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[innocentvillager]

it’s way too convenient that right as Hopkirk died

also oka Im confused at why you are pushing jjh? I feel like if anything you could like... try to convince us that you and jjh are both town? I don’t see how that’s completely impossible at least?

[innocentvillager]

i get that you think his checks are suboptimal, and that you are pushing for the fact that he is "creating a worldview where his checks are not suboptimal"

but i also think it's pretty clear that if, for example, you strongly TR the person who claimed VT (such as Ythan in this case), people (me and Ceph here, for example) would definitely not have checked them?

I should probably be paying more attention here huh

I'm very confident on Mastina town and fairly confident on Titus town. I don't really think Bell is scum here

I'd probably be happier to vote Agar if I have to move off winter flakes (alt of Uncrowned) but that wagon is gone.

this is jjh's most recent stance on Titus. so yeah they're suboptimal without more information but it makes sense when combined with his reads to just target someone he thought was scummy

[innocentvillager]

if we’re gonna do massclaim let’s do it otherwise I’m ready to vote

[innocentvillager]

I don’t understand why you are resigned to your death when you could try to get jjh flipped today

[innocentvillager]

I don’t think it’s as incriminating as you think, he thinks Titus is town, he doesn’t think you’re town, he checked you

I wouldn’t have done the same thing but he did say he was very confident

Occam’s razor says he is UB

Not some super specific role which just happened to not get a N1 check

[innocentvillager]

why is there no doubt in your mind jjh is scum oka

[innocentvillager]

jjh is there no doubt in your mind oka is scum?

[innocentvillager]

how is it not how Occam’s razor works

[innocentvillager]

if there is a town universal backup this game, this scenario happens 100% of the time, we know Dannflor was night killed

so it’s about comparing the probability of the setup design having a

Town universal backup or
Scum novice announcing neapolitan (along with dannflor’s role)
Scum announcing meapolitan that targeted dgb n1
Scum backup announcing neapolitan (along with dannflors role)

which of the 4 scenarios seems the most likely?

[innocentvillager]

do you agree that given what we see, it is one of the 4 scenarios?

if that’s the case, then it’s literally just assigning a probability to each of them

[innocentvillager]

oka there is some doubt in my mind that you are scum

But it’s not because I think jjh is scum

[innocentvillager]

I mean there are probably very small variations of those like restricting to X-shot, scum holstered for whatever weird reason, etc

[innocentvillager]

honestly

I don’t think the list of team tried to mindfuck us with a crazy setup that they haphazardly passed in a couple days

Obviously there was a vig to speed things up, but I doubt they would go for anything crazy. I feel like having two copies of this role when dannflor was already a announcing neap is kind of crazy. The least crazy version is scum backup announcing neap. Idk. Could be wrong on that

[innocentvillager]

maybe the scum backup announcing neap is to induce swing which makes games go faster. Maybe it’s a real possibility. Idk

I still think the UB narrative is way more believeable and jjh has kind of been acting like a confirmable pr all game so that’s at least consistent

[innocentvillager]

If you're gonna accept your elim, I'm gonna shake you down for content and we need an acceptable base first

this I think

sorry ik this is annoying for you oka as either alignment and you’re busy with rl stuffs

we just want to hear as much as we can from you at this point before we probably elim you. I promise I will try to listen and will heavily consider applying it if you flip green. When/if you’re ready that is

[innocentvillager]

oka did you not get a notification today of a visit?

can you claim actions or do you not want to

[innocentvillager]

I'm mostly just wondering why Oka hasn't considered the scenario where I could have targeted Oka in N1, but that would involve him being a real commuter

he said he was hide/commute

if he’s scum he’s probably the scum version of this role anyway

gypyx thought this claim itself was scummy

[innocentvillager]

Iv u srs? I SHOULDN'T live past today id be disappointed if u guys let me live past today

also why? if I’m town in your spot I’d at least be fighting like hell to try and show how I’m town

like what specifically makes you think you SHOULD die today

[innocentvillager]

assuming you don’t have time constraints ik midterms suk

[innocentvillager]

yes you hid n1 I believe and you hid n3?

[innocentvillager]

I have to go too I’ve already way overstayed

I’ll think about this a bit more

will probably vote oka barring some massive relevation/oka townspew

[innocentvillager]

If I'm looking for scum on that wagon I dont know that I'm seeing it in the big pushers (you me and maybe IV). I'm looking at the sneaker onners (winter flakes). And when did it become a counter wagon to bell (or he to her), how did that happen, who thought their path to eliming not bell was to vote mastina.

i would classify oka as a sneakier vote than mine

[innocentvillager]

do any of the people voting someone other than (Bell/Agar) or mastina want to talk more about that because the Bell wagon is the same people as the agar wagon and it feels like nothing's moved in ages

ive said my piece on jjh and there's a chance this is just bias but i'm pretty shocked more people aren't SRing that slot. i see no townie behavior there at all

like unless this is just super lazy town who is unwilling to engage with their SR (which seems super unlikely because jjh said himself that i'm like a really weak SR which in of itself on day 3 is weird imo especially because he's just staying on me) then i just don't see this being town at all

bell/titus are the only other reasonable elims today imo with bell having a decent shot at flipping red while jjh is much higher imo, titus being least likely of the 3 i'd say

agar wagon was bad

mastina wagon is bad

one of titus/bell is also probably scum which i think im even more sure of now given bell's posting about titus on the last page

i am willing to compromise on bell but i think

jjh/titus are more likely red flips

tbh

What changed here?

oh yeah i was going to ask winter flakes this last night thank you

[innocentvillager]

wow i started playing this hellish game 9 years ago

[innocentvillager]

I posit an alternative.
Given Mastina's current reads and positions now is probably a good time to eliminate her.
She's never getting night killed and she's going to end up in elo. As either alignment she is going to vote incorrectly and lose us the game.

this is kinda yuck

townie as in this?

[innocentvillager]

are we massclaiming or not?

[innocentvillager]

ok oka is scumclaiming lol

[innocentvillager]

gg scumz

[innocentvillager]

[announcing] vanilla cop enabler

honestly, what a great fakeclaim lmfao

almost thought it was too wild to be fake lol

[innocentvillager]

implo was I supposed to use my role before massclaim lol

the only night gypyx and I actually seriously considered using it was night 4 on hop or Titus (not that it would’ve mattered apparently cuz babysitter)

[innocentvillager]

HOPKIRK YOU BEAUTIFUL BASTARD

dang you foresaw this exact scenario up to the lylo. well planned

[innocentvillager]

i felt a sort of catharsis from my death but the longer it went on the more I wished I was alive

[innocentvillager]

why didn't you use the role at all?

it was kind of a balance between getting more info and less but more useful info

i may have made the wrong choice, idk

Gypyx and I picked the latter. We didn't think the info at the beginning was going to be very useful at all, since if we checked town that wouldn't tell us much, and if we checked scum the entire scumteam would know whether to claim PR or not.

the plan was to obvtown, make it to massclaim, and claim VT to not get NK'd. then check suspicious people. that's why i kind of weakly pushed for massclaim on the day with killed oka.

i was kind of thinking about checking you N3 to cross check with unknown neap but i don't think you actually claimed whether or not you were VT/not VT so it would've just been a waste of a check if you were VT. i honestly kind of thought in some weird headspace that you were VT, idk. I was also thinking about checking Titus that night. I was kind of worried the whole plan would be ruined if one of you was scum though and i checked wrong (or if one of you was town and decided to out my existence), so I again decided against checking before massclaim.

[innocentvillager]

yeah holy A50 had really good reads. it's unfortunate that i was the one he chose to babysit

[innocentvillager]

im not really sure why people strongly TR'd Hopkirk at all, maybe someone can enlighten me there

are you feeling ok?

you two might want to use

this

size text if you want to throw shade or anything but locktown reads at me. less people will be able to see it that way so it'd be far less embarrassing for you when you realize you were wrong and have to shamefully redact the badness of your inability to read me

it's like the two of you don't understand the concept of a townblock or something. mutual townreads smh

Hopkirk you actually pocketed me kinda with this post lol. you were definitely in my PoE but this post kind of made me really reconsider on you lmao. i have a tendency to townread this kind of stuff for some reason

[innocentvillager]

i really enjoyed this game and plist overall!

would be very happy to play with literally every single one of you again

hopefully not when im scum tho! ill be too obv

[innocentvillager]

Objectively, I did catch two scum, Oka and Bell. But objectively, this was still a massive failure because of where the other two scum were, with me hard-defending them. I wanted to do better this game than last game but ended up doing exactly the same if not worse overall

okay guys with 2 games of super accurate data mastina's early nullreads are locktown and scum are only in her townreads and scumreads

in all honesty, that's not easy to do. you're clearly doing *something* right with your reads. and that's more useful than my reads, which were basically just a coinflip at most times

[innocentvillager]

it's actually wild that you can do that because for most people it's the opposite, their scum are generally in the nullreads