DEFCON Mafia 5.0: GAME OVER - NEW AMERICA FORMED

[Bell]

Hi, yay 8 pages. I'm an American and I thought for a moment, oh shit. I am scum, but strangely, I am not scum and am instead town.

[Bell]

Okay, I read two pages and is it all shit posts

[Bell]

VOTE: Against

[Bell]

And my grandpa has a subdural hematoma and I'm gunna go to the hospital now.

Fucking fuck fuck.

[Bell]

Hello, I'm back I'm still waiting for a school back after tha transfer to a neurosurgeon ready hospial. Guess I'll see whether he needs surgery or not tonight or tomorrow morning.

Anyway,

Mafia.
Gorilla, Prism, Sam, are giving out vibes but I'm not sure if they're town vibes or scum vibes.
Weak incline on town vibe for sam, but I'm not sure how I feel about the town bin.
I'm no sure how I feel about Deasveal following up as third either, not that I have a single clue what the difference between Def con 3 and 5 is. I took it to mean "more talky" "less nuclear"
I know we're here for the nukes, but the only reason we're all still here in this not nuclear wasteland is because people slowed down a little.

[Bell]

Gorilla, Prism, Sam, are giving out vibes but I'm not sure if they're town vibes or scum vibes.
Weak incline on town vibe for sam, but I'm not sure how I feel about the town bin.
I'm no sure how I feel about Deasveal following up as third either, not that I have a single clue what the difference between Def con 3 and 5 is. I took it to mean "more talky" "less nuclear"
I know we're here for the nukes, but the only reason we're all still here in this not nuclear wasteland is because people slowed down a little.

Scum

You're a noob of some kind.

[Bell]

Then again, I kind of do, do that back and forth wishy washy stuff as scum too. It's just, obviously I wouldn't be the first one trying to give out reads and playing in RVS.

[Bell]

Well, you aren't the first to give out reads.

-S

Yes, I worded that incorrectly, maybe I should say I wouldn't be trying yet.

[Bell]

Some people react to wifom by pointing at it and saying outloud, that's wifom.

Like everyone doesn't know already. I also, think that in general just telling the truth and being upfront is a challenge for scum since they have difficulty keeping up. So, if you don't mind I'll continue to wifom it up as I feel that some people actually do keep that kind of stuff in mind and react emotionally to it and i can help them weigh decisions later regarding me and in this case, for town, that would be a good thing.

[Bell]

I feel good about Cephrir town, at first I was like nah, but then when I saw him react to Gorilla and I was like, yeh.
I thought about giving Gorilla points for baiting me in retrospect, but let's be real, reaction tests rely more on the performance of the reactee than the one causing the reaction.
Since people are responsible for their own posts, Gorilla isn't getting town points for letting people either trip over themselves as either alignment or fly, high, high, high into the heights of the forever(lock)town.

It's just a vibe tho. I have no strong obvtown reads yet.

[Bell]

I feel good about Cephrir town, at first I was like nah, but then when I saw him react to Gorilla and I was like, yeh.

This is referring to 90?

-S

86, 90. I might have misinterpreted on 86, I interpreted it as Cephrir calling gorilla a dumb ass which is the same sort of pattern that my initial reaction to Gorilla is.
But also, I caution myself, sometimes we just accidentally slap someone down as VI, instead of scum, which makes us the VI.

[Bell]

I guess Bell is town and we don't get our free Russian

I'm sorry.

[Bell]

I guess Bell is town and we don't get our free Russian

Shit, I just realized the perfect quip would have been that only americans are free or so we like to tell ourselves.

[Bell]

86, 90. I might have misinterpreted on 86, I interpreted it as Cephrir calling gorilla a dumb ass which is the same sort of pattern that my initial reaction to Gorilla is.

As Ceph pointed out you did misinterpret it yes. But also your comment on him seems pretty similar to mastina's which is interesting. What did you guys dislike so much about his opening?

-S

His opening? No, I didn't like that he called me scum and I just lashed out.

[Bell]

Oh I'm talking about Ceph, sorry that wasn't clear. 234 implies you didn't like Ceph's opening, is that true?

-S

Kind of, kind of not. It was a very vague bad feeling relating to Cephrir's post spacing but it was a bad thought that makes no sense even by my standards. Not enough data, reset. I empathized incorrectly with what I thought was a similar experience, but turned out not to be. This is a bit too much stream of thought to be coherent.

*scrap*

[Bell]

I took the time to read what total war does and yes I would like that please.

VOTE: total: war

Also.. I think... this makes DN town

Why?

[Bell]

Yes, I'm aware, it's evidently not clear to you.

Why do you think I would expect to be townread for that?

-S

S_S has been S_ esque so far, so he's not wrong to expect to be town read for his playstyle. Though the flavor feels different, but could be development/I never really understood how to read him in the first place which I believe as his opinion last I checked.


P.S. FYI, I leave for work at 6:45AM and get home around 5:00PM.
Soooo yeah. JSYK.

[Bell]

At ths point bell feel like high postcount but lacking in content. The reads almost feel forced.
Prism sticks out to me as very townys for the moment. Like Prism threw shade on Vax but offered a reasonable explanation for what it could be. samantha is strong town for the total war thing.

Yes, it's RVS and I have no strong reads I'm confident in.

[Bell]

I am getting scum vibes for this pooky theme of the game though. But

I should probably read that post by the guy who first started the conversation about power roles and who should and shouldn't claim etc. That guy was fairly pro-town.

[Bell]

My position has not changed, because it lacks slap.

[Bell]

So, you're saying I should take it, Titus?

[Bell]

I actually would want an obvtown player to grab fallout shelter. It'd be shitty for me personally but a way to keep obvtown alive is good.

so you cant obv town? cmon titus

No. It's a very Titus defect.

I have been reading you as pretty town

This does sound like slightly chill town Titus. but *disclaimer that I could be wrong*

[Bell]

Hi Mastina.
Why am I so low in your reads if you think I’m town?

[Bell]

Oh, yeah I forgot that you kind of update your reads asynchronously sometimes.

[Bell]

I think this is town mastina, but I'm how Melanque feels about me and how best to approach me is how I feel about Mastina.
Except that with me it's totally unnecessary because I'm not hard to sort while Mastina could be.

Also, my grandpa is out of surgery and it appears that parts of his brain that are involved with language and communication are damaged. It wasn't really the kind of surgery that should have done damage. Since it was dealing with blood flow to the meninges, not the brain itself. Maybe the swelling and pressure had simply progressed within the last 10 hours.

@Mastina, you didn't really answer the question about why you write so much, I'm curious too!
You can't deny that you have written a lot of words in your life time, compared to alot of us fellow humans.

[Bell]

That said, it's just a request. You don't have to answer.
Not that I'm implying that I could order you to do so.
Though, I guess I could, you just wouldn't have to follow it.

Language is funny sometimes. I tend to be chatty when I'm nervous and upset.

[Bell]

More evidence that Pooky is scum this game, he's on the top of town Mastina's list.

[Bell]

I'd like to believe that Mastina just has a very sensitive early false town tell radar.
Rather that she tends to pick up on people who are trying to look town and town reads them.
Especially in RVS.

Like a lamist radar. Maybe. I wonder if scum actually do tend to be more lamist early, that hasn't been my experience at all though. Lamist accusations seem like voodoo bullshit and about as predictive as your local fortune teller.

[Bell]

The point of LAMIST posting is that it’s a way of trying to seem town because scum know they aren’t town. As a hydra in a game with anti hydra people which had already been told that there was a desire to nuke hydras, LAMIST actions are a good way to try and deflect. That’s why I think you did it, because you are hyper aware of the fact that as a hydra you will automatically face pressure, which, if you were town, you’d find easier to deflect, but as your PM was a scum PM, you found it stressful and needed something to do. Your reactions also haven’t changed my mind.

I repeat. Why u mad.

I'm not sure if you're talking to me. My question is no about the point, all scum posts are motivationally directed toward the goal of fooling you. I just wonder if there's an actual statistical significance to people "trying to seem town" versus just being town.

[Bell]

It's really late you guys, why are you posting.

[Bell]

I guess Bell is town and we don't get our free Russian

I mean, yes, probably?
But my experience with scum!Bell has always been "He's townie at first but if you wait you'll find out he actually stopped playing the game and isn't townie anymore" so its usually just best to keep an open mind about these things.

@Mena, unless this wasn't you, in which case I'M SORRY.
@mastina, I see. I don't have autism, but I struggle often with trying to be exact enough to be understood, but concise enough that people actually read what I write (at work, in mafia, I don't try as hard for that balance). It's a difficult road to navigate. Though striving to describe things well is cool.

[Bell]

Joqiza is maybe confirmed town for posting this at least

Not sure, the only town read that I feel comfortable with RN is Mastina.

[Bell]

Do you like playing town or scum more Joqiza?

[Bell]

Are you bored?

[Bell]

Lmao.

[Bell]

Did they change the requirements for large themes so where they don't need to play 2 games in the newbies before joining large themes? Or can they be waived by mod discretion etc?

Also, yes. You should read mine. It's the best wiki page in the history of wiki pages.

[Bell]

I'll adapt quickly it's just the new site that I'm feeling out. I got an invite

I will read yours

No,no I don't like that rule, I was just feeling out if you were an alt without asking you directly. I don't mind if you've never played mafia before and this is your first game or you're a filthy alt hiding from the eyes of their more respectable peers. I just think it helps to know who is and isn't an alt so I have a better idea of where you're at and where you're coming from.

[Bell]

After all, you can't just lie about being an alt on the internet.

Exactly. Also, the game is out of RVS because most people have correctly identified town bell. It's not RVS anymore if there were no votes and also, if someone already has a pretty good idea that at least one(1) player is town.
Also, Joqiza sounds like he's telling the truth, but my ears are bad and I could be wrong.

I'm seriously considering just putting in my signature " but I could be wrong" to save myself the trouble of communicating this every post.

[Bell]

Could you PM us when Defcon 4 starts so I can spam it then?

[Bell]

i'm about to change the game

https://voca.ro/16bgXWOmBRj1

Spoiler: Transcript lol

O say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

i'm conftown now

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Refuge_Could_Save

But, sure, you can be conf town for that.

[Bell]

Yeah, I'm taking air base.
Sorry scum team/serial killer.
Look on the bright side, I tend to have opinions and if you manage to fool me into thinking you're town, odds are I'll defend you like an idiot.

[Bell]

I scumread bell, so Im not sure about this.

Why? What do you scum read me for now?

[Bell]

I'm totally lost.

Ask in the mafia QT for help

Am I still scum?

[Bell]

I scumread bell, so Im not sure about this.

Why? What do you scum read me for now?

High postcount, low content.

This isn’t a valid argument anymore in my opinion, it demonstrates a lack of adaptation and flexibility/reactivity that new scum sometimes struggle with. How many times have you rolled scum T3?

[Bell]

All uranium is radioactive. Uranium becomes lead once it decays, I think.

Why do you think Mastina is scum?

[Bell]

I mean, because she is. Haven't you been reading?

Natural 20. "You sound very confident, I'd love to sheep you, but you failed your charisma check! Please try again and explain it to me like I'm five years old."

[Bell]

VOTE: T3

[Bell]

I didn't like DeasVails tr on DeathNote. Bell, why?

You didn't update your read until you got pressured.

[Bell]

It's a pain even for me to explain it.
Divergent should be clear enough. When I'm scum I don't emulate my town play. If you want examples just click my name and go to search topics and pick a town scum and a scum game and see the difference. I guess my most recent scum game was in team mafia and my most recent town game is warehouse 13.

[Bell]

I'm upside down on Mastina with a lot of scum huners tha I know are better than me.
I am confused. She's posting small and not really reacting to votes or suspicion thrown at her, but otherwise everything she's saying sems like her town game to some extent.
Well, maybe not, she says true stuff as scum all he time.
Would anyone actually like to explain it.

Pooky, what do you think?

[Bell]

Did Gorilla just say we should get the lurkers

[Bell]

Pooky is semi hard to read this game.
He's low on my list for day 1 elimination tho.

@pedit: How do I put this, it's kind of performative.

[Bell]

I'm with Prism on Prism. He really has been par for the course this game so far.

Pedit: Are you smiling while saying that? You can't not be smiling while saying that

[Bell]

I guess what bothers me about that post is how vanilla it is. It's plain and verges on pointing out the obvious.

[Bell]

hmm
well I don't think that's what gorilla was saying. I think he was saying to just pressure low posters

This is in effect the same thing.

[Bell]

729

[Bell]

ya ig I am stating the obvious. If u townread me for stating the obvious ur bad idunno a nicer way to put it tbh.

yeah, you're misinterpreting me. I'm saying gorilla's post was plain.

[Bell]

The mary pooky interaction does feel slightly weird.
I can't really tell if it's just outgoing Marry who is relaxed town just trying to make jokes,
If they're scum with Pooky and trying to figure out how to talk to one another, but they're coming off forced or trying to emulate themselves through a fun house mirror.
Or if they're just scum looking for something to do.

I dunno, they all sound sort of plausible to me and, you know, there's a lot of other possibilities.

[Bell]

I feel like I'm posting just for the sake of posting.
I'll go back to town lurking, not scum lurking.
See you tomorrow.

[Bell]

Sure, Joqiza. You're probably town so I'll keep that in mind.
Please keep this in mind though,
I am very, very tired of friend reads that end up being wrong, so come back to marry with a comb later and see if something gets stuck.

[Bell]

If I start role playing it probably means I’m third party.

Ydra seems more active she solvey than I remember as either alignment. I dunno what to make of it.
Yes Titus content low. No vca, though.

Vfp is being a weird dolphin.

[Bell]

Okay, 1 I love/hate my job.
2. That's a lot of new pages.

VOTE: VFP

[Bell]

I didn't like their first reads list because it didn't mention the people that it would make sense for them to get a read on given the posts that were made. In my expert opinion.

[Bell]

I didn't like their first reads list because it didn't mention the people that it would make sense for them to get a read on given the posts that were made. In my expert opinion.

Can you go more in-depth for when I read missives later?

Pooky, yes. Et al maybe, T3? seems random.

Oh, I kind of liked that he tried to ask people who recently posted who scum were.

I'm avoiding the Mastina thing for now.

[Bell]

Can someone check a stray missive in my head:

What if Lady Lambdadelta is committing vehicular manslaughter over her buddy Mastina?

Lady Lambdadelta seems a different kind of yelly than Warehouse 13.

Is this silliness?

Doubt it. She can do better as scum than bus her partner out the gate.

[Bell]

If you're trying to figure out if we're partners with opposite positioning the answer is no, I'm town.

[Bell]

Not to oversimplify but I'm not sure how eliminating Mastina with the instructions: stop sucking, get good. Is going to result in improvement. On the other hand, I don't care .I'm here to find the Reds and the third party guy and have fun puzzle solving. Not dispense advice. I have tried fake policy limming Mastina as scum before, but it wasn't my real opinion on the matter.

@Vax, just from my own tendencies as scum, I notice that scum tend to occupy opposite positions on any wagon. It's like hedging your bets kinda. I don't much stock in it though, just trying to see from their perspective.

The difference between Sam and I might just be because we've different experiences with LLD. She tends to hit scum early in my games. I dunno what experience Sam has had with LLD.

[Bell]

NGL, my read on Joqiza is going all over the place because I remember a particular brand of scum that coasted on a genuine meta read.

[Bell]

Coasted = little effort needed after avoiding initial suspicion.
Genuine meta read = Your read of Marry, could be a real, could be honest and could be right, with you still being scum. Giving a real opinion is a serviceable way to appear to be hunting.

[Bell]

You appear to have 3 reads by my count. So, while it's annoying it doesn't really ring as untrue to me. But I can't observe stuff, I can't see.

[Bell]

Hiya

[Bell]

What, historically, do 3p tend to use in terms of silos/troop movements?

[Bell]

Also, I'm not sure that if a team with Mastina in it would be silo happy or not.

Also, good job on eliminating scum mastina. I'm afraid I missed her.

[Bell]

99% chance mafia wanted to cut their losses and ram through doomed mastina, get some town points, and end the day fast

and who pushed it harder than lady lambdadelta

plus my tinfoil that entire time was that the reason ldd was being so harsh was because they already planned it with mastina beforehand

Why do I need another read? Mastina is scum, she'll flip, and then I'll have reads from that.

You said you would vote Mastina right? What's the holdup then?

being antsy about the day not being rushed was a red flag for me too

They're always harsh though. I agree there were almost certainly bus votes On mastina, but I also think it wasn't LLD. But the people who voted her with low content allowing themselves to move off if the opportunity presented itself.

But eh. I think it would be extremely poor play to eliminate LLD right now.

[Bell]

I wouldn't know but I would probably want a fallout shelter if I was a 3rd party.

Ngl, I feel like me asking this question, i would have voted myself for 3p hunting as scum. Tee hee, I'm still town tho.

[Bell]

It is, in fact the rare scum that defends mafia day 1, as mafia themselves.
I thought they might have been scum arguing against a town miselimination. But that proved wrong. It is, at the very least, unique, though not unprecedented.

I'm just looking at Prism with the closest magnifying glass I have and waiting tbh (this is not a crumb).

[Bell]

It is, in fact the rare scum that defends mafia day 1, as mafia themselves.
I thought they might have been scum arguing against a town miselimination. But that proved wrong. It is, at the very least, unique, though not unprecedented.

I'm just looking at Prism with the closest magnifying glass I have and waiting tbh (this is not a crumb).

Can people please stop saying they’re looking at Prism?

This Moogle is Prism.

Same slot.

I'm aware. I am looking directly at you and trying to figure out your alignment. You're a hydra now right? Or did you change speaking styles and approach mid-game?

[Bell]

You decided to create a new account midgame as a sort of metaphorical metamorphosis?

[Bell]

Well, I can't say it's not thematically appropriate, you've always given off that sort of impression.
As for speaking style, I just sort of assumed that you wouldn't mid game start arguing about autism when you're usually pretty laser focused on shit post creativity and finding the scums. I'm still discovering the layers of you, I guess.

As scum do you think you would have been more effectual in stopping Mastina's wagon?


Pedit: wait what.
So did Prism just replace out and you're a new guy that's insisting you're Prism because you replaced into his slot and therefore his slot is your slot and his intentions are your intentions or what?

[Bell]

Nah, Gorilla I was just confused.

On the bright side, in the edge case that mognet is scum, I cannot possibly be scum with him.

[Bell]

eavesdropper here again. mafia is saying they misspoke the other day. they actually like small butts. i find this weird.

pedit: ME EITHER? I POSTED IT BEFORE I LOOKED AT THE WHOLE THING i do not identify with the yelling part

@Marry, what did this post mean?

[Bell]

Nah, Gorilla I was just confused.

On the bright side, in the edge case that mognet is scum, I cannot possibly be scum with him.

And when I flip American you’re looking like scum trying to piss me off into claiming who the human is behind the moogle.

I'm gunna ignore this post. Because I'm not sure if you're trying to pretend to be pissed off so that I think you're pissed off town. Or you genuinely think that. To be clear, nope, I was just genuinely confused what happened with your slot. My current understanding now is that Prism replaced out of this game. You Replaced in as an alt of somebody else. You're not a hydra. The end.

I mistakenly thought that Prism formed a hydra with someone and he was still here.
That's all.

[Bell]

VOTE: T3

For now.

[Bell]

Also, question.
Why aren't 2 people dead?

[Bell]

We were in defcon 3, so the terrorist had a kill right?

[Bell]

There is something I believe I should disclose but I'm not sure what the correct strategy is.

U should prolly just tell us, cause im scum reading you.

What Robert is saying is super duper townie.

[Bell]

Oh, so Pooky was 100% killed by the terrorist?

[Bell]

He's saying he has something useful to share with the class but he doesn't want to give information out in a way that could hurt the town by narrowing the potential targets.

It's a restrained cry for help saying, "help me figure out how to say what I need to benefit town without hurting my (town) win condition."

[Bell]

Anyone good at information security have advice for Robert?

[Bell]

I am smug catting for DAYS

Well earned.

[Bell]

Bah Post

I want to open my heart and bare my incomplete, chimeric and conflicted American soul in response to this.

But mostly, I'm just confused at this post.

One aspect of America is corporate America. You can't understand America without understanding the interactions of fortune 1000 companies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yum!_Brands

You can't understand America without understanding the history of slavery and racism.

You can't understand America without understanding its systems of Government, judiciary, executive, legislature.

You can't understand America without understanding capitalism.

You can't understand America without understanding federalism.

You can't understand America without understanding the educational system.

You can't understand America without understanding its military.

And so much more that I'll never have the time to fully understand.

KFC's chicken is pretty good though.

[Bell]

Lol, I totally forgot about religion.

[Bell]

I've decided after a lot of reading and thinking that I lean town on Marry.

[Bell]

Bell u rprobs town, not sure if i mentioned it, but gorilla is town. Not sure about marry tho

VOTE: Bell
Not seeing it Target Kupo.

This is the worst vote of all time.

Pedit:
@Cephrir: Noted in the Book of Kudos.

[Bell]

Bunch of cowards going for Pooks.

townslip?

-S

Saw it, he would have had to entirely ignore the conversations this day phase before saying it. Be another one of those low info/set up reading players(like me!) etc. Given how short the post was it seems targeted to hit that exact note and nothing else. Even though it sort of comes off as daring/meant to taunt the scum team. I liked that, but I just don't really have much confidence in interpreting that one in particular.

[Bell]

I'm not gunna argue too hard against it I've posted multiple times this game first before catching up. I'm simply saying that I would be cautious about town binning him for that since plenty of lazy scum (me for one!) also try to town slip like that.

[Bell]

Also, did your grandpa wake you up to go to the bathroom too or do you live in australia?

[Bell]

VOTE: VFP

Don't mind me Vax, proceed.

[Bell]

We should probably be killing VFP he's thread avoiding on purpose.

[Bell]

Happy mother's day.

[Bell]

We should probably be killing VFP he's thread avoiding on purpose.

Ew, your one of those players...

I've posted in a game that finished today It's a busy day and I'm not here to post on demand for you..

That aside.
Why is Marry not eliminated yet?

1. Ad hom.
2. I don't recall saying you had to be here for me.
3. Diversion.

[Bell]

I don't think VFP is a good vote here.

I'm getting deja vu. I think VFP is a good vote here. Why do you think he isn't?

[Bell]

Mognet are you saying that VFP is scum and that the entity is scum with him or that Marry is scum, that the Entity is attacking VFP to save marry or what?

[Bell]

I did just provide a case.
He ad hommed me, argued I was being unreasonable, and then unsubtly tried to shift focus back to Marry.
He has a plan and he's sticking to it.

[Bell]

@Robert, since not many folk have responded to your concern. I'll put my feet up and say that you should only announce a likely guilty result, but not a likely town clear until their wagon grows.

[Bell]

If you guys could avoid speed limming this round unless you're super confident in a flip, I'd appreciate it.

The weekend is almost over and I'll be back to basically posting in the evening and nothing else. It was a good thing that I wasn't around for mastina lim because I might have accidentally derailed it. But this day phase maybe not so much.

[Bell]

We should probably be killing VFP he's thread avoiding on purpose.

We should probably be killing VFP he's thread avoiding on purpose.

Ew, your one of those players...

I've posted in a game that finished today It's a busy day and I'm not here to post on demand for you..

That aside.
Why is Marry not eliminated yet?

1. Ad hom.
2. I don't recall saying you had to be here for me.
3. Diversion.

I don't think VFP is a good vote here.

I'm getting deja vu. I think VFP is a good vote here. Why do you think he isn't?

I did just provide a case.
He ad hommed me, argued I was being unreasonable, and then unsubtly tried to shift focus back to Marry.
He has a plan and he's sticking to it.

[Bell]

Mognet is not a great vote imo. It seems more to do with having a negative charisma stat than because he's doing anything particularly scummy.

[Bell]

Bell fwiw I acknowledge 2187 and I do think vfp's 2060 was a bad post. i'll noodle on it. the underlying activity read doesn't speak much to me.

Thanks buddy. Hopefully I can convince more people to vote scum dolphin this day phase and secure his elimination. I figure a few more days of incessant nagging should just about do it.

[Bell]

You're right mognet, I'm sorry for the charisma comment. It was hurtful and an ad hom.
I'm not gunna comment on the rest of that because it's 12:00 AM, I have to go to work and I don't think I could really engage with this conversation right now.

@LLD: What do you think about VFP?

[Bell]

I do think mognet is town. UNVOTE:

You were voting VFP tho.

[Bell]

*pokes LLD*

[Bell]

k so the only wagons that aren't me are Nexus and VFP. nexus's iso is largely complaining/shade/one liners, and vfp's push on me looked like it came from at least a follow-able train of thought

VOTE: nexus

A follow-able train of thought is not, I think at least, better than an un-follow-able one.
Do you tend not to vote people that vote you?

[Bell]

*pokes LLD*

What?

I've posted!

I want Robert dead!

Can we kill the dolphin first.

[Bell]

Feedback - Kill the dolphin x 100.

[Bell]

Is this allowed?

VOTE: Robert M Hunter

Scum GrayIce would be thrilled.

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I don't get why t3 is getting townreads at all. He's not my biggest suspect and I'm fine letting him go for today but I just find that odd.

I'm pretty much ok with all the wagons but for vfp.

Explain this.

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i tried to read the rules and just got a headache

ill get to this tmr

Hi. It's good to see you IV.

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Titus, are you ignoring me?

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I don't get why t3 is getting townreads at all. He's not my biggest suspect and I'm fine letting him go for today but I just find that odd.

I'm pretty much ok with all the wagons but for vfp.

Explain this.

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Why are you against the dolphin elimination?

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If he doesn't flip red or purple I'll eat your hat titus.
It's a big hat.

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IN WAREHOUSE 13 IT WAS TOTALLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

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REMEMBER WHAT YOUR HUSBAND DID? HE SAID LET THEM EAT CAKE.
BUT WHAT HE REALLY MEANT WAS, LET ME EAT CAKE.

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But the dolphin is scum LLD.
I even said I'd eat Titus's hat if I was wrong.
That's a big hat.
I would die if I ate it.

I'm following in your 1v1 fite me foot steps.
Game plz recognize game.
JUST ONCE I WANT TO BE THE HERO.

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I'm going to bed. People should vote this person, I don't really have a scum read on Nexus and VFP is... kind of in my blindspot so I'll look at him when I'm not as frustrated with everything.

Please put him into the spot light.

Also, I'm not saying Robert is town.
I'm just saying VFP is scum.

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Tbh, his unwillingness to even engage with me after that first conversation should be saying a lot.

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It's a direct point of conflict between his willingness to engage with people in real time when he wants to ask about scum reads, but when someone persistently pushes at him, he just doesn't engage or attempt to interpret their motivation or alignment.

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I don't really think we need to draw out this day phase much more.
I think as long as we hit scum this day phase we've done our sufficient town duty.

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I need to engage with more of the player list. But mostly, I just want you guys to sheep me this one time this game and then you can ignore me and enjoy your nuclear bombing campaign.
*pokes and prods*

Just say fine and yeet the dolphin.

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To be clear, I don't want powerful scum players to stop a scum elimination from going through, through sheer unwillingness to eliminate the correct choice and associated sluggishness.

I need the dolphin to die this day phase, not down the line.

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Please?

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Would you look at that, I’m not dead.

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Hi there, I’ll get to this when I feel settled enough as my brain is mashed potato from
Work.

Mostly though, who was et al pushing? They kind of just stopped posting and earned an nk anyway.

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Also, I have no results.

I just get tunneled sometimes when something sets me off. It’s a bad d1-d2 habit/playstle.

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Worked out here, thanks for assist church of skitter.

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I haven’t read who launched what at who yet.
I don’t have a silo though. So if anyscum would like a shot I’m defenseless.

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Shut up EVERYONE JUST SHUT UP!

Be cool man be coooll...

I'm not crazy your crazzy!

Nuke: T3

DONT LOOK AT ME YOU SCUM BASTARD.

What a pro-town nuke.

I dunno about IV, I think he's town kinda. But I could be wrong.

I have zero opinion on koto.

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VOTE: Robert

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Robert what's your PR? and what are your results?

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I wanna compliment Sircakez on the death flavor this game.

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Did you choose to get that role or was it a draft thing?

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Sure.

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I like all the nukes in the air now.

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if someone could just release another nuke on Robert, we'd be golden.
In that, All the people I'm having a difficult time understanding would be dead.

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Gives early reads, was right on mastina, no tone shift with two scum deaths, encourages communication, encouragement of remembering what people say and accountability

Obvtown

Third time's the charm.
I mean, eventually your obvious town reads have to flip town just through sheer mathematical chance, right?

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I got top 16 at my yugioh tournament

Logging in just to congratulate you at winning at a children’s card game.
I am serious. Every time I’ve entered a card game tournament I get whooped.

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I’m a stats guy.
I don’t believe my own eyes and downplay my own experiences. My assumption is that my perspective is flawed and while we are all incredibly sensitive instruments, we think good only relatively well compared to everything else, but reality navigation isn’t something we’re super good at.

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Meta calls are to my knowledge, the difference between winning and losing if you aren’t absolutely terrible at making combat decisions.
And it’s really hard to make a good call there.

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My focus remains on Robert.
I also want to look more closely at DV. He sort of fits a mold of polite scum. But his posts have always given me mixed feelings.

@equinox, hi. Don’t be sorry, you don’t need to know everyone. I didn’t even k ow you played mafia, I just thought you just modded.

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But I think just bussing day 2 after a loss of a teammate on day 1. Should pretty explicitly rule me out. So you don’t really need to trust other people on that. It would just be really bad scum play for me to do that to a partner. There was enough voices of doubt that it wouldn’t make sense for me to try to push his elimination through when other options seemed perfectly reasonable.

Though, I suspect, Robert is scum too and the scum team is on the back foot.

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I would appreciate it if someone launched a nuke at Robert btw. The more nights there are the more kills scum get.

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You should not trust me after a single correct guess. Especially when my reasoning was pretty shallow. I thought his focus was artificially narrow.

But yeah, if you don’t have a better nuke option or if you’d like to wait to for it. But the results of these flips is going to be a mixed bag of answers.

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VOTE: DV

How’s it goin’

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Because I enjoy taking responsibility for vague feelings, I will simply state that I thought Robert’s emotional response wasn’t quite right to LLD. I also, don’t disagree with IV.

Watch me eat my words when he flips green.

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I am tired. I am still trying to figure out coping strategies to working as a human being. Maybe I'll find some mysterious battery that gives me more energy when I run low after a work day ends.

This seems like a strange time to claim interceptor.
Why that choice?

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Yeah, but if you're town isn't there a benefit to not claiming interceptor and just waiting for a submarine shot?

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Uh, isn't submarine a scum role.

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It literally fires off a nuke at a target, but doesn't say who fired it and makes i difficult to know who shot it. It's pretty much an extra scum kill that can only be stopped by your role or the player being immune/deploying a nuke defense.

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This also stops them from retaliating if they're that vengeful role.

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Huh, that's silly that you have to know the name of the player firing off the nuke to intercept it.

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Was that also your first pick?

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Yeah, I was wondering about that.

@Deasvail, Yes. I just mean from a MY IMMERSION stand point.

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Shouldn't we force everyone we suspect to nuke T3 then.

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Well, it's too late now, lol.

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Yeah, I agree, I'm definitely wrong and now confused why Deasvail hasn't already blocked it.

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It's sad that I've read the troop descriptions multiple times and am still misunderstanding the roles.

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I guess we just wait for the flips now.

And go over associations in the mean time?

Would any of the doomed people like to claim their roles/abilities/alignments early to save us some time?

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jsyk, I think Church of skitter cleared themselves of being team scum because 1. They helped push VFP through. 2. VLP made the mistake of responding to their provocation when they said they made a bad play by admitting to being scum in thread. He got baited. Though, there's no need to be mean or act as the punisher for some basic ignorance about optimal play, nobody plays optimally after all.

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I think I have a hard time reading DSV, but my polite scum opinion hasn't been shook.

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He's prodding koto.

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Well, I wasted my power. Titus is the ideal lim I think.

On deathnote? Why's that a waste?

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Would you look at that.
3 scum dead.

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either way fuck him guy was an asshole

I'm sure the terrorist will put up more of a fight.

Also, we still have 3 flips to go through.

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Wrong quote, lol.

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Replace outs are statistically more likely to be scum all else being equal. We had a discussion with a research paper and everything, lol.

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The statistical likelihood of us nuking all the scum here is very, very low.

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I think I have a hard time reading DSV, but my polite scum opinion hasn't been shook.

From vague memories, DeasVail is always polite. It's not a scumtell for him.

There were some iffy doubts I had toward him because it felt a bit like he was playing it safe, in a manner of speaking, but I feel like he doesn't react to STD the way he did if he knows koto is flipping Russian, and merlot's posts toward him looked like scum buddying a townie.

Yeah, I’m not in love with the read. But we’re low on people to Miselim for my amazing terrorist win.

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Koto didn't vote and wasn't voted so that's no use for VCA.

I’m sorry.

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I predict one scum flip of these 3. Place your bets folks.

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Lel

Shit.

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Town block with gorilla and church of skitter.

Titus has a nuke, if she wants to go after processing.

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They looked nervous and unsure when they shot IV.
I’m neutral to town lean on them. But not enough to stop it.

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I think we should wait for the RMH flip tbh

Agree mostly. I don't think anyone felt differently, the day phase is pretty long.

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I'm not apathetic though,
though I do have to go to work tomorrow and that means I can't dazzle you all with my amazing insight and commentary. Until next Saturday for the most part.

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Do something else, all I care about is winning and all of you as human beings.

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I'm town, you're town, Gorilla is town.

Everyone else can be a terrorist or the last scum.

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STD is not a russian.
imo.

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If Robert is town, it would be nice if they would try to hero solve on their way out.
As any American would.

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*pops head in*

Thanks Robert, bye Robert. Have a good one.
Not a single read tho?

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Give me a flip so I can feel bad for killing the town kitty.

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Oh, I didn’t realize I posted 2 minutes after the mod.
Well, I’m glad robert’s prancing out so I don’t have a sense of suspense. Scum would have tormented us. Probably.
So that sucks.

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I feel pretty bad for killing the town kitty.

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I’m glad, this is a game now.
But I’m sad because I won’t have time to look for real associations until next week.

Rip.

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Hi.
Please don't ask me to trust you in a game of deception. Ty.

Also, I don't disagree with the read,

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Okay, Joqiza, do you believe Church of skitter when they say you're town?

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It was a joke.

I like this game, there are at least 2 passable scum and 1 passable 3p. Though, I'm not sure if being a 3p is especially difficult.
To win yeah, to do decent? it's not as hard.

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I read Sam's stubbornness in sticking with their scumread on me without any additional reasoning (which would be very easy to make up as scum) despite ongoing pressure regarding this, to be town.

This reasoning leaves much to be desired.
Sam's scum or a PR imo.
Did they ever claim.

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I feel like everybody but me has claimed.
But I don't need to on account of being obv town.