Mini Normal 2205: RotITGBSMoD [game over!]

[osuka]

like, playing like "well if she is town, we know VFP town" I really feel like that's not the optimal plan here. ahhhhh

I disagree, actually. A Confirmed Town can be very useful. VFP’s contributions haven’t been great I mean they think I’m Scum for some reason but still.

the issue here is that if vfp is confirmed town, scum might just kill that slot and then that's pretty unfortunate, because we'd have to rely on n2 actions

[osuka]

@salsa, oh I'm pretty sure dragons is flipping town, but there was a big wagon on him so I wanted to see, like if anyone would quick vote STD while I had STD at E-1, and in the process VFP tried to create as much distance from STD as he could... but yeah, STD's slot is just complicated, I'm like too sure he's flipping town, it's great

Yeah, I'm suspicious about

VFP

too atm. Want to wagon him?

VOTE: VFP

as i said i dont think vfp is the kill for d1 but i'm definitely willing to listen

vfp really doesn't feel like a terrible choice. they have a scum read on greencrayons for, as far as i can tell, merely disagreeing with them re: humour being a problem. they distanced themself from the STD wagon for very shoddy reasons in 1577 as soon as people started talking about the likelihood of scum being on it, and have been doing a whole lot of nothing for... pages and pages now.

If Asteria is Town, and VFP is Town, I think I would look here. There were some posts at the end of the day that pinged me about Insidious and I was trying to figure out why I had that feeling and I don’t know, there’s something here.

lemons has been screaming town for all of d2 for me. elaborate?

[osuka]

okay so i posted that before i read the part where you did elaborate

d A D D Y

[Andresvmb]

You know what I’m starting to think? I think Asteria’s Claim is a bit too strong for a Scum fake claim. The non-consecutive is honestly quite spot on if Scum, but something tells me here that we should let it self-resolve instead and just look for actually Scummy play. Asteria has been way too focused on me though they’ve wavered at times, but I would actually want to flip a player I’m actively Scum reading. That for me would be Insidious. I’m looking at the list of names still left around, and I am beginning to think it’s a slot worth flipping.

[Andresvmb]

Like we have an actual two player block basically that the Scum are going to have to penetrate if we don’t flip it. The Scum aren’t going to keep VFP/Asteria around all game if they’re Town, no way. Because they’re never executing each other. I want the Scum to have to make a choice.

[osuka]

absolutely not, that's a brilliant scum claim and i've almost lost a game here because a _townie_ fakeclaimed another townie's role (i was scum) without confirmation that A. they were town, and B. they were the role they actually were. if that's possible with town aligned players, imagine what mafia can do with a fucking private thread

VOTE: asteria because this wagon needs to not die and i'm confident that slot flips red, then we get vfp tomorrow and it's basically game

[osuka]

like she claims nea that happens to be non-consecutive and happens to clear one of the scummiest slots in the game? get out of here

[osuka]

vfp looked so fucking confused too, he's like "uh she's lying" and then "oh yeah i'm vt for the record"

[osuka]

like town vfp doesn't do that. if they are ACTUALLY vt, they don't just go "oh yeah the neapolitan is lying... hahaha jk actually i'm vt that's totally my role right guys"

[Andresvmb]

like she claims nea that happens to be non-consecutive and happens to clear one of the scummiest slots in the game? get out of here

But it’s an actually excellent choice if Town. Clearing the Scummiest slot in the game is exactly what you do.

I am thinking about it this way - the universe of players that are confident enough to tie themselves mechanically to their Scum Partners is small. I’ve seen VPBaltar do it under extreme duress (after they were trapped mechanically by Town), and I’ve seen Flavor Leaf do it (with Koba). Other than that? It’s a rarity. Even if Asteria is Scum, I would gamble that VFP is Town more often than not. I had some time to think about it, and that’s what I concluded.

I’m not saying we never execute Asteria in this game. But I am getting a worse vibe out of Lemons.

[Datisi]

vote count 2.12

with 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-04-30 18:15:00).

execution

Andresvmb [3]:

T3, Asteria, VFP

Asteria [3]:

Salsabil Faria, Anya, osuka

Andante [1]:

DkKoba

InsidiousLemons [1]:

Andresvmb

not voting [3]:

PookyTheMagicalBear, InsidiousLemons, Andante

mod notes

~ searching for a replacement for salsabil faria

flavour

[Anya]

i thought VFP's little reaction test interaction with asteria was good actually

that didn't look like they were both up performing opera together

[Anya]

asteria looked genuinely confused there which means asteria if wolf is probably some kind of role cop or one of her teammates is at least

[DkKoba]

can i just say andres has this way with words that makes me just like - shit this dude is smarter than me in this game and idk how i even win games kinda vibe.

VOTE: lemon

fucking sold me just like the cook sell in the mason game we had (rip power trip masons tho lmfao)

[VFP]

like town vfp doesn't do that. if they are ACTUALLY vt, they don't just go "oh yeah the neapolitan is lying... hahaha jk actually i'm vt that's totally my role right guys"

asteria Green flip I'd be down to lim this.

[Datisi]

clidd replaces Salsabil Faria.

[VFP]

Clidd is probably the motivation I need to get back into this game. So that's a good replace.

[DkKoba]

welcome clidd

[Asteria]

@asteria in your perfect world where andres and salsa are the next 2 elims (imagining for the sake of the hypothetical that no one is NK'd), who do you check N3?

This would be my pool of people worth checking in that case: {T3, osuka, Anya, PookyTheMagicalBear, InsidiousLemons}
I think I would check Pooky since we know from Andante they don't have a gun. That way if I get not VT the chances of them being scum are very high.
Anya would be a good check too in hopes of a VT result.

[Asteria]

If Asteria is fake, I think she just randomly picked someone everyone fossed. Like, I'm confused why she picks someone everyone else was sus of, then goes "well I didn't fos VFP" like, she also never said she TRed VFP either d1... idk, I'm kinda just down with yeeting her and just a "sorry if wrong" mindset


like, so many are already voting her, and most have barely said anything, like Koba and osuka are so convinced she's flipping scum... yet idk

If at the end of the day I'm seeing someone get scumread but I don't feel the same, it makes sense to target there. I just saved someone who was almost for sure going to be miselimed and now we can focus elsewhere and hopefully get a scum elim

[Asteria]

super sure? nah. sure enough to put her up as the lim, and be okay with it if i'm wrong and we lose a limited-usefulness PR in the process? yeah

Um I can clear people. That's pretty useful

[Asteria]

* Yeah the issue with VFP subtly claiming pr, was that Asteria was stuck with this neo claim after I forced her to claim it, so whichever VT she picked, she had to stick with it.

i didn't make this connection. that's actually a rather strong point in her favour

p-edit only likely to get NK'd as town. i said this in the context of the worst case scenario where we flip asteria and it turns out the claim was real.

Pooky makes a good point. Leave me. If I live long enough to make another claim then you can elim me because there's no reason I should still be alive then.

[Asteria]

@salsa, oh I'm pretty sure dragons is flipping town, but there was a big wagon on him so I wanted to see, like if anyone would quick vote STD while I had STD at E-1, and in the process VFP tried to create as much distance from STD as he could... but yeah, STD's slot is just complicated, I'm like too sure he's flipping town, it's great

Yeah, I'm suspicious about

VFP

too atm. Want to wagon him?

VOTE: VFP

as i said i dont think vfp is the kill for d1 but i'm definitely willing to listen

vfp really doesn't feel like a terrible choice. they have a scum read on greencrayons for, as far as i can tell, merely disagreeing with them re: humour being a problem. they distanced themself from the STD wagon for very shoddy reasons in 1577 as soon as people started talking about the likelihood of scum being on it, and have been doing a whole lot of nothing for... pages and pages now.

If Asteria is Town, and VFP is Town, I think I would look here. There were some posts at the end of the day that pinged me about Insidious and I was trying to figure out why I had that feeling and I don’t know, there’s something here.

Even though insidious is going after me I still think they're town here. They're thought process and progression is very towny even if it's wrong about me

[Asteria]

despite all this, i have to admit that on a gut level, their crusade against andres feels more like town tunnel vision than anything else.

@Asteria, if you knew I was Town, would this strike you as TMI’ish?

It's possible but the reads on you this game are so mixed that I can see it being an honest townread on you. The progression on me is really well faked too if Lemons is scum and doesn't really look like TMI on me for what that's worth.

[DkKoba]

who is the scumteam gth asteria