Open 809: Charge Me Up! [Over]

[Dark Magician Girl]

I never know how to start

VOTE: VFP

VOTE: flow trap

You clearly know how to RVS. Is this a pre-emptive excuse for scummy awkwardness?

[Dark Magician Girl]

how serious is that vote ^

It's kinda serious. I don't really like RVS in general and I'm happy to have an early lead to chase.

[Dark Magician Girl]

Well actually I should say, I never know how to start on this site

What's different about this site that makes it harder to get into the game?

[Dark Magician Girl]

Explain?

[Dark Magician Girl]

What do you mean by pluralities?

[Dark Magician Girl]

Thing is, RVS is crucial and I know a lot of good players will base their early reads based on players entries.

For me, I'm always scummy on them when I'm late

VOTE: Dark Magical Girl anyway. There can only be one magician!

is that so? I guess we are gonna have to die then cause there's two of us just on this account

[Dark Magician Girl]

What do you mean by pluralities?

You don't know what a plurality is?

AFAIK plurality refers to the rule that the player with the most votes gets eliminated at the end of the day phase, but that doesn't make sense with what you're saying.

[Dark Magician Girl]

how serious is that vote ^

this is a pretty weird post to drop then just leave

[Dark Magician Girl]

UNVOTE: flow trap

I guess I'll do this for now then.

Town
Flow
Flea
Dk
DMG

I think we might win by PoE alone at this stage

are these posts jokes? I can't tell exactly cause you're humor if so is so dry lmao

[Dark Magician Girl]

I town read yessiree cause they expressed my problem with save the dragons for me

[Dark Magician Girl]

Dk probably scum then.
Good to know.

astonishingly bad take - whats sad is I think you're town here and scum is taking advantage of your foolish play thus far based on how I'm reading the game state right now.

Nice way to call me scum koba

U know i had separately had scumpings on your slot already based on individual lines - but you pointing out another reason is helping me thx ~

can you point out where?

[Dark Magician Girl]

I'm asking about flea

[Dark Magician Girl]

ok i changed my mind - flea can be town

for the NM post? I agree

[Dark Magician Girl]

Hmmm. I don't particularly like that DK immeneately claimed to be a PR.

But I also really don't like VFP immediately taking Flow Trap's word that they were confirmed town - joking or not, still unclear but kind of irrelevant to me after they dodged the question the first time tbh

And I also dislike Jester/scum memeing from Not_Mafia. Like ewwww

VOTE: Not_Mafia

this feels like a typical mafia who gets caught by pushing exebait

[Dark Magician Girl]

VOTE: green crayons

[Dark Magician Girl]

green crayons is >>rand scum btw

and my hydra partner has the same thought so I feel v good about this vote

[Dark Magician Girl]

lukewarm could be scum

Dk probably town, but if they're scum then lukewarm is definitely scum

flow trap and VFP are my biggest townreads

[Dark Magician Girl]

Sorry I haven't posted today, have had a bad day. Will catch up tomorrow

[Dark Magician Girl]

That is my explanation.

If you like it or not is a different matter

I don't

we should be friends not enemies, you're too cute to fight tbh

[Dark Magician Girl]

Ok flea town

can you explain why you said this at this time

[Dark Magician Girl]

lukewarm feels like they're just going through the motions

I don't really know why my partner is town reading them. Or DK for that matter.

I can barely tell when VFP is joking but I think their general demeanor is pretty towny. They feel detached from the thread in a way that makes me think they're just trying to solve and not interested in the rest

I wanna town read flea just cause I like faem but they need to give some more reads they have good tone at least

STDs nickname is pretty funny but every time I read their posts I just go what is this

don't particularly care to comment on anything else atm

[Dark Magician Girl]

i think my posts have been pretty clear

same issue as with your first posts tbh. You're saying things but I don't know why and I don't understand what you get from it. What are your reads atm?

[Dark Magician Girl]

I was on the fence with Dark Magician Girl, because they have been engaging a lot with the thread, but then most of their posts were just single line questions, without adding much to the discussion themselves.

But their last post has changed that view a bit for me. Moving them to the "leaning town" category

I want to town read you for this and I'm 80% sure it's cause you town read me

hmmm

tempting

[Dark Magician Girl]

I do think it's a good look though that lukewarm has a legitimate read on me that was swayed in a way I can see, from a post where I scum read them (idk if that was obvious by my going through the motions comment though)

they weren't deflective or omgusy or anything

[Dark Magician Girl]

because I have enough town reads I am going to call koba mafia by poe

for fun

[Dark Magician Girl]

I want you guys to try to guess who I am

I'm sad there's been no attempt so far

[Dark Magician Girl]

for...?

[Dark Magician Girl]

Acting towny

I'm just going to assume you made up the read until you actually say anything about it

[Dark Magician Girl]

But their last post has changed that view a bit for me. Moving them to the "leaning town" category

disagree. it reminds me of when i'm scum and it's hard to come up with bs suspicions, so i make a unoffensive observation post

I called 2 people mafia. Did you read it?

[Dark Magician Girl]

lukewarm: explains completely and well why he doesn't like math's response

Green crayons: let me just call luke scum for no reason

[Dark Magician Girl]

in case my post above wasn't obvious enough, Green, that's me calling you mafia

[Dark Magician Girl]

so now that we have progressed a little - how do people feel about no limming so PRs can do their thing and investigatives can potentially give us some juicy info?

could be useful. I've not really looked into the setup much cause it doesn't interest me but it is weird we have evens

[Dark Magician Girl]

I like the case Lukewarm made on ND, esp. the bit about posting rate. I was having trouble articulating why that bothered me and Lukewarm put it in a way that made a lot of sense + is the kind of twisty read that really tries to get into scum's head rather than just say something that looks good on the surface

what did GC do that let you catch them in that other game koba

[Dark Magician Girl]

why do you town read green

[Dark Magician Girl]

DMG: hmmm. DMG is hard to read so far. I am going back and forth on them.

reads like this usually come from town for anyone still thinking lukewarm is scum

[Dark Magician Girl]

they don't have a ton of explanation but enough that as mafia they would be inclined to give of a stance. That they go back and forth is believable because of that and inherently towny

[Dark Magician Girl]

idk why people are calling green towny, most people saying so have no explanation and he just seems like obvious mafia to me

[Dark Magician Girl]

I was wrong.

Spoiler:

I'm not the town hero, I think Lukewarm is!

wrong on what

[Dark Magician Girl]

oh I just realized there's a spoiler

[Dark Magician Girl]

DMG is officially removed from the VFP block.
So we now have an opening.

you're going to have to explain this then

[Dark Magician Girl]

I'm going to have to actually explain while I'm on mobile smh what a chore

VOTE: yes

for whatever he's doing with Dragons

What about it, can you explain?

sure

it looks like trying to create suspicions over things that are not suspicious or even ai

that it's done to help support/protect DMG also pings

Spoiler: posts

how serious is that vote ^

this is a pretty weird post to drop then just leave

it's weird that i have a life outside of mafiascum?

Well, it sounded like you were trying to initiate convo by phrasing it as an inquiry, and then left them hanging

asking a question and then leaving the site to do ~life stuff~ isn't leaving anyone hanging

merely asking a question

ok but it looked like a serious question, to which she gave a serious answer. So I find it odd you chose to respond to her the way you did instead of just responding to her answer

how is this odd much less ai

green crayons opens with associating two players for weak reasons

I don't think it needs to be pointed out either that he's actually defending std here where as yes was only answering things

anyways asking a filler question then dipping is scummy because std had no actual thoughts of their own and their question seemed pointless, they also never followed up on it which I don't like

well, I found it odd how STD (...dragons? save?) chose to explain the reason for his lack of followup instead of just following up on dark magician, cause that seemed a bit too self-conscious for a townie

hm.

VOTE: DMG

green keeps his view within only yes/myself

and he's given no legitimate reasons to at this point.

But their last post has changed that view a bit for me. Moving them to the "leaning town" category

disagree. it reminds me of when i'm scum and it's hard to come up with bs suspicions, so i make a unoffensive observation post

~60 posts later makes up a poor reason to keep his suspicion on me which is pretty obviously made up because we've had and voiced scum reads at this point. The idea we'd be struggling to come up with suspicions is not true at all except for this isolated post. He's apparently been paying attention to our slot based on his interest in us but he can't come up with anything except isolating one post to try to call it bad

[Dark Magician Girl]

idk why people are calling green towny, most people saying so have no explanation and he just seems like obvious mafia to me

Post 156. Felt like he was trying to understand my positions, which is more important for town then for scum because scum already knows who is on which team.

Their post 246 / 250 made sense to me and has been part of why I have been back and forth on you.

Post 317 argued against a no-elim day 1, which seems like a town thing to do. No elim on Day 1 is almost always better for scum, but he made a good argument against it. I don't think scum would necessarily argue for it, but he could have stayed quiet and just wait to see if the no-elim train gained any steam.

the links other than the first aren't working for me. Anyways I disagree with your point about 146. When I first read you were just pointing things out you didn't like without calling them scummy I thought it was odd you didn't actually attach value to the things you liked/disliked but still felt the need to point it out the way you did. Meanwhile greens response has no inquisitiveness, no "why?"

he is not trying to figure you out

also, on the sleep thing: usually sleeping means you miss out on an exe, however because this game is 14 and not an odd number, we will have to sleep eventually when we get to mylo. Not have to but it's better. We can alternatively also use the sleep earlier. That was kobas point and I'm not sure the practicality of it personally but it's not strictly scum sided and could be town sided to sleep

[Dark Magician Girl]

i think it's weird that a question is assumed to be an intro to a confrontation - not sure if that means anything, but just some food for thought.

that's not the point. My point is that's mafia usually enter the game by asking filler questions in place of their own thoughts. I pointed out that you asked the question and then left because the question was all you had

[Dark Magician Girl]

green, me, math, koba

[Dark Magician Girl]

i think it's weird that a question is assumed to be an intro to a confrontation - not sure if that means anything, but just some food for thought.

that's not the point. My point is that's mafia usually enter the game by asking filler questions in place of their own thoughts. I pointed out that you asked the question and then left because the question was all you had

ah. well i asked a question and got an answer, you were concerned that i dropped it which sounds like you wanted me to talk about it more.

meh

my expectation at the start of the game was mostly that I'd be able to post reads in hydra chat and say things that are important while my partner interacts. I like playing that way a lot more cause interacting in thread is tedious and I usually find people are capable of making up excuses as scum anyways so its not extremely productive. But my partner has been mostly inactive in thread and chat

[Dark Magician Girl]

DGM probably town

explain?

[Dark Magician Girl]

lol

[Dark Magician Girl]

what reaction

[Dark Magician Girl]

I think it's funny I wrote like 3 paragraphs on this page and rather than have thoughts about them you're like "I just think she's town"

besides that I figure pushing you for an actual response isn't useful

[Dark Magician Girl]

maybe I've just delt with too many not mafia types in my life tbh

[Dark Magician Girl]

actually I thought about it more and I think trying to talk to vfp also killed my desire to ask people stuff this game lol

[Dark Magician Girl]

dkkoba looks like they're actually trying to sort the game, their reads seem genuine. looking at their iso i guess i'm a little less convinced so maybe i lean town now.

but then there's this:

so now that we have progressed a little - how do people feel about no limming so PRs can do their thing and investigatives can potentially give us some juicy info?

i kind of like the question as a way to try to cheat the setup as best we can. seems to come from a town perspective rather than a scum one. for now i like them as town.

i think i'm opposed to it but it is an interesting idea. i think we gain a lot of info from a flip and should probably have that.

[Dark Magician Girl]

oops I pressed send

anyways yeah. I thought it was weird you had koba as confident rather than lean town so I agree generally

[Dark Magician Girl]

dmg do you have anything against crayons that isn't directly related to your interaction with them? sorry if i'm making you repeat yourself here

basically the stuff I wrote last page

[Dark Magician Girl]

because look at the game state and whats going on around their slot - they're getting FOSed - it leaks a frustration they are getting FOSed for wrong reasons as well as a frustration that hydra partner is not comfortable as scum and hates posting as such.


i dont know who the heads are which would help immensely but this is how I interpreted that statement.

I don't know if they want to out who they are but they've literally been given awards for their scum game so no lol

[Dark Magician Girl]

shrug

[Dark Magician Girl]

I asked for people to guess who I am and am still disappointed there aren't any

who do you think koba

[Dark Magician Girl]

nope

[Dark Magician Girl]

lol I don't think you will koba

and no vfp

but I'm not going to continue saying no probably

[Dark Magician Girl]

uuuuhhhh n-no

[Dark Magician Girl]

Spoiler:

he's onto me

[Dark Magician Girl]

night kill vfp @mod

[Dark Magician Girl]

that's why I posted it

you need some help

[Dark Magician Girl]

amazing points

[Dark Magician Girl]

koba what're your thoughts on lukewarm

just saw you're voting him still

[Dark Magician Girl]

tbh even useless conversation can be useful to judge things like comfortability in thread, and it can attract mafia to comment on it while they don't comment on more content-full conversation

I don't mind the presence of it at all

[Dark Magician Girl]

koba what're your thoughts on lukewarm

just saw you're voting him still

Is your read on me dependent on if I am town or scum reading you?

You scum read me at first, then I gave you a town lean, and suddenly all of your posts about me were pretty positive building up to eventually trying to convince other people that I am town

Spoiler:

DMG: hmmm. DMG is hard to read so far. I am going back and forth on them.

reads like this usually come from town for anyone still thinking lukewarm is scum

But now that I am scum reading you / voting for you, you are reconsidering? Or at least that is how I read the quoted post.

I think you're town. That's why I'm asking koba about why they're voting you

[Dark Magician Girl]

that's why I posted it

you need some help

Dunno why u made a new hydra for a pair that already existed but hey

and what's that?

[Dark Magician Girl]

All of them, how hard is this?

Okay when I'm at my PC ill tell you each read (3 hours odd)
For now unvote yourself.

If you want a discussion in the mean time then pock your topic.

I'm waiting for this still

[Dark Magician Girl]

wtf I've been refreshing this thinking there were no new posts but in actuality I just needed to go to the next page

I'm tired af I'll give thoughts tomorrow

[Dark Magician Girl]

I don't think the wagon was justified there and felt a little too easy with lack of resistance.

Flea's vote I disliked the most out of all of them.
I doubt there's 2 scum on the wagon though, but I'll be shocked if everyone is town there.

It does make me think that Green has more of a chance to flip red here though and Mini is just the counter or at least a distraction that scum are just letting fly by.

As of who I think is town

DGM

is pretty town to me. There's a few posts I feel that are forced like 372 but I don't feel like it's scum mind set. I also think DMG is actually trying to progress reads though I'd like to see DMG question more towards who is scum.

Mini

is focused on the game at me. It's not like it's a popular place to push and there are much easier / accpetable targets for Mini to go for here. I don't think scum Mini get concerned about me asking for a prod on them either. The back and fourther between them and Dk was just not useful on a scale of sorting. The above is what makes me think town too.

Flow

is going to be the spot I flip flop on I feel like, but Flow I just read their posts as town. There's not too much else in it so mainly just gut.

NM

most likely town here. Mainly from the entrance but I doubt I'll get much more here.

ND

is actually producing high amount on content to posts. 291 is only from a town mind.

Town lean

Lukewarm

I can imagine being the scum tickets pass. 331 has some reads I disagree with but is consistent. I think I'm warming up to this slot.

Dk

is just going to tunnel here because of the disagreement. I'm not discrediting any skills they have here, I am saying that I don't think they fully believe to be 100% right here without the shit show argument. The problem I have with it is before that Dk was a realiable person to read in the sense I didn't feel there's a negative agenda for reads or comments. Now I think Dk is just going to ignore the game to that level until Mini is gone. The main problem is this stops me being able to make a read on them as if scum the tunnel is just going to be a smoke cloud. I think Dk shows as scum outside of that if scum, just from the way they play.

Artemiana

makes it just into here. I liked the approach to the shit show trying to prevent it going on. I know regardless of alignment it's not something that should be promoted but as scum you want to see town rip into each other (And this is going by my TvT). I liked something early game but I can't remember what.

Null

Moz

Needs to do something. I wish all the best in RL but still I expect something to be able to read on even if it's just an actual vote.

Dragons

I almost want to put as lean town but I feel that they do reads to appease rather than what they believe. Personally I think Dragon has a lot to offer though if town and I want to go through more reads with them directly day 2.

Minor lean scum

yessiree

seems empty with their posts. I don't see any actual attempt at scum hunting or want to progress. I don't see them going for easy targets either, but maybe staying under the radar or coasting.

Flea

gives me a different feeling to how I have normally with Flea. It's hard to say as last game me and Flea were calling each other scum and we were TvT so it could be a case of both of us giving opportunity here. Regardless I won't lim Flea day 1 as Flea is by far active enough generally to slip up. There's not too much to go by other than I feel Flea has been a bit quiet as a whole in this game so far. I only put Flea in minor out of respect of not being a null! Flea is the second player I want to get views on more day 2 before progressing.

Lean scum

Green

is playing as a typical scum, pick a target and stick to it without adding anything else to the game. As it stands there seem to be a few names I can't see with Green and with my thoughts on the Mini wagon I can see this as a good lim.

I'd be more preferable at this stage to talk about particular reads and give a details description on a name rather than the game state.
I can tell you that this list is where I'm actually currently at regardless of any lists posted before.

If I'm right on

Green

/

Mini

then we would be looking at
1 scum in
Save the Dragons, Dk, nm, Flea, Lukewarm
2 scum in
Yessiree, moz, Artemiana, ND, Mini, Green

With DGM and Flow locking as town for me.

wanted to read this before I went though and I agree with pretty much everything. The flea read seems mostly meta which I don't have but I'd personally put them higher. I'd put NM lower but shrug. ND in lean. Agree with the flip flopping on Flow, I'll probably need to ISO them to give legitimate thoughts. I have no clue atm what to think of Mini, I saw a bunch of AtE and was like fuck this and didn't read most of it lmao, other than it they've not given much. I'd give a response like that >rand scum though. I also disagree that someone pushing you is towny. Maybe it's just my principle but I don't like giving people town cred for making bad pushes, that just opens the door to letting mafia control the game more easily by pushing townies and getting town read for it. I've like Yessirees tone and haven't minded contributions, but I can't recall any specific reads they had which were particularly good

I think that's all I have to add atm

[Dark Magician Girl]

lukewarm could be scum

Dk probably town, but if they're scum then lukewarm is definitely scum

flow trap and VFP are my biggest townreads

[Dark Magician Girl]

who are u lol

me?

[Dark Magician Girl]

you do know me, btw

[Dark Magician Girl]

hello

[Dark Magician Girl]

im actively posting more to avoid suspicion yeah

What was the need to say this

- Mini

it was a joke

[Dark Magician Girl]

Here are my skim reads

wtf is this lol

[Dark Magician Girl]

Replacing Lukewarm

oh rip. I liked them

[Dark Magician Girl]

this game is hard for me to get into

i think at this point i want to keep my vote on one of {MiniVirgo, Not_Mafia}. Could vote {Artemiana, mozamis} for being null.

Artemiana and mozamis, will you give me one scum read each and why?

why is it hard for you to get into?

[Dark Magician Girl]

VOTE: Flow Trap

I want flow to explain their chart, idk why they refused to

I actually can't remember any of their other posts which I'd say is also scum indicative but, I'm just busy in general lol

I was planning to vote minivirgo because I feel like their contributions around page 24-25 are poking people for really poor reasons and I don't like it

How much experience do you have with them, @vfp?

I think Flea's last posts were also very towny

[Dark Magician Girl]

I want flow to explain their chart, idk why they refused to

Because I don't want scum to know my bluffs?

Oh and also to sound suspicious

what?

[Dark Magician Girl]

I feel like this is just an attempt to lie about a scum slip lol

[Dark Magician Girl]

?

I don't know why he's considering who to push/defend like that

[Dark Magician Girl]

except for that he's scum lol

[Dark Magician Girl]

(OR he could be pr with an exciting ability and he fears not bing able to use it but you didn't hear it from me)

I don't think scum usually say this out loud lol

[Dark Magician Girl]

DMG do you find this game easy to get into?

I don't know what you mean by get into. I don't feel bad about where my reads are at right now, but I do think more stuff to work with would be nice

MS seems to generally just be slower, though

[Dark Magician Girl]

Spoiler: biggish quote

Do you have any thoughts on the koba and minivirgo argument?

I do

I'm sure you know what my follow up question is

well, ngl, it was kinda off-putting and killed my desire to play for a bit.

The reason for koba's initial push (which was mini hasn't towntold) was very weak, so weak that I didn't think anyone was gonna bite on that. So to me, mini's reaction was way overblown, especially given there was hardly any vote on the slot at the time. Of course, I don't know the history between these players, and tbh really can't be arsed to take that into consideration in how I read them, but since that seems to plays an important role here so I kinda have to to a certain degree.

Usually I associate strong emotions with town because it's just hard to fake as scum, and it's very easy to tell when scum is faking it, but usually this only applies when they are in danger of being eliminated. So it's more a case of associating it with desire to win. But mini wasn't in danger of being eliminated, in fact I think he was wagoned due to how he handled the pressure, and I don't see town reacting that strongly, especially on day 1 because a green flip here hardly impacts town's prospectives. So I think he reacted poorly to the pressure, leaning scum on the slot

(OR he could be pr with an exciting ability and he fears not bing able to use it but you didn't hear it from me)

I like this response compared to your previous posts.


VOTE: minivirgo
Still think this slot has the plurality chance to be scum; definitely prefer it to flowtrap who's only being scumread for posting in weird style.


The Flea and Dragons interaction to me looks bad for flea because the accusation that dragons hadn't read the post was unfounded and there isn't a reason for town!flea to think that in the first place.

the way Math completely mischaracterized Flow slipping is noted

[Dark Magician Girl]

omg that's so much I'm not reading all that lol

[Dark Magician Girl]

hi, I'm here but I'm not going to be able to catchup tonight, maybe not in the morning but I'll see

Is there any reason we're not voting flowtrap?

[Dark Magician Girl]

who did andante replace?

[Dark Magician Girl]

NM is just misexe bait

I'm not gonna stick around to convince you on flowtrap right now but he legit slipped

cause of the push/defend thing, that's not a thing townies keep track of, it's scum trying to strategize

[Dark Magician Girl]

I haven't been able to catchup on the weekend cause there's a lot more than I was expecting but I'm pretty sure the lukewarm slot is town