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Post Post #5219 (isolation #200) » Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:44 am

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I struggle based on the votes Ceph to see a world where you and IV are both town.

Agar's still my most likely scum but I just can't see you both as town.
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Post Post #5235 (isolation #201) » Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:20 pm

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In post 5226, Bell wrote:Can someone answer me about who's actually talking to their teammates and who isn't. Lilith is bugging me to get off of Mastina and do a compromise wagon. Which I do believe has never led to a mafia elimination in any game of mafia I've ever played.
Mine are largely silent.
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Post Post #5257 (isolation #202) » Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:46 am

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VOTE: Bell
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Post Post #5276 (isolation #203) » Fri Mar 05, 2021 10:43 am

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In post 5275, Almost50 wrote:@IV: Ah. OK. I think Titus is Town here, but the read is getting weaker and weaker due to her continuous unavailability.

Also, her reluctance to use a fully-fledged VCA despite the fact we did have a red flip already is creeping into my soul
What are you talking about my continuous unavailability. I'll be VLA this weekend but likely still posting some.

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Post Post #5279 (isolation #204) » Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:10 am

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*shrug*

I'll try to clarify my VCA notes later today. Depression sucks terribly.
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Post Post #5322 (isolation #205) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 5:47 am

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Quick, answer me this, who is scum on the Bell wagon? Answer: No one.
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Post Post #5324 (isolation #206) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:03 am

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In post 5323, jjh927 wrote:I've fallen for that one once already this game
When?
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Post Post #5333 (isolation #207) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:33 pm

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In post 5329, Bell wrote:I don't think Titus's sudden change in play can be written off or ignored. I'm pretty sure she will respond to pressure and is not as unavailable as she is making herself out to be. Her recent positions have been rather contradictory. She seems happy as long as she's not the wagon really.

That's very offensive. I am trying my best here and to accuse me about lying about IRL to get an in game advantage is insane.

I'm a VT too. I'm not sure when I'll get to that VCA. If I get flipped for that so be in.

I think IV, Bell, Agar, Oka contains the scums. If I am wrong on IV, it's Ceph. Never the two together.
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Post Post #5395 (isolation #208) » Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:58 am

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I feel like this game is largely PoEd.

The first 5 voters on Bell are all town. If Bell is scum, they refused to bus. If Bell is town, they sat on their hands, hoping town turns on each other.

I won't be able to do a VCA by deadline but it would be fair to expect it tomorrow if I am not vigged.
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Post Post #5408 (isolation #209) » Mon Mar 08, 2021 4:59 pm

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Agar is scumposting. He avoids the thread but shows up at the last second to tie the wagons against his biggest detractor.
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Post Post #5459 (isolation #210) » Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:11 am

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VOTE: Agar

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Post Post #5462 (isolation #211) » Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:27 am

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Willing to vote Oka based on the skim as well. I feel stronger about Agar.
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Post Post #5468 (isolation #212) » Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:48 am

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So if I get it right Oka claimed VT, and jjh said not a vt?
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Post Post #5491 (isolation #213) » Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:56 am

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VOTE: Oka

Sheeping the townblock until I have time to do VCA on Sunday.
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Post Post #5492 (isolation #214) » Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:57 am

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In post 5488, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 5487, Cephrir wrote:
In post 5485, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 5479, Cephrir wrote:im starting to wonder how this setup is balanced
which direction?
it seems townsided, it feels like we have a lot of stuff
now that you mention it i think that's partly why gypyx is okay killing today in {oka, hopkirk} lol

Can we remind me of the claims?
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Post Post #5665 (isolation #215) » Sat Mar 13, 2021 6:59 am

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VLA this weekend. Birthday weekend.
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Post Post #5697 (isolation #216) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:04 am

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After skimming the VCs, I'm ok with an Agar vote. I have one minor reservation but everything else fits. My other choice is Winter Flakes.
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Post Post #5698 (isolation #217) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:05 am

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VOTE: Agar
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Post Post #5701 (isolation #218) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:34 am

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Why should we yeet Hopkirk tomorrow?
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Post Post #5703 (isolation #219) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:54 am

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How am I not playing the game when I am actively engaging you and giving out theories?
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Post Post #5705 (isolation #220) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:24 am

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UNVOTE: Agar

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Post Post #5721 (isolation #221) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:40 am

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Question: Who is the vig? I get if you don't feel comfortable claiming, but one more townfirm would be useful.
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Post Post #5724 (isolation #222) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:16 am

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In post 5722, Ythan wrote:Are you talking about two deaths last night?
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Post Post #5726 (isolation #223) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:33 am

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That makes sense.
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Post Post #5728 (isolation #224) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:56 am

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My PoE is Agar, Winter Flakes and Cephrir. In that order.
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Post Post #5733 (isolation #225) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:42 am

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What is your Winter Flakes read based off of if not the assumption that his vote onto me was bad?
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Post Post #5744 (isolation #226) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:23 am

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Scum or IV
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Post Post #5745 (isolation #227) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:23 am

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Scratch IV.
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Post Post #5746 (isolation #228) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:24 am

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In post 5737, AGar wrote:
In post 5732, Cephrir wrote:is there anyone here who isn't operating under the delusion mafia is a math problem or is it just me
I don't think it's a math problem but I mean if I wasn't me I'd be pushing hard for my yeet based off of that behavior so *shrug*
Winter Flakes matches your behavior too though.

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Post Post #5748 (isolation #229) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:58 am

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The way I see it, it's you, WF or Cephrir.

That scum tried to turn the wagon towards me at the end or couldn't because they were already on it.
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Post Post #5766 (isolation #230) » Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:54 am

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VOTE: Agar
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Post Post #5784 (isolation #231) » Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:01 am

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I need to redo my VCA but it's 4 am and I am real behind on mafia. Sleep, work, then catchup.
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Post Post #5821 (isolation #232) » Tue Mar 23, 2021 12:18 pm

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Ugh does anyone here want me to reread with the new knowledge besides Cephrir? I am running on so little calm right now it's insane.
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Post Post #5836 (isolation #233) » Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:19 pm

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Kinda feels like WF is taking advantage of my Ceph paranoia.
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Post Post #5846 (isolation #234) » Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:50 am

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Post Post #5853 (isolation #235) » Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:14 am

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In post 5850, mastina wrote:
In post 5830, Hopkirk wrote:@Mastina - is Ythan mech!conf-town in a way i'm forgetting about or did you mean a strong townread?
He hammered scum when the wagons were dead even between Titus and Bell.

If Titus is scum, then by virtue of there being one scum left, Ythan cannot be scum.

If Titus isn't scum, then by virtue of hammering scum rather than town, Ythan will not be scum.

In either case, Ythan is basically conftown. Not by a mechanical result but by a play result.
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Post Post #5864 (isolation #236) » Mon Mar 29, 2021 12:25 pm

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I think Hopkirk and I are in the same place, including how we feel on each other.
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Post Post #5866 (isolation #237) » Mon Mar 29, 2021 12:57 pm

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I still need to do my VCA. Tonight.
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Post Post #5878 (isolation #238) » Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:55 pm

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I sense amazing saltiness factor from Cephrir but it feels like legit salt while WF doesn't.
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Post Post #5885 (isolation #239) » Thu Apr 01, 2021 4:39 am

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VOTE: WF
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Post Post #5887 (isolation #240) » Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:54 am

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In post 5886, Ythan wrote:I feel like wf is fine but I'm gonna hold off for rn in case I have time to do some looking.
This is fair. Although the game is slow, whenever we have time, we should put it forward.
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Post Post #5890 (isolation #241) » Fri Apr 02, 2021 4:48 am

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In post 5888, mastina wrote:
In post 5871, Cephrir wrote:It's kind of insulting to be rated lower than titus' empty iso because loludidntvoteforbell.
Fair, which is why if it's not Winter Flakes and if I live to see tomorrow I would need to reassess because the last scum is probably a PR meaning that there IS the chance that Bell v Titus as SGoon v SPR, but I stick to preferring to cross that bridge IF we come to it. :P
I get reviewing me if WF isn't scum. I get complaining about my ISO today, but claiming my ISO is blank when I pushed every flipped scum in the game is just wrong.

I really just feel it is WF or Cephrir and the last scum is trying to secure my miselimination and then flip the other or vice versa.
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Post Post #5897 (isolation #242) » Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:44 am

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Second the extension request
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Post Post #5900 (isolation #243) » Sun Apr 04, 2021 1:46 pm

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I'm glad we got that extension because I don't see Ythan or Hopkirk.
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Post Post #5906 (isolation #244) » Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:23 am

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That post makes me lean back towards Cephrir but I want to sheep mastina since my reads have been garbage but mastina did lead on LLD so I'm just back to needing to effort. Hopefully I find the spoons because of the number of people counting on me.
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Post Post #5910 (isolation #245) » Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:19 am

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That game as a whole had much more life and effort. If you compare the end of the game to here, both had little activity, scum AtE and scum trying to put me in the scumpool. My activity level dropped.

I was active earlier in WH13 when it was active. My energies went to the faster threads because there was more there, just like the early days here.

To argue that I gave more energy in WH13 is disingenuous. I gave both approximately the same amount of effort.
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Post Post #5915 (isolation #246) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:13 am

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The truth is I don't know WF. I feel like there's no one here to talk to so I'm just left alone with my gut instincts which change all the time. I'm also lacking confidence due to my recent record. I feel it should be one of the two of you just based on how yesterday played out. I'd just like it if someone other than the two of you engaged me at all so I could get some certain town feedback.
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Post Post #5918 (isolation #247) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:40 am

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I am hoping, someone, anyone town engages what I said. Plus, it was the holiday.

The game has felt dead but for me, Cephrir and WF.
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Post Post #5919 (isolation #248) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:45 am

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I've been the bad reader in both my past two games. I'd rather not fuck this one up too.
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Post Post #5922 (isolation #249) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 5:50 am

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So? Are you claiming Hopkirk knew the setup and that's why he claimed and crumbed what he did?
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Post Post #5926 (isolation #250) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:35 am

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Wouldn't the simpler solution just be a rolecop?
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Post Post #5929 (isolation #251) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:50 am

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Which was the first crumb again?
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Post Post #5931 (isolation #252) » Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:08 am

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So that eliminates the rolecop theory. Hopkirk is likely realclaiming.
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Post Post #5938 (isolation #253) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:41 am

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Ythan, as the consensus town, you should put all your thoughts into the thread.
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Post Post #5942 (isolation #254) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:29 am

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In post 5940, Cephrir wrote:I don't think we NL here. Even if ythan lived I don't think I would ever vote him so there's really no point.
Well, NL forces scum to make the consensus kill.

Then again, I say this and refused to vote the scum in the end that didn't make the consensus kill so...
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Post Post #5944 (isolation #255) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:42 am

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We aren't disagreeing in saying we should talk and at least hear Ythan out.
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Post Post #5950 (isolation #256) » Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:36 am

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I might have to reread this game Sunday. I really loathe the idea of a reread but I really want to win this.
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Post Post #5959 (isolation #257) » Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:17 am

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In post 5953, Hopkirk wrote:oh yeah all this dumb stuff happened and i'd call it really sus if multiple people also pushing it hadn't already flipped town...
i still don't get the perspective that you're arguing here? it's also hard to judge objectively... hey @Ythan?
I know Ythan is your flag, but I am marking this for Sunday
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Post Post #5960 (isolation #258) » Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:19 am

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In post 5955, Hopkirk wrote:i was also told Bell is an easy read by Hectic and (by the end of p2) your progression on him feels weird in terms of sussing him the entire time then pushing the Titus wagon instead of the Bell wagon when they were dueling later and i'm really confused
Bell also seems missing from his readwall unless I am blind.
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Post Post #5961 (isolation #259) » Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:20 am

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His readwall violates the rule of 3 though.
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Post Post #5962 (isolation #260) » Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:24 am

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@hopkirk, you spend a lot of time propping up hercule early. Why?
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Post Post #5963 (isolation #261) » Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:25 am

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My team has come back to life a bit, and they have issue with your vote history d1.
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Post Post #5966 (isolation #262) » Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:29 am

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Cephrir looks 1000% better by the votes so him encouraging me to look elsewhere is actually a good look for him. Scum!him likely would have played up the fact he looked better at least on day one rather than bitching about me saying the votes tell the story.
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Post Post #5967 (isolation #263) » Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:33 am

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In post 2940, Dannflor wrote:
In post 2934, Titus wrote:
In post 2931, Dannflor wrote:
In post 2906, Titus wrote:My read on Bell is improving.
Also, where did this come from

Because I can't think it came from Bell directly
It did. Scum!Bell doesn't try at all here. No need for him to.
Okay, but what points to Bell trying here?

I was severely unimpressed by his catchup posts that even included team reads. And then he made an excuse for "all replacements are gonna be scummy."
If I had to vote right now, I'd be ok with that but I'm still wanting to do stuff Sunday.
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Post Post #5968 (isolation #264) » Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:34 am

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Sorry, I was looking at why Dann dies over Cephrir given Cephrir day 1 reads and I wanted to make sure it made sense.
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Post Post #5970 (isolation #265) » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:21 pm

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Murdercat thinks that Cephrir is too good to be true and is distancing.
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Post Post #5971 (isolation #266) » Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:23 pm

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Murdercat wants to still look at claims, tone, etc.
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Post Post #5973 (isolation #267) » Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:34 am

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Ythan, cmon man.
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Post Post #6000 (isolation #268) » Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:49 pm

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In post 5974, Hopkirk wrote:
In post 5962, Titus wrote:@hopkirk, you spend a lot of time propping up hercule early. Why?
i'm a sucker for really overt self meta. i've definitely brought this up before. i pretty much locktowned him this post 15 posts into the game and never looked back because it felt like something that doesn't come from scum EVER. factored into my push on LLD somewhat. i don't plan to rely on the tell again
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In post 5966, Titus wrote:Cephrir looks 1000% better by the votes so him encouraging me to look elsewhere is actually a good look for him. Scum!him likely would have played up the fact he looked better at least on day one rather than bitching about me saying the votes tell the story.
have you done the VCA? i'm assuming you have from this and i don't really get it
I've eyeballed it, but not colored it and done it properly.

I rely on the colors to prevent any derp moments like forgetting Bell and TW were the same slot.
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Post Post #6001 (isolation #269) » Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:54 pm

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In post 5981, Hopkirk wrote:In post 5913, Cephrir wrote:
what scum ATE has been happening in this game what are you even talking about.


i don't think you ever answered this @Titus and i don't remember this (unless you mean Oka siding with Agar when a bunch of people were pulling toxic shitpushes on me where they were saying 'Hop is either scum or a shitty person' or something)
I think I was just feeling frustrated from Warehouse 13 and Nancy Drew v Titus. I don't believe any flipped scum engaged in it.

Any argument about you two doing it would be circular.

You toxic flailed. Therefore, you're scum.
Why is the flail toxic? Because you're scum, repeat.

So it's a bad argument.
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Post Post #6002 (isolation #270) » Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:55 pm

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In post 5988, Cephrir wrote:flopz has a point. i am also a bad person who watches dubs. if the dub is bad, i just... don't watch the show

my gut has ythan as more likely scum than you right now. that probably isn't great lol.
Ythan as more likely scum than Hopkirk? Really? How do you get that?
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Post Post #6003 (isolation #271) » Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:56 pm

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In post 5995, Hopkirk wrote:where was Titus not knowing who Bell replaced?
It's a common mistake I make. That's why I color and replace my VCs.
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Post Post #6019 (isolation #272) » Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:26 am

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Sorry I was prodded. I am alive, just quiet.

I really don't get the emphasis on sorting Ythan. Fmpov, he was sorted when he hammered Bell.
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Post Post #6021 (isolation #273) » Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:52 am

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In post 6020, Hopkirk wrote:What empesis?
Any at all. Ythan would only be scum if I was scum, and that's too many scum. Plus, Ythan was townie prehammer.
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Post Post #6026 (isolation #274) » Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:58 am

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In post 6022, Ythan wrote:Deas requests a summary of where each of you is at and why, including pointing to a previous post where you've already done so that still holds.
I'm pretty sure your slot is town. Due to the hammer vote.

I'm leaning Hopkirk town based on tone and his vote being on Bell yesterday.

Cephrir is flailing imo. His comments to me about reading rather than relying purely on VCA and he'd hate to lose because scum never bus are AI and tone but I go back and forth on whether it's frustrated town or scum.

The thing is, I don't think scum bus there. But there is the fact that Cephrir voted scum frequently early while Hopkirk never did. My teammate says that's to good to be true. I can see Hopkirk being the townbeard. I can also see Hopkirk being resigned scum.

Gtmh it's Cephrir.
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Post Post #6030 (isolation #275) » Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:52 am

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In post 2769, implosion wrote:
22In both American football and association football, a total of 22 players (counting both teams) start the game, and this is also the maximum number of players that can be legally involved in play at any given time.


Vote Count 1.22
Lady Lambdadelta
(6): DrippingGoofball, Xtoxm, mastina, Hopkirk, Ythan, jjh927
DrippingGoofball
(6): Dunnstral, Cephrir, OkaPoka, Dannflor, Lady Lambdadelta, innocentvillager
Ythan
(4): Luca Blight, Titus, AGar, Bell
Bell
(1): Winter Flakes
OkaPoka
(1): Almost50

Not Voting
(0):

With 18 alive, it takes 10 votes to eliminate. Deadline is set for 11:00 AM PST on February 12, in (expired on 2021-02-12 15:00:00).
This VC should clear Ythan in addition to hammering me. There's no reason for Bell to be on Ythan with the other two major wagons.
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Post Post #6031 (isolation #276) » Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:01 am

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Here's the issue I have with Cephrir scum. His ISO looking at context plus votes.

He voted hercule in the 7th slot. Before that, he naked voted the worst. He moved his vote then to Hopkirk. That would make his opening three for three on scum.

If Hopkirk is town, Cephrir naked voted a buddy and then voted a buddy who was wagoned only to kill the wagon by shifting his vote to town.

I'm leaning Hopkirk again.
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Post Post #6032 (isolation #277) » Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:04 am

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13Strikingly folkloric aspects of the number 13 have been noted in various cultures around the world: one theory is that this is due to the cultures employing lunar-solar calendars (there are approximately 12.41 lunations per solar year, and hence 12 "true months" plus a smaller, and often portentous, thirteenth month). This can be witnessed, for example, in the "Twelve Days of Christmas" of Western European tradition.[1]


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Lady Lambdadelta
(6): DrippingGoofball, Xtoxm, mastina, Ythan, hercule, Hopkirk
DrippingGoofball
(5): OkaPoka, Dunnstral, Dannflor, Cephrir, the worst
the worst
(2): jjh927, Winter Flakes
Hopkirk
(2): Almost50, AGar
Dunnstral
(1): innocentvillager
innocentvillager
(1): Titus
Xtoxm
(1): Lady Lambdadelta

Not Voting
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I doubt scum double move to create a DGB counter when LLD is already being punished for starting a hercule wagon. It feels more like scum forcing T v T wagons.
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Post Post #6033 (isolation #278) » Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:11 am

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31The numbers 31, 331, 3331, 33331, 333331, 3333331, and 33333331 are all prime. For a time it was thought that every number of the form 3w1 would be prime. However, the next nine numbers of the sequence are composite; their factorisations are:

333333331 = 17 × 19607843
3333333331 = 673 × 4952947
33333333331 = 307 × 108577633
333333333331 = 19 × 83 × 211371803
3333333333331 = 523 × 3049 × 2090353
33333333333331 = 607 × 1511 × 1997 × 18199
333333333333331 = 181 × 1841620626151
3333333333333331 = 199 × 16750418760469 and
33333333333333331 = 31 × 1499 × 717324094199.


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Luca Blight
(3): Bell, Winter Flakes, Cephrir
Ythan
(2): Almost50, Titus
Almost50
(2): Xtoxm, AGar
Bell
(2): Luca Blight, mastina
Titus
(1): innocentvillager
AGar
(1): Hopkirk

Not Voting
(4): jjh927, Dunnstral, Ythan, OkaPoka

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32The number of teeth of a full set of teeth in an adult human, including wisdom teeth
The size of a databus in bits: 32-bit
The size, in bits, of certain integer data types, used in computer representations of numbers
IPv4 uses 32-bit (4-byte) addresses


Vote Count 2.7
Bell
(3): Luca Blight, mastina, Cephrir
Almost50
(3): Xtoxm, AGar, Ythan
Luca Blight
(2): Bell, Winter Flakes
Ythan
(1): Titus
Titus
(1): innocentvillager
OkaPoka
(1): Hopkirk

Not Voting
(4): jjh927, Dunnstral, OkaPoka, Almost50

With 15 alive, it takes 8 votes to eliminate. Deadline is set for 11:00 AM PST on February 28, in (expired on 2021-02-28 15:00:00).
Cephrir hopping between the two scum wagons would damn near be planned deep wolf, but then why would he vote me over Bell?
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Post Post #6034 (isolation #279) » Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:15 am

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In post 5196, implosion wrote:
4444 (forty-four) is the natural number following 43 and preceding 45.


Vote Count 3.9 (UNCHANGED)
AGar
(3): Hopkirk, Titus, mastina
mastina
(3): OkaPoka, AGar, Bell
Titus
(2): Cephrir, innocentvillager
OkaPoka
(1): Almost50
Winter Flakes
(1): jjh927
jjh927
(1): Winter Flakes

Not Voting
(2): Ythan, Xtoxm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to eliminate. Deadline is set for 1:00 AM PST on March 9, in (expired on 2021-03-09 05:00:00).
In post 5256, implosion wrote:
45The maximum mark an International Baccalaureate student can obtain.
In years of marriage, the sapphire wedding anniversary.


Vote Count 3.10
mastina
(3): OkaPoka, AGar, Bell
AGar
(2): Titus, mastina
Titus
(2): Cephrir, innocentvillager
Bell
(2): Xtoxm, Hopkirk
OkaPoka
(1): Almost50
Winter Flakes
(1): jjh927
jjh927
(1): Winter Flakes


Not Voting
(1): Ythan

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to eliminate. Deadline is set for 1:00 AM PST on March 9, in (expired on 2021-03-09 05:00:00).
Why does scum!Hopkirk vote Bell here and effectively give that wagon momentum when there's other wagons? Time for context.
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Post Post #6035 (isolation #280) » Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:22 am

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I'll need more mental energy to see whether Bell v Hopkirk is fake.

Cephrir did push me as scum before the Bell wagon really took so *shrug*
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Post Post #6037 (isolation #281) » Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:22 pm

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VOTE: Hopkirk

Cephrir, care to join me until Ythan posts so we confirm him as town?
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Post Post #6044 (isolation #282) » Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:54 pm

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Ceph, what's the problem?
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Post Post #6047 (isolation #283) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:08 am

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VOTE: Cephrir

Alright Hopkirk, your turn.
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Post Post #6048 (isolation #284) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:37 am

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In post 6045, Cephrir wrote:idk I'm planning to treat Ythan as confirmed town anyway so why tempt fate with the 0.000001% chance you could be a secret double voter.
I'm going to play this game as if it's a normal. If we confirm Ythan as town, then we can repeat the procedure with one of the three of us that Ythan picks as town.

That forces scum into a 50/50 and gets Ythan's opinion listened to.

If we don't go through with that, scum can just kill Ythan and play passively.

Of course, if Ythan's wrong, we get screwed but there's only a 33% chance of that happening.

I like a 66% odds going into a 50/50 rather than a 33% chance tmo. One of those is controlled by town and the other is controlled by scum.
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Post Post #6049 (isolation #285) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:56 am

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Even then you could argue tmo's odds are 25%, because both town must guess right in a 50/50.

With my plan, we get a 33% chance at winning, which is the 66 percent from Ythan guessing right followed by only townie guessing right in the 50/50.

I think it's a dramatically superior plan. For the townie Ythan doesn't pick, the game is solved for them.
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Post Post #6051 (isolation #286) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:49 am

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We can clear two players as town, which improves our odds. I literally just laid it out. It goes from 25% to 33%. If Hopkirk guesses right, our odds go up to 50%. I'd take 50% over 25% any day.
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Post Post #6053 (isolation #287) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:18 am

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Yeah, my path is the right one. With both possible scum objecting, it's pretty obvious I am right.

If Cephrir votes me, we confirm Ythan, then Ythan can say who is town.

We can still do the plan even if both scum suspects vote me.

This is a problem for tomorrow though.
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Post Post #6054 (isolation #288) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:21 am

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Also, I see zero reasons scum vote first here.
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Post Post #6056 (isolation #289) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:05 am

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In post 6055, Hopkirk wrote:Really? You can't see why scum would EVER vote first in a 3p lylo?

Or are you saying 'here' to mean a 4p lylo when I've explicitly said 3p and linked a long explanation on why.
I mean in this game in 3p lylo, I don't see why scum would vote first given the hesitation. I can't rule it out but unless scum felt confident that town would mishammer. I don't see that happening here with both of you public waffling.
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Post Post #6066 (isolation #290) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:07 am

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Not anymore, but yes if one of you voted each other I would have greater weight to that slot being town.

Most everyone has shown hesitation on which of the other remaining two are scum. That's what I mean by waffling. So why would scum make the game a 50/50 and instead wait for town to hopefully make a mistake? That would give them 75% odds of winning as opposed to 50% supposing we don't follow my plan.

Now that we've mentioned it though, it's a bit more wifomy.
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Post Post #6068 (isolation #291) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:56 am

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Sorry to whatever model you quoted but appeal to authority is a fallacy.

The "model" makes assumptions that just don't exist with the gamestate the way it is or was.

I am thinking you just need a reason to scumread me here. Disagreeing is one thing but breaking the game in town's favor is a net positive.

I am looking for some type of tiebreaker between the two of you. Right now I am leaning Cephrir's reaction was better but not by much.

We'll see who Ythan wants to confirm as town next or whether he shoots down my plan entirely.
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Post Post #6071 (isolation #292) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:54 am

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You keep referring to this narrative that I am doing nothing while ignoring the things I do present and not helping me to resolve the conflicts I am presenting.

Your day 1 was utterly horrible in terms of voting scum. I mentioned this several times and highlight this multiple times where I can't distinguish whether you're the townbeard or scum. You do vote scum some later days, but it is largely not influential until arguably your vote on Bell. I'm struggling to interpret whether or not your conversation with Bell was fake or not. You could enage me there.

I've mentioned MURDERCAT's read on the vote pattern being the opposite to mine. I've mentioned the tonal posts that I feel are AI from Cephrir. You could totally comment and give your opinion on those as well.

I've laid out my reasons and my conflicts, yet you persist in saying I am doing nothing. It doesn't feel like it comes from a place of good faith at all.

I've literally been begging either of you to engage my thoughts on the other to help me and get crickets.

Btw, Cephrir. I told you that I have been in conflict with the flipped scum. You said you would check but I haven't seen your results.
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Post Post #6074 (isolation #293) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:13 pm

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In post 5750, Cephrir wrote:i can't wait to lose this game when titus yeets my obvtown ass in elo because bussing isn't possible.
In post 5789, Cephrir wrote:
In post 5784, Titus wrote:I need to redo my VCA but it's 4 am and I am real behind on mafia. Sleep, work, then catchup.
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Posts like these are the ones I am talking about with Cephrir's tone.
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Post Post #6076 (isolation #294) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:21 pm

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In post 6073, Hopkirk wrote:what are you begging me to interactive with because if you point out what you've posted you wanted me to interact with then i will, but i don't see it?
Anything. Engage with my thinking out loud. Give me something to read you by. Engaging with my thoughts is how I read people besides VCA.

Engage whether you think Cephrir is frustrated town or scum. Cephrir is going to just say he's town.

I want Cephrir to engage on your Bell interaction.

I am drifting here, pulling bits and pieces.

I have you, who doesn't interact with anything I post but objecting to gamebreaking.

I have Cephrir who refuses to vote you (possible scum) but is willing to vote me to get Ythan as town. Yet he seems frustrated but compliant. That's gun to my head town reaction.
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Post Post #6077 (isolation #295) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:23 pm

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In post 6026, Titus wrote:Cephrir is flailing imo. His comments to me about reading rather than relying purely on VCA and he'd hate to lose because scum never bus are AI and tone but I go back and forth on whether it's frustrated town or scum.
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Post Post #6080 (isolation #296) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:33 pm

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In post 6079, Hopkirk wrote:i didn't get a sense of ceph flailing or i'd have commented on it. can you be more explicit about what bits you didn't like?
Flailing =/= don't like. It's an emotion that feels desperate/frustrated. Both town and scum can be desperate.

Those posts indicate genuine emotion. I have trouble sorting intent behind emotion.
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Post Post #6081 (isolation #297) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:36 pm

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In post 6078, Hopkirk wrote:i went through all of Ceph's iso and posted all my thoughts and a lot of points where i wanted a second opinion and you didn't engage with any of it.
If I felt you wanted a second opinion, I would have commented. I felt you were trying to either sort or shade Cephrir. Interrupting would not serve a purpose. I was hoping you'd give some sort of concrete opinion I could read you with. The whole thing felt confusing though, so I kept telling myself I would read later but I put it off.
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Post Post #6082 (isolation #298) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:36 pm

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Can you give me a second opinion on Cephrir's frustration and why?
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Post Post #6083 (isolation #299) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:37 pm

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Can you tell me, what specifically, you want a second opinion on?
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Post Post #6089 (isolation #300) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:46 pm

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In post 6084, Hopkirk wrote:can you quote what triggered your interest, because i don't really see flailing

In post 5870, Cephrir wrote:
In post 5868, Winter Flakes wrote:is that *sniff sniff*

fake frustration i smell

just kidding my sense of smell is terrible

unless... *eye emojis toward ceph*
I would clearly be genuinely frustrated here regardless of my alignment.
In post 5872, Cephrir wrote:like ive been out here spilling my emotions and working my butt off and i'm not really keen on losing to someone who did jack shit fuck all because there happened to be competing scum wagons or smth.
In post 5939, Cephrir wrote:It's time for everyone's favorite game show, pin the tail on the warthog
there's some posts that felt a little tonally frustrated but i usually either can't read/townread emotion & i'm not entirely sure what you're seeing?
We can disagree on the term flailing, since we both can't read emotion. We both see he's frustrated. Gtmh it's townie. I'd like you to take a guess at it, even if you don't stand by it.
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Post Post #6090 (isolation #301) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:51 pm

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In post 6086, Hopkirk wrote:in the first post for example, stuff like this was all stuff where discussion (outside of hectic) would be useful?

-'would probably expect scum!ceph to have an opinion on Herc here? Oka & TheWorst are voting Hercule at this point so i'd probably expect other scum to be voting against the Herc wagon rather than being 'not sure'? with Ceph later on starting to push Herc somewhat then it could be a 100% bus i guess, but idk how i feel about that'

-'i still don't get the perspective that you're arguing here? it's also hard to judge objectively... hey @Ythan?'

-'i feel like i should have thoughts here but i have no idea how to read your interactions surrounding herc given two scum were pushing it
you feel kind of off given you had herc at the bottom 3 of your reads lists followed by votes on me/DGB instead of flipping to herc'
I'll take a look at this later.
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Post Post #6091 (isolation #302) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:00 pm

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In post 6088, Cephrir wrote:
In post 6071, Titus wrote:Btw, Cephrir. I told you that I have been in conflict with the flipped scum. You said you would check but I haven't seen your results.
I haven't done anything yet. Still planning to. Was kind of hoping ythan would help me out by taking a stance tho.
I've been hoping Ythan would take a stance as well. His input on the patterns I observed would be helpful.

Do you think Hopkirk's D1 can ever come from town? He defended hercule, never voted any of the scum when they were serious wagons. You could argue Bell, but I debate whether that argument was fake and accidently started the wagon or whether it was legit. I attempted to cross reference their ISOs but found with the subs it was difficult.

There was an early request for a sheep, which I felt was odd given the lack of communication.
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Post Post #6093 (isolation #303) » Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:53 pm

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Forgive me, I should have said probable not possible. Anything is possible.
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Post Post #6098 (isolation #304) » Mon Apr 19, 2021 3:31 am

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I'm still voting. I'll clarify my concerns tonight.
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Post Post #6102 (isolation #305) » Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:19 pm

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I'll try to get to this tomorrow night.

Also, hoping Cephrir follows up on the stuff he promised.
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Post Post #6112 (isolation #306) » Thu Apr 22, 2021 6:15 am

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It's pretty much Hopkirk I think but I've well given up.

Cephrir's got a personal vendetta that blocks him from looking at the data or accepting my methods and efforts as valid.

This has been a loss for awhile and it's demotivating.
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Post Post #6233 (isolation #307) » Tue Apr 27, 2021 4:12 am

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Cephrir, tell me who had the vendetta here? #salty
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