Micro 1005: Help Isis, Scholarship Student at Noon

[SirCakez]

I and all members of my faction that are known to me and I to them, VOTE: VOTE: Isis and win the game

gg

[SirCakez]

Guys this is pointless i already won

[SirCakez]

ok. now what do you want to do now that you've done that?

wait for Isis to confirm my win

[SirCakez]

and after that?

*shrug*

HEAL: Flea

[SirCakez]

I and all members of my faction that are known to me and I to them, VOTE: VOTE: Isis and win the game

gg

This is an interesting first post. SirCakez attempts to make a joke in this post, referencing one of Isis's special rules.

• The joke is lighthearted and innocent, and doesn't raise any red flags.
  
• SirCakez is sloppy in executing it, using the vote tags twice. The lack of concern for how his posts looks is a good sign.

Overall, I think this is a slightly towny introduction to the game.

this person sounds EXTREMELY familiar and yet I can't put a name to them
argh

i hope the special present from Isis is a dayvig so i can use it on this dragon thing and save the kingdom from evil.

LOL I legitimately laughed out loud at this

HEAL: Ydrasse
I changed my mind

[SirCakez]

SirCakez - This could easily be Flavor Leaf. Feels like he's setting up for the endgame and juggling an agenda, and Flava does that as both alignments

/thonks

wrong place to vote.

why

Explain?

explain what?

My observations were exaggerated and memes lol, not serious at all

Sha77 may legitimately be scum
Their opening was tonally weird and I hate this reaction

[SirCakez]

The heal, lol

Trying something

[SirCakez]

The tone was faked, Cakezy

What do you hate about that reaction? You think those observations were serious?

Disregarding the initial posts:
The reaction sounds tonally weird. Like you're overtly concerned about being SRed for it.

[SirCakez]

Andres how am I overreacting?

[SirCakez]

even though they were being townread for it?

sure

[SirCakez]

so why would they be concerned?

in case someone (like me) changed their mind

why, bc of that other game ending?

some gut feelings I had from your very early posts

[SirCakez]

which thing? the gut feelings? because I didn't feel the need to

[SirCakez]

why make those posts in the first place if he thinks they're someone's going to scumread them?

because it's Hectic that's just what he does

idk!!! you might be underestimating me. my last scum game was a while ago. i won that one! (its actually the same game i played with cakez) with that game, i was figuring out how to be better at scum, and i almost want to be scum again to see if i develop my skills there better. but, i also hate being scum

yeah I remember that one you snowed us pretty well. i will be more paranoid this time.

HEAL: Andresvmb

wacky ass choice

Take me to lylo and mislaunch me

why wait when we can make it happen sooner

I think the MagicalBear is town safely
i think I have a good grasp on him after Warehouse

[SirCakez]

I also feel good townbinning Infinity

[SirCakez]

of course you would like that townblock you're in it and Ydrasse is extremely likely town
gross

[SirCakez]

no I think they are scum

[SirCakez]

Andres and Alisae are scummy but I don't think they are both scum
I guess Tris goes in townbin by virtue of most everyone else being scummier
Flea = ???

[SirCakez]

because it's Hectic that's just what he does

You ever played with scum!me?

idk prolly? I don't remember my old games much

is it the early game posting, or something more?

All of their posting feels gross
I dislike that both times I've called them out they've immediately tried to ferret their way into my read on them

[SirCakez]

Like have you read these posts?

i don't like 180 from andres, how he pointed out what alisae was doing and he was like oh... i'll still townread it... like he's trying to make himself look good etc etc

andres pinged me for what i explained, but he hasnt been around more to actually interact or say more. alisae already is making me go ? because of that normal game where e instantly clocked me for town and this game theyre like they dont trust me and idk, maybe i expect someone boasting about how well they can read me being able to tell that i'm town again fast enough and it's jarring to me that they're in opposite territory, pooky isn't inherently scummy but i don't like the way he's talking about the game basically and it's not any deeper than that.

those are the most concrete reasons i have to dislike people/not heal them.

I don't see how these come from a town!ydra

this doesn't make any sense

[SirCakez]

HEAL: infinity
i don't like the other options

[SirCakez]

I don't like Cakez (this isn't OMGUS, I swear)

lies

[SirCakez]

I think the MagicalBear is town safely

Why?

Also I hate to nitpick but I'm still curious about 168

oh yeah that
I wanted to see what others (including Ydrasse) would do if the wagon built up there. it did and it made me happy with town!Ydrasse

[SirCakez]

ferret? like, try to get you to reverse it?

yes

Can you quantity what is "gross" about my posting instead of just calling it that?

next post

[SirCakez]

My observations were exaggerated and memes lol, not serious at all

Maybe the only one that was serious is the Flea self-conscious observation

I already talked about this but this post felt tonally off, too worried about perception of themself

The tone was faked, Cakezy

What do you hate about that reaction? You think those observations were serious?

Immediately dives on me to try to get me to change my mind

I like the Ydrasse/tris/Sha townbloc, and honestly, I think Ali's suspicions come from a place of good faith too

really hate this attempt to declare a townblock

Why is what gross, Cakez? Why aren't I just town who's happy with a townbloc that has me and someone who's likely town in it?

Immediately dives on me to try to get me to change my mind, again. I believe I'm the only one expressing suspicion of Sha too.

I don't know I can't point to many specific posts on ISO. but I just don't like the tone of many posts. it feels a little too "un-serious" in a very intentional and manufactured way. as opposed to Pooky's whose silliness I buy more.

[SirCakez]

Andres and Alisae are scummy but I don't think they are both scum
I guess Tris goes in townbin by virtue of most everyone else being scummier
Flea = ???

also, can you clarify on this @cakez? do you not have any other current townreads than tris? (and me i guess because you said you're happy w town me)

no I think you/Infinity/Pooky/tris are all townbin atm

[SirCakez]

ferret? like, try to get you to reverse it?

yes

Can you quantity what is "gross" about my posting instead of just calling it that?

next post

lol I'm trying to get you to elaborate on your read so I can read you, how is that "ferreting"?

i'm looking at the motivation and desired goals here

[SirCakez]

because it's Hectic that's just what he does

You ever played with scum!me?

idk prolly? I don't remember my old games much

I don't like Cakez handwaving this argument from tris:

why make those posts in the first place if he thinks they're someone's going to scumread them?

When he doesn't actually have any memory of scum!me and whether I'd do the same thing

idk what you're looking for here dude

[SirCakez]

Cakez, I care very little about changing your mind. Well, I do if you're town, but all of those questions were asked because I care more about reading

your

alignment

mmmmmmm

[SirCakez]

Sha77 may legitimately be scum
Their opening was tonally weird and I hate this reaction

This just seemed too overconfident for me. Like you’re trying to get into a fight and not solve someone’s alignment. Sha said their early reads, which clearly were meant more as conversation starters than definitive pronouncements backed by multiple pages of play, weren’t actually all that serious (which again just seems reasonable to me since it’s the early part of the game). Yet you “hate” the reaction? What I would ask you is how do you not think this is a bit over the top? I skimmed through some of your more recent posts - and now you’re constructing a universe for the game where I’m Scum because I thought maybe you pushed an argument a bit too far? Please. Unfortunately there’s an aggressiveness to it that I need to figure out where exactly it’s coming from, and whether it’s Scummy or not. I wouldn’t vote to heal you, that’s for sure.

i don't believe them
where did I construct a universe where you're scum? I think you are scummy but I don't think you HAVE to be.

@cakez Why is pooky town?

i like his tone a LOT from meta

[SirCakez]

Andres and Alisae are scummy but I don't think they are both scum
I guess Tris goes in townbin by virtue of most everyone else being scummier
Flea = ???

also, can you clarify on this @cakez? do you not have any other current townreads than tris? (and me i guess because you said you're happy w town me)

Noting this for when we know more about the setup, also a reminder that we don't know how many scum there are so "town by PoE" is not a great argument

i'm working on the presumption of two scum because that's like 95% of micros

[SirCakez]

lol what I have the same tone regardless of what alignment I am playing

I disagree because redacted

where did I construct a universe where you're scum? I think you are scummy but I don't think you HAVE to be.

You wrote that Alisae and I are Scummy but probably not both Scum. Alisae is actually reading me correctly, you’re not, yet we’re both Scummy. It’s completely manufactured.

I think the way Alisae is pumping you up is suspicious. I also don't think Alisae and your posting is very townie separately. That said I don't think Alisae would take this tactic if you were both scum.

[SirCakez]

I also don't really feel I've been very aggressive this game?

[SirCakez]

I also don't really feel I've been very aggressive this game?

Well you did call someone’s posting “gross” hahaha I would argue that’s probably more aggression than anyone else has shown thus far.

i think you just don't know me that well

@cakez Do you think pooky's tone is much different from divide and conquer?

at the moment yeah

[SirCakez]

i read up
cakez is acting how i expect scum to act w/ positioning

what does this even mean?

Flea be less vague pls. Give us some reads.

[SirCakez]

can someone actually explain how Sha's posting is "good"?

[SirCakez]

mmmm I guess I'm ok with tris being the choice

[SirCakez]

why make those posts in the first place if he thinks they're someone's going to scumread them?

because it's Hectic that's just what he does

It's what he does normally, but then suddenly gets self conscious about it??

:shrug:

Like have you read these posts?

i don't like 180 from andres, how he pointed out what alisae was doing and he was like oh... i'll still townread it... like he's trying to make himself look good etc etc

andres pinged me for what i explained, but he hasnt been around more to actually interact or say more. alisae already is making me go ? because of that normal game where e instantly clocked me for town and this game theyre like they dont trust me and idk, maybe i expect someone boasting about how well they can read me being able to tell that i'm town again fast enough and it's jarring to me that they're in opposite territory, pooky isn't inherently scummy but i don't like the way he's talking about the game basically and it's not any deeper than that.

those are the most concrete reasons i have to dislike people/not heal them.

I don't see how these come from a town!ydra

this doesn't make any sense

Post seems perfectly understandable to me.

Why are those posts not from town!Ydrasse? I don't know their meta at all.
It makes sense to those familiar with Ydrasse but I need context to it.

[SirCakez]

Why are those posts not from town!Ydrasse? I don't know their meta at all.
It makes sense to those familiar with Ydrasse but I need context to it.

i have no meta on ydra either, (don't really recall the marathon whatever)

but understand why e'd have problems with 197 especially.

can you elaborate?

[SirCakez]

SirCakez is

Holy Knight, Arcline

! He is a Healer!

AYYYYYY

[SirCakez]

not sure why I was picked given apparently both Ydra and Sha SR me?

[SirCakez]

HURT: Andres
HEAL: Sha

I think I'll start here

[SirCakez]

i actually do think i feel okay with alisae being included on a team even if e doesn't trust me, i wanna throw them in w me

so it'd be (for me)

ydrasse/tris/infinity/alisae/?

I like this comp
I still have qualms with Alisae but not enough to reject this
I feel pretty good about Ydra, Infinity, Tris

In fact both the Attacker and the Healer Leaders picked Alisae for their respective Teams. Why is that the one choice you’re looking to exclude?

Andres I'm not sure why you're being like this. I don't think alisae is obvious town and I explained my reasoning, I also would be ok having alisae in a team this is a pretty ??? reason to think I'm scum

You wanted to exclude me, and Alisae. I’m Town, I think Alisae is Town. More often than not, that means you’re Scum. This shouldn’t be so hard to grasp.

this is hot garbage

[SirCakez]

Ydra didn't pick you only Sha did

I just said both because I forgot who picked heal and who picked attackers

[SirCakez]

Andres' attacks on Infinity just seem so made up and scum motivated

[SirCakez]

Cakez if you don't stop playing like garbage with comments like "this is hot garbage" "Andres' attacks on Infinity just seem so made up and scum motivated" I'm actually going to get really irritated because I can't tell if ur just town who wants to play badly and wants to beat their own drum or scum or scum.

I ALWAYS PLAY LIKE THIS
nothing has changed!!!!!!

[SirCakez]

- Why is this hot garbage
- Why does andres' attacks seem made up
- Why do you hate Sha's reaction in 135? Why was their opening tonally weird?
- Why do you think Sha is scum? Nothing in between the post where you called out 135 and 397 really explains it
- Why do you think that them trying to ferret their way into my read on them is scum indicative when it seems like from a general skim they're just asking you questions because you're so fucking obtuse? Is this not what they're doing?
- Everything in here is fucking garbage

Half of these don't even have answers/have already been answered
ex; Andres' attacks seem scum motivated because Infinity is very likely town and thus scum need to make room for well scum. Not rocket science.
I talked about why Sha is scum
I'm not even addressing the other stuff here

[SirCakez]

I'm not gonna engage someone who is just screaming and ranting

[SirCakez]

our arguments are similar but I have reason for scumreading you outside of this interaction
I found most of your posts day 1 to be pretty scummy. I don't understand why you're so latched to Alisae. Your argument calling me overconfident was nonsensical. You did very little scumhunting outside of interactions with Alisae and I.

[SirCakez]

I found most of your posts day 1 to be pretty scummy.

Okay but why? I’m town and you’re wrong. So I want to understand if you’re just being insistent and Town, or actively trying to sabotage my positioning in the game.

I said why in the same post...

Your argument calling me overconfident was nonsensical. You did very little scumhunting outside of interactions with Alisae and I.

Except you are overconfident. You make pronouncements with little in the form of actual quotes and analysis. Which is fine some players play that way and don’t provide detailed explanations I don’t necessarily care for them either to be honest. But your entire view of the game seems dependent on me being Scum and if you’re going to insist on that narrative you’re going to cost us dearly. Because I know that excluding me there is not likely to win the game quickly.

But you know, in a way, if I get excluded and the game doesn’t end, then that helps me tremendously because if I were Scum, the odds that both my Partner and I are picked by a Town Leader are not super high. More often than not there’s only 1 Scum in a pool picked by a Town player.

That's just how I play. You are misreading my tone. Me saying something is "yikes" or "awful" does not mean I'm calling them lockscum. It's just how I talk. And I have never once said my view of the game revolves around you? It's just an argument that's been brought up recently.

And why do I have to be latched onto Alisae? Why can’t I just be right about a read? You seem to think only your reads are worth considering, and everybody else’s are either bad or coming from Scum with knowledge.

??????????
Just look at your ISO dude you constantly talk about Alisae and you say Alisae is your most certain townread. It's pretty obvious why I'm making this conclusion.

Andres why do you TR alisae?

Why is this directed at only me? Both Sha 77 and Ydrasse actively decided to put them in their Teams in a way that actually impacts the game. I just have a read. It’s mostly based on the fact that Alisae has read me correctly, and I agree with most of their views, and think I’ve been open. I am trying to figure out what I think about the frustration shown when they flipped out at Cakez to be honest - I think that can be easily faked. That escalation also in a way puts me in a situation where I feel like I have to defend them (since it’s against someone SR’ing me) and if Alisae is Scum, that’s a great way to maintain a pocket. But if that was the strategy it’s been the case since very early since they’ve voted to heal me for the first and the second slots, despite not getting any traction, and I don’t get what the benefit of all that was from a Scum!Alisae perspective.

Sha hasn't been back and Ydrasse has some sort of meta tell I think? Neither are terribly helpful.
Alisae is EXCELLENT at pocketing people as scum - e literally got town to claim masons with em as scum once

[SirCakez]

@Andres: Did you mention your town streak in the 10th or 11th game you rolled town?

You’ve already made up your kind so why do you care? Ask some of the players that have played with me see what they say. Or you can go read my games.

If you actually care about the answer, it’s actually yes. Repeatedly. Talked about it at length.

This reads like indignant scum tonally

// - Feels like he's concerned about Cakez scumreading him so is explaining why he said what he said and is attempting to change his mind

Let me very clear. I don’t give much of a shit about people SR me when I’m Town. I am more concerned about getting stuff right. Me expressing my uncertainty is just that. If SirCakez wants to maintain a position that’s wrong, that’s entirety up to them.

Then why are you getting so worked up over people SRing you here bro?

[SirCakez]

Sha why have you suddenly flipped your read on me when you were sold on me being scum day 1? just the Andres interactions

[SirCakez]

I don't see the point in continuing this argument you're just scum here

[SirCakez]

there's no point arguing with someone whose mind you won't change

[SirCakez]

I don't bus anymore Alisae

[SirCakez]

and how am I supposed to trust you?

ask anybody who has played with me recently

probly flea and andres?

See Pooky this is where I'm leaning but this feels too easy ya know?
Flea tried more than this as scum in Among Us

[SirCakez]

fuck I TR everyone else outside of Andres and Flea though

[SirCakez]

pooky
do you have my back this game?
you never do

[SirCakez]

Am I town by sheer anti-associative PoE here? amazing xD

I am known in 2/3 of my scumgames for high effort shenangians. I think I'm just struggling with mechanics here.

From what I can tell, both teams are going in, we just need to eliminate one person from each team and looking at Isis last vote, I think it's a group agreement that happens? I have no clue, honestly.

Sus rising on Inifinity though.

Why is Infinity sus?

[SirCakez]

pooky
do you have my back this game?
you never do

Cake I've literally always had your back

[SirCakez]

WAREHOUSE 13

[SirCakez]

I mean you literally challenged me to a fight to the death dude

I was alright just riding along in LLD's coat pocket and shitposting until you started trying to kill me out of nowhere

>.<

[SirCakez]

This is just to make a point. Alisae turning on me when there’s a lot of interest to exclude me is fascinating I have to say. I might be way in over my head this game just in terms of the players. Clearly the Scum have the advantage so let’s expose it.

what are you implying?

[SirCakez]

Besides me who do you suspect of being scum conspiring against you

[SirCakez]

You think Alisae turning on you is enough to toss your "near certain" scumread from earlier?

[SirCakez]

You think Alisae turning on you is enough to toss your "near certain" scumread from earlier?

I can’t with you.

I meant townread on Alisae here sorry

[SirCakez]

You think Alisae turning on you is enough to toss your "near certain" scumread from earlier?

I can’t with you.

I meant townread on Alisae here sorry

My reaction was with town read in that sentence. I understood what you meant. I’m still flabbergasted by your comment.

ok well that doesn't make any sense to me

I think I want to leave someone else out that's not Andres.

give us name pls

I'll read up and try and get back into this tonight

Usually promises like these are never met but I'll put my name as Sha 77 on the line, and I have a reputation to uphold

why you so absent mr Sha?

[SirCakez]

ok not really much happening here
Andres is still clearly the best to leave out

[SirCakez]

ok well that doesn't make any sense to me

Then I’ll explain it. I run through all my reads, and your instinct is to make a comment that’s just dismissive of the whole thing without trying to think through it. It’s not in good faith. So I’m not going to spend too much time trying to interact with you. If you have real questions I can help. Otherwise, not interested.

I read everything you posted and I did not see a good explanation for how this incident could completely overturn a "near-certain" read

Andres is still clearly the best to leave out

You should vote to make it happen then. After that, you only need 1 more vote to leave me out.

I'm already voting this I thought

[SirCakez]

I'm already voting this I thought

The vote that’s getting counted is you excluding Sha from their choices. If I’m not mistaken.

Oh I thought I could vote for both

@tris what do you want to do?

still catching up!!! but where im at my instinct is to exclude pooky

elaborate?
Pooky's lack of recent effort does have me a little eeked. He had stepped up more by this point in Warehouse.

Okay okay, I'll finish catching up in approximately 12 hours and try and come up with some sort of solve

Cakez voting to heal everyone but me in that 6 is hilarious, I haven't seen his reasoning for it yet, but:

If I'm scum, Cakez, won't I be more incentived to include my partner in my picks?

Not necessarily?

UNVOTE: all for now

[SirCakez]

Yeah I voted to leave you out because I thought you were pretty scummy yesterday this isn't news

[SirCakez]

why Flea?

[SirCakez]

My heart tells me that Infinity is the real scum here.
Not sure my brain is there yet.

????

[SirCakez]

Pooky do something dude
Pretend I'm the meme of the guy with the stick saying cmon do something

[SirCakez]

Do like what you did to me in Warehouse but like not to me lol

[SirCakez]

ok but you know we're not hunting for bad guys right now right lol

i mean
not in the sense of trying to elim them but I'm still trying to scumhunt here

I can't get over how bad Andres' flip on Alisae was. Seems like scum realizing their pocket was dumping them and doing the same back.

[SirCakez]

i have no idea what the fuck to do with Flea here

[SirCakez]

I guess?

[SirCakez]

HURT: Andres
In lack of something I feel better about

[SirCakez]

fuck this game is hard

[SirCakez]

I dislike that Pooky is not trying at all
Even with the excuse that he can't pressure people like a normal game I'm feeling a suspiciously low level of effort

[SirCakez]

I'm not making excuses

the game is not really moving at all

most of the players are inactive/not here

I'm not sure what you think I can do to change this or why you are blaming me for this.

I check this thread like 6 times a day and nothing ever happens

I disagree with the assertion that most other players are inactive/not here
Maybe Flea
But p much everyone else has done more than you today

[SirCakez]

My position is made
I want Andres out

[SirCakez]

I'm not making excuses

the game is not really moving at all

most of the players are inactive/not here

I'm not sure what you think I can do to change this or why you are blaming me for this.

I check this thread like 6 times a day and nothing ever happens

I disagree with the assertion that most other players are inactive/not here
Maybe Flea
But p much everyone else has done more than you today

I don't think we're living on the same planet lol

ok who else is doing less than you besides flea?

[SirCakez]

^

[SirCakez]

Why is Infinity scum?

[SirCakez]

Pooky could be partners with literally anyone this game imo

[SirCakez]

knew it

[SirCakez]

Haven't read but that was so dumb y'all

[SirCakez]

HURT: Infinity

let's just get something in

bad vote for reasons that are now evident

HURT: Infinity

Alright that’s enough. Not what I wanted but let’s just get on with it.

VOTE: andres

[SirCakez]

still have like 5 pages but I'd bet rn it's Andres/Pooky

[SirCakez]

I feel good about Ydrasse, Tris, Alisae so I am only really interested in Andres or Pooky

[SirCakez]

I was kind of hoping the game would end. Voting Pooky seems too easy - I did genuinely feel that there wasn’t much heated debate because the Scum probably couldn’t lose. There was just a lot of shading. We might want to consider whether Ydrasse is Town to be honest.

obvious widening of elim pool

The good thing about it I guess is that I think Infinity is highly likely to be Town. So I can drop my paranoia there and perhaps rely on their judgment a bit more.

then why did you vote them out of the team?

Do a backflip and post some of your usual towny goodness, Pooky

I want to see it too

im like getting the feeling andy actually believes the stuff he is saying cuz its so bad that only a bad townie could believe it. There's no way a scum just doubles down here right?

nah scum would double down here

[SirCakez]

we can't vote people not in the team right?

[SirCakez]

OK I've skimmed.

VOTE: Ydrasse is good for me rn.

don't like this choice

Like, this sums up how scum!Andres reacts to suspicion, and we've seen how he's reacted to it this game



VOTE: Pooky

he has been like this at points tho
like he yelled at me earlier saying that nothing he could do was good enough for me

[SirCakez]

still have like 5 pages but I'd bet rn it's Andres/Pooky

This is such an unrealistic solve it actually hurts my brain.

why?

then why did you vote them out of the team?

Because I wanted the damn day to end. Had you not had enough? We had days and days of going in circles and basically no content. And we all collectively waited almost until deadline. Like this question is

easily

answered if you like read the end of the voting period for the Team submission.

I did and your vote seemed extremely opportunistic.

im like getting the feeling andy actually believes the stuff he is saying cuz its so bad that only a bad townie could believe it.

I don’t see how else I’m supposed to interpret this post.

I think maybe my word choice was not good sorry, I mean more like "incorrect" than bad.

We can move on we’re good btw.

could easily be scum theatre

[SirCakez]

Ya where is everyone

i'm here but i have nothing to comment on atm

[SirCakez]

I am only interested in elimming inside of (Andres, Pooky, Flea)

[SirCakez]

hey there were posts here!
I don't think Ydrasse is scum here at all. Tonally she reads way too relaxed and chill with this game. I have this weird feeling scum are very uptight this game.

his readrate on her is like 100% or something stupid

we both know how irrelevant this is after TM

Guys guys guys
does Flea actually play like this as scum?
I think Flea doesn't play like this as scum.
I genuinely don't and I'm not sure they're scum.

he definitely could

it's probably andres + ?

This is so lazy.

Since you and SirCakez both want me dead, I have to think one of you is Scum. Everyone else has re-evaluated and is looking around. If I had run out of options for a push, I would be doing the same thing.

this is completely illogical
why are we scum for not reevaluating?

Nah, I haven't ruled out 5 town yet. It's possible both scum are outside but are really good hagglers, and managed to convince Isis to overlook the earlier "win"

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[SirCakez]

this game is going in circles
we need a flip here so badly it's been like a three week long day 1

[SirCakez]

he definitely could

fae*

aaa sorry Flea <.<

[SirCakez]

Guys guys guys
does Flea actually play like this as scum?
I think Flea doesn't play like this as scum.
I genuinely don't and I'm not sure they're scum.

fae definitely could

I think you've only seen my scumgame once, and this is my second low-post-count game... not sure how you could make a call on that, ngl.

I mean I think it's within your scum range
I said could not this is for sure what's happening
I'm not sure

[SirCakez]

saying i “have to” think one of me cakez is scum is such a weird choice of words

No it isn’t a weird choice of words. It would be one thing if SirCakez for example had landed on me as Scum as part of some sort of process, where they evaluated the information they had and concluded that they thought I made most sense as Scum this game. But that’s not what they’ve done at all. Instead, they’ve been calling me Scum consistently and without fail since 393 (when they called Alisae’s choice to heal me “wacky”, which was later solidified when they called us both Scummy but likely not both Scum in 404.

Since then, everything I’ve written, and every position I’ve expressed, has been described as bad or Scum or spun in that light. There’s numerous examples of this (627, 629, 640, 703, 712, 763, 862, 931, 1002, 1043, 1240, 1245, 1248, 1288). And this is despite other players, who have clearly taken the time to think through my alignment, such as Infinity and Sha 77, coming to a different conclusion. At some point this stops feeling like a player that is taking a principled stance and won’t change their mind, and begins to feel like Scum tunneling you to get ahead. I actually would prefer to get executed in this game only so that this shameless tunneling gets exposed for what it is. Ever since I described a reaction by SirCakez as an overreaction, they decided I should die. It’s evident if you just bothered to look.

They’ve also consistently defended or propped Ydrasse up, describe their tone as Towny and chill and so on. Since SirCakez already said that they don’t bus, then I would have to assume that there’s something there if Cakez flips Scum.

ok

[SirCakez]

you're basically saying I'm obligated to be townreading you because you've put a lot of effort in and other players are townreading you
that's just not how mafia works

[SirCakez]

wanna do Pooky Ydrasse?

[SirCakez]

Andres I need an alternative if not you
I'm open to elimming Pooky but everyone else just reads more town

[SirCakez]

your answer can't just be everyone is town man...

[SirCakez]

Andres I need an alternative if not you
I'm open to elimming Pooky but everyone else just reads more town

I don’t think Pooky will flip Scum. And I don’t have that many good alternatives. I don’t think I’m that off with Ydrasse but other players that know Ydrasse better seem to think that they’re Town so what do I know.

Realistically I can’t read Flea, to be totally honest, so that’s really anybody’s guess. And I’m going to agree with you that Alisae and Infinity at least very much feel like Town. I have to think collectively we’ve been fooled by someone, and that could very well be tris, but they just also seem like Town to me and I don’t know that I could ever go against them this early. Sha 77 frankly I was doubting earlier, but I don’t know, I could be pocketed by them changing their mind about me (and Scum do do this to me a lot for some reason), but they also read like Town to me.

So yeah I’m with you that I might just not come across as well as some of the other players here, but I also wouldn’t know how to appeal or be more widely TR by the actual players in the game, whereas some of the players here clearly know how to do that. So I would watch out for those blind spots. Other than that, I don’t know what to tell you.

don't think Pooky is scum
other players seem to think Ydrasse is town so what do I know
can't read Flea
Alisae feels town
Infinity feels town
Sha reads like town

so who is scum?

[SirCakez]

And why am I the only one getting this reaction? Why is Ydrasse not getting this reaction from you? Or the large number of players that appear stumped? I actually have a vote down. How do you know what other player really intend to do? Like this inconsistent behavior and just shading of me exclusively about stuff you should be pinning others on is annoying to say the least.

What is Ydrasse doing that should be getting this reaction from me?
she has declared scumreads and pushes

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Pooky

Sorry, I just don't have any scumreads and you feel the least town of the 5. This is a coinflip for me

this is basically where I'm at. figuring out the least town of the 5. I do like Andres' reach out to me recently. But I still think the others are townier :/

[SirCakez]

but i've pretty much only pushed Pooky and Andres today?

[SirCakez]

I dropped my Sha SR a while ago
Flea is still an IDK slot for me

[SirCakez]

uh ok
I can't really argue with that kind of logic

[SirCakez]

curses you foul scum for helping yeet me!
gg

[SirCakez]

the setup was really cool!

[SirCakez]

LIKE IVE SAID BEFORE
HE DOES NOT HAVE ANYONES BACK

[SirCakez]

LIKE IVE SAID BEFORE
HE DOES NOT HAVE ANYONES BACK

I got your back Cakes

YOU HELPED ALISAE MURDER ME!!!

[SirCakez]

LIKE IVE SAID BEFORE
HE DOES NOT HAVE ANYONES BACK

I got your back Cakes

YOU HELPED ALISAE MURDER ME!!!

e was very convincing and I am weak and easily influenced :<

HE BLAMES ALISAE
YEAH OK
MURDERBEAR