electoral college mafia (now its done watch it go)

[Enchant]

Hello there.

Can you explain what happened in one post, so i don't need read 90 pages?

[Enchant]

Ok, i try catch up.

[Enchant]

So now we have 4 confirmed towns.

Walk me through this?

mastina conftown
math conftown
me conftown
tris conftown

I see.

Mastina confirmed by Tracker.
Math is this Tracker.
You are checked by Cop.
And finally, tris is this Cop.


I first time play in normal setup, but how you know how many mafia members here? I can't find.
Aren't it's possible for mafia get these roles? Aren't it's possible for mafia being Tracker, and Cop is somewhat skeptical claim, especially with just one townie check. Mafia knows who is mafia, of course.

I don't want say it's impossible, but by what they are confirmed?

[Enchant]

Yes it is possible that mafia are lying.
In Mastina’s case it requires another person to be scum. And I think it’s better I don’t say more than that right now unless you really want me to risk saying some things that imho should not be said first and are best sent via the Greek Gods of moonlogic. I think if you’re town you’ll get what I am alluding to here.

Honestly, don't understand. But if you think hiding it is worth it, then fine.

She claimed town role, which could be only Town. Why Rolecop claim didn't check it though.

[Enchant]

Perhaps.

We are massclaiming? If no, i want hold my role for a bit.

[Enchant]

Perhaps.

We are massclaiming? If no, i want hold my role for a bit.

Not yet.

But the answer is always yes to that question.
You’re always either a VT or Town Power Role if you’re town lol.

Your answers are really odd maybe foreign. Do you come from another site maybe?

I am trying to figure out why your play is so weird.

Why ask this question then.

English is not my native language, probably that's issue. Yes, i have expireince in mafia, but didn't play on forums before come to this site.

[Enchant]

I can’t explain without saying something antitown but let’s go with that.

Another Face to Face player nice

What Face to Face means?

[Enchant]

I can’t explain without saying something antitown but let’s go with that.

Another Face to Face player nice

What Face to Face means?

It means playing in person.

Still not getting. Is there's someone who not playing personally?

[Enchant]

It means instead of using a forum you meet in the real world and play mafia.

Probably you understand it wrong. I didn't played "Forum" mafia before this site, i played other games. Town of Salem and such.

Played mafia IRL only 2-3 times as remember.

[Enchant]

Thanks. Actually great place. But let's back to work.

Where info about amount of mafia come from? Everyone assume there's 4 of them. I just really not sure, why there's not more? 4 mafia on 15 townies looking unbalanced for me, especially if Cop claim is truth.

[Enchant]

Thanks, missed it.

So, i'm not perfectly sure, how we find which claims are real and which are fake, because mafia could get these roles too. I read for a bit and we have:

Two trackers.
One Cop with Mails.
One "Townie role".
One Rolecop.
One Dayvig.
One Alien with mails.

Did i miss something?

[Enchant]

Oh. 2-shot tracker. Not two. I messed these things in my head when read.

About dayvig is this:

i don't belive she doesn't read her role PM, and i doubt anyone else does

o.o
That was still not an obvious fakeclaim

Dayvig: Gypyx

Now i understand this as joke. Fine then.

[Enchant]

Because you think mozamus incompetent or because you think she is mafia, or for some other reason?

Also, taking nap for night. Try read all game tomorrow.

[Enchant]

Where is everyone o.o

I am here.

What you did 1n? Unless that's secret of course.

[Enchant]

have heard from lendunistus that they are not able to access the site - we had domain issues last night / this morning which have taken certain locations longer to resolve

I have same problem from time to time.

[Enchant]

Wait, one day already?

I suggesting forcing claim from Bug already, because changing targets on last moment will probably end horrible.

[Enchant]

Enchant, do you have reasons to believe Vaxkiller is town?

I dunno.

Checked his ISO, looks like standart lurker with many nonsense posts, they are hard to tell. I know they are also primary target for accuse of mafia, when they feel endangered.

I feel skeptical about Rolecop, who doesh't check "I am townie role i promise" claim first, because that's obvious check for townie, but not for mafia, who want to get as many info about others, as possible.

[Enchant]

Do you think that Vax is intentionally posting nonsense, or is trying to post legitimate content?

Who made the "I am townie role I promise" claim that the rolecop should have checked?

Mastina of course. Right now, i checking roles on wiki, which granted for townies almost always. You claimed Mastina can confirm self, so in theory that's waste.

Innocent Child can confirm self, that's right. But what other "only townie" role can confirm self? These roles mostly is powerful roles, like:
1. Powerful support roles and checkers, like Doctor and Cop.
2. Roles only confirmed by get killed/shot like Bulletproof.
3. Roles who can Kill, like Vigilante/Vengeful

Mafia can claim Cop/Doctor with easy, but i don't think there's possibility they really get this role i real. Obvious check for Rolecop!
Mafia can claim something like Bulletproof and sit doing nothing, because only possibility for them for confirm is dying or checked by Rolecop. Obvious check for Rolecop!
Vigilante of course can easily confirm self. Vengeful only when dying. Obvious check of Rolecop.
Or this could be just bait/fakeclaim. Again, obvious check, because fakeclaiming probably would get her killed otherwise.


I may believe about your thoughs about her being nightkilled (because these roles always neat), but your claim is simple "She could confirm self". By what? Let's assume she is Cop (Townie only role), what if she will don't find mafia, and get all townies? Rolecop check would be neat to confirm her and all her checks.

Also, is this Rolecop/Doctor combined? If yes, then it's even more stupido. She was obvious target for nightkills also. That's why i suspect you.


About Vax. Yes. There's possibility he trying to post something just to post. But he may be just townie shapegoat for you. I don't know, but honestly if select from you both, i would choose you for kill at day.

[Enchant]

^

Agree. I can't access site sometimes, it makes playing hard.

[Enchant]

She was obvious target for nightkills also.

By your logic, if she can't confirm herself, she can't claim to be confirmable.

She's an obvious NK target... As opposed to someone like Math who actually claimed tracker? And scum didn't kill her for three nights consecutively?

Math claimed 2-Shot tracker. He could be mafia, even if checked by rolecop, simple because it's possible for mafia get this role. Tracker is medium-hard (of not impossible) to fake without having this as real power. So yeah, mafia tracker could claim

If Martina got townie role really, and this is not Child, it's not like she can be confirmed by something, unless she somehow catch mafia with ability or get checked by Cop/Rolecop, or i don't know something. In theory, if you checked her and claim "Yes it is, she got role which only town can possible get", she would be pretty confirmed for rest of the game, unless you are both mafia of course.

[Enchant]

Putting in less words.

Why check and protect Tracker claim, which in theory hard to fake without having this power, but actually have low power?
Why not check Townie claim, which is easy to fake, but actually powerful things like Cop and actually more endangered than, uh, 2-Shot tracker.

Using your power to protect Tracker claim i see as waste. Even if you roleblocked from that.

[Enchant]

Then again, if I'm scum trying to maximize info, wouldn't that be a worse check for me as scum?

I dunno. What sense to check someone, who you will nightkill anyway.

Though, i realised, if you are mafia, you would claim something more plausable, especially if roleblocked. My opinion about your choice of action is notchanged, but i ask you, if you survive this day: You should check either Cop/Mastina next night. They are likely targeted and you confirm/disapprove them for rest of the game.

Unless other people have better thoughs of course.

[Enchant]

If you think Mastina is Town, why you don't want to protect her.

[Enchant]

If you think Mastina is Town, why you don't want to protect her.

I don't think she is, though.

There was question, why you don't think she is town and also doesh't want check her, so i will not ask it again. But you got idea.

[Enchant]

Hammer him after he claim.

Or don't hammer if he claim something plausable.

[Enchant]

Well, death or glory i quess.

Bug, if you are here, give your role and all info as fast as possible.

[Enchant]

We should organise for full effectiveness.

Like, yeah. RoleDoc should check Cop claim or Mastina (yes i know, you townread her, but it's not hurt to confirm, to dodge any elumination attempts, because of impossibility of confirming).

Cop do whatever. It's actually more harmful to give exact order probably.
Tracker should track someone, but not Cop/Maltina, because they will be confirmed.
If there's by any chance other protective, protect damn RoleDoc. Because if he is real, mafia will not risk shooting at Cop/Mastina, but may target him instead.

Alien probably can't do anything, as he is on odd nights. Just don't disrupt if that's not truth.


Of course, you probably can have better plan. I just connected for game and my info pretty small. Is there's other claims?

[Enchant]

umlaut are you named after this jestrer thing from as an obscure reference

Do you care, you about getting killed uh?

[Enchant]

i basically ignore wagons on me because time spent trying to dismantle my own wagon is time not spent finding scum

And who is mafia then?

[Enchant]

n1: i target momrangel and get that she can communicate at night
n2: i target anya and get a can not communicate at night
n3: i target auro and get a can not communicate at night

Wait

Mafia can communicate at all, so it means Anya can't be mafia, but you said nothing?

[Enchant]

Just checked wiki, private topic with other people alive count. So you just watched townie die.

VOTE: bugspray

[Enchant]

n2 i targeted almost50 for that result ffs

What about n3, where you got result, when Auto was rolestopped by alien?

[Enchant]

who the fuck is auto

Auro*

[Enchant]

What sense to kill townie, even idiot one, if you can kill mafia?

[Enchant]

So, you believe in claim of bug?

I just can't imagine this claim being truth.

1. He ACCIDENTLY put wrong person in check, after called out for letting townie die.
2. He got result from rolestopped target if alien is truth.
3. He trying buy time (prolong for deadline i quess), with asking who the fuck is Auto. I though that's obvious i meant Auro.
4. He claims he too busy with catching mafia. It's not like you can call via his ISO.

Honestly, even 1 is enough for me.

[Enchant]

my pronouns are they/them

My language knowledge doesh't allow to really use this pronoun without offending you even further. I will try though.

flea please just fucking vote me already so it doesnt look like a bus

FUCK FUCK FUCK

DID I REALLY POST THAT HERE?
VOTE: bugspray

No. Thanks for claiming Mafia though.

What would really be funny is if Bugspray flipped VT here.

Only idiot who can do that as town is me. If he is, though, then i don't know what this play.

[Enchant]

Oh damn, again i used he.

Sorry.

[Enchant]

So, i assume Rolecop+Doctor went for Mastina to check, instead of Cop?

[Enchant]

What are all the claims on the board right now?

We have 2-shot Tracker.
Jack of All Trades.
Alien.
Rolecop+Doctor.
Townie-Townie Role.

[Enchant]

... And false Cop.

[Enchant]

Why roleblock you, if you can be simple nightkilled and not waste roleblocks? I find this really strange. Unless they fear protectors. Then why they targeted Cop claim (who had reason to be protected by rolecop+doc), in theory wasting kill?

[Enchant]

Aren't Almost50 died as town?

[Enchant]

So. There are my thoughts.

Auro checked+healed Mastina and claims she indeed got 100% townie role. So, either Auro and Mastina both mafia, or just Auro.

I am not sure with setup though. Aren't two doctors in one setup looks so powerful to exist? Did moderator hoped they both would protect each other, or gived some ways for mafia to counter that? If Mastina tells truth, there is mafia-role locker, which makes sense as counter for two doctors.

Why mafia risked to kill tris? Which is one of two persons who being checked by Rolecop+Doctor and can waste kill. It even benefit us, it would be big screw if Tris was checked by Auro.

I somewhat believe Jack claim is legit, but there's also coveat, because he can simple claim Roleblocker blocked his kill. Protection can't be confirmed, Cop checks can be easily fabricated, only really confirming thing is Vig shot. Honestly, it would save us from some pain if you shot before claim, but can't blame. Also, why you didn't use Cops from 1n?

[Enchant]

No, i mean.

Standart tactic for Doctors is protect each other. It's unbreakeble without some roleblock ability.

[Enchant]

Or strongman or ... (fill in the blank)

We don’t know any of what scum have since bugs flipped goon.

I don't think just strongman enough for balance, if all claims are truth. But yeah, it's possible.


Agree with mastine. Doctor+Rolecop looking too useful to being truth. I would expect this to be have nubmered times of use, but i quess it's infinity use.

[Enchant]

No, i mean.

Standart tactic for Doctors is protect each other. It's unbreakeble without some roleblock ability.

Note that I'm the only unlimited every-night role, so this breaking strategy wouldn't apply. I'm sure they have a strongman, too.

Aren't doctor lynched early and he has infinity charges as well?

[Enchant]

Oh, he is simple. Well. I take my words back.

[Enchant]

I walked Len iso. Only thing he said on this day is about nintendo.

He said he will hammer Bug, probably without even caring about it. I think, mafia would hesitate about it.

Overall he is not helpful, trolling around it's hard to understand, who he thinks is mafia. Probably he ready to push anything regardless who is it.

Len. Notice us. Talk with us.

[Enchant]

I guess I will INTENT TO HAMMER AURO BY MONDAY.
But if we COULD ram through a Len or Vax lynch, then we actually get scum!

If you really think Auto is town, why you even agree to hammer him?

[Enchant]

Damn, i hate decide. If i am wrong, i get yeeted by all town. If i am right, i praised. Mostly i am wrong, of course.

Auro, if you are town, at this point hiding information is bad decision, especially if you just get hammered with that.
If you fake claimed, for bait or something, say so. Don't act like Anya.

If you really have Rolecop power, then say who you checked 2n, and if this person agrees, you can reveal his role i think. Don't die with this info.

[Enchant]

No, it's not about suspicious, i just got bored of "THIS WAS OBVIOUS NOT MAFIA/MAFIA, YOU FAILED" after game, actually hate that.

Auro claim looking like candy which mafia show up in hopes town doesh't lynch in fear of losing so important role.

[Enchant]

Auro, if you are town, at this point hiding information is bad decision, especially if you just get hammered with that.

Umlaut, VT

You got result "Vanilla Townie"?

I thought rolecop can't get alignment in result.

Btw, you started pushing Umlaut after so i quess you just meant vanilla. Well.

Umlaut confirm?

[Enchant]

Sooooo hammer time?

Also Lend is good for yeet

Even better than Auro?

[Enchant]

I like auros posts today tho

I'll hammer auro if you guys need, I doubt we are going to get a turn around on the last day(s)?

VOTE: Vaxkiller

Double personality in a nutshell.

[Enchant]

If you guys are that concerned about me, id rather you just end me now instead of bringing me into fade-or-lose, not sure if we are at that point tho.

As far as double personality... im just a realist. Someone needs to die so we can further the game. If im holding the gun I would have chosen someone else... but really id prolly hand the gun off, because im a little behind in whos what in the game.

Also, if im scum, I just keep quiet here or play "hammer time"

... Damn good point.

I need think for a bit.

[Enchant]

I just realised, i change my mind very often via reading. It's step i need to do, because it will be for eternity. I just bet.

VOTE: Auro

This is hammer. Sorry, but really, i can't think about your claim like being something real. It's simple too good.

If this flips Mafia, then i suspect Mozamis/Mastina and Vax/Len/someone other but less likely their teammates. I suspect Vax, because it's looked like trying to clear his mate, without actually hammering him, Mozamis for obvious reason and Len just because he is lurking around unhelpful.

JOAT, do your thing.
Alien, don't disrupt.
Tracker, do what you please.

if this Flip not Mafia, then we certanly have problem. But atleast Mastina confirmed.

[Enchant]

Last reads?

[Enchant]

Great then.

Honestly hard decision.

[Enchant]

If not them, then who you suspect? You probably said that, but repeat is not like make things worse.

[Enchant]

What caveat you mean?

Mafia can have this role?

[Enchant]

T3, you lied about cop check or it's legit?

[Enchant]

Oh, fine, you lied as well.

Just in a case, i am not against lying, if it benefits town. Though, i can remember Mastina talking about Even Night Roleblocker from mafia, and lastnight was odd. You probably more expected to eat nightkill this way. So questions.

Why you risking dayvig that way? Why you didn't shot Len/Vax/Someone other before, to remove potential mafia? Why you lied about Cop and how then you managed to "swap" roles with tris (unless i understand wrong something), do you have mailman ability with bonus?

[Enchant]

Screw it, I've been trying to lynch Len all game, and it's never happened.
Time to actualy LYNCH SCUM. We can work out the rest of the scum team tomorrow.
Has Len even voted all game?
Even "lurker town" do more than he has done, like...give the occassional opinion, vote etc
I'm not moving from this today.

VOTE: LENDINISTUS

rest of scum must be in Mastina/Vax/Outworlder?
But we'll deal with them tomorrow.

Mastina can't be mafia, because rolecop checked her and found role which mafia can't get by normal standarts. Atleast i believe dead rolecop.

Agree with Len.

[Enchant]

I'm honestly not taking this new claim from T3 seriously and I'm sort of astonished that Enchant is

Well, mod told me dayvig is not normal and probably can't be here, so i just missed joke... Or joke missed me? But still doubt, why cop trying catch roleblocks/kills, unless he have limited ability as well.


So. About Len. VOTE: Len.
Mozamis have fair point, even Vax a bit better than Len, because actually trying to help. I can't see any effort from Len.

[Enchant]

Flea, what you feared and what happened?

[Enchant]

Crumbs have been scattered... I even dropped a loaf at one point.

We'll see on the flip.

What crumbs?

[Enchant]

I literally have no opinions in this game, I'm just taking our conftowns' word on everything

Someone explain the case for Lend over the others?

Lend doesh't act useful and doesh't even try, joking around.

[Enchant]

I still think outworlder > lend. But prolly both?

Why outworlder is better you think?

[Enchant]

so what's happening

You getting voted out.

[Enchant]

apologies for being so inactive btw, i just really fucking hate playing mafia and i don't know why i keep signing up

Can't blame you for that. But mafia is team game.

[Enchant]

Yep.

lend doesh't want to play, and that's regardless of alignment, bad thing. He mostly makes excuses for not playing, so i can't see any reason to continue this.

Assuming Mastina reads are correct, it's 4 players and 3 mafia in them, so game solved even if this is townie.

[Enchant]

I just noticed. Groups changes every day? Or what logic mod using.

[Enchant]

Why didn't claim last day?

[Enchant]

There's little credo, Which proven for me.

If you feel you are winning, then you are losing. Right now, it looks like piece of cake.

[Enchant]

What i want say.

It would be, both mafia hiding around of these three. But what if no? I feel pretty paranoid about posibility, than T3 is mafia faking Cop, and just made some "checks". Or even worse, he could put teammate as green check, either for confirmation or for some wine like "No scum ever do that". Of course if Outworld flip mafia, then it's not possible for Umlaut being mafia, because only one mafia remain then. I am not sure about Flea as well, because there's, like, nothing which would point on neighborhood, like when i asked what is wrong, i got "stop fishing", like yes, it's important for hiding that you are neighbor of someone who being lynched? What for.

If i drop dead, don't speedrun game tomorrow, no matter what flip. Especially if this is town flip.

[Enchant]

Fine. I am ready.

VOTE: Outworld

[Enchant]

I know Mastina role. She can't be mafia with normal guidelines.

[Enchant]

Are you conftown? Cos you and mastina could be scum together

Dead Rolecop checked her and said she is conftown, obviously because he checked her and found this role.

There's literally no way for Mastina being scum and of course I can't be in team with her.

[Enchant]

I collect everything i have and tell.

[Enchant]

... Tomorrow. Nighttime for me. Just take my claim.

I am Town Odd Night Combined Mailman Alien. I targeted Flea last night and kill still happened.

[Enchant]

Wait, only survived wins game?

Where's point of bussing then.

[Enchant]

Yea, pretty.