MT 2203: Grand Idea Upick: Awakening [Endgame]

[Raya36]

Wait, it doesn't stop factional kills, I misread

[Raya36]

No offense sam but your role is very anti town. You just turned all our killing roles vanilla. Sure, it probably saved a townie or 2 but now we can't kill scum at night and we lost a lot of power

[Ircher]

Day 4 VC #3

samantha97 (1) - TemporalLich (1521)
CaptainS (0) - Guillotina (1518)
Not Voting (7) - Almost50, samantha97, Flea The Magician, CaptainS, mahimahi, KidAmn, Raya36 (1536)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to execute a player.

Deadlines

This phase will end no later than Friday, April 23, 2021 8:30:00 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-04-23 20:30:00).
This phase will end no earlier than Saturday, April 17, 2021 7:30:00 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-04-17 19:30:00).

Moderator Notes

1: If you have regular weekend V/LA, please inform me each week.
2: As a reminder, please try to avoid multiposting in a row as that can clutter the thread and make it harder for people who are behind to catch up. Try to combine smaller posts into one larger post.
3: Please try to avoid using the L-word. Alternatives like eliminate, fade, launch, etc. are highly encouraged.
4: Guillotina's vote will still be tracked, but it doesn't officially count during this day phase due to the activity rules. This does not lower the execution threshold.
5: CaptainS is V/LA until the start of Monday, April 19, 2021.
6: As of 1569, the mean number of posts among living players is about 118 posts and the standard deviation is about 36 posts. The safe zone is below 226 posts.

Pronoun Key

1. mahimahi : They/Them
2. Flea the Magician : Fae/Faer (Preferred) or They/Them
3. Raya36 : She/Her
4. TemporalLich : He/Him
5. Guillotina : He/Him
6. Korina : They/Them (Preferred) or He/Him
7. Almost50 : He/Him
9. KidAmn : They/Them
11. samantha97 : Any/Any
12. CaptainS : Any/Any

[TemporalLich]

it stops all but one

so that's why I mentioned "cross-aligned scum shooting mahi" as a 95% unlikely scenario that would allow for mahi to die while sam stays alive

[samantha97]

Mahi is most likely a scum prince.

I interpreted fuit vendorize as changing their role to that entirely

either way it doesn't actually matter what mahimahi is because we have 0 non-town dead; it's not like you're suggesting he is the only non-town player in the game

let them weigh the benefit of keeping me alive if mahimahi is actually anti-town informed

and I use the phrase "let them" loosely cause suggesting to vote me is just thread-clogging; there's never gonna be a majority in favor of getting rid of confirmed town

[TemporalLich]

also whoever silenced guillotina is scum

[samantha97]

yes I forgot korina existed sry

[TemporalLich]

yeah but we still have zero groupscum accounted for

[Almost50]

Can we agree that mahi is scum because town would warn that we're wasting our elim both times?

We agree on that one alright.

also anyway lets massclaim I guess since our pool is good

I've been roleblocking you guillotina sry, I'm a town naturalist (which I thought was obvious and I expected to eat the nk), aka an omniroleblocking omnidoctor lol

my role was altered like I said, so I'm the only one who knows exactly how it works, but you'll see tomorrow anyway

H K H CRYLKM"SF"NFOIF << Bad words

Town Naturalist

While you are alive, any killing or reviving role will not function (excludes faction kills). Refund any X-Shot abilities (or equivalent) prevented by this role. Additionally, only 1 player may die per night. If 2 or more players would die, randomize which deaths exceeding 1 will be prevented. All applicable prevented abilities/kills are still considered 'visits'.

What the freak did you have in mind when you submitted this role to teh GIM thread to begin with? Like, we don't know if only one killing scum group exists (because it could be that you have been blocking the other one anyway), and no Town Vigs would work either.

You do need to die if we want mahi killed at night

.

Yeah we have a scum prince, the roleblocker is blocking the town win con

did you check how my role works before saying that

It bloody blocks ALL TOWN KILLS (since these are not "factional" to begin with).

also yes I'm guaranteed the nk because I have been passively blocking factional nightkills

Looks like someone didn't read their own bloody TAILORED ROLE.

First line says: any killing or reviving role will not function (

excludes faction kills

). You have only been blocking a second factional kill IF there is one, but you have 100% blocked Guillo's kill TWICE.

That makes sense then. Seems the role only exists in town too.

Who cares if it's 100% Town. The role literally says "You can't kill Yeet-proof Scum while I'm alive".

Also

NO MASS CLAIM

Ok, so we keep you. Town killing roles target who we think is scum (mahi or whoever else later on). Hopefully we actually prevent the next nk and get our kill instead

Read.. the role .. again. A Town-originated kill is NOT a FACTIONAL KILL. It is blocked by samantha's role BY DEFAULT.

[samantha97]

You have only been blocking a second factional kill IF there is one,

exactly? do you really think it's just 1 team?

anyway I'm content with this VOTE: almost50

[Almost50]

also whoever silenced guillotina is scum

samantha did. It's a KILLING ROLE, is it not? (guillo's)

@samantha: What makes you think mahi's not the "only" scum left?? Please don't tell me because "setup balance".

[samantha97]

@samantha: What makes you think mahi's not the "only" scum left?? Please don't tell me because "setup balance".

you're basically asking me to craft a fakeclaim for them

[Raya36]

also whoever silenced guillotina is scum

Wait did I miss this?

[Almost50]

You have only been blocking a second factional kill IF there is one,

exactly? do you really think it's just 1 team?

anyway I'm content with this VOTE: almost50

Yes, I bloody do. And we need you to leave TOPDAY for guillo to kill mahi tonight. OTHERWISE GUILLO GETS KILLED TONIGHT AND MAHI WINS.

VOTE: samanatha

[Raya36]

You have a point actually. If Guillo is our only killing role and Guillo dies then we have no way to kill Mahi

VOTE: Sam

[samantha97]

k you all are dead set on losing holy heck lol

mahimahi was never confirmed mafia, just "not-town"

if you check the thread for prince roles you only come up with alien

if you really think they're a prince, they're an alien, and very likely an ungrouped one at that due to the odds of someone else picking alien & the 15% roll to even get it

wasting a day lynching town is even worse than the days spent wasted on mahimahi, cause you're changing your chance of getting rid of mafia to 0% and changing your chance of being -1 town to 100%

in conclusion,

it's not confirmed that mahimahi being killed is even part of our win condition

and

there are more people who are not town than mahimahi

it's not like it's a large pool of who they can be either, so they'll gladly swoop in and capitalize on this illogical town mindset

[samantha97]

2 people capitalizing so far who are in the unclaimed mafia poe: raya and almost50

[Almost50]

@samantha: What makes you think mahi's not the "only" scum left?? Please don't tell me because "setup balance".

you're basically asking me to craft a fakeclaim for them

Your claimed role does NOT provide you with the info of how many anti-town roles have been rolled. Agreed?

So, unless the mod literally meant 2

Mafia/WW

(as opposed to "anti-town") I don't see how you got it.

And EVEN IF the mod did literally mean 2 Mafia/WW there is a chance that the other scum is also the same alignment as mahi, which means you haven't been blocking shit.

And YES, I do want to see if there are more anti-town kills out there.

Finally, there is always the chance of cross-killing (again IF there is another FACTIONAL kill out there).

Either way; I am not going to sit here watching you hand mahi the win on a silver platter because "there may be another scum group that can kill". We deal with facts here, not intuition.

[TemporalLich]

Lead Rist:

samantha97 (Conf Town)

- Credible role claim supported by NKA and Guillotina's claim. Despite being top read, a good choice for the elim because of mahimahi scummy princeliness

Guillotina (Townlock)

- Credible role claim supported by samantha97's claim. Do not elim here. Ever. Not even once. Not even in another Dimension. Not even in another timeline. Not even in another realm. Not even in another flune. Not even underwater. Not even underlava. Not even if the Astral Demons see you. Seriously, don't do it.

Raya36 (Townread)

- Very towny poster, the top read in the PoE.

Almost50 (Townlean)

- Most likely to be the deepwolf.

Flea The Magician (Nulltown)

- My read stays constant here. Still think fae are towny.

KidAmn (Null)

- Initially a moderate townread by me, near zero scum equity (as in KidAmn has a strong scummy aura) drops this some places

CaptainS (Nullscum)

- yeah still scummy sorry to say, hope you feel better CaptainS

mahimahi (Scumlock)

- scum prince, not town but could be benign 3P. though benign 3P is wishful thinking

[Guillotina]

Samantha if you are town and you roleblock me, how come mafia chose to kill a 2-shot cop instead of the vigilante with incredible power?

Your roleblocking ability plus mafia's hit on Vaxkiller looks synchronized. Vaxkiller also cast suspicion on you yesterday and he said that there was only one role that made sense. I think you roleblock me so you guts could kill Vaxkiller and prevent you from checking your number, because you guys needed to make sure that Vaxkiller's claim of having 2-shots only was not a fakeclaim of his.

Your ability does not protect me and i dont believe scum chooses to kill Vax over me last night unless it was planned.

VOTE: Samantha

[TemporalLich]

samantha is a passive roleblocker

[samantha97]

Samantha if you are town and you roleblock me, how come mafia chose to kill a 2-shot cop instead of the vigilante with incredible power?

Your roleblocking ability plus mafia's hit on Vaxkiller looks synchronized. Vaxkiller also cast suspicion on you yesterday and he said that there was only one role that made sense. I think you roleblock me so you guts could kill Vaxkiller and prevent you from checking your number, because you guys needed to make sure that Vaxkiller's claim of having 2-shots only was not a fakeclaim of his.

doubting my role when you supposedly got your grenades back is a bad look

I didn't wanna say anything cause I had no reason to doubt you behaviorally until now, but your roleclaim only conftowns you as far as you being unable to know what my role was

if you or a partner could predict it based on what I hinted at, you could use your claim to rolefish me/direct other anti-town factional kills towards me/confirm yourself as town through me if I had the role

[Guillotina]

also whoever silenced guillotina is scum

Who silenced me? When?

[TemporalLich]

4: Guillotina's vote will still be tracked, but it doesn't officially count during this day phase due to the activity rules. This does not lower the execution threshold.

I missed this

anyway sam is at E-2 right now

[samantha97]

anyway sam is at E-2 right now

sadly there's little left to say

hard to talk people out of throwing when there's nothing to prove since they already know you're town lol