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Not thrilled with Koto either, I don't mind goofing off on entrance but I think he's overdone it at this point

i liked your Rathe vote and then you make a bullshit post like this one and i am reminded why i wanna yeet you

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imagine scumreading someone for roleplaying wow

it's 2021 get along with yer times breh

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I have very few reads I feel strongly about but I'm at something like

Don't want to elim:

S_S, Luca, Llama, Andres, Anya

Could possibly elim:

Icon, Datisi, Samantha, maybe OW in a pinch

Happy to elim:

Koto, Rathe, Infinity

why are you not happy to yeet me???

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bruhs my catchup is stalling

am out of time

send help

where vote pls

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time is up

no scumhunt

only vote mafia

please

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VOTE: infinity

i don't know

fuck this game

VOTE: infinity

let's goooo

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That’s not the worst list, Umlaut

VOTE: Infinity

this’ll do I guess

watch out ur voting alongside your top scumreads or smt again

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ta ta talalalalal alalal alalal

ok i think i'll log out now

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can we make it happen my guys

probably not
VOTE: llamafluff

i told u iconeum

i'm coming after you tomorrow

better kill me tonight

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looks who decided to drop by

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SS we can maybe have a nice 1v1 tomorrow okay?

i need to go make dinner now and drink more

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maybe it won't be very nice but you know what i meaan

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i have had

drinks

why am i online

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wy is ther no lfipppy flip

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please

no scummy hunt

only vot maf

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hi allll

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i'd love some foody foods rn

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what is this water you speak of

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rathe seems spicey

i wanna vote there

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but i also wanna flip so ehh

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pleassse

gib flip

no scumhunt

only vote maf

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pagetoppy thx

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i

hate

this fucking game xd

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Wrf

Apparently I’ve claimed scum three times this game now

looks like you suck at playing scum

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Right now the only player I TR with any confidence is Datisi

I Tr zoomer but haven’t liked SS’s posting so far, which has eroded that read

I tr Momrangal’s early posting but that slot has done nothing substantial for a long while

As much as I hate to say it, my only other slight tr is Samantha. Maybe Anya as well

why am i not included in this post

i feel like i should be included in this post

especially if you now have a magic townread of datisi, you should be hardcore scumlocked onto me i think, and i'll take that 1v1 right here and now

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Vote Anya

Llama why do you think andres was killed?

Seems pretty baseless speculation. Only flips being off the wagon yesterday though is a little interesting though, but its something that reading into feels like throwing darts. Maybe we get right but it also can just be dumb luck or throw us way off. Its more of the confusing NKs that I think are the interesting ones to try and figure stuff out through.

Your thoughts on me saying Dats/Luca are probably town for trying to shift the wagon away from Rathe if OW is town?

what more digging did you do versus your prior post where you were still somewhat reluctant on Anya?

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can you all promise to not wait until deadline tomorrow cause this is definitely gonna be a town lynch no matter who it is

This is weird given you then vote a PR claim

If you really believed this then you'd have insisted on limming the VT claim (who you SR btw) instead of a PR clam D1

what ya gotta say about this one, sam

if that even is your real name

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town mailman enabler

One fucking minute later

VOTE: rathe

Damn, that infuriates me

Maybe Samantha is just scum here, that looks so opportunistic. Scum would know there is a potentially strong Mailman who will be made redundant by this move, and she votes so fast before anyone can unvote or even think about it

ngl, i'm seeing what luca is saying here...

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it was deliberately fast since I knew people would unvote

what

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Imo the hammer is a little bit less bad than you're making it out to be, luca, because we really just needed an elim, there was a nonzero chance that we would try to get the votes for outworld and not succeed and end the day in a no elim

It was bad, to be clear, but still

the hammer itself… definitely not bad
we did it to ourselves

but everything preceding it what luca is quoting is pinging me

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Didn't check the online list, but 7 people were not posting at once

ok but with what i think were still hours on the clock, your first thought is insta hammer vs checking to see if another lim is viable? If ur town?

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I'm leaning town on Icon actually

townreading both me and datisi?

vs 'at least 1 scum in them guaranteed' during your day 1?

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well that would save us a couple dozen pages at least lol

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day 2 llama feels infinitely better then day 1 llama

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VOTE: samantha

the discrepancy in yeeting the claim is just something i don't see town doing

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even in isolation, the 'omg i think it will flip town' is just a scum post distancing from the flip, and when she sees a potential to yeet a pr enabler goes for it under cover of deadline

makes sense

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Would you guys rather brutally execute Iconeum or Datisi?

imagine thinking i'm gonna be a viable execution today

haha

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infinity and koto

why me

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let us do this dance of death shall we

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Dats is obviously town, and now that I say it I forget why. Part of it had to do with his frustration with luca for not TRing him

if a weak reason like that is enough for you to obvtown datisi, why am i not town?

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Would you guys rather brutally execute Iconeum or Datisi?

Ico, but reluctantly.

if you think datisi is obvtown, why do you 'reluctantly' pick me from the 2 of us?

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...because I think you’re town too?

PEdit: @ico

@dats Normally these things become clear later idk

why are you not giving koto crap for putting out a bracket like that from 2 people you townread?

and instead play his game?

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i'm lurking and waiting for interaction yes

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yes

but i'm having trouble reading those posts as they are bigger brain then what i prefer

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i'll reread EoD because it happened in vla and i skimmed through it instead of properly reading

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i know that the wagon changed *so* many times during the last day or 2 and even more during the final hours, that it can't possibly be all scum-driven right?

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infinity was the first one to disengage the llama wagon and onto Rathe

which would be a ballsy play if scum, because you are deflating your main option of not being yeeted

town might be more inclined to do so, being less survivalistic

could be a scum yolo last ditch effort i dunno

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it was a naked vote as well

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then llama is the second vote

so you have both main wagonees joining forces on rathe...

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you thinking those were scum/scum wagons?

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this weird blocc of infinity/outworld/llama and maybe s_s and umlaut who seem to like. consistently townread each other

like. i have a feeling eithe ri have this game completely ass-backwards or this pools is guaranteed i have multiple scum in it. because frankly, i find it very concerning these people all just so happen to be town on like, most if not all other members of this blocc?

i mean, if you take away my townreads this is pretty close to my PoE

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this weird blocc of infinity/outworld/llama and maybe s_s and umlaut who seem to like. consistently townread each other

like. i have a feeling eithe ri have this game completely ass-backwards or this pools is guaranteed i have multiple scum in it. because frankly, i find it very concerning these people all just so happen to be town on like, most if not all other members of this blocc?

i mean, if you take away my townreads this is pretty close to my PoE

is this saying that you have multiple townreads in this pool, or that you agree with those slots being low-ish/poe?

i do not have multiple townreads in that pool
at this point only llama has improved to a slight townlean and outworld has dropped from day 1

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add umlaut or switch with llama

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ico what do you think of luca?

better then day 1

prob town

still townreading you

how's your paranoia of me on this day?

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koto why did you ask that datisi/ico yeet question?

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Spoiler:

ok so my ramble on "why isn't infinity dead"?

let's assume infinity town. why isn't she dead? why didn't scum push her through?

you could argue "well bc scum was already on her" but i don't think that's right. who was on her, andre/me/luca/umlaut/ico. like out of those names, *maybe* umlaut is scum i feel. i don't think this is right.

so then what? there was a town!driven wagon on town!infinity, and then there was *another* town!driven wagon on rathe? for absolutely no reason? and scum was doing... *nothing*? lol. people that weren't on neither infinity nor rathe are... koto and rathe himself. i don't think this is likely either.

you could argue that both wagons were town-driven, and scum didn't care which one they got on. but late-joiners to rathe were outworld and anya, neither of who were on the infinity wagon. those didn't care to act earlier. scum who doesn't care which one goes through would probably vote infinity earlier on.

and like, i wanna compare this situation to the italiano wagon in 2195. it was day one, short amount of time till deadline, italiano was town, on some ~5 votes. the wagon was *relatively* pure (i was the only scum hardpushing him). do you know what my scumbuddies were doing? they were sitting on their asses doing absolutely nothing and pretending that italiano didn't exist. because they knew town will be forced into that yeet anyway, since short on time etc. and i feel like that rule *could* be generalized here, because why would scum be rushing to get onto a wagon? they don't have to. let town destroy themselves. so why was there *such* a goddamn rush to get rathe yeeted?

You forget, that for mafia it is a good idea to change wagon from town to town in last minute. It causes chaos. Chaos is good for mafia.

why aren't you scumreading infinity if you believe this?

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infinity/llama/umlaut would be spicey

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like

main wagons on s/s infinity/llama

they start a last-minute counterwagon on rathe
ultimate confusion + panic about potential no flip
town jumps on, snowball into E-1 and town quickhammers

lol

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is Samantha weird town or just scum for that hammer

i really liked their day 1...

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it's a question that needs sorting before this day is over, because i don't wanna have that discussion in a couple days

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datisi, andres was basicly making your arguments at the EoD 1 already

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like

shotgun read here is just

scum in infinity/samantha

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if you look at the kill, both sam and infinity profit from it in a gamestate perspective

sam is key on the rathe exe, and infinity was the instigator

we should yeet in these 2

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Dats is obviously town, and now that I say it I forget why. Part of it had to do with his frustration with luca for not TRing him

can you come back on this and remember why you locktown datisi instead of conveniently forgetting why?

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and why is llama scum to you?

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i'll rephrase that

infinity, if you have llama as your top scumread here

why did you derail his wagon at EoD 1?

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VOTE: infinity

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ok so what do you believe?

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that looks like the PoE we are discussing...

why aren't you just hopping aboard towntrain headed towards scumbrutalexecutioncity and are instead arguing for… i don't know what reason

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VOTE: infinity

quickhammer my ass

luca why aren't you going after Samantha if you feel that way?

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ok

lets see a flip then

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what is this game

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luca come

hop back on, at least until claim?

why bother e-1 ing in the first place?

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why is anya scum? and why more then infinity?

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am i pocketed by flufposting

maybe

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i'm getting paranoia over being sheeped

mr blight, how may i interest you in an infinity vote?

Spoiler:

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And don’t literally ask me again and again to join the wagon if you don’t want to be sheeped lol

well

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how is it that when i'm townreading luca, datisi is getting paranoid

and when i was scumreading luca, datisi was clinging onto a townread

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real question is who do we add to the townblock

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koto/llama/??

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10 mafiascum bucks that ico/luca are scum/scum and i am truly utter shite at this game

i think you only need to reread a post or two to realize the errors in this post

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also i would be having way more fun if that was the case xd

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I guess this is Townie given Infinity's wagon was competing with Llama's at that point?

yep

Exactly. Seems really odd for scum to try and call a possible bluff there. Infinity is more on the OW level of town to me where it just doesnt fit well. Cant see them have made that move as scum unless they were convinced it was best survival move, and im not sure where that read would have come from.

Luca/Dats town
Infinity/OW probably town

Maybe we just break this open with town reads.

why is infinity town? am i still your scumread?

if luca and dats are town, shouldn't you be worried they are pushing another one of your townreads?

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You are a

Town Odd-Night Combined Neighborizer Rolestopper

.

When did roles get so damn complicated, I swear

I disagree the Rathe wagon was terrible (full disclosure of bias since I was on it), it was a reasonable compromise given town couldn't pull it together on anyone else. That hammer within minutes of the claim was ridiculous though, and agreed there's almost certainly scum on there.

If people want to SR me for the andres kill, I think that's reasonable

I accept your offer!

VOTE: Infinity 324

what are the odds of this being a bus? it doesn't feel like that
Umlaut if ur town i need to talk to you…

come, my Daughter

talk to daddyconeum

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do you scumread me right now?

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you were, yesterday

and we are voting alongside right here

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i almost hammered Infinity but then i reread her posts and naaah she seems fine

wasn't the rathe wagon a tactical starter at a buffet to distract us from the main course that was alpaca? like i'm pretty sure we chow down on alpaca steak if not for that random rathe wagon and he's wolfy too

VOTE: llama

the llama was only the second vote on rathe, tho

it was infinity who instigated said tactical starter, but you townread that?

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rwar!

sleepy dragon needs coffee
catchup will be slow

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Icon looking much townier to me today in the conversation with Datisi, Datisi looking good too though I have no idea how they come up with an Infinity-Umlaut team and really need that one spelled out for me

if you don't like the conclusion, how are we looking good here according to you?

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My limpool for today is {Samantha, S_S, Umlaut} in order of preference. Sam and S_S for reasons already stated and Umlaut because my TR's are on that wagon and I'm mostly null on that slot.

i'm rereading and again. *how* is this something that comes from a town mindset. like the main driver of the umlaut wagon is his strongest scumread. how is this anything other than an ass-pull??

can literally *anyone* please acknowledge this post and tell me their opinion on it

would lim

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Okay so maybe that was more Icon with 2692 and I just assumed he was responding to an idea you had advanced

and you don't understand how i got there?

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Infinity's vote is bare and vulnerable though like she has no reason to think anyone's gonna sheep that which is towny when she's the one at stake

alpaca is the one that makes it a wagon and more of a possibility

Check it out. Instead of responding to points now Anya is intentionally misrepresenting things in order to try and justify a vote by ignoring that immediately before what is being referenced I explicitly stated I would vote anyone not OW, Infinity or myself. This is scum. Whole game is active lurking. Very low content, very high noise. Gets called on making very convenient and questionable moves that get a TPR killed day one, and goes back to just messing around trying to be friends to players instead of trying to solve the game.

This type of play works for scum because it gets them ignored the entire time, just like it is here. It will slip by as long as you let it, and we need to stop letting it. There is no way that town-Anya who has been pretty dead set in a few reads sees the wagons develop the way they did D1, votes for Rathe, immediately reacts as if he was confirmed town pre-flip, and then the next day blames the exact same player she was calling scum D1 (and sheeped) for the wagon.

Needs to go now. All of her D1 moves near the end make no logical sense and fly directly in the face of everything she had been doing then starts calling the rest of the wagon scum.

i'm liking llama more this day and i kinda wanna sheep this

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On lunch break. Might actually try and take a little time off at end of day so I can commit more time here and then just work a few hours tomorrow to make up that time.

Why is Infinity a wagon again? I would pretty much vote the entire game with very few exceptions instead of them based on current reads, and similarly would be willing to snap wagon just about anywhere else. Yeah we need to push something through today, but everyone seems way to comfortable with gamestate which just increases my thoughts that Infinity is something scum are fine with happening so they are town. Not claiming unless absolutely needed, less scum know the better.

aaaa does llama do that as scum

This actually seems a pretty weak reason to suddenly flip your read and push in a completely different direction

Like if you were already so sure of Llama being scum, why would 2064 particularly move you? I get Llama isn't being opportunistic or jumping to save his own skin, but he's isn't exactly taking a hard stance either

I guess s/s is possible, or just a calculated move on Infinity's part in order to gain towncred?

this is unfair, luca
i remember you making a huge push day 1 and dropping your scumread whole over a single.post

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you figured out your reads yet, s_s?

the answer to this one is uh sorta?

Koto was my other preferred exe yesterday, that hasn't changed. I think I'm okay with Anya dying. Samantha is ???????? but like I sure wouldn't shed any tears if she died and flipped town.

I think I'm okay with Datisi and Luca for now? I expect that someone smarter than me will figure out if something's wrong there.

I still townread both Infinity and Llama from yesterday. I still think OWER's claim is mildly +town.

Ico I have no idea but I'll trust your read whatever that is (idr off the top of my head)

this just tells me you haven't been reading this game since… somewhere Eod 1

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you figured out your reads yet, s_s?

the answer to this one is uh sorta?

Koto was my other preferred exe yesterday, that hasn't changed. I think I'm okay with Anya dying. Samantha is ???????? but like I sure wouldn't shed any tears if she died and flipped town.

I think I'm okay with Datisi and Luca for now? I expect that someone smarter than me will figure out if something's wrong there.

I still townread both Infinity and Llama from yesterday. I still think OWER's claim is mildly +town.

Ico I have no idea but I'll trust your read whatever that is (idr off the top of my head)

this makes no sense after reading it again 2 times

townreads : datisi/luca/infinity/llama/ico? and you don't see a problem here?

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I'm ok limming any of Infinity, Outworld, Anya

We should decide between these three today imo

infinity > anya > outworld imo

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i love how SS seemingly wants to get inside the lim bracket

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funny how datisi mentions deepwolfing and i just instantly think of him and luca

haha

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Can we start consolidating a little spooner then yesterday please? Let's push infinity to E-1 with intent and get a claim ok

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there was a vt claim?

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am I being dumb by townreading OWER for a VT claim with no daytalk?

Wait, there's no day talk?

ping ping ping ping ping ping ping

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it's fine, you can have that one if i can townslip over the no multitasking thing

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how the fuck can we not even get a claim from infinity

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it's fine, you can have that one if i can townslip over the no multitasking thing

Scum can multitask.

scumconeum confirmed

busted

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there was a vt claim?

Hey, this town isn't big enough for TWO townslips

seriously tho, did OWEN vt claim?

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oh found it

was searching for VT instead of vanilla ...

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I talked so much about limming the claimed VT, do you not read my posts? lol

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i mean ehm

i do read them

just… have a hard time remembering stuff?

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If the townbloc decides there shall be a claim, there

shall

be a claim

we need to add to the townblock tho, i said as much earlier

we can't really force much with 3 votes

and i'd like to add llama but he is solidly tunneled on anya here i think

strangely enough it's umlaut who is giving their vote to the cause lol

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SS, vote infinity please

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llama can you crawl out of your anya tunnel for a moment and reply to the infinity push/case?

you were townreading her, mind giving your thoughts about other slots then just anya?

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anya, is your vote on Llama omgus?

wanna help us push scumfinity to a claim?

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If the townbloc decides there shall be a claim, there

shall

be a claim

i don't like this

luca when did you become funny

I guess when I got a nice green role pm? It tends to have that effect after previously rolling scum

Or perhaps your humor is rubbing off on me

can you clean up your drool please, i almost slipped on your sucking up to datisi there

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llama can you crawl out of your anya tunnel for a moment and reply to the infinity push/case?

you were townreading her, mind giving your thoughts about other slots then just anya?

this also bothers me

bc he said me/luca are his strong towns

like surely if your strong towns are badtunnelled into a read you consider wrong, you try to... address them?

same goes for SS

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dayvig shots

Multi votes

i'd even take a gladiator shot right now

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daddy?!

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NOOO

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Any thoughts on my SS scumslip theory?

sure but i want an infinity claim first

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i think we might actually have a townblock here

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I doubt you'll ever snow me the way I snowed you

Spoiler: wreckingball

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llama, do you have a readslist available?

i'd love to see where other slots fit into your reads right now

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how do you even match infinity townread with luca/datisi townreads?

are you not worried about your townreads going at it?

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@llama, my 2943

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i don't even know what the votecount is at tbh :p

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And why would you assume there's no day talk

Encryptor seems pretty unlikely without a particular setup interaction since if the mod wanted the setup to have daytalk they could have just given it daytalk.

encryptor… maaaybe with a neighbourhood also in the game but meh
not much to gain from such speculation i think

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also i

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have

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Spoiler:

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that's E-1 with intent btw

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we can get a claim now

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I find outworlder's wagon more pure than Infinity's.

go on?

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so it seems

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it's not really usefull making those associations at this point, pre flip

infinity needs to claim, we go from there

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we are down in severely in town power, and we just need a solid scum flip

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however, i think a red infinity flip paints the llama red as well

^^

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i'm town and you know why

like, exactly why lol

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if you are actually doubting my allignment this game, we work this out right here and now

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is datisi actually scum?

why did you have to say that?

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if it's *with* luca im basicly dead

if he's scum with someone like anya/umlaut, i can solve this i think

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i don't see why towntisi gets paranoid of me at this point

like, why were you even townreading me previously then?

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i'm town and you know why

like, exactly why lol

ok but what if it was scumconeum big braining the fuck out of this game

reread what you just said

carefully

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i don't get where this paranoia is coming from at this point

given the timeline of events, combined with your earlier townread on me, i don't see how towntisi is paranoid at this point
at least not of me

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i'm being unreasonable. just because ico said "associates preflip aren't useful" doesn't mean he's scum who doesn't know how to make them and wants to push through infinity without doing that work

says preflip asso's aren't usefull
proceeds to give preflip asso's

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i don't get where this paranoia is coming from at this point

agh, i don't get it either. i just really don't like this game. something feels wrong and i'm being reminded why playing town sucks

overdramatizing the game a bit?

it's day 2
we had a town exe day 1, not something that terrible right
scum killed another town night 2, not something abnormal

it's day 2 with 2 townflips, the main issue is that we lost 2 power roles and cut the legs out from another probably so yeah
that sucks

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i don't feel we are in a terrible spot?

fairly solidly townreading luca at this point, and i had you as solid town up until a page ago as well

llama has towned up
we have what feels like a good PoE

all that i'd like to see is a bigger townblock

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not sure if scumtisi is gonna express paranoia on me here

he nightkills me at one point or another, i think
pending on my reads i guess

that shade doesn't accomplish much for scumtisi right?

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Datisi and Iconeum over and over again claim paranoia about each other, like that would be some kind of ritual to increase trust in each other.
You guys are weird.

ur not wrong , we can be hectic like that sometimes

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what do you make of it, koto?

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i don't get why you think it's a townbloc if you are constantly questioning it's very existance

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we literally have infinity on y-1 and intent, we are pushing this until claim at the very least

there's days left, switching to anya is an option later on as well

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how the fuck were you fighting this hard for an infinity wagon, only to see it finally happen and then start talking about bailing out?

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i'm not unvoting i'm just expressing my anxiety

why aren't you thrilled it's finally happening

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why does that post feel like that is something you want and look forward too?

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i'm not unvoting i'm just expressing my anxiety

why aren't you thrilled it's finally happening

have you considered

what if it's wrong ;_;

i am immune to that feeling
the countless times of me having been wrong have eroded it out of my soul

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stay the course

running around like headless chicken nuggets won't help

we get an infinity claim and work from there

step by step

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hmmmm chicken nuggets

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ok

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you can run around like headless chickens now lol

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that's a scumclaim right

from anya?

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saving her ass today, knowing she's next anyway?

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so first rathe

now this

anya scum confirmed if this flips green

ez yeet tomorrow, if red flip we proceed

not too bad actually

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such an unfair justice system i'm with koto on this one

i love scum trolling lol

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holy fuck the balls on that chick

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my optimism took a hit

not gonna lie

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i'm not actually wolf btw i just think infinity being wolf is the most likely explanation for all this and why let her claim and get out of it if we think that

i mean

i could think of a reason

yeah

enjoy your last days in this town btw

your scummy ass is ded
if it's town, it's also ded

at the very least this is gonna be a policy lynch, with the added benefit of a high probability scum yeet

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I'll compromise on anya for sure

this may have factored into the hammer fellow party member

how does it feel standing on death row?

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hey look we didn't lose another pr

we're improving

...

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this day ends with an anya lynch

100% of the time

but let's not be hasty shall we

-pedit

ok?

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i don't know what is best play

discuss what happens after anya flip, potentially massclaim

or just quickyeet anya into the abyss, and whoever is left tomorrow can figure this out

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i'm trying to pretend like i'm not a complete detriment to this town ok

i don't think all hope is lost but if you could give information what the right play would be here that would be great thanks

yes i still believe you are town

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VOTE: anya

yeet away then

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wtf is wrong with anya self-yeeting if the goal is to end this day asap?

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sure

i'll be in weekend vla soon anyway

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weekend vla

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shit just got real

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i wanna say that its mighty convenient for anya to come out with a guilty during her death sentence

but it actually fits lol

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how does traffic analyst make sense with a potential mailman exactly?

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anya bad town doesn't mean i should cloud my judgement here and go full Salts

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UNVOTE:

guess i'll be increasing my lurking this weekend...

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if this is real we have 2 confirmed town with a guilty

which might be enough to salvage this from full Trainwreck V mode?

is this actually happening

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seeing her be a doc was rough though

you don't say

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maybe if there is a town mailman, they should claim as well? and sort this game right here and now?

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let's see what llama has to say here

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let's see what llama has to say here

right

maybe he's the mailman and anya is scum and everything is fine in this town

yeah there's a chance it's a 'fake guilty', we have 3! confirmed towns and we start yeeting in the remaining pool

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im leaning more towards believing anya claim then thinking it's fake

that crumb is also excellent actually

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and this *is* a gypyx 'normal normal 'after all so yeah

it can actually make sense

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scum traffic analyst?

are you trying to fry my brain on purpose? xd

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oh god scum traffic analyst vs neighourhood and mailman

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still, let's see response first

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ok actual weekend vla starting now

gl lol

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I prefer no lolhammer and giving me time to properly read and help out tomorrow

No deadline pressure so no Rush imo

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rawr!

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would people want me on the chef's block as badly if Infinity flipped vt instead?

i feel like like the unluckiness of her flipping surgeon is influencing people's decisions

i could've just waited and claimed traffic analyst yesterday as wolf and you all would've let me live

i'm town and didn't do that because i would've been nightkilled

i don't think you realize the problem here

if you genuinely thought you could have just claimed and gotten out of trouble, why were you scared of being killed and quickhammered for that reason?

why not just pressure infinity to a claim like we were doing?

your mindset doesnt make sense for town

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@ico hi are you caught up? i got up an hour early to be able to play today

i am just starting...

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but here now, yes

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i could've just waited and claimed traffic analyst yesterday as wolf and you all would've let me live

mm

this is true

it's true, but IIRC anya literally said that she was scared of being the one flipped over infinity and that was (part of?) why quickhammer

how does that match this statement?

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scum rolecops do not exist, this is a true fact

ehm

i mean

they do

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s_s is scum with anya and there is a rolecop on their team and they copped infinity night 1 and knew if she claimed people would unvote and move onto anya so anya quickhammered, and now s_s is assuming anya knew infinity would claim a power role and not get yeeted because of the fact that well, she did know that, even though there's little ground to assume that right now, speaking from the thread's pov / current discussion, and is trying to cover it up by crying "scum rolecop is a thing that exists"

this is spicey …

but scum are killing a N1 rolecopped doctor on N2 :p

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is there anything more going on in your head other than that

well I was all ready to blitz through an execution on Anya regardless of what she said or did coming into the day. and what she said today is pretty much exactly what she ought to be doing here as scum-- basically to a T.

the problem is, I can see the town motivation. It's dumb, but it's not like, out of the question dumb. And there is the counterargument that it was pretty dumb as scum too, which it probably was? except of course if scum knew that Infinity was a PR, and they didn't want her to claim.

and I mean there's definitely some hedging going on, I would much rather lose in the world where Anya is town than in the one where she isn't. Is that irrational? I guess? but it's freaking annoying to reward people for doing dumb shit.

Was it really that bad though? I guess maybe it wasn't; surely, people would have looked pretty sideways at a doctor claim after we already had a rolestopper flip; in fact, I think I would have gotten more suspicious of Infinity if she had claimed that. And scum very likely have a strongman or some method of bypassing the doctor, whereas Anya if town has undoubtedly the strongest role in the setup...

so actually, if Anya is town here, and we trust her, we're not in that bad of a spot, unless Koto's the mailman. so it's definitely not the right play to throw up our arms and say "it's unwinnable if she's town" which would normally be my MO here.

tl;dr there is a LOT going through my head but you can probably imagine why I wasn't especially keen to share it

1) there is a high ++chance of there being (loyal?) mailman, which is stronger than TA? No?
2) what town motivation do you see? Considering anya believed she could just claim herself out of trouble, why the 'being scared of daying lolhammer' reasoning?

3) the main issue i have right now is i *wanna* believe anya because that is like the only thing that gives us a decent shot at winning this

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s_s is scum with anya and there is a rolecop on their team and they copped infinity night 1 and knew if she claimed people would unvote and move onto anya so anya quickhammered, and now s_s is assuming anya knew infinity would claim a power role and not get yeeted because of the fact that well, she did know that, even though there's little ground to assume that right now, speaking from the thread's pov / current discussion, and is trying to cover it up by crying "scum rolecop is a thing that exists"

I can... almost believe this

(Doesn't have to be he's scum with Anya, just the idea that his post was predicated on there being a rolecop without his explicitly saying so because he thought of it as "known")

I thought Zoomer was pretty obvtown though, have to think about how much weight to put on that long-term.

wtf umlaut

do you *actually* take this seriously or??