could guess i was going to check that game and observe that it is night and day vs. this one.

[Cephrir]

Ythan why does that iso have content in it?

like i said, night and day

[Cephrir]

Deas requests a summary of where each of you is at and why, including pointing to a previous post where you've already done so that still holds.

I have returned to feeling comfortable Ythan is town. As previously stated, his actions around the A50 fiasco and his hammer of Bell are good enough for me. Also, seeing a scum game of his convinced me this isn't it.

I think it is most likely Titus, although I'm not tunnelling. She just hasn't demonstrated much town motivation or done much of anything besides vaguely shake a stick at VCA. I think it's totally reasonable Oka could have chosen to bus her over Bell given competing scum wagons, and although I confess I do find her apparent consistent inability to remember which players have flipped scum this game to be +town, that's not enough on its own.

Hopkirk has done decent analysis and put effort in all game, even if I've found a few things skeevy. I am sure AGar is screaming at me from the grave, but I feel like I should get a brownie point for not wanting to eliminate AGar at least. That said, his roleclaim is kind of ridiculous, and that's the main point against him as far as I'm concerned. It surprises me that he just kind of ignored (iirc) the discussion around whether he should be preserved for a day until the neapolitan outed while knowing the result would not clear him.

I still plan to do more research before arriving at a final decision; I also plan to selfishly take their leanings into account (if one of them is dead set it's me, then I might as well hope it's them since we lose otherwise).

[Cephrir]

I also did find some anti-associatives (imo) between hop and oka, which is a factor

[Cephrir]

okay

d1

hop says lld wagon core is all gucci

d2

after lld flips town, hop says lld wagon core is all gucci

d3

herc, part of the lld cuties has flipped scum, he says the lld wagon core is all gucci

i mean

is this a realistic thought process from town

double double down

does oka ever say this about his partner

VOTE: titus

VOTE: bell

VOTE: mastina

okay google yeah set a reminder

VOTE: titus

still going to hammer bell when the timer expires i think

anyways gtg

why doesn't oka care about saving bell enough to do anything active? i guess he said he was busy, but isn't it also possible he thought titus was a less salvageable slot between his two partners?

am i asking these questions to a brick wall?

are anyone's teammates reading the game besides infinity? i could use some more town aligned perspectives i am drowning and i need your help

talking about the top bit of this. i should continue looking tho.

[Cephrir]

Meh

[Cephrir]

idk I'm planning to treat Ythan as confirmed town anyway so why tempt fate with the 0.000001% chance you could be a secret double voter.

[Cephrir]

I'm almost positive the odds are the same haha. I planned on giving Ythan's opinion a lot of weight anyway. Also, if we did clear one or more players as town, why would we bother having a tomorrow?

[Cephrir]

Yeah, my path is the right one. With both possible scum objecting, it's pretty obvious I am right.

Or... it's just logically pointless and both of us can see that whether or not we're scum lol.

Fine, since you both insist, VOTE: Titus.

[Cephrir]

If ythan picks a townie, he has a 66% chance of being right
then, picking scum from the remaining two is a 50% chance.

if we just pick randomly from among us, it's 33%, but 66% x 50% = 33%

cmon it just intuitively makes no sense that this in any way improves our odds

[Cephrir]

hi ythan

[Cephrir]

i'll give you a few minutes so there's no doubt

[Cephrir]

i promise your hypothetical scum self that none of us are secretly a role that can fuck with you

[Cephrir]

UNVOTE:

i think that should cover it, and if you're slow playing scum that's fine i don't care.

[Cephrir]

i don't know if i ever explicitly claimed but i am VT obviously

[Cephrir]

[Ythan waiting room]

Would love to hear your thoughts in general, if you're ready.

[Cephrir]

Btw, Cephrir. I told you that I have been in conflict with the flipped scum. You said you would check but I haven't seen your results.

I haven't done anything yet. Still planning to. Was kind of hoping ythan would help me out by taking a stance tho.

[Cephrir]

I suspect my answer to that will be yes, but I think pretty much anything has the potential to come from town. I'll take a look at it though.

[Cephrir]

ouch

[Cephrir]

Might still do stuff if anyone cares but kind of hype to abdicate responsibility

[Cephrir]

We don't get to see the work? I was excited for that foxy goodness.

[Cephrir]

I suppose paraphrasing it might be a nightmare.

It is nice to know that at least one third party doesnt think we're out our fucking minds for letting a vanilla cop enabler claim live.

[Cephrir]

I don't have a personal problem with you and I'm aware that my disagreement with your methods does not make you scum

[Cephrir]

oka iso thought #1: if scum lose this game it's because oka fucked up his ritual

they needed a little extra dark power to get across the finish line

[Cephrir]

i should just ctrl+f this for relevant players instead of reading it all

hey do u guys remember that time we elimed our best player d1? good times.

[Cephrir]

iso pg 1:
oka townreads hop for no reason
has a few interactions with titus that aren't especially noteworthy

ill have to take a deeper look at my catchup later but i got pinged on discord to do a quick thingy:

don't see why the reaction to ythan's AtE spew is to wagon titus, if anything its time to bag and tag ythan. he's not really doing anything but AtE, like complaining about day length and then voting me, criticizing iv's quixotic attempt to reach out for him, i mean like cmon

he's just whining and whining and why is this scummy?

he's whining and not doing anything about it, honestly i think he's just flailing and minimzing damage by minimizing possible associatives. there isn't any attempt to say this is who i townread and this is who i scumread here are some reasons, no i dislike x because y for reasons z, it's just vague general angryposts that mean nothing

okay in depth catchup plus responses to stuff pointed at me later

also i like titus and would rather her see lylo than ythan and titus is more likely to eat a bullet if she's town eventually so there is that argument if you are into that

is this too obvious?

i pulled up my disc paraphrase:

me: thoughts on titus' activity level/read?

math: it's nai

and there it is folks, sorry i didn't post that

shouldn't math have had more to say here?

[Cephrir]

2092 is a whole post of interaction with hopkirk but i don't get anything out of it
not much else on this page

[Cephrir]

always town:

okapoka

probably town:

dunn, ceph, xtoxm, hop

lean town:

iv, agar, luca, titus

null:

mastina

scum remnants:

bell, ythan, jjh, flakes, a50

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however this is not a solve there is 100% at least 1 scum *maybe 2* in my town bins because well, this would be bad scumplay if the scumteam was entirely in my leanscum-probscum categories

i haven't really seen a reason from oka why he townreads titus so i'm not sure why she isn't null here

hop voting me is not a good look for him tbh especially with his post before that

noting to see if there is follow up on this

although if you are a meta nerd and now that im thinking about my own past

also probably why titus townreads me

my play here is probably closer to the later days of titus vs alisae. i had my own opinions but i was much more deferential. maybe meta is a circle

why does oka feel compelled to explain titus' read for her?

A50 goes to null too. Liked him v ythan.

u can like a50 but liking him because of vs ythan is going to make me depressed

Why? I don't want sad penguins.

a50 was trolling that interaction and being really annoying about it

is this interaction uncharacteristically cutesy from titus?

[Cephrir]

VOTE: titus

still going to hammer bell when the timer expires i think

anyways gtg

what the heck.

oka has been townreading titus and scumreading bell. why does he try to get a titus elim here? it doesn't appear to make sense.

[Cephrir]

48

Forty-eight is the double factorial of 6,^[1] a highly composite number.^[2] Like all other multiples of 6, it is a semiperfect number.^[3] 48 is the second 17-gonal number.^[4]

Vote Count 3.13

Bell

(6): Xtoxm, Hopkirk, Titus, mastina, Almost50, jjh927

mastina

(3): AGar, Bell, OkaPoka

Titus

(2): Cephrir, innocentvillager

jjh927

(1): Winter Flakes

Not Voting

(1): Ythan

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to eliminate. Deadline is set for 1:00 AM PST on March 9, in (expired on 2021-03-09 05:00:00).

do you think Mastina/Titus are every aligned here?

what's your Titus case look like?

(this post is directed at me)

intent to hammer i guess

why?
do you expect it to flip scum

you've been pushing Mastina with him the entire day

But you scumread Titus?

i don't townread her

VOTE: titus

still going to hammer bell when the timer expires i think

anyways gtg

I'm a little weirded out that you voted Titus right after I started implying that I thought it was weird you weren't voting titus, but scum you if aligned with Bell/Agar probably tries to switch

[confused screaming]

[Cephrir]

i'm 3/4 right on flipped town and 0/1 on flipped scum, my reads aren't shit
flipping the scum i'm not on doesn't mean i'm wrong on the others, the rest of my poe can be fine and i think it is

Ur reads are close to rand aka why are you locking the same solve and same poe when u have rand reads

okay

d1

hop says lld wagon core is all gucci

d2

after lld flips town, hop says lld wagon core is all gucci

d3

herc, part of the lld cuties has flipped scum, he says the lld wagon core is all gucci

i mean

is this a realistic thought process from town

double double down

so

i stand corrected

hopkirk appears to be... consistent in his townreads being independent from pushing lld with him

i will say his solve of me/agar appears to be derived from lld being scum

anyways that was exhausting

why hasn't hop claimed yet btw?

pedit: because his checks don't line up with a town alignment

i think this sequence is a reasonably strong point for hop town

[Cephrir]

where my head is at prior to isoing hop & titus

hopkirk:
+interactions with oka
+generally has been present and scumhunting all game
-claim is ridiculous
-some points made by agar, probably
-response to jjh investigating him and lack of snarky comments towards me for continually focusing on his role... maybe this is dumb but i feel like he does not want to talk about this any more than absolutely necessary
-if this is scum and i lose to a fake vanilla cop enabler, spiffeh will meme-suplex me off hell in a cell 18 ft through an announcer's table into the shadow realm, where i will live out the rest of my days wallowing in shame

titus:
+oka preferred to vote her over bell
-has not really been trying until today, and has not shown much town motivation through the game
-oka did not seem to care that much how bell vs titus turned out (and in fact kept trying to push mastina instead)

[Cephrir]

VOTE: titus

still going to hammer bell when the timer expires i think

anyways gtg

what the heck.

oka has been townreading titus and scumreading bell. why does he try to get a titus elim here? it doesn't appear to make sense.

the obvious answer to this is "because titus is town" and i'm not sure i have another

[Cephrir]

-claim is ridiculous

also, i meant to mention here that i think the last scum can't be a goon from a balance perspective

i could be wrong though

[Cephrir]

is it? how so?

also, i was still planning to elim someone today

so i can share the blame if we fuck it up

but i guess we don't have to.

[Cephrir]

if you or DV have any responses to any of my concerns you should probably share them before 9 hours from now one way or another

i wish we had elimed both of these instead of agar

[Cephrir]

the hop thing is somewhat self resolving isn't it?

asdfjkl;

[Cephrir]

hop/titus do your teams have any thoughts

most about the stuff i'm saying, i care about new points i might not have considered but i'm not really assessing your behavior today as alignment indicative since everyone is in the same boat of "if i'm elimed i lose"

[Cephrir]

114 is funny with IV's flip

i wonder if i'll produce a Page of Warthog or i'll keep getting combo breakered

[Cephrir]

LLD, why are you so focused on petty stuff and you overlook A50's TR on me?

Right now, my reads are based in wagonomics only for the most part minus a skim. I have been VLA most of the game.

Right now, my gut says the worst should be the lim but it is possible I am reading the gamestate wrong. I know my bias is to lim LLD because I am sure hercule is town but LLD's push doesn't feel in bad faith like the superbowl push from Tenet. I'll need to look at that in detail.

VOTE: the worst

So, my question is how do I fix LLD v DGB when LLD is largely checked out...

Hmm

VOTE: the worst

Mastina, help me bus worst.

i had more thoughts but i don't know if i feel like posting about them. end of dual iso pg 1.

[Cephrir]

'hop, if you get a role like weak loveriser again then just lie and pretend you didn't.'

i lol'd

[Cephrir]

eh, i clearly want to do this and i don't think i'm going to see enough to reverse course even if i finish. ready for this to be over.

VOTE: titus

[Cephrir]

i hope spiffeh is watching and readying his meme cannons.

[Cephrir]

it probably would've been funnier if i waited for the lolhammer and pretended to claim scum. damn.

[Cephrir]

ah, now i feel bad for finding he who must not be named funny

i'll credit it to your presentation

[Cephrir]

you have moments

i was probably mad at you at the time too

[Cephrir]

In the end, I ended up having fun this game. WP. Still mad about the terrible LLD elim & sorry I couldn't save you agar.

[Cephrir]

don't stop coming

They did stop coming. He was elimmed.

In the middle of my blood ritual, I received a vision, not from Cthulhu, oh great green Cthulhu, but from another.

In my visions there was a short man, I think he had to be nobility but he did have a strange name, fuckwad I believe? Nevertheless a short man who showed me a world of the green Cthulhu. The fields of grass were consumed by an ethereal swampy mist, truly vomit-inducing. And though I had hated the world at one time, an old warthog and strange time travelling doctor had ironically showed me the goodness of this god given earth. They may have been recent converts to the cult of the green Cthulhu, but in their conversion I realized that the world was not so deserving of such a terrible fate. Finally, I realized my eyes had been clouded by the call of Cthulhu and I had immediately put an end to my ritual.

But unfortunately, what has been done cannot be undone. The call of my green monstrous overlord has been heard, and it has been awaken from its eternal slumber. Cultists from around the world have been summoned to finish the ritual, and they lie in the shadows among us. I must call on my new allies and friends to put an end, an end to the final cries of the green Cthulhu cultists. They serve a singular purpose, to make sure that Cthulhu becomes love, Cthulhu becomes life, and that is something we simply cannot let happen.

ur excellent btw

[Cephrir]

...no one?????