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[VP Baltar]

i do not claim i am the vig or anything

i just think not_mafia isn't the vig, and i don't get how y'all are just buying it without any second thoughts

pedit : yeah norwee gets it

Also, there is the fact NM wasn't the vig target. I mean, if anyone else is the vig and shot wooper over him last night, I'm going to have shit to say post game.

[Gypyx]

@baltar alright, you got a point there, although a relatively-planned bus probably doesn't look that "improvised"? or at least it's less likely

@luca still, that's missing the point, ico has shown itself to be able to bus, he's obviously gonna be scrutinized on that this game, even if the context is different

[Gypyx]

i do not claim i am the vig or anything

i just think not_mafia isn't the vig, and i don't get how y'all are just buying it without any second thoughts

pedit : yeah norwee gets it

Also, there is the fact NM wasn't the vig target. I mean, if anyone else is the vig and shot wooper over him last night, I'm going to have shit to say post game.

i could see reasons for a vig to not want to shoot n_m, or maybe it's just a bad play, or maybe it's whatever

[VP Baltar]

i could see reasons for a vig to not want to shoot n_m

Those reasons being?

Also, based on your scum list, your guess at a solve is IV + one of Anya/Alice?

[Luca Blight]

@baltar alright, you got a point there, although a relatively-planned bus probably doesn't look that "improvised"? or at least it's less likely

@luca still, that's missing the point, ico has shown itself to be able to bus, he's obviously gonna be scrutinized on that this game, even if the context is different

You’re making a ridiculous and groundless assumption imo

So if Icon were scum with George how would you have expected him to handle the situation, then?

[geraintm]

i do not claim i am the vig or anything

i just think not_mafia isn't the vig, and i don't get how y'all are just buying it without any second thoughts

pedit : yeah norwee gets it

im going to need a lot more than a feeling to not believe it

[geraintm]

I forgot about gypyx's crumb. I may want to force him to claim today.

a claim is one thing (on day 2) and he may well refuse (if he knows it is in the best intersts of town for today, but i think he gets basically one days grace), but people need to back off him (which i think they are)

[innocentvillager]

i also don't think ico doubles down on breaking his meta of not bussing when he did that litterally last scumgame

Fwiw, people play against their own meta all the time. This is a bad defense.

Second, I am going to take a wild guess that when this game is over and I read the scum PT, I am going to see George Bailey begging to get bussed. That was a terrible D1 as scum and almost certainly had some intentional nose dive in there. If he didn't want to play scum or something, then he would just have his buddies bus him D1 for cred.

If Ico never usually buses, that actually makes more sense why the bus was completely awkward and easy to spot.

wow baltar i am kinda vibing with you today

[AliceK]

I would say VP, N_M and NorwegianBoy are Sage today. I think IV is sus, maybe I will find something interesting on eod.

[AliceK]

I would say VP, N_M and NorwegianBoy are safe today. I think IV is sus, maybe I will find something interesting on eod.

Ebwop , stupid GBoard

[Anya]

idk why Gypyx is randomly doubting the vig claim when all notmafia gave us was like 2 words not sure how he can be sus of that

maybe he thinks it'll make him look wacky and towny by randomly doubting a town vig claim keep at it gypyx

[VP Baltar]

I forgot about gypyx's crumb. I may want to force him to claim today.

a claim is one thing (on day 2) and he may well refuse (if he knows it is in the best intersts of town for today, but i think he gets basically one days grace), but people need to back off him (which i think they are)

What are you even talking about? I have a very hard time following what you are saying this game or why you're saying it.

[geraintm]

sorry - meant to say how could you forget a claim? i edited what i was writing (and putting in the brackets) and made it make no sense.

then it was my thoughts you you "forcing" him to claim.

i wanted to make it clear i wasn't 100% on requiring them to claim. there could be situations where Town knows it is better that they dont outright claim because of the nature of their role, and if they say that they get themselves one days grace on requiring a claim.

but....i dont feel like they need to claim. they should not be the focus of today's elimination and in my opinion they should not needlessly be run up just to force a claim from them

[VP Baltar]

but....i dont feel like they need to claim. they should not be the focus of today's elimination and in my opinion they should not needlessly be run up just to force a claim from them

I don't think we should run him up just to claim either. But he is firmly in my scum PoE, and getting a claim is an added bonus I may consider vs. yeeting Iconeum today.

Look, if you believe that NM is a town vig, it's highly questionable that town has much more power from my perspective.

Vig + doc + roleblocker vs. Goon + Strongman + ???

That doesn't feel too unbalanced to me.

[Luca Blight]

Not to mention the informed role

That’s a good point actually and supports my theory that gypyx was probably crumbing his scum pr role

[Luca Blight]

I appreciate Baltar filling the void left by Datisi as the voice of reason

[Luca Blight]

Vote Count 1.9

Iconeum

(5) -> Datisi, NorwegianboyEE, VP Baltar, Anya, Wooper [E-2]

AliceK

(3) -> innocentvillager, Iconeum, geraintm

innocentvillager

(2) -> Gypyx, AliceK

GeorgeBailey

(1) -> Luca Blight

Gypyx

(1) -> GeorgeBailey

Not_Mafia

(1) -> Not_Mafia

Day ends in (expired on 2021-04-24 18:32:00)

This is a townie wagon on Icon

[Luca Blight]

also apparently the only way to get gera to play the game is to push his SR's or something

VOTE: george

Interesting to note that this vote came while geraint was voting Icon, and was maintained even while geraint protested the George lim which implies the reasoning wasn’t very sincere

Sacrificing the inactive buddy (and goon) in order to save his more active partner (and pr)?

[VP Baltar]

Not to mention the informed role

That’s a good point actually and supports my theory that gypyx was probably crumbing his scum pr role

Right, informed role too!

[Gypyx]

idk why Gypyx is randomly doubting the vig claim when all notmafia gave us was like 2 words not sure how he can be sus of that

maybe he thinks it'll make him look wacky and towny by randomly doubting a town vig claim keep at it gypyx

ah yes, as opposed to a mafia vig claim

i'm just getting fake vibeds from it, although, discussing this might not be the best thing really

[Gypyx]

and alright, so apparently y'all are entertaning that i'm a scum pr so i'll put this straight :

i'm vt

my crumb was the following :

first image is an extremely cropped verison of the "we don't do that here" meme format

second image is the image linked to the advantage item i had in aroni's marathon survivor, the item was a rock buried in a pile of snow

and don / baron are both spanish names for the thwomp, an ennemy in mario that attacks by crushing

->

it gives us "we don't do that here rock crush"

rock crush referes to giles corey, an inhabitant of the town of salem, and was quite notably the only person who was killed by being crushed by rocks as a means of torture, and as most of you probably know, town of salem is also a mafia-like game

and what is not done in town of salem? that's right, vt's, the game is constantly played as role madness, and that's therefore what the crumb points to

[VP Baltar]

lol can't wait for IV to read this

[Gypyx]

lol can't wait for IV to read this

why exactly?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ah yes of course.
How stupid are all those that didn’t get it was a VT crumb.

[Gypyx]

this litterally wasn't meant to be understood

maybe mentionning there was a possibility i crumbed vt was a decent idea, idk