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Post Post #49  (isolation #0)  » Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:21 pm

prodge

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Post Post #50  (isolation #1)  » Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:26 pm

Ugh, I was prodded and there's 3 pages already. I joined this game thinking there would only be around 10 posts per day...

I'll catch up later.

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Post Post #55  (isolation #2)  » Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:19 pm

Okay, I'm here. Time to start trawling through this game.

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Post Post #57  (isolation #3)  » Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:22 pm

In post 14, SirCakez wrote:I and all members of my faction that are known to me and I to them, VOTE: VOTE: Isis and win the game
gg

This is an interesting first post. SirCakez attempts to make a joke in this post, referencing one of Isis's special rules.

  • The joke is lighthearted and innocent, and doesn't raise any red flags.
  • SirCakez is sloppy in executing it, using the vote tags twice. The lack of concern for how his posts looks is a good sign.

Overall, I think this is a slightly towny introduction to the game.

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Post Post #58  (isolation #4)  » Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:23 pm

In post 15, tris wrote:well, then vote for me duh
HEAL: tris

Another fascinating post. tris opts to self-vote in this post, declaring to all that she is town and should be voted for to be a friend of Isis.

  • The declaration of being town may be tris projecting, that she is infact town.

A slightly towny post.

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Post Post #59  (isolation #5)  » Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:25 pm

In post 16, Flea The Magician wrote:What on earth did I sign up for xD

Well yeah HEAL: Flea, The Magician makes sense here. Also I have no clue what 4 5 and 6 are about and ngl, I ain't that bothered lol

And then we come to see the Magician's entrance into the game.

  • The use of an xD is highly concerning and raises some orange flags to me. I'll see how the wind blows with this one.
  • The almost hesitant tone when self-voting faerself raises a few minor smoke detectors, it lacks the confidence tris emitted in her first post.

All in all, a slightly scummy post.

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Post Post #60  (isolation #6)  » Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:27 pm

In post 17, tris wrote:2 5 6 what?

tris is questioning Flea about faer use of numbers in the previous post.

  • An appropriate question.

A null post by any standards.

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Post Post #61  (isolation #7)  » Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:29 pm

In post 18, tris wrote:i'm not sure why i said 2 there

tris corrects herself on using the number 2 instead of 4.

  • This means tris read back on the post she just posted which scum often do, and could be scum!tris self-conscious about making such a silly error, therefore correcting it.
  • This post comes 17 seconds after the previous one, the quick response time puts a wrench in my theory about tris being nervous.

A mixed post overall.

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Post Post #62  (isolation #8)  » Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:30 pm

That's all the time I have for right now. I'll be back to catchup on more later.

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Post Post #64  (isolation #9)  » Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:54 pm

I gave up on catching up. You all simply post too much and I don't have time for this, I actually have a life.

After I gave up on catching up, I noticed post on page 3 come to view from one PookyTheMagicalBear. To him I say this:

"I have a plan to solve the game but I cannot reveal it until I have been eliminated. You'll see what I mean, just trust me."

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Post Post #74  (isolation #10)  » Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:06 pm

Aren't you really good at reading me, Infinity? You correctly read me We Need a Fifth with maximum precision.

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Post Post #76  (isolation #11)  » Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:15 pm

It's not as fun when everyone knows it's obviously me, I'd need more cover but everyone's gonna know it's me when it's an Isis game...

More people need to start secret alting, I townread secret alts by default btw so that's an incentive.

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Post Post #77  (isolation #12)  » Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:15 pm

This game is full of noobs, I don't want to play anymore.

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Post Post #81  (isolation #13)  » Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:17 pm

Yeah, it's not worth it this game, Pooky lol

Everyone here knows I'm pretty sure

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Post Post #83  (isolation #14)  » Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:22 pm

Let's althunt other people instead

That Andresmvb feels like a Luca Blight alt to me

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Post Post #85  (isolation #15)  » Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:12 pm

Because of the dead PT memes? They were quality

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Post Post #87  (isolation #16)  » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:01 pm

Nah, I love your sense of humour. Dry is good

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Post Post #88  (isolation #17)  » Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:04 pm

More althunting:

SirCakez - This could easily be Flavor Leaf. Feels like he's setting up for the endgame and juggling an agenda, and Flava does that as both alignments

Infinity - Pretty sure this is a Hopkirk alt. In the we need a fifth game, she made sure that she accused me of being a Hopkirk alt. I don't see why she does that unless she's giving herself cover for being Hopkirk

tris - Reads kind of like Ydrasse to me? Gives a similar vibe like she wants to check our vibes

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Post Post #109  (isolation #18)  » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:52 am

[v]Conspiracy[v]

Checking to see if this resets votes?

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Post Post #110  (isolation #19)  » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:53 am

VOTE: Conspiracy

Or Isis just discounted the earlier votes because they weren't full names

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Post Post #111  (isolation #20)  » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:58 am

SirCakez=cakez

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Post Post #112  (isolation #21)  » Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:59 am

Andresvmb=andres

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Post Post #113  (isolation #22)  » Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:00 am

Infinity 324=infinity

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Post Post #135  (isolation #23)  » Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:30 pm

My observations were exaggerated and memes lol, not serious at all

Maybe the only one that was serious is the Flea self-conscious observation

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Post Post #138  (isolation #24)  » Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:31 pm

Many times, and perhaps

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Post Post #139  (isolation #25)  » Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:32 pm

I'm drinking some refined milk tea as I wait for someone to townslip

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Post Post #141  (isolation #26)  » Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:36 pm

Sans Undertale and Hectic are lesser known alts of mine

Player with fae in Binding of Isaac mafia recently

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Post Post #142  (isolation #27)  » Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:38 pm

*played

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Post Post #145  (isolation #28)  » Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:45 pm

Yeah, it's my least proud alt though so I don't like to talk about and I'm a little insecure about it. Let's keep this within the game please

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Post Post #146  (isolation #29)  » Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:46 pm

In post 144, tris wrote:what about my self-vote :(

You can have a 1% more likely to be town point

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Post Post #148  (isolation #30)  » Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:08 pm

Would you tell me if I was 8 layers in?

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Post Post #151  (isolation #31)  » Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:53 pm

HMMMMMMMMMMMM

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Post Post #152  (isolation #32)  » Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:02 pm

In post 149, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 139, Sha 77 wrote:I'm drinking some refined milk tea as I wait for someone to townslip

what the fluff is refined milk? lol

It's like milk, but with a bit of class

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Post Post #162  (isolation #33)  » Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:04 pm

The tone was faked, Cakezy

What do you hate about that reaction? You think those observations were serious?

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Post Post #165  (isolation #34)  » Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:45 pm

Kinda weird you use slay as a synynom for befriend but I'll roll with it, Pooky

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Post Post #229  (isolation #35)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:12 am

Ydrasse... are you waltzing once more?

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Post Post #233  (isolation #36)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:15 am

hi tris

HEAL: tris

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Post Post #237  (isolation #37)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:18 am

The magical sword of who????

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Post Post #240  (isolation #38)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:20 am

You remember that super secret tell I thought I had in finally figuring out how to read you? It's in effect this game. I guess this'll be the real test on whether it works

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Post Post #241  (isolation #39)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:21 am

Take me to lylo and mislaunch me

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Post Post #243  (isolation #40)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:22 am

Hmm... about that

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Post Post #246  (isolation #41)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:24 am

Wouldn't I be healing you if it were a towntell?

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Post Post #250  (isolation #42)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:25 am

In post 244, tris wrote:yes?

What happened to your cat that would pop up in your avatar for 1 frame every 30 seconds?

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Post Post #251  (isolation #43)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:26 am

In post 249, Ydrasse wrote:whatever it is it'll be proven wrong post-game so it's just something i have to deal with you thinking this game

We shall see!

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Post Post #253  (isolation #44)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:27 am

In post 248, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:When I get my hands on the Magic Sword you're in srs trouble Dragon Boy

Is this magical sword of suspicion real or in jest btw

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Post Post #256  (isolation #45)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:28 am

What

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Post Post #258  (isolation #46)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:28 am

Oh

tris was a pirate

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Post Post #260  (isolation #47)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:29 am

In post 257, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 253, Sha 77 wrote:
In post 248, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:When I get my hands on the Magic Sword you're in srs trouble Dragon Boy

Is this magical sword of suspicion real or in jest btw


are you scared of the magic sword!?

I am intrigued by its origin story and would like to write a thesis on it

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Post Post #261  (isolation #48)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:30 am

In post 259, tris wrote:this was the culmination of the evolution until i went back to the start
Image

I was blessed (cursed?) to never see this final form

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Post Post #263  (isolation #49)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:31 am

In post 252, Ydrasse wrote:it's more like we're going to know than we're gonna see

One thing: How do you feel about Flea right now?

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Post Post #267  (isolation #50)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:35 am

In post 265, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 263, Sha 77 wrote:
In post 252, Ydrasse wrote:it's more like we're going to know than we're gonna see

One thing: How do you feel about Flea right now?


meh

i always think flea is scummy when i try to read fae's posts, got the same pings this time around again but wanted to give it time before i went down that path to see if it's the same thing happening again or if i have more reason to believe those pings

Mm, I agree with that sentiment

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Post Post #268  (isolation #51)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:36 am

In post 266, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 264, tris wrote:how can the dragon be scum if it's voting for me


because he knows you won't use the magic sword on him and he fears that I will!

Pooky, you have no votes

You need a better marketing team

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Post Post #275  (isolation #52)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:38 am

I have no fear! I do have interest in determining your alignment however, which includes ascertaining whether your suspicions of me are real or in jest

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Post Post #283  (isolation #53)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:45 am

This soul channel feels like a high speed fibre optic connection

Okay, I'll look into your soul, Pooky:


Spoiler: Pooky's soul
FORTUNE FORTUNE FORTUNE FORTUNE FORTUNE FORTUNE FORTUNE FORTUNE FORTUNEFORTUNE FORTUNE FORTUNE FORTUNE FORTUNE FORTUNE FOREVER


Uh, I think there's some interference on your end, Pooky?

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Post Post #284  (isolation #54)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:45 am

In post 282, Ydrasse wrote:i am yea

You're not yea, you're Ydrasse?

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Post Post #288  (isolation #55)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:49 am

Are you considering voting her over yourself?

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Post Post #292  (isolation #56)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:54 am

Her and Flea are the only players that've pinged me this game, while you've done a fair amount of towny things

It would've been worrying if you were suggesting voting her over yourself but that makes more sense

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Post Post #294  (isolation #57)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:55 am

lol okay i guess indeed

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Post Post #295  (isolation #58)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:56 am

If the notion of a mysterious tell sounds stupid, you can just take it as ~vibes~ if you like

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Post Post #297  (isolation #59)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:57 am

Are you up for talking about your reads right now if it helps me get a better handle on you?

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Post Post #299  (isolation #60)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:59 am

In post 197, Ydrasse wrote:i don't like from andres, how he pointed out what alisae was doing and he was like oh... i'll still townread it... like he's trying to make himself look good etc etc

Why did that comment from andres look like it was hin trying to make himself look towny?

I thought it was towny for him to debate about it in the post and then townread Ali for it anyway

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Post Post #303  (isolation #61)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:04 am

In post 196, Ydrasse wrote:i like cakez (i think that uhhh... cakez always looks scummy from my experience w him at least on a base level tone thing but i like how he's been, even if it is reactive i don't think scum cakez gets reactive/defensive that fast?) infinity (121 was good despite me going ? a bit at the start), sha (he's having some jokey fun, little towny for him)

What did you mean that you don't think scum!Cakez gets reactive/defensive that fast? He only asked andres how he was overreacting as far as I can see

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Post Post #305  (isolation #62)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:06 am

Your responses are lightning quick and reasonable... I'm already starting to feel I'm wrong and the tell might be absolute garbage lol

HURT: tris for now

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Post Post #307  (isolation #63)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:07 am

In post 296, Ydrasse wrote:ok then

i assume youre gonna protest me being healed

if that's the case w/e i'll just vote tris and we can move past this because i dont have the energy nor the want to try and convince you that youre wrong when itll be proven later

I also thought this reaction was fairly towny

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Post Post #309  (isolation #64)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:07 am

I forgive you for forgiving me

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Post Post #310  (isolation #65)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:08 am

Being yourself? I wouldn't scumread you for you being you, silly

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Post Post #313  (isolation #66)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:12 am

Don't worry, it was nothing like that

I also think you not feeling the need to fake any suspicioun on my alignment whatsoever during this whole thing is really town-indicative. Scum usually feel the need to fake some sort of doubt on their accuser as to not look informed that they know they're town

HEAL: Ydrasse

sorry, tris, I've completely 190ed on this

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Post Post #316  (isolation #67)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:15 am

I don't mind if you hammered and skyrocketed us to the next phase honestly

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Post Post #320  (isolation #68)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:17 am

Damn, I forgot you need to be the hammer for a better chance of being in Isis's flavour (iirc)

I played this day phase really poorly

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Post Post #321  (isolation #69)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:18 am

We are all Isis's friends on this blessed day

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Post Post #324  (isolation #70)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:20 am

In post 322, tris wrote:at this point, it feels very unlikely that this is a we need a fifth type set up

What you mean with half the players being scum?

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Post Post #329  (isolation #71)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:22 am

HEAL: Conspiracy

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Post Post #347  (isolation #72)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:14 am

HEAL: tris

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Post Post #350  (isolation #73)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:52 am

Depends on if you can sell us on your dancing moves, Pooky

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Post Post #357  (isolation #74)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:00 am

What about her follow ups when I asked her to elaborate on them?

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Post Post #360  (isolation #75)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:14 am

In post 181, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 179, Andresvmb wrote:my best bet at correctly guessing someone’s alignment is probably Ydrasse


Yeah she just has to post!

I thought the reads were a little too much for this stage of the game too, but this sentiment probably made her feel the need to out more thoughts than she normally would, regardless of her alignment

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Post Post #364  (isolation #76)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:28 am

Your reasons are like very similar to part of why I was getting pinged by her, Ali

Did you see her responses to me though? She was answering in like <1min with reasonable stuff which elaborated on those

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Post Post #381  (isolation #77)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:37 pm

In post 366, Alisae wrote:I'm not sure what the difference is between ""i think this is anti-town behavior but i still scumread it" and "I don’t know whether to TR this anti-Town behavior. I kind want to."
I'm also having trouble understanding why her response times matter here. Would they be slower if she was scum?

Probably? I just pinned her as scum very confidently and earlyish in another game, so I'd think she'd be a little more apprehensive about giving her answers if she was scum here

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Post Post #384  (isolation #78)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:39 pm

In post 372, Alisae wrote:
In post 368, Infinity 324 wrote:Ydrasse feels like she's expressing herself more confidently than I'd expect from scum!ydra
Hectic/Sha do you think this has value?

Yeah, it does actually. Scum!Ydrasse expresses reads with some uncertainty and feels less sure on them tonally

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Post Post #385  (isolation #79)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:40 pm

What do you think of me, Ydrasse?

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Post Post #388  (isolation #80)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:47 pm

Okay, but the question is would you put your faith in the heart of the cards for me being Isis's lab partner?

HEAL: Sha 77

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Post Post #396  (isolation #81)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:50 pm

I like the Ydrasse/tris/Sha townbloc, and honestly, I think Ali's suspicions come from a place of good faith too

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Post Post #399  (isolation #82)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:52 pm

Why is what gross, Cakez? Why aren't I just town who's happy with a townbloc that has me and someone who's likely town in it?

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Post Post #401  (isolation #83)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:52 pm

*that

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Post Post #402  (isolation #84)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:53 pm

In post 393, SirCakez wrote:because it's Hectic that's just what he does

You ever played with scum!me?

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Post Post #407  (isolation #85)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:56 pm

Can you quantity what is "gross" about my posting instead of just calling it that?

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Post Post #410  (isolation #86)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:57 pm

I don't like Cakez (this isn't OMGUS, I swear)

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Post Post #419  (isolation #87)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:00 pm

In post 416, SirCakez wrote:
In post 406, Ydrasse wrote:ferret? like, try to get you to reverse it?

yes
In post 407, Sha 77 wrote:Can you quantity what is "gross" about my posting instead of just calling it that?

next post

lol I'm trying to get you to elaborate on your read so I can read you, how is that "ferreting"?

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Post Post #423  (isolation #88)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:02 pm

In post 405, SirCakez wrote:
In post 402, Sha 77 wrote:
In post 393, SirCakez wrote:because it's Hectic that's just what he does

You ever played with scum!me?

idk prolly? I don't remember my old games much

I don't like Cakez handwaving this argument from tris:
In post 209, tris wrote:why make those posts in the first place if he thinks they're someone's going to scumread them?


When he doesn't actually have any memory of scum!me and whether I'd do the same thing

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Post Post #425  (isolation #89)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:03 pm

Cakez, I care very little about changing your mind. Well, I do if you're town, but all of those questions were asked because I care more about reading your alignment

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Post Post #432  (isolation #90)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:07 pm

In post 428, Infinity 324 wrote:@ydrasse I feel like he does have to go through some sort of process to sort you as scum? I'm expecting that of him, probably so are you. Maybe he just calls you town but I would've been a bit sus because it's important that the heal goes on town. It's possible I don't know hectic well enough and I'm overthinking this but yeah.

I probably give actual reasons rather than some mysterious tell if I want to pretend to call her scum for a bit tbh

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Post Post #436  (isolation #91)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:10 pm

Wait, really? Huh...

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Post Post #437  (isolation #92)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:12 pm

I give up, I don't get it lol

not that we can discuss this anyway

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Post Post #438  (isolation #93)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:16 pm

Ydrasse
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SirCakez

Pooky's null. Flea is nullscum because fae haven't tried to solve yet, and that seems uncharacteristic for town!Flea. SirCakez is a scumlean because I don't like the reasoning for his scumread (me asking him for reasons to scumread me is read as trying to get him to reverse his read on me, rather than just figure out his alignment)

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Post Post #440  (isolation #94)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:20 pm

In post 434, Infinity 324 wrote:My read on hectic is influenced by ongoing games

Wait, FBI mafia is over?!?!?!? I'm confused what you mean by this

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Post Post #442  (isolation #95)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:21 pm

You're just a little behind, my Andres

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Post Post #446  (isolation #96)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:26 pm

In post 379, Infinity 324 wrote:
Spoiler: theory
Every gut instinct comes from somewhere. There is something you're noticing about someone's posting that you believe would be different if they were scum/town, so your goal in explaining a gut read is to find it. Sometimes it can feel like a guess, but if you practice trying to put it into words you can get better at it. You can also compare gut reads from different games and try to see what they have in common which can help too. For example a common type of gut read for me that I didn't know how to express at first was the "fake nuance" post, where scum writes more words than they really need to express something and are using that to either hedge or look town. That's not a perfect expression of the read, and you can never get to perfect with gut reads (see my sig), but you can definitely get better. At the very least, you can maybe make someone go "hmm that seems believable" if not "I'm sold, ship it"

I completely agree with this btw. Figuring out why you have that gutread and articulating it is an essential skill that you only really learn by just playing more and more

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Post Post #448  (isolation #97)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:28 pm

In post 439, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 160, SirCakez wrote:Sha77 may legitimately be scum
Their opening was tonally weird and I hate this reaction

This just seemed too overconfident for me. Like you’re trying to get into a fight and not solve someone’s alignment. Sha said their early reads, which clearly were meant more as conversation starters than definitive pronouncements backed by multiple pages of play, weren’t actually all that serious (which again just seems reasonable to me since it’s the early part of the game). Yet you “hate” the reaction? What I would ask you is how do you not think this is a bit over the top? I skimmed through some of your more recent posts - and now you’re constructing a universe for the game where I’m Scum because I thought maybe you pushed an argument a bit too far? Please. Unfortunately there’s an aggressiveness to it that I need to figure out where exactly it’s coming from, and whether it’s Scummy or not. I wouldn’t vote to heal you, that’s for sure.

For example: I was gutpinged by this post, and then realised it was because Andres was expressing his suspicions of Cakez directly to him, rather than to everyone else. I've seen that come from scum sometimes where they feel the need to convince the person they're scumreading that their scumread is genuine, and I've found myself doing it too at times. Would have to look at meta to see if it's actually alignment-indicative for Andres though

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Post Post #449  (isolation #98)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:31 pm

In post 444, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 440, Sha 77 wrote:
In post 434, Infinity 324 wrote:My read on hectic is influenced by ongoing games

Wait, FBI mafia is over?!?!?!? I'm confused what you mean by this


/shrug

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Post Post #454  (isolation #99)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:38 pm

In post 450, Andresvmb wrote:@Sha I have yet to play Scum on this forum, so you’ll have to go find some of my Scum games in the first place I started playing Mafia on. I quoted back a game with Alisae I played in this very game - you can find some Scum games from me there.

I'm not so desperate yet, but if it ever comes to a lylo situation where it's do or die, I'll do that

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Post Post #456  (isolation #100)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:39 pm

In post 453, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:lol what I have the same tone regardless of what alignment I am playing

Until you 1v1 me gromble gramble

Oh yeah, so why did you pursue it in that game then, Pooky? You kept saying scum!you never does it, so I'm actually interested in why you did

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Post Post #458  (isolation #101)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:43 pm

2rqui3uwrrfkuah;FWO9IQWQ

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Post Post #459  (isolation #102)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:43 pm

For fun?

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Post Post #461  (isolation #103)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:44 pm

awww

I don't get the logic behind it but <3

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Post Post #465  (isolation #104)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:53 pm

We need a rerun so we can instantly trust fall out of the game, or even better, stay as ICs to troll power-solve

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Post Post #470  (isolation #105)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:09 pm

You should definitely sheep Ali, I've heard really great things about some of their reads this game

Pooky, why aren't you helping me be Isis's lab partner?

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Post Post #473  (isolation #106)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:15 pm

I don't think she expressed it with particular confidence

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Post Post #474  (isolation #107)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:15 pm

In post 472, Isis wrote:
In post 440, Sha 77 wrote:
In post 434, Infinity 324 wrote:My read on hectic is influenced by ongoing games

Wait, FBI mafia is over?!?!?!? I'm confused what you mean by this


Site rules prohibit discussing which ongoing game(s) influence the current game.

Gotcha

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Post Post #476  (isolation #108)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:17 pm

I'm a dragon lol, what're some harmless chemicals gonna do to my 77 scales

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Post Post #480  (isolation #109)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:24 pm

PookyTheMagicalBear=soul mason

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Post Post #482  (isolation #110)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:25 pm

Andres, if Flea is scum who just hasn't been feeling this game yet, do you really expect faer partner(s) to be pushing a heal onto Flea? I don't think the absence of interest makes someone more likely to be town alone

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Post Post #489  (isolation #111)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:54 pm

In post 486, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 482, Sha 77 wrote:Andres, if Flea is scum who just hasn't been feeling this game yet, do you really expect faer partner(s) to be pushing a heal onto Flea? I don't think the absence of interest makes someone more likely to be town alone

I disagree - I think it does. Beyond that, Flea actively campaigned against themselves. They’re the only player to do it. Self-voting is technically optimal right, since the only alignment you know for certain is your own. Actively campaigning against yourself is sub-optimal. But in a game with few Scum (it’s only 9 of us, 3 Scum or more seems like a ridiculous reach with powers up for grabs), eliminating yourself from contention seems like a bad idea. At least you wouldn’t rule yourself out, right? So it’s probably Town. That’s my logic.

I don't think that's particularly hard to fake as scum, telling people to not to heal yourself I mean. With the aim being that people townread you for your lack of care of being friended. I see your point and maybe it's slightly more likely to be genuine than a gambit, but it's not much more likely

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Post Post #490  (isolation #112)  » Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:00 pm

I think it's a lot safer to read people off their content and solving. Like Flea could absolutely be scum if fae just decided to go with that uncaring attitude as scum this game, it wouldn't surprise me at all.

But for someone like tris for example to be scum, she would've had to fake: a lot of fine solving, her tone (which is towny), her confidence in asking for heals in a natural way, and her willingness to heal Ydrasse when she was the other in contention for it. I'd be a lot more suprised if she was scum.

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Post Post #514  (isolation #113)  » Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:54 am

Yeah, I agree, Flea. If you're scum, you just haven't really bothered to do anything and this isn't a gambit where you're hoping people will somehow heal your uncaring attitude, that just seems so unlikely to actually happen.

Is being lazy really a towntell for you though? Every game I've seen of town!you you've done those KAMEHAMEHA walls pretty early

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Post Post #515  (isolation #114)  » Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:55 am

You should hammer me Infinity and this game is basically a wrap with Ydrasse and I having all this mysterious town power

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Post Post #517  (isolation #115)  » Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:58 am

I predict the first time you play with scum!me I won't be this obvtown, I usually don't ever top post as scum. I don't think I've ever ended a game being top poster as scum actually

Also I haven't rolled scum this year yet (not kidding) so I'll probably be rusty

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Post Post #521  (isolation #116)  » Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:42 am

In post 111, Sha 77 wrote:SirCakez=cakez

In post 112, Sha 77 wrote:Andresvmb=andres

In post 113, Sha 77 wrote:Infinity 324=infinity

Isis, did you get these or was I day-roleblocked?

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Post Post #664  (isolation #117)  » Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:49 pm

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Post Post #668  (isolation #118)  » Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:55 pm

Alright, so overnight, in light of the grand decision I had to make, I reread the game and Andres sort of just felt like obvscum to me. I had a lot of issues with the reasoning for his reads and his tone, so I just looked for his partner for the second person to exclude

tris and Infinity were always in for being towny, and had no bad associations with Andres

Alisae is townish, but pushed to heal Andres. Normally I'd say a push like that would actually be -partnerindicative, but for Alisae I'm not sure, since e loves to play to scum agenda as scum

Andres pushes to heal Flea in a really strange way and makes me believe scum!Andres is telling the truth here in that he wouldn't push a partner in this fashion

Andres pushes Cakez in a pretty bad way and not a way that looks like some light bussing, I also don't like the reasoning there (will go into this more later probably)

Andres and Pooky don't mention each at all for the entire game, not even once...

So I left Pooky out on the assumption Andres was scum, since I was basically trying to find the full solve overnight. Okay, now to reread Andres and why I thought he was so scummy overnight and see if I still feel that way

pedit: I'm sorry, Pooky, you were simply null to me and it was mostly for the above reasons I did. Also, I had a feeling Ydrasse would pick you because you're Pooky, and this way it gives us more options

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Post Post #671  (isolation #119)  » Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:57 pm

In post 171, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 121, Infinity 324 wrote:Andres is not posting because he's not confident in his scumgame

Or maybe I was busy around MY BIRTHDAY haha

To be honest, I think my Scum game is kind of decent. Not great, but decent. It’s a shame this is my 12th consecutive game rolling Town. What the hell man.

This was the first post that pinged me. Making sure to mention the fact this was his 12th game in a row rolling town, and the "what the hell man" at the end especially reads very off

@Andres: Did you mention your town streak in the 10th or 11th game you rolled town?

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Post Post #675  (isolation #120)  » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:01 pm

In post 439, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 160, SirCakez wrote:Sha77 may legitimately be scum
Their opening was tonally weird and I hate this reaction

This just seemed too overconfident for me. Like you’re trying to get into a fight and not solve someone’s alignment. Sha said their early reads, which clearly were meant more as conversation starters than definitive pronouncements backed by multiple pages of play, weren’t actually all that serious (which again just seems reasonable to me since it’s the early part of the game). Yet you “hate” the reaction? What I would ask you is how do you not think this is a bit over the top? I skimmed through some of your more recent posts - and now you’re constructing a universe for the game where I’m Scum because I thought maybe you pushed an argument a bit too far? Please. Unfortunately there’s an aggressiveness to it that I need to figure out where exactly it’s coming from, and whether it’s Scummy or not. I wouldn’t vote to heal you, that’s for sure.


// - Feels like he's concerned about Cakez scumreading him so is explaining why he said what he said and is attempting to change his mind

// - Feels the need to clarify he's not healing Cakez under any circumstances - why clarify this? It just feels tonally off

Admittedly, I'm struggling to articulate what feels scummy about this exactly, but it just feels off

pedit: I scumread you, Andres, but I'm not incapable of changing my mind if I'm wrong

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Post Post #677  (isolation #121)  » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:04 pm

In post 455, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 451, SirCakez wrote:where did I construct a universe where you're scum? I think you are scummy but I don't think you HAVE to be.

You wrote that Alisae and I are Scummy but probably not both Scum. Alisae is actually reading me correctly, you’re not, yet we’re both Scummy. It’s completely manufactured.

What does this mean? Since Alisae is reading Andres as town, Cakez shouldn't be reading both of them as scummy? The logic makes no sense to me

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Post Post #680  (isolation #122)  » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:07 pm

In post 468, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 342, Flea The Magician wrote:do not vote me :3 we do not need me being in charge of explosions

This makes me want to vote you. In fact I’ll do just that.

HEAL: Flea The Magician

I don’t think this is reverse psychology, so it’s probably just a Townie shying away from responsibility. We should consider it.

Flimsy reason to heal someone. I don't think anyone picked up on Flea being likely town for this extremely short and easy to fake line. scum!Andres has TMI or is just faking this push, but it's a struggle to believe he actually thinks this

In post 469, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 367, Alisae wrote:HEAL: Sha 77

I’m happy sheeping you here too. I think Alisae is likely to be Town here.

Happy to sheep Alisae on me, but not just heal Alisae directly? The thought processes just don't seem natural here

In post 471, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 383, Ydrasse wrote:though it'd be very funny if alisae and andres were some sort of scum faction together and i pinned them like that

This is bad. I can’t tell whether you’re misguided or Scum, but I find it fascinating that this early you think you’ve correctly figured out the Scum Team with such confidence.

Ydrasse said it with not a lot of confidence at all, she just humoured it. This is another thing that just makes me go ???

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Post Post #682  (isolation #123)  » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:08 pm

In post 481, Andresvmb wrote:And even if you find me Scummy, you can probably guess that I wouldn’t so openly push my Partner as the selection when they haven’t been close to the leading vote getter.

This feels like something scum are so much more likely to say, given it's a perspective that comes so much easier from scum, while as town, you'd have to actively think this is an issue for others and put yourself in that perspective

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Post Post #684  (isolation #124)  » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:11 pm

In post 681, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 677, Sha 77 wrote:
In post 455, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 451, SirCakez wrote:where did I construct a universe where you're scum? I think you are scummy but I don't think you HAVE to be.

You wrote that Alisae and I are Scummy but probably not both Scum. Alisae is actually reading me correctly, you’re not, yet we’re both Scummy. It’s completely manufactured.

What does this mean? Since Alisae is reading Andres as town, Cakez shouldn't be reading both of them as scummy? The logic makes no sense to me

Alisae was one of the few players at that stage (i) reading me correctly and (ii) actively defending me. You’ll notice Ydrasse had a SR of my slot, and SirCakez was attacking me. SR’ing the one player that’s defending me while also attacking me is a classic way of diminishing Alisae’s ability to sway the rest of the Town into a correct read of my slot. Because yeah maybe I’m Town, but then Alisae is Scum, so can they be trusted? It pushes both of us to the fringe. That’s why I was extremely skeptical of that.

Why does scum!Cakez base all of his reads around attacking you? You're saying he's scumreading Alisae just so he can disregard Alisae's read on you and also scumreasd you, but purpose that does serve him during a phase where people are looking for town and neither you or Alisae are in contention anyway?

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Post Post #685  (isolation #125)  » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:11 pm

*what purpose does that serve him

I'm so scatterbrained right now lol

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Post Post #688  (isolation #126)  » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:14 pm

My ideal 5 right now would be Sha/tris/Infinity/Alisae/Flea

Or Ydrasse/tris/Infinity/Alisae

huh, the 5th for Ydrasse is a tough one - it's Andres who I think is scum, or Pooky that's null and a complete wildcard

I guess it'd have to be Pooky obviously

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Post Post #689  (isolation #127)  » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:16 pm

In post 687, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 684, Sha 77 wrote:Why does scum!Cakez base all of his reads around attacking you? You're saying he's scumreading Alisae just so he can disregard Alisae's read on you and also scumreasd you, but purpose that does serve him during a phase where people are looking for town and neither you or Alisae are in contention anyway?

That was early - you don’t know this. Of course it serves a purpose. This is like asking why would Scum try to make it harder for the rest of the Town to vote one of their own? I don’t know, to win?

But was anyone else agreeing with Cakez? Were you or Alisae likely to be healed despite what Cakez was saying? Did Cakez push for himself to be healed? No to all

So I'm not sure how you can get a narrative for that being a useful scum motivation for Cakez

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Post Post #693  (isolation #128)  » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:21 pm

In post 691, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 680, Sha 77 wrote:Ydrasse said it with not a lot of confidence at all, she just humoured it. This is another thing that just makes me go ???

Why did you ignore my correction that came soon thereafter?

Because I called you out on it lol

If you do something scummy and get called out on it, you can correct it, sure, but it doesn't make the first instance any less scummy or gone

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Post Post #694  (isolation #129)  » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:22 pm

Anyway, this isn't the time or place for a toxic 1v1 and I'm going back to playing TFT Set 5 on the PBE :]

I haven't read up on the day yet because I've been somewhat distracted but I'd like to see what people think of this assessment on Andres. When I was reading overnight it sort of just clicked for me and I was thinking "oh wow, this is obviously scum, I don't know how I didn't see this earlier", but now reading back, it's not as clear to me as it was then, but I still have a scumread there. The main thing that I just don't believe on his side is that push to HEAL Flea - it makes so much more sense to someone who's informed about Flea's alignment and thinks it's a towny push to make, and also that scumread on Cakez feels really flawed. Otherwise, it's just tonal reasons.

Okay, love you, Andres, bye

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Post Post #698  (isolation #130)  » Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:23 pm

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Post Post #843  (isolation #131)  » Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:49 am

I'll read up and try and get back into this tonight

Usually promises like these are never met but I'll put my name as Sha 77 on the line, and I have a reputation to uphold

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Post Post #850  (isolation #132)  » Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:31 pm

Hello hello

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Post Post #851  (isolation #133)  » Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:32 pm

Perfection itself

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Post Post #852  (isolation #134)  » Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:39 pm

In post 579, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 576, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 574, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 572, Infinity 324 wrote:Flea why did you hammer I told people to wait for the VC :(

HURT: alisae for now, mainly because I'm paranoid of em and I feel varying degrees of comfortable with everyone else on the attackers list. I'd be ok leaving out pooky or maybe andres as well

I think this is Scum.


Why?

Because Alisae is Town. I’m like almost certain of it. It’s the only strong read I have. So this guarantees there will be Scum almost among the choices to be made that could end the game.

Andres calling someone scum for disagreeing with a read of his is preeeeetty bad. Everyone who thinks Alisae could be scum is also scum?+*!€$^;3=&¥%¥%

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Post Post #853  (isolation #135)  » Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:40 pm

Maybe I shouldn't do a post by post catchup thing since a lot of stuff will probably have been talked about

Your new avatar is concerning to me, tris

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Post Post #854  (isolation #136)  » Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:41 pm

In post 588, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 586, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 583, Infinity 324 wrote:PEdit: andres idgi, if alisae is town we can still form an all-town bloc yeah?

The more obvious Town you exclude, the harder it is to win. I wouldn’t vote for a single team without Alisae in it. That’s my stand.

Now, they voted to Heal me a lot. I need to be careful and hope I’m not pocketed. I’m known to be a little loud, and I can certainly be wrong. So I will re-read. But just my gut instinct was always extremely positive on Alisae.

This reads so fake... the whole pocketing paranoia and the way it's worded

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Post Post #855  (isolation #137)  » Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:42 pm

In post 589, tris wrote:i am really curious why sha777 made the choices he made

tris probably aligned with sha 77 "accidentally" adding an extra 7 to distance

I guarantee this will be original content

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Post Post #856  (isolation #138)  » Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:46 pm

In post 631, Alisae wrote:Cakez if you don't stop playing like garbage with comments like "this is hot garbage" "Andres' attacks on Infinity just seem so made up and scum motivated" I'm actually going to get really irritated because I can't tell if ur just town who wants to play badly and wants to beat their own drum or scum or scum.
None of your posts actually address the why.
- Why is this hot garbage
- Why does andres' attacks seem made up
- Why do you hate Sha's reaction in 135? Why was their opening tonally weird?
- Why do you think Sha is scum? Nothing in between the post where you called out 135 and 397 really explains it
- Why do you think that them trying to ferret their way into my read on them is scum indicative when it seems like from a general skim they're just asking you questions because you're so fucking obtuse? Is this not what they're doing?
- Everything in here is fucking garbage
In post 421, SirCakez wrote:
In post 135, Sha 77 wrote:My observations were exaggerated and memes lol, not serious at all

Maybe the only one that was serious is the Flea self-conscious observation

I already talked about this but this post felt tonally off, too worried about perception of themself
In post 162, Sha 77 wrote:The tone was faked, Cakezy

What do you hate about that reaction? You think those observations were serious?

Immediately dives on me to try to get me to change my mind
In post 396, Sha 77 wrote:I like the Ydrasse/tris/Sha townbloc, and honestly, I think Ali's suspicions come from a place of good faith too

really hate this attempt to declare a townblock
In post 399, Sha 77 wrote:Why is what gross, Cakez? Why aren't I just town who's happy with a townbloc that has me and someone who's likely town in it?

Immediately dives on me to try to get me to change my mind, again. I believe I'm the only one expressing suspicion of Sha too.

I don't know I can't point to many specific posts on ISO. but I just don't like the tone of many posts. it feels a little too "un-serious" in a very intentional and manufactured way. as opposed to Pooky's whose silliness I buy more.

Like actually what the fuck is going on here

1. How does "I already talked about this but this post felt tonally off, too worried about perception of themself" and then "The tone was faked, Cakezy" not refute the concern here.
2. How the fuck is "What do you hate about that reaction? You think those observations were serious?" him trying to get you to change your mind. ITS A FUCKING QUESTION.
3. "really hate this attempt to declare a townblock" WHO FUCKING CARES. LITERALLY COMES FROM ANY ALIGNMENT
4. "Why is what gross, Cakez? Why aren't I just town who's happy with a townbloc that has me and someone who's likely town in it?" HOW THE FUCK IS THIS TRYING TO GET CAKEZ TO CAHNGE HIS MIND IT'S JUST ASKING HIM WHY THE FUCK HE'S DOING THAT BECAUSE CAKEZ WON'T EXPLAIN ANYTHING AND REFUSES TO BE TRANSPARENT. HE'S ASKING YOU WHY SO THAT ITS EASIER TO SORT WHAT ALIGNMENT IS MISREADING HIM. HOW IS THIS HARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN SOMEONE ASKS SOMEONE WHY, ITS NOT TO CHANGE THEIR FUCKING MIND, ITS TO FUCKING EXPLAIN THEMSELVES

- STILL NOTHING ON WHY ANDRES IS SCUMMY BTW
- AND NOTHING WHY ME PUMPING UP ANDRES IS SUS EITHER


I don't understand how any of the above actually happens btw.

lol too real

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Post Post #857  (isolation #139)  » Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:53 pm

Back later, I'm liking Ali so far for that Cakez outrage. Andres still feels off and I raised my eyebrows a few times when he was talking about the leaders and what he thinks they'd do as scum (like if they'd include their partners or not), it felt like he was forcing himself to over analyse it? At the same time, I'm a little worried that Andres just has an unnatural sounding tone that I tend to scumread, but I don't like his reasoning either, so I think I'm not dumb probably.

Pooky and Flea are still pretty nullish so far

@Flea: Why'd you heal me yesterday and did I scumreading you influence your read on me at all?

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Post Post #858  (isolation #140)  » Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:56 pm

catchup to be resumed from top of page 27

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Post Post #893  (isolation #141)  » Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:12 pm

I'm not compeletely convinced, Infinity, I thought I made that clear when I said I don't see him as scum as clearly as I did overnight, and how I may just be scumreading his unnatural tone. I see more people are calling him town based on recent stuff but I still find him scummy as of page 27

Are you saying I'm scum fake pushing him? Can you point out what parts of my push gives you that impression?

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Post Post #895  (isolation #142)  » Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:15 pm

In post 861, SirCakez wrote:why you so absent mr Sha?

Video games displaced mafia as my favourite online hobby recently

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Post Post #898  (isolation #143)  » Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:20 pm

Oh God did a toxic 1v1 happen lol

tris, why didn't you stop them? you were supposed to be the tetris block that brought peace to the puzzles and Dragons

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Post Post #900  (isolation #144)  » Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:22 pm

Okay okay, I'll finish catching up in approximately 12 hours and try and come up with some sort of solve

Cakez voting to heal everyone but me in that 6 is hilarious, I haven't seen his reasoning for it yet, but:

If I'm scum, Cakez, won't I be more incentived to include my partner in my picks?

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Post Post #902  (isolation #145)  » Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:23 pm

Andres, how are you currently reading me?

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Post Post #905  (isolation #146)  » Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:28 pm

In post 804, Andresvmb wrote:I am more suspicious of Sha 77 actually, but again, same idea.

Reasoning?

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Post Post #910  (isolation #147)  » Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:30 pm

I wasn't feeling playing at the time. I just wanted to get my overnight thoughts out before I lost them but didn't want to stick around to play/engage with you

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Post Post #911  (isolation #148)  » Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:31 pm

In post 909, tris wrote:i feel very strongly that andres is town

Excited to read what makes you of this opinion!

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Post Post #913  (isolation #149)  » Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:36 pm

Hmm, interesting, Infinity seems to care a lot less about sheepin Ydrasse townreading me like she did in our last game together. The situations are the same - Infinity townreads Ydrasse, Ydrasse townreads, but Infinity's scumreading me unlike that game where she was happy to trust Ydrasse

If Andres is town, Infinity's probably scum is my guess. They're unlikely to be both scum based on their short fight at the start of today

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Post Post #914  (isolation #150)  » Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:37 pm

*Infinity townreads Ydrasse, Ydrasse townreads me

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Post Post #916  (isolation #151)  » Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:55 pm

In post 756, Alisae wrote:fwiw, I do think going the Ydra group is 100% better but not for the reasons that you guys think.
I actually think that is the group that contains the 2 scum and I don't think its andres.

I think if we wanted to try to find scum we go for the Ydra group but if we want to gamble on trying to win the game, we go for the sha group.

If any group fails, we need to kill the group leader to understand why the group fail. Was it because the group was picked by scum or it was picked by town and they misread someone? From there it becomes significantly easier to hunt.
I think the Ydra group always fails. I'm way too paranoid of pooky and something feels off about Ydra.
I think its possible that I could just be misreading Flea

What on earth is this post

Why do you ever "try to find scum" rather than just go for the win with 5 town?

If you go for the win:
-You either just win, or find scum in the group of 5

If you try and find scum:
-You find scum in the group of 5

??? Elaborate please, Ali

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Post Post #918  (isolation #152)  » Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:58 pm

In post 915, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 668, Sha 77 wrote:tris and Infinity were always in for being towny, and had no bad associations with Andres


In post 913, Sha 77 wrote:If Andres is town, Infinity's probably scum is my guess


@Sha, can you detail how you’re getting from the first to the second post? If Infinity has no bad associations with me, why does my alignment matter when determining Infinity’s?

That first post was before I saw she was scumreading me. She was similarly unsure about me for the entirety of our last game together, but since she townreads Ydrasse, she basically just trusted her read on me and sheeped it.

The exact situation is the same here, yet she has mentioned trusting Ydrasse on her read at all, or asked her to expand on it recently. She's just pushing the narrative for me being scum which feels weird given her previous treatment in our last game.

You and Infinity don't feel like partners because of the bold way you called her scum start of today and had that mini fight

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Post Post #919  (isolation #153)  » Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:59 pm

In post 917, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 913, Sha 77 wrote:They're unlikely to be both scum based on their short fight at the start of today

I mean it could have been TvT right? Maybe I misread the situation, and Scum jump in to (righteously) attack my wrong push onto Infinity, sideline me for a bit. No? And aren’t you already skeptical of SirCakez? Couldn’t that be an explanation?

Yeah, I'm saying it's either TvS or TvT

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Post Post #920  (isolation #154)  » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:00 am

In post 918, Sha 77 wrote:
In post 915, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 668, Sha 77 wrote:tris and Infinity were always in for being towny, and had no bad associations with Andres


In post 913, Sha 77 wrote:If Andres is town, Infinity's probably scum is my guess


@Sha, can you detail how you’re getting from the first to the second post? If Infinity has no bad associations with me, why does my alignment matter when determining Infinity’s?

That first post was before I saw she was scumreading me. She was similarly unsure about me for the entirety of our last game together, but since she townread Ydrasse, she basically just trusted her read on me and sheeped it.

The exact situation is the same here, yet she hasn't mentioned trusting Ydrasse on her read at all, or asked her to expand on it recently. She's just pushing the narrative for me being scum which feels weird given her previous treatment in our last game.

You and Infinity don't feel like partners because of the bold way you called her scum start of today and had that mini fight

edited to make sense

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Post Post #921  (isolation #155)  » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:03 am

I'm getting SUCKED in and already feel more motivated to play again, so that's good

I shall return to read up on all I missed in 11 hours and not just read tidbits like I've been doing now

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Post Post #927  (isolation #156)  » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:41 am

In post 893, Sha 77 wrote:I'm not compeletely convinced, Infinity, I thought I made that clear when I said I don't see him as scum as clearly as I did overnight, and how I may just be scumreading his unnatural tone. I see more people are calling him town based on recent stuff but I still find him scummy as of page 27

Are you saying I'm scum fake pushing him? Can you point out what parts of my push gives you that impression?

Could you address this as well?

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Post Post #928  (isolation #157)  » Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:52 am

Okay, Andres, do you mind dropping me a link to your 2 most recent scumgames? I just want to see if aggressiveness and frustration is alignment-indicative for you

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Post Post #929  (isolation #158)  » Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:00 am

In post 860, Isis wrote:
(2)Image {Ydrasse, tris, Infinity 324, PookyTheMagicalBear, Andresvmb} (1) - Infinity 324
Image {Ydrasse, tris, Alisae, Infinity 324, PookyTheMagicalBear} (2) - Flea the Magician, Andresvmb
Image {tris, Infinity 324, Alisae, Flea the Magician, SirCakez} (1) - SirCakez
Image {Sha 77, tris, Alisae, Infinity 324, SirCakez} (1) - Ydrasse

It takes five votes to make a choice.
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Modnote: You may not put one vote on each option like in the undertale series, voting for an attacker team overwrites your vote for a healer team and vice versa

Am I lost, I can't find where Cakez voted to HEAL this team at all... did it happen in the scum PT

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Post Post #930  (isolation #159)  » Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:07 am

In post 625, SirCakez wrote:HURT: Andres
HEAL: Sha

I think I'll start here

These are the only HEALS/HURTS I can find from him today

And then his response to me and unvote suggests he did choose that team and it's not a mod error... I'm so confused

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Post Post #932  (isolation #160)  » Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:10 am

In post 557, Isis wrote:If you want to build an Attacker team for Isis, use "hurt" "/hurt" tags, and type in the name of the player you want to exclude from the volleyball team.
If you want to build a Healer team for Isis, use "heal" "/heal" tags, and type in the name of the player you want to exclude from the volleyball team.
This exactly corresponds to a team, because there are six of each type and you can only take 5.

Ah okay, this makes so much more sense

I thought you had to heal all 5 players wou wanted on the team

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Post Post #933  (isolation #161)  » Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:25 am

In post 734, Infinity 324 wrote:Hmm if hectic is scum I think he's scum with someone in ydrasse's group (pooky or ali?) and is pushing andres to make sure his buddy gets in

I want you to elaborate on these worlds of yours, Infinity

Does it look like Pooky is my partner who really needs go be included or lose in Ydrasse's group? Is he efforting or trying to make himself look town? Because it doesn't look like it to me

For Alisae - I think most are including eir in their groups so why would I need to randomly push Andres when e's not in danger of being left out anyway?

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Post Post #934  (isolation #162)  » Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:38 am

Pooky and Flea are both saying they'd be efforting more as scum, but they usually do more as town too. Odds are one of them is scum and they both haven't just happened to have a rare lurk game as town

And then 1 in Andres/Infinity/Alisae

Leaning 1 in Andres/Infinity and 1 in Pooky/Flea

tris and Ydrasse are town

Oh, I completely forgot Cakez exists

Whatever, I've put in too much thought into this game for one sitting. I'll check back in once queries have been answered

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Post Post #935  (isolation #163)  » Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:42 am

One last thing:
In post 775, Flea The Magician wrote:From what I can tell, both teams are going in, we just need to eliminate one person from each team and looking at Isis last vote, I think it's a group agreement that happens? I have no clue, honestly.

Townslip??@,#*'o

What gave you the impression both groups went in, Flea? We only get to pick one

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Post Post #936  (isolation #164)  » Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:56 am

HEAL: Infinity

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Post Post #982  (isolation #165)  » Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:11 pm

HURT: Infinity

Ydrasse, how confident are you on town!me compared to how confident you were in Divide and Conquer?

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Post Post #983  (isolation #166)  » Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:20 pm

In post 962, Infinity 324 wrote:This feels like a gotcha question that doesn't mean much for andres's alignment imo

If Andres took special care to mention it this game, and with tone that sounds fake, it's pretty scummy. He clarified however that he did mention it in his previous two town games. Not sure how you see this as a scummy question.

You keep promising to read me off meta, and you really should. I'm not sure if this is a repeat of the Pooky/skitter scumgame but I don't dig your reasons and your change in stance in trusting Ydrasse. Last she talked about her read on me, she seemed quite sure, yet you haven't cared to ask her for updates and don't seem to care as much as that game. I smell an agenda.

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Post Post #984  (isolation #167)  » Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:21 pm

Pooky, how do you feel about Infinity and I?

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Post Post #987  (isolation #168)  » Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:32 pm

In post 986, Infinity 324 wrote:Just because he mentions it one time and not another time doesn't mean he's taking "special care", maybe he just thought to mention it one time and not the other.

What is the scum agenda for me SRing you here? It'd be pretty easy to townread you here as scum, not a lot of other people are suspicious of uou. Again, I have more townreads than in DnC and ydrasse and I have both been pretty disengaged. You also have a higher scum % in this game due to the setup.

Well sure, but I found the tone scummy so asked about it. How is asking about it on its own scummy to you? It's not even a gotcha moment since the answer was that he did mention it the previous two games, so it's not like I was catching him out on something I knew would look bad for him.

And it doesn't feel like that to me, Cakez has been scumreading me all game and Andres was sus of me last I checked.

I do get if you felt something was off about my Andres push though. You have to understand; I had the feeling overnight right as the night started and it was very strong, I saw it really clearly at the time. Then, time passed, the day starts, and I've forgotten a lot of it and start to dread the fact I have to recall all that and post it. I got distracted by other stuff, mafia started to feel less appealing, so when I finally force myself to post right before being prodded probably, it's me literally spewing out my thoughts as best as I can remember from that time overnight. It's feels forced because it is.

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Post Post #988  (isolation #169)  » Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:33 pm

In post 985, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I got your back no matter what

<3

Why aren't you feeling it this game?

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Post Post #989  (isolation #170)  » Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:35 pm

It's not Infinity and Cakez though, I don't think they both push me as scum like this.

I'm ruling out:

Infinity/Andres
Infinity/Cakez
Flea/Pooky
Alisae/Andres

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Post Post #995  (isolation #171)  » Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:40 pm

I don't think Alisae turns on Andres so easily when he's a game long pocket, feels like town!Ali giving in and trusting townreads, feel like scum!Ali would love to defend a future mislaunch or pocket Andres if he does survive later.

I don't think leaving Infinity out wins the game in Ydrasse's group tbh. She doesn't feel aligned with Cakez in the way they're the main two pushing me, and I don't think they'd align themselves like that. Infinity + Flea is possible I guess, but I'm very slightly town on Flea for not realising both teams go through, feels like something scum would've discussed in their PT.

Oh, also, that rules out Ydrasse + Flea for sure as well, since scum would've discussed the group with that knowledge overnight

Infinity/Andres
Infinity/Cakez
Flea/Pooky
Alisae/Andres
Ydrasse/Flea

I'm ruling out Pooky/Flea because both scum doing nothing and not trying to look towny is pretty dire here, and I don't think they're the sort of players that wouldn't feel the need to do something more if both them and their partner was in that position.

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Post Post #996  (isolation #172)  » Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:42 pm

In post 992, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 988, Sha 77 wrote:
In post 985, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I got your back no matter what

<3

Why aren't you feeling it this game?


strixhaven/tft pbe came out at the same time and I only have so many hours in the day.

also you/ydra are better at town-reading people than I am, I like to sort by attacking people with a stick.

Can relate

Think of it this way though, you're basically just trying to leave out your biggest scumread in either group realistically speaking. Who'd that be for you?

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Post Post #998  (isolation #173)  » Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:55 pm

Waiting on Andres to drop me that sweet sweet meta

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Post Post #1053  (isolation #174)  » Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:07 pm

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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Post Post #1108  (isolation #175)  » Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:57 pm

Siiiigh I'm not sure what about this game's demotivated me so much

Andres, what's your account name in that offsite meta you gave me and how do I ISO someone?

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Post Post #1109  (isolation #176)  » Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:01 am

lol maybe the site meta's townsided enough that we can win mountainous

oh wait, it's not mountainous, we know there's at least 1 scum in that group of 5 players

Ydrasse - always town
tris - strong town start, dropped off a lot
Alisae - town for the way e sorted Ydrasse tbh
Andres - mixed feelings of towniness and scuminess
Pooky - ???

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Post Post #1110  (isolation #177)  » Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:02 am

I'll read over that Andres meta tommorow and decide who I'm voting of the two

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Post Post #1112  (isolation #178)  » Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:06 am

In post 1074, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I am partners with Hectic

can confirm this though

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Post Post #1113  (isolation #179)  » Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:07 am

In post 1111, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 1108, Sha 77 wrote:Andres, what's your account name in that offsite meta you gave me and how do I ISO someone?

Same name. To ISO you need to press the button that looks like the top part of a person below any of my posts.

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Post Post #1116  (isolation #180)  » Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:10 am

I'm very sure on Ydrasse being town

I wonder if my group had 5 town/1 scum but my group was never really the focus so scum didn't have to worry about it

Pedit: Why is Infinity specifically highly likely to be town as opposed to the other 4 left off?

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Post Post #1117  (isolation #181)  » Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:11 am

*other 3

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Post Post #1118  (isolation #182)  » Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:19 am

Andres flipping on his uber strong townread in Alisae because e was willing to compromise exclude him causing Andres to eventually vote to exclude Alisae is actually so bad

VOTE: Andres as placeholder

We'll see if the meta brings fruit

Sidenote: having Andres autocorrect to Andre's every single time on my phone is infuriating and looks like a scum tactic on his part

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Post Post #1119  (isolation #183)  » Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:22 am

Andres, as I understand it, Alisae eventually gave into everyone calling you scum and was okay with compromise excluding you. I don't see the scum agenda in this as why not continue to pocket you, and it's not like they care about who makes the group up - they were always being included if they're scum.

Can you explain why that made you reconsider your essentially locktown read on them and made you vote to exclude them?

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Post Post #1121  (isolation #184)  » Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:24 am

hmmmmmmmm that would be a reasonable explanation for that flip if he's town and pocketed by the read

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Post Post #1123  (isolation #185)  » Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:34 am

It's quite interesting that Pooky and Andres were the final two voters on that wagon. Imagine if I only picked town for my group... I want to dream

I say interesting because if they're a team, it's very bad for both of them to be on since they would recognise the other 3 are seen as towny and one of them always gets voted out the next day

An Andres has entered today saying Pooky is too "easy" for unknown reasons and that we should reevaluate Ydrasse. Not liking that. And also Infinity is highly likely town when I don't see why she can't just be scum with 1 of the other 4 in the group from Andres's perspective

I'm not sure if Andres not going for Pooky straight away makes them more likely to be aligned though, I feel like as S/S they would recognise they need to bus here so mayhaps it means Andres-scum recognising he gets voted out after Pooky flipping town, so is trying to widen the elim poik

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Post Post #1125  (isolation #186)  » Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:41 am

In post 810, Andresvmb wrote:Sha’s bad arguments swayed you? Okay then.

Look I’m done posting for now. I don’t want to waste my breath or time arguing something that’s not going to go anywhere. Let’s please just hurry this up and vote to exclude me, see what happens. Maybe we win and I’m worrying about nothing.

This would be a bold gambit though. If Andres scum, it's surely with another in the group of 5. He remains voting to exclude himself for quite a while

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Post Post #1127  (isolation #187)  » Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:43 am

In post 1124, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 1117, Sha 77 wrote:*other 3

I think the fact that Infinity was specifically excluded in a situation that turned in Scum’s favor has to heavily weigh in any analysis of Infinity’s alignment. How could it not? I’m not even sure if Ydrasse being either alignment makes a difference.

I think the likeliest person to be Scum has to be an advocate for excluding Infinity that was otherwise also in the Team. That of course includes me too to a degree.

I don't understand. Let's assume Infinity is scum - from your town PoV the other scum is in the other 4 in your group with you. It literally doesn't matter to them who in your group is excluded at all since they would always have scum in

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Post Post #1128  (isolation #188)  » Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:43 am

In post 1125, Sha 77 wrote:
In post 810, Andresvmb wrote:Sha’s bad arguments swayed you? Okay then.

Look I’m done posting for now. I don’t want to waste my breath or time arguing something that’s not going to go anywhere. Let’s please just hurry this up and vote to exclude me, see what happens. Maybe we win and I’m worrying about nothing.

This would be a bold gambit though. If Andres scum, it's surely with another in the group of 5. He remains voting to exclude himself for quite a while

Group of 6 actually, would also work if he was scum with Infinity

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Post Post #1133  (isolation #189)  » Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:48 am

In post 579, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 576, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 574, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 572, Infinity 324 wrote:Flea why did you hammer I told people to wait for the VC :(

HURT: alisae for now, mainly because I'm paranoid of em and I feel varying degrees of comfortable with everyone else on the attackers list. I'd be ok leaving out pooky or maybe andres as well

I think this is Scum.


Why?

Because Alisae is Town. I’m like almost certain of it. It’s the only strong read I have. So this guarantees there will be Scum almost among the choices to be made that could end the game.

In post 590, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 584, Andresvmb wrote:In fact both the Attacker and the Healer Leaders picked Alisae for their respective Teams. Why is that the one choice you’re looking to exclude?


Andres I'm not sure why you're being like this. I don't think alisae is obvious town and I explained my reasoning, I also would be ok having alisae in a team this is a pretty ??? reason to think I'm scum

I actually thought Andres's side of this interaction (didn't quote all the posts) looked unaligned with Infinity but this post from Infinity looks partnery with Andres. It feels off tonally for her

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Post Post #1136  (isolation #190)  » Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:50 am

In post 1119, Sha 77 wrote:Andres, as I understand it, Alisae eventually gave into everyone calling you scum and was okay with compromise excluding you. I don't see the scum agenda in this as why not continue to pocket you, and it's not like they care about who makes the group up - they were always being included if they're scum.

Can you explain why that made you reconsider your essentially locktown read on them and made you vote to exclude them?

This too please

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Post Post #1145  (isolation #191)  » Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:55 am

In post 1142, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 1136, Sha 77 wrote:
In post 1119, Sha 77 wrote:Andres, as I understand it, Alisae eventually gave into everyone calling you scum and was okay with compromise excluding you. I don't see the scum agenda in this as why not continue to pocket you, and it's not like they care about who makes the group up - they were always being included if they're scum.

Can you explain why that made you reconsider your essentially locktown read on them and made you vote to exclude them?

This too please

I think I reacted to this in real time. I don’t know what you expect me to say now that will change anything. If I’m being consistently TR by someone, and when the pressure begins to mount on me they abandon their TR and signal that they would be okay excluding me, why wouldn’t I be suspicious of that? Wouldn’t you?

No, because I'd look at the motive Alisae has to do that as both alignments. You were essentially basing your entire read on Alisae based on how they were reading you, and ignored all the precious reasons you had to think they were town, there's obvious benefits to do that as scum which is my concern

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Post Post #1146  (isolation #192)  » Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:56 am

In post 1144, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 860, Isis wrote:
(2)Image {Ydrasse, tris, Infinity 324, PookyTheMagicalBear, Andresvmb} (1) - Infinity 324
Image {Ydrasse, tris, Alisae, Infinity 324, PookyTheMagicalBear} (2) - Flea the Magician, Andresvmb
Image {tris, Infinity 324, Alisae, Flea the Magician, SirCakez} (1) - SirCakez
Image {Sha 77, tris, Alisae, Infinity 324, SirCakez} (1) - Ydrasse

It takes five votes to make a choice.
(expired on 2021-04-23 23:00:00)


Modnote: You may not put one vote on each option like in the undertale series, voting for an attacker team overwrites your vote for a healer team and vice versa

Look at SirCakez’s vote here.

What about it?

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Post Post #1147  (isolation #193)  » Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:56 am

precious -> previous

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Post Post #1150  (isolation #194)  » Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:01 am

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Solve for now is 1 of Andres and Pooky with 1 of Infinity and Cakez

Ydrasse
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Alisae
Flea
Infinity/Cakez
Andres/Pooky

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Post Post #1151  (isolation #195)  » Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:03 am

UNVOTE: Andres

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Post Post #1154  (isolation #196)  » Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:07 am

I think I inherently scumread the way you think, Andres. Even that post, I don't understand how you could think Alisae voting for you who you know is town is so indicative of them being town and it being such a GAMBLE for scum!Alisae. Like, I think it's highly likely scum voted to heal town for large parts of that phase. Your logic baffles me... this is why that meta should be helpful

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Post Post #1156  (isolation #197)  » Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:09 am

As in, scum aren't going to transparently vote for their partner, they could totally just vote for town if they think it makes them look towny. Idk, maybe you just read people heavily based on what they think of you. You're like a nexus that reflects townreads and scumreads to people.

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Post Post #1159  (isolation #198)  » Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:14 am

I don't think it means nearly as much as you think it does. Scum have to do something, it's not like they can just get away with not posting. That phase involved healing someone you thought was town. If scum are going to push someone other than themselves which eventually they need to do if they want to make any content at all, the vast majority of the time that person is going to be town rather rhan exactly their partner. That's them going for something that's against their wincon sure, but they don't really have a choice. They have to fake content at some point.

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Post Post #1163  (isolation #199)  » Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:16 am

This isn't a push, Infinity, I'm considering Andres being a town nexus that reflects reads

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