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[Luca Blight]

Like you think Alice is scummy for her progression on you (which as I said I agree with)

so why can't you understand that I find your progression on me scummy?

[Luca Blight]

not because you suspect me

the way you handled the push on me, how you went to one point, see me reply, ignore response, move to next point and repeat

but yeah, there was definitely some omgus

because every reply was '

I wouldn't do that as scum

' or '

why does scum Ico do that?

'

It's not like you gave me compelling reasons to reconsider

[Iconeum]

i haven't pushed alice - they just went from hard townreading me to seeing gamestate turn on me and jumping aboard

you pushed me, and during the interaction i started scumreading you

surely you see the huge difference here??

also you pushed me waaayyyy before i voted you and all of this is again giving me bad vibes about you

[Luca Blight]

I replied to a number of them, I didn't ignore them all

[Iconeum]

how can you even compare alice in this story??

[Sirius9121]

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[Iconeum]

maybe town!you really thinks that my omgus on you is scum!indicative and that that progression means i'm scum

but alice literally had no progression

nothing

how do you compare those even?

[Luca Blight]

i haven't pushed alice - they just went from hard townreading me to seeing gamestate turn on me and jumping aboard

you pushed me, and during the interaction i started scumreading you

surely you see the huge difference here??

also you pushed me waaayyyy before i voted you and all of this is again giving me bad vibes about you

The difference I see is that Alice's behavior is a lot more indicative of scum than mine?

I can understand why you might be suspicious of someone pushing your wagon, but the level of confidence you had (saying lim me then vig Luca etc) was something that made sense from a mere OMGUS read when you had previously hard TR me

I guess I could understand it being a heat of the moment thing, and had you reconsidered a bit after calming down I might have been inclined to TR that, but you didn't

[Luca Blight]

made no sense*

[Luca Blight]

Icon, thoughts on gypyx's scumread on IV?

[Iconeum]

The difference I see is that Alice's behavior is a lot more indicative of scum than mine?

absolutely

that's the conclusion i'm coming to here since posting this morning

[Iconeum]

Icon, thoughts on gypyx's scumread on IV?

i've not spent time on this

[Luca Blight]

sorry to hear that :(

is two generally a lot of townreads for you at this point in the game? were you happy to get two townreads? sad you only had two townreads?

mmmmm don't like this post

VOTE: innocentvillager

u know im gonna ask u why ;)

the tone felt overall pretty forced, plus it's really not the kinda questions i'm expecting to come from a solving who's scum / town mindset, just filler stuff yousee?

we should also probably sheep Datisi btw bc he died.

@Datisi please channel your reads energy through to the main thread, maybe we'll be able to pick up on something.

this feels like the most "scum banking on a dead town's wrong reads" ngl

VOTE: innocentvillager

This seems to be the long and short of it

I've asked him time and again for a summary of why he sr's IV but it hasn't been forthcoming

[Iconeum]

then it's up to Gyp to give a proper summary and he should be pressured into giving one

[Luca Blight]

I've been trying to pressure him to giving one and he ended up saying he won't do it because he doesn't believe I'm actually interested in it lol

[Gypyx]

i *will* do it luca

just that i'm in online class rn

[Iconeum]

ngl when you were pushing me earlier i also had the feeling you didn't really care for what i had to say

i do not have that feeling right now tho

[Luca Blight]

I've actually had some thoughts on IV myself but want to wait and see what gypyx has to say first

[Luca Blight]

i *will* do it luca

just that i'm in online class rn

Ok, fair enough

[NorwegianboyEE]

in what world is omgus scum!indicative

ever

Umm. What?
I mean if a scum player get’s scumread hard by a relatively townie player it often happens that they OMGUS. And sure, town can also OMGUS an relatively townie player. But most of the time it’s just pretty blatantly scummy. I really didn’t like your Luca scumread for example since i think he’s been fairly town and your push looked pretty nonsensical and scummy as an result. You do seem to have began considering he’s not scum though. But i’m not sure if that’s because you realize you could be wrong or you just realize that like literally nobody agreed with you.

[Sirius9121]

Not_Mafia has been prodded.

[geraintm]

Official Vote Count

Iconeum

(4): VP Baltar, innocentvillager, Anya, Luca Blight

innocentvillager

(2): Gypyx, geraintm

Gypyx

(2): NorwegianboyEE, AliceK

Luca Blight

(1): Iconeum

Not Voting

(1): Not_Mafia

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-05-03 10:38:00)

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So, i have Not Mafia and Gypyx in my town pile

Innocent villager is who i am voting for
Anya is second

I think his means i want to push Iconeum into my probable town pile.

Looking at the end of Day 1, my IV and Anya pair looks classical one off one on.

The ending voting wagon was

Gypyx, NorwegianboyEE, innocentvillager, Luca Blight, Iconeum, Wooper, geraintm

Known Town
Geraintm
Wooper

Probable town
Gypyx

Likely town

Iconeum

Others

Norway
IV
Luca

As i said, i think those last 3 are the places to look.

VOTE: GeorgeBailey
Ok Luca, IV. Let’s get some wagon competition going. Still not really townleaning Anya, but am disliking George so why not have some wagon competition.

i wish the last page and a half hadn't happened, bc it lowkey sunk my read on literally everyone who's posted on them

Can you explain that?
Based on slots that have posted right now i'm thinking you and Luca are townie. Baltar leanscum.
I'm gonna join this wagon because i don't understand why George is this inactive and he hasn't been town so far.
VOTE: GeorgeBailey

Norway has three different votes for GEorge Bailey. If they were scum, that is some serious attempts to push their partner and i don't buy it. I am firmly moving Norway to my likely town pile

VOTE: Georgebailey
I accidentally made this vote outside of this game, but i meant it be4 Luca.

Luca

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

Out shopping atm I’ll be back in a couple of hours

F*ck it, I’ll sheep Norwee instead

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

3 different votes for George during the day
there was a switch to anya in there too between the later 2 votes

Could be scum, not going to lie. not going to clear them like Norway who felt much more pushing george. these are a little more "going with the flow i don't want to stand out if george flips" votes.

fine VOTE: GeorgeBailey

that was the vote
it came 2 posts after this

Probably just town

PoE

GeorgeBailey - im p conflicted on this slot. I don't see why people are calling him super scummy (e.g. Wooper). i think there's some towniness in his half-assed Anya defense and emotion when called out that his tinfoil theory was bad. ive never played with scum!him but he's been 2/2 for super low activity as town. i will kill this slot if it comes to it but im like whatever here i think.

so that, combined with the attempte unvote of George, i am firmly in the "I want to eliminate Innocent Villager" - i think they are scum and i think they have a much higher chance of being scum than anyone else

[VP Baltar]

Lots of pages overnight. That's an improvement at least.

Look, I think Ico and Gypyx are either scum, or being kind of babies about fair questions from Luca. This defense of 'he doesn't want answers' is complete gaslighting. He isn't being unreasonable or even pushing that hard. Gypyx stalling for time basically everytime he gets asked a question bugs the hell out of me. *cough cough* George*cough*

I momentarily considered whether Geraint is getting too much of a free pass here, but I actually came to many of the same wagon conclusions he did in that last post.

I have a very hard time believing there are zero scum in {Ico, gypyx, IV}.

I may be willing to consider making Gypyx and IV the dueling wagons today.

In regards to Alice's progression...from what Ico posted, that doesn't look great. I'd need to ISO alice for full context though. I also think it is worth noting Alice is a noob, and sometimes unexplained progressions happen.

[innocentvillager]

VP

how can i possibly be scum with anyone other than Anya

why not just yeet Anya over me?

[innocentvillager]

Looking at the end of Day 1, my IV and Anya pair looks classical one off one on.

you are making reads based on one on one off, great. your d2 play remarkably is considerably worse than your d1 play, that's one thing we have in common this game at least