In post 2495, innocentvillager wrote:gypyx i think you should continue trying to evaluate me critically. i think there's more than enough content to read me at this point. i know tonal reads are hard to break down but i think you should think about why you don't like my tone and whether that's actually based on real experience from playing with me or if it's my general playstyle tone you dislike.
what anti associatives between me and Alice are you referring to btw?
i'll try sure, just that i'm pretty damn tired rn so not today
on another note, kinda wanna see where an alice wagon could go, maybe it's too late though?
Not today....we have like a day and a half left this phase. Do you see why I think you're stalling for time constantly this game?
Also, why aren't you voting alice if that's what you want?
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In post 2516, VP Baltar wrote:They kind of have similar points against them around the George wagon, but IV is probably contributing more toward pushing the game forward
fucking lol
the first part is just completely false and the second part doesn't matter. if im scum im scum it doesn't matter what im doing. but we can table this discussion again to a later day.
In post 632, innocentvillager wrote:also @you and @Ico @anyone else what cares, why is Norway town? quoting past posts is fine
Plus town points to IV here.
I was just thinking as I'm catching up from the overnight pages: "Where the hell is Norway? He was very active early on and then faded into the background once the game actually got rolling."
Don’t hit me with this shit.
I’m working a FULL TIME JOB. Dealing with children. I can’t be as active as usual. That does NOT equate scum and i’d rather just let everyone know right away that this is not how to read me in this game.
i did a quick skim of Norway's ISO and these are the posts i think are maybe out of scumrange
don't expect to convince anyone with this
it's also a lot less than i previously thought. But actually i think like, he might not have individual posts truly out of scumrange (i mean, not that many people do) but the overall vibe I got was, invested in a way that scum wouldn't be? it's really hard to explain. like there were moments during the game i just felt he was towny. and moments i went like "why am I townleaning him again?"
i had this vague idea in my head but it's probably worth being more concrete.
that was re: this.
sorry Norway you might be back in my PoE just my upper half lol.
i think i may have been sheeping other people too subconsciously when evaluating you. you were kind of a universal townread and i couldn't quite grasp it so i thought maybe there was something i was missing about you
In post 1222, innocentvillager wrote:if I’m scum Anya is probably more likely to be town lol this is a classic scum!innocentvillager WK situation.
It's funny how IV said this and yet is now like '
why would I save Anya as scum'
okay this was like way before i actually started WKing her DO NOT take this out of context for yourself or others. this was after i made like one throwaway post or something about how i kinda believed her claim. I didn't know i was going to start WKing her until I started thinking about it and actually doing it.
but like
you admit as scum you would be quite likely to WK Anya, so why do you then make a surprised Pikachu face when people suspect you for possibly WK'ing Anya, as if it's the most unreasonable thing in the world to think?
ive come around to people not townreading me for WKing Anya and waffling around the George compromise wagon. That's fine, i think the arguments are poor since imo costs outweigh benefits of my play everytime as scum but I can see how you'd argue it.
i really dislike getting flat out scumread for it. I just think it is frankly ridiculous to get scumread for something that clearly ended up being protown. Even if Anya is scum it wasn't detrimental to town
In post 2533, innocentvillager wrote:because we know GeorgeBailey, the second highest wagon at the time and probably the compromise to Anya, is SCUM now
if they're both town it's not a bad spot for scum!me to whiteknight
believe it or not i didn't know GEorgeBailey was going to flip scum at the time. most people in this game are town, so someone being scum generally isn't my default assumption.
and i said that line very early on too, before i actually starting WKing her. so yes context matters
In post 2533, innocentvillager wrote:because we know GeorgeBailey, the second highest wagon at the time and probably the compromise to Anya, is SCUM now
if they're both town it's not a bad spot for scum!me to whiteknight
It looked for a long time that the Anya lim would just go through regardless as there wasn't much of a push elsewhere. Like you defended Anya, but didn't push anywhere else until you were pretty much forced to, and your first choice happened to be Not_Mafia rather than George even though George had been objectively scummy imo
I believe Baltar said earlier it would be a risky but potentially rewarding play as scum and I kind of agree. When I was scum against Datisi I pushed my inactive partner's wagon D1 and WK'd the inactive townie who was a competing wagon. In the end the townie happened to be limmed and this really helped me win the game as scum as in ELO Datisi was like 'why would Luca bus his partner so unnecessarily D1'.
In post 2524, Gypyx wrote:on another note, kinda wanna see where an alice wagon could go, maybe it's too late though?
Yes.
I don't see my vote going on IV when we have 1 hour left and this wagon is just sitting here.
I still dislike Ico's Luca push. It was really scummy, and idk about Alice tbh but i like Ico a lot better as an elimination for today.
Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
In post 2530, innocentvillager wrote:it's also a lot less than i previously thought. But actually i think like, he might not have individual posts truly out of scumrange (i mean, not that many people do) but the overall vibe I got was, invested in a way that scum wouldn't be? it's really hard to explain. like there were moments during the game i just felt he was towny. and moments i went like "why am I townleaning him again?"
Is that the only reason you townread me?
Norwe is spontaneous, has a stream-of-consciouness posting style, usually posts on catch-ups by commenting on past pages posts, gets rather fired up in certain moments in games, is relatively as playful as me in games and likes casual shitposting
okay just spewing some thoughts on Ico because like, he's probably going to die:
i think Ico this game has been very lackluster. To me he has basically no presence. I'm aware that timezone differences severely affect this but i'm pretty sure there are people in this game who have interacted with Ico and felt that he had no presence too despite the high post count. When I was playing as scum against him with Datisi in 2175, I felt Ico's presence a lot and I was pretty scared of him at any given point basically. Granted I was scum that game and I'm town here so it feels different, but i really cannot recall seeing a town!ico game where he was low presence. He was kind of low presence as scum in 2180 as well.
Ico doesn't really care about this game, regardless of his alignment. If he's scum, he's probably just accepted he's going to lose this game; even if his partner is deepwolfed like geraint or Baltar he probably can't rest too easy. I think it makes sense for him to be scum playing lackluster here.
People have mentioned that he can be more engaged as scum and try to power control the town. That's a possibility but like it's not the only way to play scum. Idk this point actually gives me a little pause on Ico but i can also see him just changing his playstyle for this game since people are fresh from the other one/not caring as much in general
I think the way he sheeped the popular opinions on Anya and George at the time was kind of slimy. He helped the Anya wagon get higher than the GeorgeBailey wagon initially and when Anya started tonwtelling a little and people started shifting over to George, he did the same. Granted it could be a coincidence because a lot of those happened when he's just not online, but it's still scum!indicative overall i think. That's one reason i think my actions and Ico's actions around the wagon are just simply not comparable - i took initiative as the first person to save Anya, while he just sheeped (coincidentally or not) the consensus takes at the time.
im not saying this can't come from town!Ico, there is a world where it can imo? just that on balance i feel like things are pointing against him, his interactions around George have been very meh, and there aren't too many players who i am seriously considering in my PoE i think. it's going to be a tough game i think if Iconeum flips town but i think we should see this flip.
he's also not in nearly as much danger of being elimed than me
I wasn't really complaining, I just didn't understand why your read on me wasn't developing, but it makes a little more sense now you've explained it
Although I *still* feel as though no matter what I do this game you're gonna be like 'Luca hasn't obvtowned enough'
I don't really get why you're holding me to such a standard, particularly when the only game we've played together I had a pretty poor scum game and was yeeted D2.
you should play with scum!me sometime. i think you'd be surprised at how little i am capable of as scum especially as the days go on. im genuinely trying to work on it but Anya can tell you how much i hated posting in that scum game i had
If Ico is scum then i think either Gypyx or IV could be aligned and scum double bussed an useless teammate with Iconeum. I'm also a bit paranoid about Geraintm masterminding an early informed claim and defending Ico here but that's some big tin foil hat theory i'm not really going to take too seriously. VOTE: Iconeum
If Ico town then i will need to re-evaluate. Possibly scum are outside of the initial George wagon.
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In post 2484, innocentvillager wrote: I thought the way the wagons developed around Anya was slimy and made her unlikely to be scum.
This is news to me?
I thought the only reason you TR Anya was based on her claim. Why did you think the way the wagon developed was slimy? I remember you supporting said wagon before her claim
Apologies if you've already explained this but I don't recall you doing so
In post 2533, innocentvillager wrote:because we know GeorgeBailey, the second highest wagon at the time and probably the compromise to Anya, is SCUM now
if they're both town it's not a bad spot for scum!me to whiteknight
It looked for a long time that the Anya lim would just go through regardless as there wasn't much of a push elsewhere. Like you defended Anya, but didn't push anywhere else until you were pretty much forced to, and your first choice happened to be Not_Mafia rather than George even though George had been objectively scummy imo
I believe Baltar said earlier it would be a risky but potentially rewarding play as scum and I kind of agree. When I was scum against Datisi I pushed my inactive partner's wagon D1 and WK'd the inactive townie who was a competing wagon. In the end the townie happened to be limmed and this really helped me win the game as scum as in ELO Datisi was like 'why would Luca bus his partner so unnecessarily D1'.
i understand that this is a possible scum!narrative for me, and that's why im fine with people not townreading me for it
like im taking a massive risk praying that we get the misflip on Anya d1 while hoping that GeorgeBailey flips later making me look good
it's still a big stretch to say that my behavior is explicitly scum!indicative especially when i have literally done these things as town? and probably never have done something this crazy as scum? even without the meta aspect if you hate that wifomy stuff.
idk, i feel like i was screaming loud enough that someone was potentially going to listen to me about Anya. im not sure what happened in your game though, it seems like you feel the situation was similar to this one and that's why it looks suspicious to you. I'm surprised you didn't make this more clear earlier, because now the suspicion on me actually makes more sense
