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[innocentvillager]

i aim to get to day 2, work out who i think is the most townie player in the game and then just follow them

and how do you want to guess who's the towniest if not for the day 1 play????

oh, they'll be stuff then. they'll be claims and things is my assumption.

welp, i hope you're like *really* good at mech

hello that’s me

[innocentvillager]

i guess geraintm claiming town was useful

but there’s one person I was planning on sheeping for reading him anyway so meh

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Datisi

[innocentvillager]

iv why are you just naked voting me without interacting, are you not trying to sort my alignment?

i thnk u might be scum this game datisi hehe

[innocentvillager]

i am not trying to sort your alignment, in fact

but i might try later

[innocentvillager]

there's no point if i tell you why i suspect you you'll just do that opposite

[innocentvillager]

oh i could tunnel VP Baltar too that's also fun

never tried that one before

VOTE: VP Baltar

[innocentvillager]

Also, fair warning to everyone, I definitely will struggle at this pace of a game. I'm super overloaded at work right now.

same

[innocentvillager]

I’ve got two townreads just from my light skim of the game.
TWO.

why is this news

describe to me how you're feeling rn because you have two townreads Norway

[innocentvillager]

I’ve got two townreads just from my light skim of the game.
TWO.

I’ve got two townreads just from my light skim of the game.
TWO.

why is this news

describe to me how you're feeling rn because you have two townreads Norway

norway can you go through your emotional state at this time? im just wondering why you felt like you needed to capitalize "two"

iv why are you just naked voting me without interacting, are you not trying to sort my alignment?

i thnk u might be scum this game datisi hehe

do you ever not think that

if you're town, ill probably come around, maybe not, i think i usually do?

and here's where i point out that you are the one usually deathtunneling me :{

[innocentvillager]

sorry to hear that

is two generally a lot of townreads for you at this point in the game? were you happy to get two townreads? sad you only had two townreads?

[innocentvillager]

im not too sure where im going with this exactly but thanks for indulging me in advance

[innocentvillager]

i would love to know why you think datisi is town

but you don't have to tell it's ok, i don't plan on giving my datisi thoughts anytime soon soooo yea

[innocentvillager]

oh ok sorry im slow thnk u norway i should read context more carefully

pedit: no i just feel bad/hypocritical asking you a question that i don't really want to answer myself, so i qualified it with you don't have to answer

[innocentvillager]

i would love to know why you think datisi is town

but you don't have to tell it's ok, i don't plan on giving my datisi thoughts anytime soon soooo yea

i think you're trying to gauge my reaction to "read" me and see just how pissed off i get at this, and i'd appreciate if you didn't do that ¬_¬

hmmmm is it pissing you off then?

[innocentvillager]

mildly.

how do you think im trying to "read" you then?

Datisi pissed off -town
Datisi not pissed off -scum?

or the other way around?

you're the one with the conjecture on how im reading you and now im conjecturing about that

[innocentvillager]

even if we accept that they have a higher than random chance at eliminating town (citation needed? genuinely curious, ive heard people say this but idk if it's anecdotal or a real recent sample)

i don't think that necessarily means we shouldn't eliminate d1

the chance of hitting scum is still nonzero, and remaining at odds is probably overall good too

and there's also info from the d1 flip

pedit: haaaaaaahahaahahahah good one luca

[innocentvillager]

@luca i have interest in hearing about that vote

i think you're gonna be disappointed lol

[innocentvillager]

i can try to shut the fuck up for a while if it'll make the game easier to follow/play for other people
i use this site to procrastinate anyway, i should probably stop doing that

Don't change your game for me. I'll get by. I am mostly just aware of my workload dramatically escalating since I told you I wanted to play another game with you, and that I basically only signed up because I like everyone in this game. I'll do my best to still be up to date.

hard vibe here

[innocentvillager]

im also interesting to know why George is town for that post never seen scum george idk

funny how everyone has checked in except for the least active poster and most active poster

[innocentvillager]

can you really not see it? it's like when you open the curtains at noon and the sun shining down at you unobscured by any clouds

do i need to point out to you where the sun is if you do that? of course not

that's george

im blind sorry

can you do me a quick comparison between this and George in Newbie 2058?

funny how everyone has checked in except for the least active poster and most active poster

What are you implying from this? A connection between these folks?

yes, they are lovers

[innocentvillager]

like dripping with town means like the whole post is townie

i can kind of see why you might think the ending part leans town, i feel like i lean town on him for being like conflicted/directionless on geraint? im not sure i get much more than that out of his post

[innocentvillager]

iv why do you keep posting useless shit

it's not like im only posting useless stuff?

and what are you implying about my alignment?

[innocentvillager]

it's okay datisi im used to you being a lil ~spiky~

[innocentvillager]

to clarify do you think everything ive said is useless/filler or just some of my posts? i feel i am like 75% vibing/shitposting and 25% actually trying to play

[innocentvillager]

man it's not as fun when i actually lay it out like that

[innocentvillager]

no it's really okay it's like when i ask Norway for his thoughts on you but I refuse to give mine on you so i feel bad

[innocentvillager]

i don't get mad unless we're doing toxic 1v1 scumtheatre

[innocentvillager]

Norway have you seen datisi play scum before?

[innocentvillager]

link please/was it recent? and why are you so sure Datisi is different/town here?

[innocentvillager]

again i feel bad for asking this question again but now you've said something else that's townie about him which i don't feel is out of his scumrange so... yeah hehe

[innocentvillager]

thanks

but i mean that's kind of why i asked, i feel like i saw a much scarier recent version of Datisi's scumgame than you did

sucks to be good at scum, Datisi!

[innocentvillager]

you should try being horrendous at scum like me. it'll get you obv-townread more

[innocentvillager]

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datisi one scumgame one towngame

@norway when you get sec just skim like the first 20-30 or so posts of each ISO, try not to cheat. can you tell me which one is the towngame?

[innocentvillager]

I don't townread you IV.

i mean id be shocked if I ever got day eliminated in this plist so im not too worried yet

[innocentvillager]

sorry to hear that

is two generally a lot of townreads for you at this point in the game? were you happy to get two townreads? sad you only had two townreads?

mmmmm don't like this post

VOTE: innocentvillager

u know im gonna ask u why

[innocentvillager]

I’d rather ask why IV framed the question that way and put two scum ISO’s.
Do you want me to subconciously believe Datisi could be scum here? If so, why? Do you yourself think Datisi is scum here?

idk i didn't think super hard about the exact way to frame it, maybe your way would've been slightly better maybe not (also it was more fun )

im mostly just trying to make you consider that scum!Datisi might be better than you expected from that one game and at least reconsider, i didn't really care about your result. do you not have more doubt here at least that Datisi is town after skimming tone of his scumgames?

like im not saying you have to, but either way i want to know why. I'm just trying to get a better sense on how much I should take your townread on Datisi into account on my own evaluation on him after giving you more info. and maybe help read you later idk

[innocentvillager]

honestly at this point i'm willing to drop it because obviously nobody other than ico even cares about the ~case~ and i could plausibly maybe see town!gypyx doing it so like what is even the point anymore

hm maybe you are town

[innocentvillager]

i have two reads rn

geraint probtown
Datisi ??
everyone else null

[innocentvillager]

i have my opinions on the Luca wagon but i want to see what happens first

[innocentvillager]

okay i have a read on Luca but maybe don't really have an opinion on the wagon

[innocentvillager]

loooool i honestly partially townbinned ico because datisi thought he was town

i definitely misunderstood datisi's opinion

[innocentvillager]

i think ive been misunderstanding the y axis of your triangle, im surprised NM is at the top and not the bottom with GB

like i thought top was "omg lot of stuff, very conflicted being pulled in multiple directions" and null was "bleh null no content"

[innocentvillager]

I’d rather ask why IV framed the question that way and put two scum ISO’s.
Do you want me to subconciously believe Datisi could be scum here? If so, why? Do you yourself think Datisi is scum here?

idk i didn't think super hard about the exact way to frame it, maybe your way would've been slightly better maybe not (also it was more fun )

im mostly just trying to make you consider that scum!Datisi might be better than you expected from that one game and at least reconsider, i didn't really care about your result. do you not have more doubt here at least that Datisi is town after skimming tone of his scumgames?

like im not saying you have to, but either way i want to know why. I'm just trying to get a better sense on how much I should take your townread on Datisi into account on my own evaluation on him after giving you more info. and maybe help read you later idk

Norway can you respond to this/did you think anything of my response?

also, why are you voting me again? being "passive" or something?

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: AliceK i don't hate this vote

[innocentvillager]

ok

yeah im just kinda meh about everything here rn. i don't really have a strong opinion on anyone other than geraint rn. i don't feel like making a readslist rn is helpful for me personally. i think i just need to see more stuff. like there are people whose alignments will just kind of become clearer over time {Wooper, Datisi, Ico, Luca, maybe Norway} and im okay waiting for that

[innocentvillager]

hey look wooper is town

why is wooper town?

[innocentvillager]

i wouldn't call it a strong opinion yet

[innocentvillager]

regardless i feel like you (luca) will be very obvious to me by eod1 so i don't really care about you

[innocentvillager]

as much as i want people to post more content i really like the pace this is going at

i guess what i want is for people to *very concisely and efficiently do AI things* (even though i cant do that) lolkthx!!

pedit: that you lean one particular alignment

[innocentvillager]

so i feel like i had datisi as town fairly quickly in 2180 and Open Jungle monstrosity

i think im forgetting how to read datisi or datisi is scum or both

honestly it's probably the former with a sizable chance of "both" mixed in there

[innocentvillager]

do you feel like you've been readable up to this point? can you give us a self analysis of the AIness of your play

[innocentvillager]

i can start, i think ive been towny in my jumpiness/relaxedness but probably not outside of my scumrange yet

i think it would take a decent amt of effort for me to play this way as scum though

[innocentvillager]

i can start, i think ive been towny in my jumpiness/relaxedness but probably not outside of my scumrange yet

i think it would take a decent amt of effort for me to play this way as scum though

luca i can understand the other thing but this pinged you as town from me? really? i dont understand

[innocentvillager]

like why can't i be scum actually putting a decent amount of effort to emulate my townplay like this and taking a free chance to genuine self-meta there

[innocentvillager]

i thought the internet explorer toaster thing was funny

[innocentvillager]

uhhh

so when i read first read it i was like, nah dw datisi i will probably take that into account

then went ehhh maybe datisi's right and i shouldn't LOL

honestly idk maybe ill keep thinking about that. im trying to remember what happens when i self meta as scum. like it's mostly truthful when i do it. for example my scumgame that just finished in Newbie 2058, I did some half assed self meta about how i couldn't fake the genuineness, energy, presence etc. as scum that game. that was only mostly true, like i really did not have the presence that game to the degree that i do when ive rolled town lately.

for your specific things i feel like (1) and (2) are probably slightly +town lol and i don't really care about (3). i do believe that scumtisi is slower than towntisi at giving thoughts (as should anyone be when they're scum probably) and your speed in those niche reaction spots is probably a towntell for you. I think i believe you in (2) when you say scumtisi wouldn't be rude to a townie like that because ive seen you very spiky as town and you were only spiky to me in 2175 when we were both scum. but there's also the paranoia that you are trying to emulate your past town treatment of me which usually tends to be spiky skepticism and a desire to see me do things

sorry this pargraph started out making sense when i began typed and being structured but it is probably neither of those by now

[innocentvillager]

uh bc you're the most "here" and ive been able to read you in the past also i know you're dangerous as a townread scum

it partially scares me that people are slapping townreads on you

ill probably obsess over Norway or someone else i don't townread at some point idk

[innocentvillager]

i truly hope so

would also be nice to finally be on the same side as iconeum and wooper for a game too

[innocentvillager]

yeah that was pretty bad (not that fact that i was voted, but the reasoning) im happy with my vote

[innocentvillager]

ok

yeah im just kinda meh about everything here rn. i don't really have a strong opinion on anyone other than geraint rn. i don't feel like making a readslist rn is helpful for me personally. i think i just need to see more stuff. like there are people whose alignments will just kind of become clearer over time {Wooper, Datisi, Ico, Luca, maybe Norway} and im okay waiting for that

you used rn 3 times is this a slip

oh fuck, you got me there

[innocentvillager]

oh i think i have a super secret read on Baltar too lol.

[innocentvillager]

oh man watching Datisi vs Anya has been incredible

dont' think this is SvS? but who knows honestly

[innocentvillager]

anya can you PLEASE provide reasons for your reads i don't know how to read you

which reads?

fucking lol

[innocentvillager]

also i should come clean and say i have no read on george and i just felt bad for brutally executing him when he was town in another game so was pretending to townread him

lol

and yeah idk datisi? didn't particularly feel pockety to me ig not sure

but both of us have been paranoid as town of town!him in 2180 and Jungle trying to pocket us. i remember him saying it had to do with the poise with which he writes since he works in journalism or something idk

did you play a scumgame against VPB recently? it seems like he might be referencing that in 380 or smthing?

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: innocentvillager

I will land my vote here. He is overfocused on Datisi ignoring everything around him. It looks forced. Could it be that he is trying to avoid interactions with other players, because he doesn't feel comfortable in interactions with scum buddies.

what do people think of this vote on me? i called it bad yes, but i want to hear other people reasoning first maybe

like Baltar said yikes and then asked if Alice was an alt, can you expand where your heads at on that?

[innocentvillager]

like why can't i be scum actually putting a decent amount of effort to emulate my townplay like this and taking a free chance to genuine self-meta there

Idk it felt kinda genuine in the moment

Obviously you could be scum doing as you described, but the aim of the game is to make subtle distinctions between the possibilities at hand

Why did you call me out for this reasoning but not Baltar for his reasoning for tr’ing you earlier?

you two are townreading me for completely different reasons so it doesn't really feel related? as i understand it,

VPB TR'd me for "putting my foot in my mouth" often, which i think is a reasonable thing to think (even if I can, to a degree, do that as scum too, but on balance it should be a towntell for most people and Baltar has never seen my scumgame)

Ico TR'd me for being "way too relaxed" for my scumgame, which is also a pretty reasonable thing to think and actually is probably pretty AI for me.

i couldn't understand why you TR'd that one post i made so i asked you about it

your response here makes me go "okay sure" which is honestly the predominant reaction i have to most answers to my questions lol :/ and maybe slightly -town that you redirected it back at me about some completely unrelated TR on me

[innocentvillager]

ftr i do not think Datisi was overreacting to the quickhammer thing at all, i probably would've unvoted immediately if i was around then

ive seen too many quickhammers lately and having at least 2 compulsive unpredictable hammerers in this game should obviously make you paranoid

[innocentvillager]

sorry to hear that

is two generally a lot of townreads for you at this point in the game? were you happy to get two townreads? sad you only had two townreads?

mmmmm don't like this post

VOTE: innocentvillager

u know im gonna ask u why

the tone felt overall pretty forced, plus it's really not the kinda questions i'm expecting to come from a solving who's scum / town mindset, just filler stuff yousee?

i don't hate the "forced tone" take, i probably was trying a little too hard to connect with Norway there and elicit something from him

I didn't understand the context when i said that, that he was replying with frustration to someone who claimed he wasn't doing anything. This post in a vacuum pinged me because clearly from the caps he felt kind of strongly about the fact that he had 2 townreads so i wanted to understand where he was at on that

[innocentvillager]

I think throwing a vote onto IV (who is fairly easy to vicrimise in this phase!!) is the unambiguously scumjiedt thing she's done and it doesn't feel like that's anythin more than a ~facror~ in your scumread

im confused

i thought you couldn't sort me/vanity-guess wanted to kill me if you couldn't soon? why is Alice voting me by itself THAT scummy (and not others voting me)? and why is it scummy that Ico doesn't "factor this in"?

also @you and @Ico @anyone else what cares, why is Norway town? quoting past posts is fine

like sure this is kind of reminiscent of town!Norway in my experience? but nothing he's done here feels out of his scumrange

[innocentvillager]

while i obviously disagree with geraint's "do nothing d1" philosophy his recent posting is actually kind of fine (besides the horrendous alice vote). i think the noise about policying him is unproductive and should just stop

like he's clearly town here and still kind of contributing opinions (like hating some of Wooper's posts, a take which isn't horrible - n.o Wooper your posting is hilarious, just from an alignment perspective) despite saying he doesn't want to play

there that's all ill say about geraint today probably. That and yeah the top wagon only need 5 non geraint/NM votes for an elimination so please please be careful.

[innocentvillager]

do you have any experience w scum!norwee?

no

ive played with town Norway 3 times and know he can get pretty damn far as scum sometimes. the first time i lol deathtunneled him despite being hard null on him the whole time. The other two times he was obvtown (granted I was scum in one of them and he did get eliminated d1 lol, but im pretty sure i would've TR'd him).

im not getting that vibe here from him. granted i have a somewhat similar feeling about you but im actually starting to lean slightly town on you ig?

i mean, im probably just getting worse at townreading people/am even more paranoid than before but regardless i feel i have to ask others to compare notes

[innocentvillager]

datisi when you get a sec wanna redo your triangle? you don't have to do the whole readslist im just curious bc it feels like things have changed for you

[innocentvillager]

or anything that helps you document your current mindset/reads changes

[innocentvillager]

scum in ico/norwee is like, something i kind of gut vibe with tbh maybe that's why im asking you to document this specific phase of yours LOL

[innocentvillager]

mod can we get a prod on dats

seconded

datisi get out of the scum PT stop thread dodging

[innocentvillager]

I 95% hate Wooper's posts.

I didn't think geraintm's takes could get worse, and yet here we are.

what makes wooper town to you?

[innocentvillager]

or anything that helps you document your current mindset/reads changes

it's pretty fluid to the point i'm not even sure how to describe/document it - it's feelings of "huh, norwee might not be as townie as i previously thought" or "ico's poking around my 'hammer paranoia' feels slightly wrong" (and i'm genuinely not sure what force of the universe made me put luca's name in there, it just did) that i'm putting at the back of my mind to think about as they keep providing more content. it's moving their picture slightly upwards on the y-axis but in of itself it's not yet changing my scum-to-town-read on the slot.

"idk gaem weird". could be my weird/paranoia-y irl mood right now making me paranoid of things i shouldn't be. maybe i should go do something else.

thx

you can go back to ranting in the scum PT now

[innocentvillager]

*why* does that ping you

y-3 is basically y-1

this day has been very non-productive so far and ending it now would be horrible

am i scum here with town!alice who's pretending to give a shit if town!alice got hammered? bc i would much rather keep my mouth shut and hope town does an oopsie
am i scum here with scum!alice and am panicking bc oh no partner close to yeet? but i thought it's unlikely i bus early, no?

like what is pinging you here

@ico did you ever respond to this?

[innocentvillager]

hmmm i kinda want to poke at {norway, alicek} but im not really sure where to start

{ico, wooper} im pretty uncertain about as well but i feel like in the short term ill get more sorting out of the former two. ico and wooper i have a feeling will be long burn reads

[innocentvillager]

if that's where you're at in your catchup you're not gonna like my next post Baltar

[innocentvillager]

also @you and @Ico @anyone else what cares, why is Norway town? quoting past posts is fine

Plus town points to IV here.

I was just thinking as I'm catching up from the overnight pages: "Where the hell is Norway? He was very active early on and then faded into the background once the game actually got rolling."

Don’t hit me with this shit.
I’m working a FULL TIME JOB. Dealing with children. I can’t be as active as usual. That does NOT equate scum and i’d rather just let everyone know right away that this is not how to read me in this game.

i don't liek making reads like this but honestly the sheer offense Norway took to this feels townie

[innocentvillager]

I 95% hate Wooper's posts.

I didn't think geraintm's takes could get worse, and yet here we are.

what makes wooper town to you?

I'm not sure I have him as solid town yet, though I have been nodding along a bit with some of his points. I just find his posting style humorous and enjoyable.

i think his gimmick is he's humorous and enjoyable and i think if he were playing normally id find his humor to be mildly scum indicative (in a pockety, "scum is stress relieving" way)

On the one hand, I'm not as paranoid as Datisi about the Y-3 stuff. I get where it is coming from, but also it seems slightly overstated as a threat. Not Mafia could quick hammer, or he could let things roll. It's a wildcard. So, I can see Ico wanting to say chill out.

isn't that... the exact reason to be worried? that NM and geraint together have a very sizable chance of taking a Y-2 slot to Y-0?

THAT BEING SAID, I actually find Ico to be more scummy in that exchange...though it is less about Datisi. I actually don't like the dragon trying to prod along an Alice yeet on paper thin reasons. Like, the statement about Alice having thin reads and that being textbook mafia....that's a pretty crappy attack on someone who could just be noobing it up. Saying 'rah rah, let's yeet Alice quick!' when she is widely scum read comes across as opportunistic to me.

maybe

i don't know if i think it's that crappy of an attack. i see how it could be town driven i see how it could be scum applying pressure to someone who's kind of elimbaity.

also Alice is still kinda scummy huiehue lol

[innocentvillager]

While this might be objectively a reasonable point, I feel as though it’s +scum in that it’s trying to break up potential town unity

i know why it might feel that way but that's just gypyx

i have no issue with his comment, someone saying it is probably good

[innocentvillager]

Luca can you go through your progression on Norway before his outburst? i recall you saying you're very good at reading him

you thought he was town from the beginning and it never really seemed like it changed

[innocentvillager]

thanks. im still left wondering two things:

*so the fact that he resisted the wagon you wanted (alice) and wanted the wagon you just came around on (me) makes him scummy? why
*i guess why is Norway's early posting good/why does it feel like town!norway so far

and ik ur V/LA feel free to respond to my stuff whenever but if you're around and posting might as well keep asking you lol.

[innocentvillager]

{me}
{geraint}
maybe north of null {Luca, Baltar, Datisi, Norway}
maybe null {Wooper, Iconeum, Alice, Gypyx, NM, GeorgeBailey, Anya}

i probably have subtiers within my tiers but i don't really feel like thinking about it/sharing it rn

[innocentvillager]

lmao my north of null list is the exact same as Luca's idk if that's a good or bad thing.

[innocentvillager]

lol

ive only played with town datisi where they solved the game right as they got killed for being obvtown

i skimmed that game where Luca wooperd datisi gj luca

[innocentvillager]

by 'they' i mean he srry

[innocentvillager]

wawrarirar!

ok Ico is town

[innocentvillager]

it is way too early for a townbloc imo

[innocentvillager]

like, is scum all in the lower posters? is the whole scumteam within n_m/george/gypyx/ico/anya/alice? it's never the easy answer.

if you go to the original post in your PT, it tells you the answer to this question

[innocentvillager]

is there a point to you calling me scum in the most uncreative ways, iv, other than you thinking it's funny?

not even a little chuckle ? :/

[innocentvillager]

ahhh wooper you are making me really nervous with that vote

i suggest someone unvotes in case we see a geraint/NM combo quickhammer

[innocentvillager]

where are you at rn? why iconeum?

[innocentvillager]

am I supposed to know the answer to my question?

[innocentvillager]

Let's go 3 lvls deeper. why are you asking me that question - what do you expect me to answer and what do you think you'll ascertain from that answer? What prompted you to ask it?

i don't think i asked anything particularly weird? i just asked you for where your thoughts are at and why you're voting iconeum

i don't townread you and wanted to hear why you piled in on the Most Popular Wagon

[innocentvillager]

ahhh wooper you are making me really nervous with that vote

i suggest someone unvotes in case we see a geraint/NM combo quickhammer

i didn't read shit but the last vc but wtf

UNVOTE: ico

THoughts:

George Bailey is doing the bare minimum - it is just commenting, no actual personal insight. Leans non-town to me.

hi hi hi what have I missed

Wooooper. We are talking about whether George Bailey is scum or just lazing through.

Also, since Ico is back tomorrow:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ico

this wasnt the start of the ICO wagon, it was the third.

VOTE: Ico

i agree we should make him feel welcome

the 4th

love that for us
VOTE: Ico welcome back qt

the 5th
that is a pretty strange wagon that formed out of nowhere. for the purposes of tomorrow, i want to add these 3 - VPBalter, Anya and Wooper to my list of suspicious people

i didn't read shit but the last vc but wtf

UNVOTE: ico

this is consistent with Datisi's previous posts

Anyways... VOTE: ICO

i mean...

[innocentvillager]

wooper i have to start somewhere

i haven't really egnaged you much this game yet. you had like maybe one line about ico and then you voted him many posts later?

i find the fact that you are pushing me for this like really weird and im curious to see what other people think. gth it's town!you being frustrated at not being understood ig idk

[innocentvillager]

- iv is like fine i guess idk.

how

ur characterisation of my posting in this post made me skin crawl :/

looks like you're interested in others people's takes on our interactions too! great, datisi can you chime in please?

[innocentvillager]

i don't feel taht i can read you especially this early on

[innocentvillager]

i don't think scum!you pushes me like this tho idk

i am kind of weak to this sort of reverse pocket though :/ idk if you know that or not

[innocentvillager]

gth it's town!you being frustrated at not being understood ig idk

I'm suddenly concerned I'm just seeing red bc this just looks like scum!you realising I'm going to be a pain in the ass to interact with and finding a way to abort

do you not feel like it's a real thought? why does that make you think red!innocetnvillager?

[innocentvillager]

i will say i am finding it harder than normal to get townreads this game :/

[innocentvillager]

also apparently the only way to get gera to play the game is to push his SR's or something

VOTE: george

do you scumread george? what are your reads anyway?

kinda do, not to the "kill him with fire" level but if i had a kill switch i'd press it

my reads prob go something like this :

+5 = conftown, -5 confscum
+3.5 geraintm
+2 NorwegianboyEE
+1.25 Luca Blight Wooper
+0.5 Iconeum Datisi
lol imagine having a read on Not_Mafia Anya VP Baltar
-0.5 AliceK GeorgeBailey
-1.75 innocentvillager

weirdly I feel quite similarly to Gypyx
probbabaly switch Alice and Anya, VP and ico

why aren't you voting me then?

[innocentvillager]

why I'm voting ico should have been self evident given my one liner on him was thinking he's potentially scum!)

i mean i guess i could've asked "i know you said These Seven Words about ico, can you give me more on why you're voting him" but that would've been more words than "why ico"?

[innocentvillager]

idk I don't realue think u can read me yet and I think u have enough experience to know that and the last time u were Red vs. me u just went for the hard pocket so u'd need to do something else this time

it feels weird that you're tryin to read me by asking me questions which I would never struggle at all to answer as scum ("y r u voting the biggest wagon" is an easy question to answer in general this early in the phase. why I'm voting ico should have been self evident given my one liner on him was thinking he's potentially scum!)

i definitely cant read you yet. i just said gth town for how you're interacting with me but i really don't know

im not trying to get you to slip by asking you to explain a read, i guess the intent is just to get you to commit to something/explanation and see if i can vibe with that/ask you further things

[innocentvillager]

honestly if i rolled scum this game one of my ideas was to start like doing something dumb like pushing you lol

[innocentvillager]

i assume anya's just trolling again

can you quote me why you feel super strongly on 1-2 {George, Anya} again?

[innocentvillager]

nah im always obsessed w u

[innocentvillager]

thanks! I am town, u r right!

[innocentvillager]

i tried to do a metadive on alice and i skimmed through her iso of her one completed game and the only thing i got from it is that i really really do not know how to do second-hand meta

Datisi u did this a while ago? was that at the same time you decided town!Alice posted low content too?

also i took a skim of another game of alice that just ended recently and like she was similarly low content and she was town and i'm running out of hope this game will ever have enough content for me to have a solid grasp on

[innocentvillager]

Datisi do you consider Newbie 2050 low posting from Alice?

[innocentvillager]

see Datisi

maybe it's kind of jumbled and fuzzy in your head if you're town, but fmpov, your progression timeline on this realization looks incongruent to me

i tried to do a metadive on alice and i skimmed through her iso of her one completed game and the only thing i got from it is that i really really do not know how to do second-hand meta

this happened some time ago. You supposedly skimmed Newbie 2050 and got basically nothing out of it. But now you're saying you decided Alice had low content that game (okay ill give you that you are saying she posted a bit more?)

then you say this:

also i took a skim of another game of alice that just ended recently and like she was similarly low content and she was town and i'm running out of hope this game will ever have enough content for me to have a solid grasp on

so it feels weird to me that the relevation that town!Alice can be low content too happened when you skimmed Mini Normal 2196, and not really before? because you're clearly suggesting here that you realized it happened here

idk, it's making me queasy, like your progression on meta reading Alice doesn't feel chronological and it's there to make us feel like you are trying to sort her

[innocentvillager]

where VP just feels more forced

i think that's just his tone

wooper i have to start somewhere

i haven't really egnaged you much this game yet. you had like maybe one line about ico and then you voted him many posts later?

i find the fact that you are pushing me for this like really weird and im curious to see what other people think.

gth it's town!you being frustrated at not being understood ig idk

and that makes you scumread wooper?
scum!wooper is more then capable of faking some kind of read on me here to justify his vote and wagon on me

but he didn't
which suggests he did it *in order to get a read on me* probably

carefree posting and voting probably equals green wooper

so no it did not make me scumread wooper

but thanks for the input. i agree wooper comes out of that interaction looking on the townier side

[innocentvillager]

i think that's just his tone

what i mean here is that I feel like he always plays like this tonally and it's probably NAI

i tend to read his posts and get freaked out that he is manipulating or pocketing me but i think he's just well spoken. lol

[innocentvillager]

my god, this accusation from iv feels so forced

like he knows town!him would be skeptical of me because sTroNk sCumGaEm but doesn't actually know how to fake it so he's talking bullshit about me not having chronological reads

can i have one solid townread, please, that's all i ask

that actually makes sense to me thank you

i think it maybe feels forced to you because you understand what's going on in your brain a lot better than i do. I only see those two posts you made and it definitely felt like some sort of an incongruency so i wanted to make sure there was something logical going on in there. you just elaborated on a lot more than you've mentioned about this. like you can ask any other player in this game and they can tell you if they think my accusation is "forced" or not ig, i doubt many people will think so but maybe im just bad at this game idk

[innocentvillager]

idk, it's making me queasy, like your progression on meta reading Alice doesn't feel chronological and it's there to make us feel like you are trying to sort her

Serious question though, why are you spending so much time focused on Datisi today? Like, I can't see a world where we lim Datisi D1, so why is such a big amount of your posting about him instead of the many other relevant discussions happening.

I need to ISO you to confirm, but it just feels like a lot of your posts are about poking Datisi in a way that's not really going anywhere

did you too think my suspicion here was empty?

im not specifically targeting him this day. i just read posts and i respond to what i notice. there's nothing like mindblowing going on here

[innocentvillager]

alright im actually getting a little tilted im hopping off

[innocentvillager]

Also fuck you That's my personal tinfoil hat!!! Luca is one of those players where I have a nasty habits of townreading too quickly... same with ISIS... And that bit me hard that one time ISIS was scum.

this is also probably a town rxn

[innocentvillager]

GB you've played with scum!me twice and never with town!me (well, this is the first time i guess ). both times i was kind of in your town tier, but you were also kind of low-ish activity in both games. how is that factoring into your read of me this game?

[innocentvillager]

Sometime I have good reads

lol i feel like not_mafia is a pretty underrated player in terms of read accuracy, i genuinely think it's higher than the average mafiascum player

[innocentvillager]

fwiw im not concerned about his lack of TR on you

or me for that matter

[innocentvillager]

why wouldn’t I jump in to save my scumbuddy?

[innocentvillager]

hello wooper i am concerned about your lack of townread on me, what do you have to say in your defense

why lol ur not towny

oh cool is wooper scum too? did mod accidentally rand like 6 scum instead of 3?

i laughed at this one

[innocentvillager]

UNVOTE: AliceK

spiritually okay voting Anya but don't want her at E-1

[innocentvillager]

anya if you don't want to die can you offer actual content? e.g. explain your read on george given prior exp like 2058? and even me/anyone else you've played with/have a read on? like if you just want to troll and don't care about dying at all you do you nothing against that tbh

[innocentvillager]

meh, i kinda believe it idk VOTE: Not_Mafia

[innocentvillager]

and i'm currently musing how anya might be the strongman that iv is trying to save

i don't like all this mindmelding

wow brilliant master plan by me

[innocentvillager]

UNVOTE: AliceK

spiritually okay voting Anya but don't want her at E-1

anya if you don't want to die can you offer actual content? e.g. explain your read on george given prior exp like 2058? and even me/anyone else you've played with/have a read on? like if you just want to troll and don't care about dying at all you do you nothing against that tbh

meh, i kinda believe it idk VOTE: Not_Mafia

lol and you guys mindmelded on that? like seriously are you even trying

[innocentvillager]

Where did IV disappear to

I got vaccinated 15 minutes ago

[innocentvillager]

I wouldn’t mind seeing Anya flipped

just gave me a little bit of doubt with the way she claimed it and the fact she’s claiming vt

[innocentvillager]

Anya how do you feel about me and George given you played with us in 2058.

[innocentvillager]

well her scum equity goes up with a PR claim but the loss of losing a TPR goes up too

this sounds dumb but the way she distanced herself from VT by adding all those words made it seem like she didn’t cared about being believed

[innocentvillager]

if I’m scum Anya is probably more likely to be town lol this is a classic scum!innocentvillager WK situation.

[innocentvillager]

Norway that’s why I don’t think VPB and Datisi are thinking critically about me/Anya associatives lol.

but it’s fine, it was their gut reaction ig

[innocentvillager]

Wow you’re good Anya, I actually am town this game!

I didn’t realize excuses was such a big scumtell for me lol. Was it really that bad in 2058

[innocentvillager]

I have evolved Datisi ! I am no longer scared as scum

...jk I’m always terrified still

[innocentvillager]

nah fuck that

I don’t want anyas blood on my hands

[innocentvillager]

This is not going to age well if she flips scum lmaooo

[innocentvillager]

let’s face it Anya doesn’t give a fuck about this game she’s just here to shit post

I don’t know how much she tries to play to wincon as scum if at all

But she’s doing a spectacularly bad job at it if she’s scum

[innocentvillager]

lmao so it’s a scumtell when Anya does it but you don’t?

[innocentvillager]

*but not when you do it

and I get counterpushed for even suggesting that it was alarming

[innocentvillager]

I mean you probably just die here

I think you’re slightly +rand to be town here but what do I fucking know

[innocentvillager]

Anya can you respond to datisi’s chronological accusation against you tho?

[innocentvillager]

why does it matter so much whether or not she’s voting you?

[innocentvillager]

y'all

anya called me town in 508

and all the posts she's claiming pinged her wrong about me (1221) happened

before

508

th is one please

[innocentvillager]

Clearly the answer here is to auto-lim Datisi if Anya flips green

This 100% a joke right?

[innocentvillager]

It’s not a lol vote

Anya is like at least here and sort of playing

Not mafia has not been here honestly probably +rand scum because it’s so hard to wagon NM while it was really easy to wagon anya

[innocentvillager]

it was an overall feeling so i just went looking for wolfy posts that explain the feeling tbh

i'm not sure which posts exactly pinged me back then

Datisi do you have any thoughts on this? I feel like it was basically your response to my thing but less words

[innocentvillager]

Has anyone experienced Not_Mafia being this inactive before?

Yes

He was town in mini normal 2160 literally never here

Although he did replace in so that’s a bit different.

He was town in 2200 and like had the best reads in the whole plist.

I think anecdotally nm aggressively providing content is +town.

[innocentvillager]

also i should prob wait for george to get back to me with those answers but asdfdkjsg

Also fuck you That's my personal tinfoil hat!!! Luca is one of those players where I have a nasty habits of townreading too quickly... same with ISIS... And that bit me hard that one time ISIS was scum.

this is also probably a town rxn

is it bad that my initial gut rxn to what you quoted was like. the exact opposite. idk.

Datisi I want to talk about this but I’m not sure where to start
I guess do you feel about your ability to read George on things like this? Is it pingy in a lamisty way?

[innocentvillager]

Part of me is tempted to flashwagon Not_Mafia here, but I think we have to be sensible and lim the vt claim

see this is the kind of attitude that like every town I’ve ever seen has

why would mafia ever claim VT when run up like this on D1 in this kind of meta? it just doesn’t make as much sense

[innocentvillager]

Datisi I want to talk about this but I’m not sure where to start
I guess do you feel about your ability to read George on things like this? Is it pingy in a lamisty way?

i don't feel great about it, my historical read rate on george is like 1 out of 3

pedit: thanks for the pedit i fucked up, it was actually 1 out of 4

also why you wanna flashwagon n_m?

In what direction?

I’ve never played with scum George so I really don’t know what he’s like as scum. I just know he can elimbaity as town through lack of content. I thought that line pinged townish just from the way he felt offended at you thinking his tinfoil was underwhelming

[innocentvillager]

I mean this is just basic game theory

if your understanding of the meta is town overly trust VT claims then sure I’m full of shit just kill the VT. In my experience most people have your attitude

[innocentvillager]

why should I hammer a slot I don’t really want to kill when we have plenty of time left?? what the fuck are you expecting me to do

[innocentvillager]

why is the idea of running up another slot to claim so scary to you people

[innocentvillager]

it’s not like we’re racing against the clock to do so

[innocentvillager]

why not?

[innocentvillager]

we can vote to kill Anya or nm based on developments at that time

[innocentvillager]

IV, stop being a coward and hammer.

whyyy do you have such a thirst for a hammer suddenly

I'm bored and I think Anya flips red 9/10 times based on her reax to the surprise wagon.

you are either scum or delusional town to think the odds are that high even if she does end up flipping red

[innocentvillager]

but more important cna you explain why?

[innocentvillager]

Iconeum is here at like literally the exact same timeframe every day every week every year

[innocentvillager]

@datisi do you agree with what Baltar is saying about Anya? we literally talked about some of these points together

[innocentvillager]

To your question, Anya has zero takes about the people on her wagon at first, indicating she is worried about wifom around buddies who might be on that wagon if she flips.

this is the only one we haven’t really discussed and I just think it’s kind of a meh “if she’s scum she’s minimiIng associatives” narrative thing I don’t really care for

[innocentvillager]

the ridiculous thing is that literally no matter what Anya flips, in today’s meta I just look worse for WKing her here (even though I’m not confident about her alignment)

[innocentvillager]

ugh really?

[innocentvillager]

i mean I’m potentially blinded by confbias because zero of baltars Anya points resonate with me but you’re saying they’re all reasonable

[innocentvillager]

tell someone else to hammer

like Ive made it clear I don’t really want to hammer this slot, there are plenty of other slots who aren’t voting her who will probably kill her anyway

okay serious question has anyone townread Anya at any point in the game?

[innocentvillager]

where are anyas scum buddies?

[innocentvillager]

what’s wrong with his confidence? we’ve both seen town Baltar confidently believe a slot is scum

[innocentvillager]

idk I guess I’m delusional and thought maybe your opinion on those might’ve changed or you’d at least reconsider I guess I’m just wrong. I just don’t see how any of this is scum!indicative

[innocentvillager]

I think I just need a break too. Thanks for unvoting I think. I’m confbiasing myself into townleaning Anya more than I should probably so I’ll get back to this at a later time.

[innocentvillager]

im gonna reorient and try to write up a readslist in the next couple of days provided we don't get to hammer

don't wait for it or anything, im just saying it here to commit to something so ill actually have motivation to do it

[innocentvillager]

also reskimming the last few pages, i hate all of the reactions to this wagon

i hate that luca is going "achkchually i can kinda see her beign town but idk lol yeet"
i hate that iv is apparently so tunnelled onto anya!town while also saying he's not confident there
i hate that vp went so suddenly from "lol idk can compromise there" to ~ b l o o d l u s t ~

how many scum are there in this game

what does this make you feel about anyas alignment?

I don’t hate that the thing about me annoys you gut Rxn but why wouldn’t I just try and go all in on Anya town instead of being conflicted

idk maybe that’s wifomy but like idk I just know I would never do really weird plays like this as scum

[innocentvillager]

Luca are you asking Datisi that to help sort him or are you waiting for his approval to switch to NM?

[innocentvillager]

running someone up is the higher variance play but that doesn’t make it -EV

saying that we could lose a TPR by running someone else up doesn’t include the possibility that we hit scum there/get a real showdown between Anya and person2 imo

[innocentvillager]

the ridiculous thing is that literally no matter what Anya flips, in today’s meta I just look worse for WKing her here (even though I’m not confident about her alignment)

What is WKing?

white knighting, scum hard-defending a scummy town basically

i feel like you're adding extra words there

all it really means in my book is aggressively defending someone who is potentially a popular target. i don't think it implies anything about either of our alignments

[innocentvillager]

i'm an all powerful all seeing death wielding destruction bringing apocalypse incarnate of a vt

Do you think there are scum on your wagon?

this is a grand mystery

this can die now

is this actually a scum reaction tho? both you and VP quoted this exact post and suddenly your confidence on Anya scum shot through the roof, as if this was somehow some crazily scum!indicative reaction. maybe not but that's the sense i get

[innocentvillager]

source Datisi? guess ive been using this wrong :O

[innocentvillager]

this level of confidence D1 is baffling

it literally is baffling to me, thank you

I kinda confess to wanting to see Innocent Villagers colour - the not hammering thing is just weird.

lol then you say this. i mean i made it very clear that i didn't feel like she was that scummy

[innocentvillager]

*sigh*

i don't know what's going this game

[innocentvillager]

Anya's wagon can be pure. I actually missed a lot of content I will check her iso later. I just need to motivate myself to do sth

when you get the chance can you please elaborate on the things you're saying, one short line about a random stance every day is not really enough content :/

i mean i get that this is kind of a big commitment tho and sometimes we don't have that much motivation to play this game

[innocentvillager]

Datisi how do you feel about Luca rn?

[innocentvillager]

Basically it’s the classic: "scum defending a doomed town to look good when they inevitably flip" tactic IV is suggesting they would likely do if they were scum and Anya town here.
But it also seems a bit bold for IV to put our attention on this if he’s scum as i said earlier. So leaning town...maybe...ish?

i guess im not saying i would for sure do it if i was scum and Anya was town. like idk exactly what im doing in this situation in this plist with my hypothetical partner set. i think i was just trying to say that if im scum then i feel like it's more likely that I'm WKing town!Anya by expressing some doubt about her wagon than doing a really (initially) bad/lackluster defense of scumbuddy!Anya. as scum id imagine in most scenarios id kind of sit back and enjoy the wagon on town!Anya or come up with some actual plan with my team to push someone else

[innocentvillager]

i dont' really have Luca sorted yet which is why i asked

im also ~townish~ on him but i feel like i should have less doubt at this point

[innocentvillager]

do you guys think Gypyx crumbing his role on opening post is town!indicative? i can't help but think that it could be, because he's pigeonholing himself into one exact claim

(unless he's big brained this and there are like, 5 different roles he crumbed with that post)

[innocentvillager]

ok why did you ask that then?

To make you realize that you’re suspecting me for taking a position that you actually agree with

ok but the difference is you taking that position makes you scum

???? lol what is going on

[innocentvillager]

shouldn0t

i need to use this colloquialism more

[innocentvillager]

I think Anya is town!


I feel like what she's doing would cause unnecessary attention as scum. She's also playing a lot like how she played last game where she was town. viewtopic.php?f=11&t=86079&user_select[]=34374

i don't think GeorgeBailey says this to a partner, fwiw.

[innocentvillager]

gth id kill any of {Iconeum, NM, GeorgeBailey}

but i want to reorient first before i commit to any scumreads

[innocentvillager]

im not really bored?

[innocentvillager]

i dont' really have Luca sorted yet which is why i asked

im also ~townish~ on him but i feel like i should have less doubt at this point

Do you feel that way because i obvtowned in the game you modded, Iv?

Because that was a very different gamestate given everyone was active. When the game is flat I also fall a little flat as a result

Still wondering about this @IV

uhhh partially ig? idk without going into specifics let's just say i have this impression that you should be obvtown to me or you're probably scum

[innocentvillager]

gth id kill any of {Iconeum, NM, GeorgeBailey}

but i want to reorient first before i commit to any scumreads

What are you reorienting from? When is this taking place? We have 3 days.

yes i understand

if you guys kill Anya before i get a chance to do this then whatever

[innocentvillager]

okay serious question has anyone townread Anya at any point in the game?

besides GeorgeBailey's recent random 1-liner, i think the answer to this question is no btw. if someone disagrees please lmk otherwise im going with this interpretation

[innocentvillager]

because there are 3 scum in this game, not 1

[innocentvillager]

Innocentvillager is null

the fact that im so bleh in your readslist despite me being fairly active this game and you engaging me a decent amt and taking opinions on my posting (i dont' even get an "innocentvillager???" tier like Datisi or Gypyx, im just with the lurkers and ico lol)

compared to the magnitude of your opinion on other players who i don't feel like you've interacted with as much

does stick out to me a little idk

[innocentvillager]

...so scum would automatically townread each other?

That’s not how the game works. It’s not as if there’s been much reason to tr Anya, and her scum partners would be extra conscious of that fact

let me ask you a question Luca

you're scum here with Anya and like one random person like me

is there any reason to let Anya just die here?

[innocentvillager]

okay better more direct question

do you think scum just lolbussed their troll partner Anya on D1 when it very easily could've been swung onto like, AliceK, GeorgeBailey, Not_Mafia?