In post 1212, Kismet wrote:
there's a lot in my iso about this but to hit the high points:
1) the biggest issue was the early engage on cakez, which felt like a move designed to emotionally manipulate cakez rather than read him, and the level of "i'm fed up with your shit" didn't seem like a legitimate reaction to what cakez had actually done at that point
2) the VFT shift seemed completely out of left field and didn't seem like legitimate paranoia at the time for me, just "I reread one post from lilith and decided they're town now" and I personally didn't see why that post in particular got them from strong scum to weak town read.
(Incidentally you and nacho are both ignoring skitter to read lilith, but seem to have come to completely opposite conclusions. If she's really the easier to read one, uh, I'm not seeing it here. Skitter looks town.
3) I still hatehatehatehate
871, and I explain in
882 why
4) I guess I'm really wary of the AtE in
887+ as it just sounds like to me someone really trying to be upset but like not actually upset.
what it's explicitly NOT about is the engagement on not_mafia (as I mentioned in
117) during the early points of the game, which I found to be oblique but am not scumreading. There's a lot of room for philosophical differences about how to approach this game.
I'm certainly open to talking about why you think he's town at this point in the game.
Maybe asking me about shit in the first place might have been a good place to start
I feel like I spent the majority of the early game doing this rather than attacking, but like even if you're town and I'm completely wrong on you I'm not going to apologize for being wrong. This is what we do to solve the game.
I'm doing my best not to make this a toxic interaction. You're a good player and I want you to be town and I feel like you have the ability to show it if that's legitimately what you are.
but like... cakez' intro was bad and I think deservedly called out by nacho? like if it was slightly exaggerated so what, it was still a good push then and is a good push now
and I mean, skitter most always looks town, that doesn't make her town. whereas lili is I think clearer to read. I'll go and find the nacho post where he talks about why he's reading lili as town in a minute but I do think that's the better way to read the hydra so I also don't really see what's wrong with this
I also don't think 871 is that bad unless you think he's lying about notty and infinity. I think he's wrong on infinity haviing left range, probably is right on notty, but the general point that the standard should be different for both of them vs a skitter-led hydra is like.. very reasonable imo?
I also don't think 887 is very AtE-ish *shrug*
right and I'm not talking about you necessarily but I feel like that's what started off the wagon train and then it's just never really been let go of, and new reasons have been provided as and when necessary
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I think he's town bc, as mentioned, I think he's just approaching the game in a very similar way to how I'm approaching it and has been the whole time. like, it's annoying that he has no idea how to read me and idk it would be good if ydrasse were here more bc I think she's somewhat easier to read but like
idk I just identify very strongly with him. it feels a lot like scum are playing a power game and have just kind of managed to freeze out both of us from having any real impact on the game by encouraging the narrative that we're scum since super early on when I don't think there was a substantive basis for that at all. but then that's continued instead of there being like, very much interest at all in re-evaluating either of our slots.
basically I feel like my slot is being handled in a certain way by scum, and when I look at nacho, who I think has had similar takes to me and a similar strategic approach, it feels like the same thing has been done to him. does that make sense?
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I feel like you scumbinned me super early for very weak reasons and then weren't super interested in getting into it. but like salsa and cakez are the worse culprits there but by the time you were also doing it I already felt like fuck this game vibes
