Happy Face Mafia (Game Over)

[Andante]

idrk why you flipped out about how/when you will flip green, hold people accountable, etc when i am literally not voting you lol, in contrast while i am still at e-never at least i had a vote on me and encouraged you to push harder

YEah, based on vote logs, I believe I'm the first to have voted you this game, and that feels suspicious to me... I flipped out cause you said you didn't read my stuff and fossed me, like, sorry not sorry I know when I see scum pushing me cause they think I'm the easy target. then you get to realize I put up a hell of a fight, and that push isn't so easy. if you had a valid reason, I'd refute it, but like, you have no reason and are calling me scum....

[Andante]

Spoiler: day 1 sample

I wish I could join a popular wagon but I am just not feeling them, particularly these two.

can you elaborate on those feelings? really curious why you're hesitant. trying to figure out how you're approaching this game because this doesn't seem to line up w/ other games i have spectated

i would dayvig titus if i could, not even remotely trying to use the wagons or vote patterns a divining tool other than this awkward defense of bell (bell should be null at best, but pooky/retti are right on meta. i thought he siteflaked but he's still in for defcon)

ik people had questions for me, will circle back in a sec

I wish I could join a popular wagon but I am just not feeling them, particularly these two.

can you elaborate on those feelings? really curious why you're hesitant. trying to figure out how you're approaching this game because this doesn't seem to line up w/ other games i have spectated

There's too much omgus. Anyone who FoSes anyone else gets an automatic scumread back. Nothing feels like it's honest sorting. (Note: Honest means intellectually honest, not town/scum indicative).

I'm looking for someone with a deep, nuanced, possibly accurate read of the game to be my anchor. I haven't found it yet so I'm going through the game again.

I really like a Dunn scumread based on the vote history but I don't feel strong enough to case him.

this first line is gross. first off, there's an initial scumread before an omgus reaction, but you're treating them equally. second how on earth have you not been able to find a case of honest sorting this game lmfao

second line you are not looking hard enough because there have been many nuanced/deep reads this game: myself, retti, essooa, raya, bear hydra...most of which you've lumped in with the omgus reactions.

finally if you don't have an anchor testing reads/wagons is the way to get one and you're not doing that, not buying this

it's tough to capture in quotes, where sometimes those votes/wagons happen to wind up on scumreads anyway, but take a look at games like flavor leaf vs. hectic, where she happily joins a wagon suggested by FL, and warehouse-13. idk maybe someone in those games can give context b/c i don't really want to quote from games i was actually in

actually after reading this post i would 100% vig her lol

I agree Titus is probably town which means she’s gonna say I suck at working together no matter what despite me in prior games actually being good town and she was in scums pocket so hard I deviated at the very end.

What caused your read change on me?

I’ve had a town read on you.

Your townread is conditional on Dunn because you want me to stop pushing my top scumreads of Cakez and Pooky and consolidate super early.

I am going to be blunt with you.

I am using the Dunn wagon to get reads. Such static reads aren't good. Use the wagon as a way to check your reads rather than supposing you're right. Let yourself and others solve the game over time.

How to host a murder isn't solved round 1.

i mean i literally said they were my top sr like 4x in that conversation just now alone but here's a sample of posts day 1 from when i actually cared about this game

Yes, I skimmed your ISO and saw lots of back and forth with Titus, have you ever thought to look outside titus? or is titus the only direction you plan on looking all game?

[willow1]

i would really encourage working back over my first few posts of this sequence with this new knowledge in mind

re: 1326 i just spent time talking about esooa, sam, you, and with the carryover read from vfp but ok

this is my updated readslist, ordered t->s (ie. this is a strictly ordered list and you are at bottom of null)

locktown {bear}
very town {retti}
townlean {t3, esooa, sam, flea}
null {whemestar dunn, jjh, penguin, raya, andante}
scumlean: {vfp}
scum: {titus}

[willow1]

again idk why you have this emphasis of hitting back and making these bold gestures (have you ever thought to look outside titus? or is titus the only direction you plan on looking all game?) without stopping to think whether they make sense but u do u

[T3]

i would really encourage working back over my first few posts of this sequence with this new knowledge in mind

re: 1326 i just spent time talking about esooa, sam, you, and with the carryover read from vfp but ok

this is my updated readslist, ordered t->s (ie. this is a strictly ordered list and you are at bottom of null)

locktown {bear}
very town {retti}
townlean {t3, esooa, sam, flea}
null {whemestar dunn, jjh, penguin, raya, andante}
scumlean: {vfp}
scum: {titus}

Prtty much entirely my reads...

[T3]

Andante seems townier.

[Raya36]

Probably not, most scum avoid going out of their way to talk about their partners excessively and the general tenor of the way he's addressing he feels like scum talking to a townie. Aside from that I don't really suspect her on play though.

Usually that's true but idk bell's specific meta which so far has been a little off usual.

Willow vs Andante sounds very TvT. Both sound genuinely frustrated and I do still have a decently confident TR on both of them

[MariaR]

VC 2.2

jjh927 (3) - WhemeStar, Bear HUGS Esooa
Titus (2) - T3 willow1
PenguinPower (1) - Titus
Dunnstral (1) - Flea The Magician
Raya36 (1) -VFP
T3 (1) - Raya36
willow1 (1) - Andante
Not Voting: (5)Dunnstral, PenguinPower, jjh927, Retti, samantha97

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-05-07 05:05:29)

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to fade away

[jjh927]

Willow's reads feel pretty out there to me, which I'm taking as a sign that Willow is town

Scum are more inclined to come out with reads that are similar to what other people in the game are putting out


On the same note, I think I can see T3 scum but will have to iso properly

Titus is just town fwiw

[samantha97]

Willow's reads feel pretty out there to me, which I'm taking as a sign that Willow is town

which

[Andante]

^ yes, please specify exactly what, cause it's feeling to me like you saw me and willow going at it, now are picking a side?? idk what you're actually doing. You clearly see T3 as scum, yet are calling willow town for reads that are "out there" like what??

[WhemeStar]

Idk who to vote I was hoping to sheep bear hugs again

[jjh927]

Willow's reads feel pretty out there to me, which I'm taking as a sign that Willow is town

which

Doesn't seem like a readslist made to appease at all; in other words it is sincere

Most of it is null or leans
The list has Esooa, who I feel is generally a consensus hard town as only a townlean, and I don't think there's a lot of attention on VFP right now

[Raya36]

What about the readslist looks like it's not made to appease?

[jjh927]

That most of it is null or leans even on slots where there's a consensus

[jjh927]

There aren't any extras sneaking in that Willow hasn't been focusing on just for the sake of agreeing with town

[Andante]

That most of it is null or leans even on slots where there's a consensus

Aside from you being locktown
Bear hydra is locktown
Enchant is town
Bamboozle is town
VFP is town
Bell is town
Wheme looks town
Titus looked town but I'm not sure I can read Titus


Raya is a scumlean, as is samantha, and I'm torn on Retti

I mean to be fair, I feel like leans with reasons is better than "hey everyone is town"

[jjh927]

I mean, that's from quite a long while ago now but the deal with my readslists is that you can ask me about specific reads rather than me just dumping a load of information in the open when I make a readslist, since that gives me some information too

[Raya36]

That most of it is null or leans even on slots where there's a consensus

Couldn't this also be scum keeping their options open?

[jjh927]

I mean, it could, sure

I just don't think it looks like that

[samantha97]

noraa noraa noraa



I summon you to make the game more active

[T3]

Raya actually does look scum by play but I don't want to vote her because of the Bell v Raya wagon. I'm curious to hear why people tr the bugs.

[Raya36]

Why do I look scummy by play?

If I look like scum to you what makes you think both the wagons on me and bell weren't scum wagons?

[Bear HUGS]

VOTE: T3

I’m reluctant to overstep Pooky but I like jjh tonally. Less sure on Titus. @Sam, Noraa’s still tilted people ignored her wall.

My gut is liking this slot the least. Kind’ve the opposite feeling that I’ve gotten from Adante.

Noraa made a wall about this in 933.

[samantha97]

Spoiler:

?

Bell

(5): Esooa,

Bamboozle

, Enchant, PenguinPower, Bear HUGS

samantha97

(5): Raya36, VFP,

Romance

, willow1, T3
Raya36 (5): jjh927, WhemeStar, Titus,

samantha97

, Retti
Enchant (1): Dunnstral

Romance

(1):

Bell

Retti (1): Flea The Magician

??

Bell

(5): Esooa,

Bamboozle

, Enchant, PenguinPower,

Bear HUGS

samantha97

(5): Raya36, VFP,

Romance

, willow1, T3
Raya36 (5): jjh927, WhemeStar, Titus,

samantha97

,

Retti

Enchant (1): Dunnstral

Romance

(1):

Bell

Retti

(1): Flea The Magician

???

Bell

(5): Esooa,

Bamboozle

, Enchant, PenguinPower,

Bear HUGS

samantha97

(5):

Raya36

, VFP,

Romance

,

willow1

, T3

Raya36

(5): jjh927,

WhemeStar

, Titus,

samantha97

,

Retti

Enchant (1): Dunnstral

Romance

(1):

Bell

Retti

(1): Flea The Magician