Mini Normal 2199: Baseball (Over)

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He ruined this moment for you. He is the villain.

What a totally non-manipulative thing to say

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Ok so the Anya is vig'ing half the town

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Norwegian has no reaction to my push on him and just ignores it but as soon as an Anya wagon comes along he's gungho and ready to agree with dkkoba to vote me

i woooonder why

Because you switched off them before they got on & you voted them for being gone to long?

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anya and norwee are either SvT or SvS i will say that

Actually, I think TvT is more likely than SvS

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anya and norwee are either SvT or SvS i will say that

Actually, I think TvT is more likely than SvS

this is why u unfortunately will likely live to lylo

I have good TvT instinct (only on controversial ones), but I will definitely have to see more

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To believe that Anya is town i'd need to buy that they start to scumread me hard and for no reason since page 1 of replacing into the game.

Saying no reason is a bit of a stretch

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I could see either way

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You can always count on NotMaf hammering. If it wasn't for me mentioning it earlier anyway he would've hammered while Flow was the sixth vote instead. I just wanted to take the hammer away.

NM isnt the enemy... the people who intentionally put the wagon back at e-1 are.

It was like Thanos said... Inevitable.

I mean yes, but you didn't need to do it then

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I have a feeling they're not trolling

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Why not bring yourself into another slot so you get 2 roles?

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Looks plenty ended to me

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I happen to be a Rebel Moral

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I think Elsa stated that that was intended

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Anya, did you vig Brass too?

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how the hell are we going to ever deteermine his alignment?

I'm town

That was easy

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If I'm understanding right a checker sees if their own action was successful and not if their target's action was successful?

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A disloyal checker is basically a cop with unconfirmed blues, I believe

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Anyways, I would like to focus on Moz, Rathe, Owen group at the start of today; I would like to put aside Norwee/Anya for now; however, I will be keeping an eye on them

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Anya, it's just as likely you NKed Art to frame Norwee

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VOTE: Rathe

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Anya, stop using my weakness of wanting to respond to everything

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Elsa who is most to least likely scum in Rathe, Moz & Owen?

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Anya how do you read Owen, Moz, & Rathe?

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Rathe what are your current thoughts on Owen?

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Can you 2 focus on someone else for now, neither of you are helping your case by going back and forth like this

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i'll sheep you flow but i think they're out for my blood

Don't sheep me

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It could also be an obscure PR read albeit less likely

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To be fair, no one else has anyone critiquing everything they do, so naturally, they're going to be more suspicious

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Which is why I want to focus on Moz/Owen/Rathe for a while

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You can suspect them silently

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Just make a document of everything they do that's scummy and then post it when we get back to the subject

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How

did

people miss you, you're certainly a main focus of the day so far

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And why focus outside?

Because bias

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*to aviod bias

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I actually have reason to believe Elsa is town (albeit conditional), but I can't say yet

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See last part of post

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Which is why I want to focus on Moz/Owen/Rathe for a while

u can ask me stuff

I know you said you don't like to do readlists but can you do those 2?

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Is it too early for Elsa to Claim?

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I meant like a paragraph ._.

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so wait kitty is cycling? mate

What does cycling mean in this context?

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Wouldn't ginger handbags be considered tacky by some people

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I guess cats are ginger and handbags are tacky?

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Norway is a good place to Cycle

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Oh, can we ignore you then?

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VOTE: Owen

actually

ok I didnt see this
VOTE: Unowen

Anya switched to Kitty

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P.O.E in this game strongly suggests you are scum anyway.

I was thinking that too, but lycheeing someone only for that feels... bleh

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Oh, can we ignore you then?

F in the chat for Elsa. Cause of death: homicide by words.

Sorry ._.

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VOTE: UNOwen

I like Kitty's claim timing; it looks like an overcompensation of their last town game

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Happy birthday. But why vote me?

You're gonna have to quit the under-the-radar tactics

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I'm getting an uneasy feeling about DK

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Yeah no, I know that's false better than anyone

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if i had to bin a few ppl as town id say rathe, kitty, flow, art

^^^^
I also called jim town d1

Fypov flow ive called 3 ppl town correctly- do you think my strategy involves pushing actual town as town and hope nothing happens there?

Scum needs to call some town town otherwise, they're susing 10 people; I have more to say, but I still TRL you and I don't want to detract away from Elsa atm

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Elsa Jay, give me your reads from towniest to scum. You have 5 minutes.

What if Elsa isn't on?

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Well, I don't think it's Elsa+Norwee

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I'm getting an uneasy feeling about DK

I have more to say, but I still TRL you and I don't want to detract away from Elsa atm

u kinda already detract away from elsa y r u uneasy

It's just me going from my trust everyone to suspect everyone phase

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see the way you're posting right now Owen feels like you're a presenter putting on a show for the audience

why wouldn't you just ask Norwegian that directly instead of talk about him like he's some distant actor?

You want them to ask Norwee why they are suspicious?

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Like I said. Sparingly. Besides I think I only voted twice day 1, one of them being RVS and the other being my final Jim vote. Unlike Anya my vote matters and doesn't change much.

That just causes a similar problem for a different reason

"Elsa's not going to move their vote ever, so why should I put my attention on it"

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Don't get into noob mindset that aggro= scum

*Store statement*

They're getting pushed by my top scumpool reads and its like frustratingly like - feeling scummy asf that there's no criticism of elsa here doing what she did.

*use statement*

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(When) Are you planning to claim elsa?

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Well, I think I already know, but I might be on the wrong track

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So DK, why is Rathe strong town, I glanced at your iso and didn't see a reason

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Flow Trap, i'm not sure i get it. Are you saying you have some form of result on Elsa?

No, I'm not

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if elsa flips town solve is

flow/norwee/anya/moz

How does Flow+Norwee+Anya make sense?

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And how does Flow+Norwee+Moz make sense?

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Can you actually claim?

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I figure old there was something like that in the game

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*Figured

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I also figured that it would probably be you since you claimed tracker in jest

"Many a true word is often spoken in jest"

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It is also a plausible reason for you to not want attention; however, that is no longer an excuse since you outed

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Are you talking to me or in general

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What kind of motion detector?

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Well whoever is here atm. But since your my birthdate buddy you get to answer it. Also take into account our sad dead checker and Kitty claiming roleblocker.

I'm thinking a 1-shot something and a very weak PR; but I really have no clue I'm not used to these kinds of setups

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flow trap too lazy to fake his own posts

Maybe you shouldn't be confusing

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Then why ask?

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You need to grab the bull by the horns here

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You guess?

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You guess?

Seriously tho of all people I'm not the best person to lead town. But if Koba literally won't let me go then I'll take more action .

It's the other way around if you don't take action, Koba is gonna push you

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That's because you basically hammered their TR, you need to do more than that anyways

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So a motion detector that mostly detects outward movement?

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I still like my idea of 3-shot 2-shot 1-shot

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oh and i forgot to target someone last night because i'm a dumb

Aren't nights longer here than on MU?

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I think Elsa's was foreshadowed more than Anya's though

I kinda believe both though

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Complex is a role modifier?

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There is literally only one complex modifier ._.

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There is a difference between no result and action failed right?

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I've already read a lot of it, you 2 were confusing me

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Ok so enough PR discussion, Elsa defend yourself from the arguments presented by your opponents

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All

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Kitty - 2-shot roleblocker
Elsa - Simple motion detector
Anya - Complex motion detector

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Any info is helpful info as I like to say

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Kitty already said theirs

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we now know the theme of the setup tho at least - roles that have nothing to do with what they actual do whose purpose is to do something else and have false positives based on being blocked.

Or just false positives

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im just thinkingl ike why i wasnt nightkilled

Because you would be likely to be protected?
Because some people don't have "being right" as a factor?
Because Art suspected Norwee?
Because Anya wanted to frame Norwee?
Because some 3rd party wanted to exacerbate the conflict between Anya & Norwee?
Because of some obscure PR reason?
Because you're not explaining your reads?
Because you're so focused on the fact that scum wants to NK people that are right, they don't want to NK you to make you doubt yourself?
Because you're scum?
Because someone underestimated the threat level you are to scum or over estimated (or knew) the threat level Art was?
Because if you weren't NKed it would be suspicious for you?
Because the mafia wants a challenge?

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I'm not talking about that kind of 3rd party

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Why do you townread flow trap?

Why do you townread Rathe?

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I didn't like their shade towards me - for reference - and I'm trying to figure out if I'm pocketed or not.

Shade being asking why you TR someone?

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Why didn't you just say that earlier

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Fine.

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3 wagons are more dynamic

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How close are you to finishing your readlist Elsa?

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Anya- My not as intelligent but equally beautiful twin. Trust them completely now since they spoke up about a piece of my role I kept secret for a reason.

Might need to guide her actions for her.

Good luck

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i am literally the most obvious town here

You're like 3 points above Norwee imo

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i am literally the most obvious town here

You're like 3 points above Norwee imo

Actually, now that I think about it it's more like 5

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ok

what makes me scum

list the reasons NOW

I'm not SRing you

The only thing I can think of that isn't gut is constantly stating that you are town, like subliminal messaging

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ok

what makes me scum

list the reasons NOW

I'm not SRing you

The only thing I can think of that isn't gut is constantly stating that you are town, like subliminal messaging

and yet that isnt scummy thats just my playstyle

It is scummy in general, but it doesn't mean it's scummy for you if you do it all the time

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What's the difference between a quickhammer and a hammer?

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Cause Elsa did wait an hour

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Like Elsa is going to play this passively when their scum partner Anya was a top candidate for the lychee canon

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Like Elsa is going to play this passively when their scum partner Anya was a top candidate for the lychee canon

*Like Elsa would to play that passively when their scum partner Anya was a top candidate for the lychee canon

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Like Elsa is going to play this passively when their scum partner Anya was a top candidate for the lychee canon

Then why the fuck is Anya voting me and pretending like Elsa’s claim isn’t a problem.

Because it makes sense to have 2 counter-part roles

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nobody claimed RBed

I mean you could've RBed a passive/vanilla/person with no result like a visitor ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Plus I'm saving shots, nobody claimed RBed, if I was scum I would have blocked Anya who softed PR day 1.

Where?

"I'm gonna vig X"

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Explain to me why it makes sense.
Are you saying you think they are both real claims?

Because humans have a natural tendency to patterns

Yes

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Like Elsa is going to play this passively when their scum partner Anya was a top candidate for the lychee canon

anya could be town

I was talking to Norwee

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Am I missing something on Norwee or are they going to be the Town that only I TR that's town

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I'm Isoing them

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Nowee has suspicious posts but not scummy posts, if that makes any sense

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VOTE: moz

actually while rereading day 1 i think this is best vote for the day.


lets actually ram this one thru

I'm pretty sure that's e-1

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Well, it was e-2 last time I checked

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First, second and third bases shall be marked by white canvas or rubber-covered bags, securely attached to the ground as indicated in Diagram 2. The first and third base bags shall be entirely within the infield. The second base bag shall be centered on second base. The bags shall be 15 inches square, not less than three nor more than five inches thick, and filled with soft material.

Votecount 2.03

NorwegianboyEE (3):

Anya, mozamis, KittyTacky

Elsa Jay (2):

Not_Mafia, UNOwen

mozamis (2):

Rathe, esotericzoomer

Anya (1):

DkKoba

KittyTacky (1):

NorwegianboyEE

UNOwen (1):

flow trap

Not Voting (1):

Elsa Jay

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to eliminate.
Day 2 will end in (expired on 2021-04-02 10:15:00)

2

I trust Anya and her claim.
I believe Elsa's claim but don't trust him.

UNVOTE: Elsa
VOTE: mozamis

3

VOTE: moz

4

mm
hot take

VOTE: eso

i think this is the safest vote here - ive bee n having my eye on this slot for a while and like theyve been so weirdly under the radar for a while and gamestate just really suggests this slot is scum and im like going thru a lot of reeval rn and trying to see a world where both anya and elsa could be town - eso is scum independently of this


also i think norwee's reaction to all this discussion feels weird and i may be inclined to agree that is also scum there.

3

VOTE: moz

actually while rereading day 1 i think this is best vote for the day.


lets actually ram this one thru

4

Ok, I miscounted somewhere

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Ok, I miscounted somewhere

Oh, the first time, I missed DK's switch so I think I counted that twice

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Anya gets accurate PR checks with Vanilla being unsure since Anya could be RBed and Elsa gets accurate Vanilla checks with PRs being unsure

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Statistically, DK is more likely to be right

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Statistically, DK is more likely to be right

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I'm pretty sure their votes are the most AI content

or will be

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I believe Moz's opinion changed on Norwee the most between day 1 & day 2

So, I think it's probable that Moz saw Norwee visit DK, & since there are more roles that want to target the opposite team moz may see that as scummy

I'm not so sure Norwee is BG

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Probably cause they weren't there?

They were at lychee-3 when they left

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VOTE: Norwegian

1 kill after some1 calls you out? ok could be a frame

2 kills?

yeah no you gotta go buddy.

I knew you were going to say that

Why rathe then and not you?

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moz had all the time in the world to claim its his own damn fault for dying - im fucking tired of PRs not claiming at E-2/E-1

It was e-3

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Elsa just do it

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No

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Because rushing is stupid and it really seems like you're just pushing people who aren't obeying you

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See?

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I don't trust Elsa but agree with flow trap, we should not be rushing things today.

im just pushing people to claim their shit so they cant stall

Because they wouldn't use their 2 days of thinking about what to say to their advantage

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Actually this is the most productive you've been, so you decide elsa ;P

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Actually this is the most productive you've been, so you decide elsa ;P

who do you scumread

whats your read on me

whats your read on elsa

and all whys for all of these

1. Norwee - I don't think the claim makes sense with the setup and it's possible moz found something there
NM - I could see NM acting more helpful than normal to not get shot as a mafia life is greater than a town life
Owen - If I remember correctly, they also pulled the take the TR and roll with it

2. Medium town - You being all over the place and ending up on Moz is suspect, but it's rare for mafia to go into "Aggro mode"

3. Leaning Town - Everything they do makes sense and they have stepped it up after claiming, which is townie; also as I've stated before I don't think S-Elsa is that passive when S-Anya or S-Norwee is under that much fire

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I think Elsa might be acting shifty because she is fake and doesn't actually have a result.

VOTE: Elsa

this is like ignorant but like town ignorance LOL


kitty , he claimed result on NM and said NM was vanilla

It's close to midnight here, m'kay?

I still don't trust that. What if he is fake and claiming a result on someone who is hard to read? Now I see why moz wanted N_M PLed D1.

Why would they fake claim a result on someone harder to read since they would be less certain their result was true

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I think Elsa might be acting shifty because she is fake and doesn't actually have a result.

VOTE: Elsa

this is like ignorant but like town ignorance LOL


kitty , he claimed result on NM and said NM was vanilla

It's close to midnight here, m'kay?

I still don't trust that. What if he is fake and claiming a result on someone who is hard to read? Now I see why moz wanted N_M PLed D1.

Why would they fake claim a result on someone harder to read since they would be less certain their result was true

because its their partner

From experience, mafia rarely "investigate" other mafia

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Probably Norwee since they don't fit in with the others

I would be 0% surprised if Anya was fakeclaiming as town though

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Anya seems like the type to do that for reactions ._.

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I think Elsa might be acting shifty because she is fake and doesn't actually have a result.

VOTE: Elsa

this is like ignorant but like town ignorance LOL


kitty , he claimed result on NM and said NM was vanilla

It's close to midnight here, m'kay?

I still don't trust that. What if he is fake and claiming a result on someone who is hard to read? Now I see why moz wanted N_M PLed D1.

Why would they fake claim a result on someone harder to read since they would be less certain their result was true

because its their partner

From experience, mafia rarely "investigate" other mafia

who said that was their real result?

and just because its rare doesnt mean never.

A. Quotation marks
B. I have never seen it in my 48 games, so it's unlikely

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VOTE: Anya

I am visitor

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flow you need to sort out your spelling

you somehow wrote someone else's name and typoed it so badly it turned into mine

Oh oops UNVOTE: Anya

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Who've you been visiting flow trap?

Elsa and Eso respectively

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Is it just a visitor? Nothing elsa?

No, actually I'm a combined vig doc

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Is it just a visitor? Nothing elsa?

No, actually I'm a combined vig doc

Weird - a vig doc with whats essentially a flipped cop?

That doesnt make sense.

That was a joke and a combined vig doc is essentially a visitor

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Is it just a visitor? Nothing elsa?

No, actually I'm a combined vig doc

Weird - a vig doc with whats essentially a flipped cop?

That doesnt make sense.

That was a joke and a combined vig doc is essentially a visitor

No - its essentially a doc and the difference matters since it would have been egregious setup balance

I would pierce my own Protection

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Flow - what PR did you think i softed d2?

Honestly, I was expecting you to be PGO and just get rid of all the suspicious PR peeps

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Flow - what PR did you think i softed d2?

Honestly, I was expecting you to be PGO and just get rid of all the suspicious PR peeps

Or test if kitty was RV actually

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Or reflexive watcher or something

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A reflexive watcher who wanted to be Roleblocked.

I thought reflexive was passive

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Don't mind me I'm having a mid-game burn out again

Well, actually it's more like I lost motivation for outside reasons, but I'm quick to recover emotionally

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VOTE: Anya

You're welcome

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VOTE: Anya

You're welcome

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Double talker

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VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

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Lychee-2

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Norwee, if you write a 10-page essay on oranges before you get hammered, I will vote NM

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Why Oranges. I don't even like Oranges.

Cause it was the first thing I thought of

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Because I'm just done with the round and I don't feel like putting any more content & I'm procrastinating tbvh

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Also, you're claim doesn't fit, but that's not good reasoning

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Is too towny to be a town a thing cause I'm paranoid that DK is amazing scum that has me super pocketed :S

Eh, if DK is scum town is already doomed, so DK, you get my first locktown ever

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VOTE: samantha97

I visited Elsa BTW

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

Well if it's Samantha or Elsa then it's probably NM, correct?

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I'd rather go for a 90% chance than a 50% chance

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I really don't see Elsa & Norwee being partners though

Elsa did step it up after claiming

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Individually? Maybe, but it's less likely they're partners with Norwee

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Let me know when it's lylo so I can get motivated

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nah- more like flow trap

Or Simple motion detector on you, complex on me & I visit you?

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good point. do you think flow trap fits as a partner for zoomer?]

i wanna look into the scumreads of the dead people but it would explain why i was left alive so long

idk he's been a lot more quiet recently ever since norwegian went down though

VOTE: samantha

It's called a burnout, it's NAI for me

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Why aren't we having Anya check 97 btw?

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I'm just gonna do my own thing then

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I'm open for i̶n̶t̶e̶r̶r̶o̶g̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ friendly questioning over tea

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Alright since I'm bored too...

Who would you kill tonight as scum?

DK

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hey flow trap can u explain why reduced activity?

I had ADHD and need more and more stimulus for something or else I get tired of it, if anything this game has been slowing down

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hey flow trap can u explain why reduced activity?

I had ADHD and need more and more stimulus for something or else I get tired of it, if anything this game has been slowing down

H*ave

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hey flow trap can u explain why reduced activity?

I had ADHD and need more and more stimulus for something or else I get tired of it, if anything this game has been slowing down

I also have adhd and feel this - but youre so absent and have not done much post norwee flip. When that should be a stimulus in of itself

Should isn't is

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Dk do you get like this when your partner is shot

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I'm asking do you get how I'm acting

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I'm asking do you get how I'm acting

Dk do you get like this when your partner is shot

Is this a scumslip?

No, they seem to like applying me to their scum game so I'm asking them if they act like I'm acting right now when their partner gets shot

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I'm asking do you get how I'm acting

Dk do you get like this when your partner is shot

Is this a scumslip?

No, they seem to like applying me to their scum game so I'm asking them if they act like I'm acting right now when their partner gets shot

thats not actually what I'm doing. you're being dead weight right now - and I want to know why you are not shifting away from being dead weight. you seem no interest in trying to help solve and are staying opinionless here when before you were not like that.

Opinions - same

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Not from the whole game, Dk.

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Already said

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I havent seen where you explained this - can you restate and with detail?

I apologize for my petulance

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Steal

VOTE: titus

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Not from the whole game, Dk.

flow thats a scummy move since you know what not mafia will do

I know

So hope they're maf if not we can shoot Elsa next

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I only waited this long to give titus a chance tbh

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if titus flips town , hard turbo flow trap next day.

No, Elsa

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I am almost garunteed to not be shot

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So basically scum get a twofer. Miselinate me then claim Elsa was lying rather than roleblocked.

Sounds like a great plan to me.

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This seems like a policy lychee

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You're just defending your territory;)

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If I hammer Titus and they flip VT like I suggested are you gonna insta vote me tomorrow NotMaf or actually listen to me about The Roleblocker and other MD?

Why do you care, you found out they were lying

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Why can't it be Kitty Flow?

In that case why can't it be DK Anya?

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Hmph

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Solution:

Anya & I visit Elsa & Elsa visits DK

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actually why is flow so defeatist and not trying to look towny though like he's so flippant when talking to you dk

i'm cancelling the countdown for now

Because I've never convinced anyone ever so idc

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Also Adrenaline