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[samantha97]

ya I already explained this yesterday and today

sorry if you genuinely have questions but I don't want to get mired in this & from my perspective it's already been hashed out

[samantha97]

What I'm looking for is: what led you to believe that your opinion about the claim was more likely to be accurate than, for example, Infinity's?

I don't believe you've answered this.

huh? I don't think infinity claimed

[samantha97]

didn't consider it/care depending on how you look at it

[samantha97]

You're in no position to act superior, given you've played worse than anyone this game if you're town

If you really believe I'm scum why don't you vote me and push my lim instead of continuous posturing like this?

yes you're a seasoned warrior of day 1 gj

and I'm not voting you because there's no chance of enough people agreeing with me now

if you're mafia, the only way through you is through associatives, which I hope umlaut provides

[samantha97]

yeah look at the votes on umlaut

100% town

[samantha97]

I could too but would anya really be wisest out of the pool?

[samantha97]

I am interested in a vote count

[samantha97]

first I wanna say I hate you all

second:
3:6 m:t
1 OutWorldER
2 Umlaut
3 LlamaFluff
4 Iconeum
5 Datisi
6 Anya
7 Something_Smart (replacing Esotericzoomer)
8 samantha97
9 Koto (replacing Momrangal)


if we lynch anya and she is town:
3:4
koto nked
1 OutWorldER
2 Umlaut
3 LlamaFluff
4 Iconeum
5 Datisi
6 Something_Smart (replacing Esotericzoomer)
7 samantha97

if we lynch llama and he's town
3:4
me nked
1 OutWorldER
2 Umlaut
3 Iconeum
4 Datisi
5 Anya
6 Something_Smart (replacing Esotericzoomer)
7 Koto (replacing Momrangal)

if we lynch anya and she is mafia:
2:5
me nked
1 OutWorldER
2 Umlaut
3 LlamaFluff
4 Iconeum
5 Datisi
6 Something_Smart (replacing Esotericzoomer)
7 Koto (replacing Momrangal)

if we lynch llama and he is mafia:
2:5
anya nked
1 OutWorldER
2 Umlaut
3 Iconeum
4 Datisi
5 Something_Smart (replacing Esotericzoomer)
6 samantha97
7 Koto (replacing Momrangal)

if we lynch umlaut and he is mafia
2:5
anya nked; koto conftowned
1 OutWorldER
2 LlamaFluff
3 Iconeum
4 Datisi
5 Something_Smart (replacing Esotericzoomer)
6 samantha97
7 Koto (replacing Momrangal)

if we lynch umlaut and he is town
3:4
???
???

so all that to say we should ignore anya's claimed results and her mafia claim and get rid of umlaut

VOTE: umlaut

[samantha97]

I shoulda put a koto conftowned under llama mafia oh well

[samantha97]

it's going strong

[samantha97]

no let's talk about the d1/2d wagons in relation to umlaut

[samantha97]

I accidentally turned dyslexic in the middle of that sentence

[samantha97]

Samantha, why vote Umlaut when outworlder is #1?

#1 what

[samantha97]

Check out Samantha trying to avoid resolving between Anya/Llama though

we don't have to because your team will resolve it for us

if anya is town we'd just be giving you your dream situation by lynching her

if she's mafia poe will crush you guys anyway

[samantha97]

VOTE: anya

I'm throwing my hands up

I wanted to vote anya yesterday and I can see how tomorrow could go wrong if she isn't dead

I looked at her more closely before the day even ended and can see how she could be mafia from just posts alone

[samantha97]

If you can completely ignore Anya, me and OW though... I guess feel free.

does firing a nuclear missile at you all count as ignoring

[samantha97]

are you mailman llama?

[samantha97]

yes

[samantha97]

so far we have umlaut and llama refusing to claim

I wonder if that's scared mafia

[samantha97]

VOTE: llamafluff

[samantha97]

VOTE: outworlder

we're most likely not doing this today but it's nice to dream

don't try to steal my dreams

[samantha97]

samantha why are you voting llama

cause you aren't tbh

[samantha97]

why did luca have the power to kill you but not me

[samantha97]

on the heels of me elaborating when asked

I see how it is

also doesn't killing anya clear koto and condemn llama? seems most efficient to me

[samantha97]

mafia are often frustrated when their ruses don't work

[samantha97]

VOTE: anya ~

[samantha97]

I've been saying whynaut umlaut for a while now

[samantha97]

Spoiler:

Anyway, I think my big takeaway from a quick read is OW is town. VT claim in this situation to me is a massive towntell, its not like there is no other wagon that things can shift off to. Its almost strong enough that if OW is scum, I think it forces Umulat to be scum because that would have probably been where all the attention went (note that only works one way, OW-town or Umulat-scum by itself doesnt massively impact the other). Unless site meta has massively shifted, a D1 PR claim unless it really makes no sense, gets countered, etc tends to live... VT not so much. So yeah, defense mode on OW activated based on the classic tells.

I wrote a whole thing here about why I'm not sure I agree claiming VT is the massive towntell you seem to think it is but then realized I don't care since there's really no reason to scumread OW anyway.

Spoiler:

VOTE: outworlder

if someone hammers without a claim they should get instalynched tomorrow

last mini normal I played mafia hammered a neighborizer before they could claim, cause they were inactive like outworlder/umlaut

This bothers me (emphasis mine). This *really* bothers me because of the implications of it all. There is a difference between saying "no one hammer without a claim" and "no one hammer or they get ran up tomorrow". The second part, which Samantha decided to use here, includes a direct implication that OW is town, which is a very odd one to make as that flies in the face of their reads. Samantha is approaching OW from two different midsets. The first is that OW is scum and needs to go today. The second one is anyone who hammers without a claim is scum, unless you believe that she is seriously suggesting that if someone hammers without a claim that they are scum regardless of what OW flips. The natural mindset is "that was risky, but lets see what happens" if someone hammers a scumread with no claim. Not "you did X that automatically means Y". Because if OW is scum... hammering without a claim wouldnt be a scumtell unless Samantha is seriously suggesting scum would just hammer a partner without letting them claim.

Vote Samantha

Lets see what type of last minute push we can make.

I can maybe buy this but I'd like to see how Samantha responds to it.

no one should have responded that this was a good argument, or that there was no reason to think outworlder was mafia

like really? you're town and you can't think of a single reason why some stranger who you ostensibly don't know the alignment of could be mafia?

[samantha97]

VOTE: umlaut

[samantha97]

koto i thought you were town how is it llama over anya here

Since I am heavily SR Umlaut who just voted Anya.

also that's like the 3rd or 4th post that datisi has made trying to dissuade people from llama

[samantha97]

you won't cause you're scared of what people will think of you cause mafia

[samantha97]

oreo gobbler indicative

[samantha97]

VOTE: anya

[samantha97]

I'm so torn over the consistency of that wagon lol

[samantha97]

I said consistency when I meant constitution

that's how torn I am

VOTE: llamafluff

[samantha97]

why are the 3 shady people voting the other shady person

[samantha97]

yes I can see anya as mafia

the problem is I can see you outworlder and umlaut as mafia as well

the only people I actually feel good about being town are koto and something_smart

[samantha97]

VOTE: anya

ok idc locking in my vote here and afking

if town it's +2 -1 & makes sense to policy this

I'm just gonna ignore what I think of the 3 of you and any posts that follow this to avoid talking myself out of it, cya tomorrow

[samantha97]

did I mention I hate you all

UNVOTE:

[samantha97]

I actually do love koto

[samantha97]

VOTE: anya

[samantha97]

why are you saying maybe instead of definitely

[samantha97]

[samantha97]

its 6 v 3 with someone at l-1 for days

theres no way anya is town at this point

[samantha97]

i am Almost down to actually seriously start calling for outworld's head instead of these two

reminder that datisi is mafia

[samantha97]

VOTE: llamafluff

not talking

let's end day fast and ask for fast night

[samantha97]

VOTE: llamafluff

btw that 1 vote is all mafia needs to rush the game to an end

I invite them to do it if anya threw that hard

[samantha97]

when was this town ever working together anyway...

be the change you want to see

by voting llama with us

[samantha97]

day and night kills are already locked in

massclaim is anti-town

now for real that's the last thing I'm gonna say today unless I get into prod range

[samantha97]

[samantha97]

ok he claimed gogogo

[samantha97]

I liked kpop before it was cool and no longer like it

[samantha97]

I discovered that song from playing 던파 aka dungeon fighter online, which I recommend everyone try if you haven't

https://www.dfoneople.com/

it has a super high budget cause of the chinese playerbase; it's bigger than WoW

[samantha97]

[samantha97]

you might just be a good dog after all

[samantha97]

ask for fast night pls

[samantha97]

I've been claimed since d1 so no idea why you all put me in a claim list to begin with lol

[samantha97]

dazzle me with your

fake

claims

[samantha97]

yep

[samantha97]

I won't tell you that until tomorrow

I'll only tell you one today

but hold your horses anyway, let's get claims done

[samantha97]

yes

cop is my irl power role

[samantha97]

so transitively you're all claiming iconeum is the mailman

what do you say iconeum

[samantha97]

hi I want to ask you and iconeum a couple of things

first, why have both of you, in multiple ways, suggested that koto was not going to be/would possibly not be the nk last night?

second, even though one has an enabler and the other has obfuscation, town has 2 cops in a 13p game supposedly... does that not seem op?

I'm gonna go work on something while you answer that

[samantha97]

bonus question to everyone: what is your takeaway from reading this?

Datisi

(2):

Luca Blight, Momrangal

Anya

(2): Iconeum,

Anya

Luca Blight

(1): Datisi

Not Voting

(8):

LlamaFluff,

Rathe, esotericzoomer, samantha97, Infinity 324

, OutWorldER, Umlaut,

Andresvmb

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Datisi

(3):

Luca Blight, Momrangal, samantha97

samantha97

(2): Datisi, Umlaut

Anya

(2): Iconeum, OutWorldER

Luca Blight

(2):

Infinity 324, Anya

Not Voting

(4):

LlamaFluff

,

Rathe, esotericzoomer, Andresvmb

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Datisi

(3):

Luca Blight, samantha97, Andresvmb

Anya

(3): Iconeum, OutWorldER,

LlamaFluff

LlamaFluff

(2):

Rathe, Infinity 324

samantha97

(2): Datisi, Umlaut

Luca Blight

(1):

Anya

Umlaut

(1):

Momrangal

Not Voting

(1):

esotericzoomer

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Datisi

(2):

samantha97, Andresvmb

Rathe

(2): OutWorldER, Iconeum

samantha97

(2): Datisi, Umlaut

Momrangal

(1):

Anya

Infinity 324

(1):

esotericzoomer

OutWorldER

(1):

Luca Blight

Umlaut

(1):

Momrangal

Not Voting

(3):

LlamaFluff

,

Rathe, Infinity 324

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

samantha97

(4): Datisi, Umlaut,

Infinity 324, Anya

Rathe

(3): OutWorldER, Iconeum,

samantha97

Datisi

(1):

Andresvmb

Infinity 324

(1):

esotericzoomer

OutWorldER

(1):

Luca Blight

Umlaut

(1):

Momrangal

Not Voting

(2):

LlamaFluff

,

Rathe

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

samantha97

(4): Datisi,

Infinity 324, Rathe, Andresvmb

Iconeum

(4):

LlamaFluff

, Umlaut,

esotericzoomer, samantha97

Umlaut

(2):

Momrangal

, Iconeum

OutWorldER

(2):

Luca Blight, Anya

Not Voting

(1): OutWorldER

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Iconeum

(4):

LlamaFluff

, Umlaut,

esotericzoomer, samantha97

Umlaut

(4):

Momrangal

, Iconeum, Datisi,

Infinity 324

samantha97

(2):

Rathe, Andresvmb

OutWorldER

(2):

Luca Blight, Anya

Not Voting

(1): OutWorldER

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Umlaut

(4):

Momrangal

, Iconeum, Datisi,

Infinity 324

OutWorldER

(4):

Luca Blight, Anya, esotericzoomer, samantha97

samantha97

(2):

Rathe, Andresvmb

Iconeum

(2):

LlamaFluff

, Umlaut

Not Voting

(1): OutWorldER

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Umlaut

(4):

Momrangal

, Iconeum, Datisi,

Infinity 324

OutWorldER

(4):

Luca Blight, esotericzoomer, samantha97, Anya

samantha97

(3):

Rathe, Andresvmb

, OutWorldER

Iconeum

(2):

LlamaFluff

, Umlaut

Ifyoudont

(1):

put'orange'in, yournextpost, imvotingyou

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Umlaut

(4):

Momrangal

, Datisi, Iconeum,

Anya

OutWorldER

(2):

Luca Blight, samantha97

samantha97

(1): OutWorldER

Iconeum

(1): Umlaut

LlamaFluff

(1):

Infinity 324

Not Voting

(4):

esotericzoomer, Rathe

,

LlamaFluff

,

Andresvmb

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Umlaut

(6): Datisi, Iconeum,

Anya, Momrangal, Infinity 324, Rathe

[E-1]

OutWorldER

(3):

Luca Blight, samantha97, esotericzoomer

samantha97

(1): OutWorldER

Iconeum

(1): Umlaut

Not Voting

(2):

LlamaFluff

,

Andresvmb

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Umlaut

(5): Datisi, Iconeum,

Momrangal, Infinity 324, Rathe

[E-2]

OutWorldER

(3):

Luca Blight, samantha97, esotericzoomer

samantha97

(1): OutWorldER

Rathe

(1):

Anya

Not Voting

(3):

LlamaFluff

,

Andresvmb

, Umlaut

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

OutWorldER

(4):

samantha97, esotericzoomer, Andresvmb

, Datisi

Umlaut

(3):

Momrangal, Infinity 324, Rathe

Infinity 324

(2):

Anya

, Umlaut

Datisi

(2):

Luca Blight

, OutWorldER

Luca Blight

(1): Iconeum

Not Voting

(1):

LlamaFluff

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Umlaut

(4):

Momrangal, Infinity 324, Rathe

, OutWorldER

esotericzoomer

(3): Iconeum, Datisi,

Anya

OutWorldER

(2):

samantha97, esotericzoomer

Infinity 324

(2): Umlaut,

Andresvmb

Datisi

(1):

Luca Blight

Not Voting

(1):

LlamaFluff

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

I wanna go play Another Eden so I'm cutting this post short before the llama wagon(s?), if anyone wants to do those that'd be super neat

[samantha97]

well datisi failed the test of town

anyone else wanna try

[samantha97]

people voting llama: (Luca Blight formerly) Datisi, Iconeum, Koto, Rathe, Anya, Infinity 324

people who didn't: me, andres, outworlder, umlaut

I know I'm town so the way I see it either andres/outworlder/umlaut are all mafia (possible lol) or there is/was mafia on the wagon

look I'm too impatient for how inactive you all are

VOTE: umlaut

let's pull out the guns

[samantha97]

hmm no comment from datisi for 40 minutes

[samantha97]

can y'all just vote for umlaut

just like yesterday, the lynch and nightkills were decided before today

if you have reservations just look at those vote counts + (regarding me) llama's interactions with me, and how llama never even talked to umlaut until after he was outed as mafia

[samantha97]

[samantha97]

umlaut has been in snipe range for over 24 hours now

[samantha97]

where do you get this idea from?

votes and stuff

[samantha97]

umlaut has been in snipe range for over 24 hours now

and?

and it proves that either umlaut is mafia or I am (or that the mafia in this game is just horrible)

it's been 35 hours now

if you think umlaut is more likely town than me I have a wonderful bridge to sell you after this game

[samantha97]

or that we're both mafia *spooky arm movements*

[samantha97]

I think she thought I was just going to get fastyeeted today and she didn't have to do anything

no one who experienced yesterday would genuinely think that lol

llama hardconfirmed mafia and still takes like a week to lynch him

but thx to my vote and the passage of time you are now almost as confirmed as he was

[samantha97]

it's now the 2 day anniversary of umlaut being in snipe range

[samantha97]

please start working with whoever the fuck you think is town?

that's my line

umlaut is mafia and if you've read the thread you'd know that

it's super obvious just glancing at llama's iso

you're going to take the W whether you like it or not

[samantha97]

like I said I have no interest in broadcasting my thoughts about tomorrow before tomorrow

I'm not gonna give mafia a roadmap for who to nightkill

as for why umlaut, I already did

umlaut was -1 and llama didn't hammer
umlaut was also absent from the llama wagon
llama also never even spoke to umlaut until after he was outed by anya

if you want more details check my recent posts

[samantha97]

oh and both umlaut and llama have had no reads in the entire game, plus umlaut thought llama's nonsensical point about me saying not to lynch before a roleclaim was good lol

[samantha97]

the question isn't "is samantha partnered with llama?" it's "is umlaut partnered with llama?"

if you think we both are then just capitalize on my vote on him

[samantha97]

because your keyboard is telling you to capitalize on my vote

[samantha97]

umlaut was -1 and llama didn't hammer
umlaut was also absent from the llama wagon
llama also never even spoke to umlaut until after he was outed by anya

oh and both umlaut and llama have had no reads in the entire game, plus umlaut thought llama's nonsensical point about me saying not to lynch before a roleclaim was good lol

people voting llama: (Luca Blight formerly) Datisi, Iconeum, Koto, Rathe, Anya, Infinity 324

people who didn't: me, andres, outworlder, umlaut

Spoiler:

VOTE: outworlder

if someone hammers without a claim they should get instalynched tomorrow

last mini normal I played mafia hammered a neighborizer before they could claim, cause they were inactive like outworlder/umlaut

This bothers me (emphasis mine). This *really* bothers me because of the implications of it all. There is a difference between saying "no one hammer without a claim" and "no one hammer or they get ran up tomorrow". The second part, which Samantha decided to use here, includes a direct implication that OW is town, which is a very odd one to make as that flies in the face of their reads. Samantha is approaching OW from two different midsets. The first is that OW is scum and needs to go today. The second one is anyone who hammers without a claim is scum, unless you believe that she is seriously suggesting that if someone hammers without a claim that they are scum regardless of what OW flips. The natural mindset is "that was risky, but lets see what happens" if someone hammers a scumread with no claim. Not "you did X that automatically means Y". Because if OW is scum... hammering without a claim wouldnt be a scumtell unless Samantha is seriously suggesting scum would just hammer a partner without letting them claim.

Vote Samantha

Lets see what type of last minute push we can make.

I can maybe buy this but I'd like to see how Samantha responds to it.

also look at the colored vote counts I posted

[samantha97]

click llama's iso and ctrl f "umlaut wrote" and you'll see he only directly responded to him after 3400 posts

[samantha97]

me @ everyone here:

it's going to be okay baby

just vote umlaut and believe in the heart of the cards

[samantha97]

ah yes, a vegetalable

to leek or not to leek

[samantha97]

except for politely requesting no speedvoting tomorrow.

kekeke

[samantha97]

why are you basically saying you think umlaut is mafia while not voting

do it

do it for all the town that died before us

[samantha97]

because iconeum might have something to say and i'd like for him to have an opportunity to do so

mafia

[samantha97]

1 day 19 hours left

starting to think mafia really just wants to bet on a town apathy loss here lol

[samantha97]

iconeum is back from v/la tomorrow morning, chill.

[samantha97]

hi I am awake because of a mysterious illness don't leave without voting umlaut so we don't auto lose from a timeout pls

[samantha97]

we've got tonight

who needs tomorrow

[samantha97]

tf would we lynch outworlder when umlaut is confirmed mafia

that's just keeping the poe pool bigger and reducing odds of winning massively

[samantha97]

well ostensibly town!you is arguing to throw the game today lol

[samantha97]

because I can make a compelling case for every person here being mafia, including myself

it'd be nice if one of you died thx

[samantha97]

like i would legit prefer an outworld flip right now over umlaut just to make sure Samantha votes for actual scum tomorrow

ok now why would you as mafia not ask the same thing?

[samantha97]

if you are mafia then you have a strong motivation to move the vote off of umlaut for an auto win

[samantha97]

I don't know that you aren't

and like I said I can make a convincing case that everyone is

[samantha97]

samantha, his point is that he'd bet the game on me being town right now and he has a very bad feeling you're just gonna lolvote me for the loss tomorrow

I fully understand his point

where is your suspicion of him trying to pull one over?

[samantha97]

and they'll have received a helping hand by the two of you hemming and hawing for 2 weeks about things that should be obvious

[samantha97]

if you want me to read you as town act town thx

[samantha97]

ya I did and in reply you gave me more fodder for thinking you were mafia

that's my point

[samantha97]

i think i'm just gonna go fuck all and not give you your preferred flip

just to spite you

oh look another post about not voting umlaut

if you're town stop posting in a way that makes sense as mafia pls

[samantha97]

no I was responding to him, specifically where he ignored all the stuff I said about umlaut then replied to the first 1/2 lines of my post and then later posted that he didn't notice the other half of it

[samantha97]

again, if you're so concerned about a lurker win this is the opposite of productive

[samantha97]

who's town

me

I'm not going to instavote if I'm alive tomorrow anyway

idk why you think I'm some amateur lol

[samantha97]

i think you making your townread of me clear is gonna be worth something tomorrow at least

Spoiler:

[samantha97]

nope I wanted this to end like 5 days ago lol

plus gypyx probably isn't here

[samantha97]

gg ez

[samantha97]

I knew it'd be a 100% win once I pushed llama lol

[samantha97]

I'm just glad umlaut rolled over

[samantha97]

the most nerve wracking part was the anya votes

it looked so bad but thankfully umlaut voted there too

[samantha97]

anyway it was nice playing with you all

no hard feelings I hope lol

[samantha97]

don't apologize for being right

[samantha97]

I swear I read some people's posts in a robot voice when they say eliminate

sounding like an android lol

[samantha97]

hi my name is samantha

[samantha97]

VOTE: outworlder

I was going to drag this out and make it sporting but you were boring and gave up

sad

[samantha97]

if there's some fire in you though I could be persuaded to unvote before iconeum wakes up, if you make a case for both of us being mafia

[samantha97]

giving up is not looking beyond datisi for why either of us is mafia

you've had no reads all game and you still don't even when there's mountains of reasons to think both of us are mafia or town

[samantha97]

even on the offchance you're town I don't even feel bad cause this is unavoidable with your effort

[samantha97]

like I could write a dissertation on why iconeum is mafia in this game, there's 0 reason to just be like hmm y kill datisi y mafia mailman

those reasons do give me pause, but you umlaut and llama all shared the same problem of having stunted reads in this game

idk if you were all psyching each other out in mafia chat or what

[samantha97]

no I'm acting like you aren't interested in knowing anything because you already have the cheat sheet and it stunted your ability to read people in this game

if you're town and wait for iconeum you're guaranteeing a loss

[samantha97]

how @ what?

[samantha97]

cause that would make him mafia??

[samantha97]

slip? lol

[samantha97]

the only answer to your question is the source of your question: the same doubt you're supposedly having now

[samantha97]

I'm gonna level with you: I was testing out a nightkill shaping strategy this whole game

sadly it failed with luca but I intended for datisi to live until today, and die by your hand last night

that's why I tried to get in a small argument with iconeum before the day ended to influence your decision

I actually planned on being in the final 3 a long time ago lol

that's why it was so funny to me when your mask slipped in response to me saying the lynch/nks were already decided before today

[samantha97]

because bringing us was the best of both worlds

I already expressed doubts in iconeum being town immediately preceding this day, and he already expressed doubts about me being town

plus the whole datisi angle that you keep pushing which btw makes no sense for me to do either

[samantha97]

either way maybe I'm wrong, who knows I'm not omniscient

if I am you sure aren't playing to salvage the game (as in, you aren't going to read and determine who is what/show no evidence of ever having done that)

[samantha97]

datisi heavily townread me, it'd be a needless gamble

you gotta try harder than that

[samantha97]

I suggest using actual posts and events that happened more than 1 day ago to make it seem like you care

[samantha97]

you need to give off the impression you aren't informed and have to reach for an answer

I'm trying to help you put up a fight here but you're still choosing the lazy route

[samantha97]

cliffnotes for why he's mafia: his reaction to gg ez, his weird glossing and re-addressing of my posts, his unwillingness to vote both llama and umlaut at the end, and even suggesting we not vote for umlaut at all, the fact that he claimed a cop in a 13 player game when town already has another cop and mafia has 2 goons flipped, his sudden shift in read on me mid-game, his weird read on me late game as if starting from a clean slate and ignoring all my past posts

cliffnotes for why he's town: all the past votes in the game - he voted to lynch both llama and umlaut early on (with real possibility of it happening) and was wagoned by both umlaut and llama, he has actual reads, he asks questions with at least an appearance of actually wanting to know, his cop claim is believable due to him + all the neighbors being a miller with rathe alive (he's basically a counter-miller), plus as I said said from day 1 momrangal andres and iconeum were confirmed town by my l33t skillz

you got duped into bringing him to lylo lol

[samantha97]

votes rarely lie, I felt way better about iconeum being town than datisi

[samantha97]

now is your chance to put some effort in

copy off my town mindset that I just gave you

I doubt it'll make a difference but who knows

[samantha97]

I hate you outworlder

it was nice playing with everyone though