DEFCON Mafia 5.0: GAME OVER - NEW AMERICA FORMED

[mastina]

Oh fuck.
I was supposed to draw scum this game.

This is DEFCON MAFIA. You're supposed to be a TROLL.
I don't know how to troll as town! Shit!
Uh...don't suppose someone here can teach me?

VOTE: Total War
That's the troll thing to do, right?

[mastina]

Realtalk tho:

VOTE: AGAINST
unless I'm missing something total war just gives mafia more nightkills?

VOTE: TOTAL WAR
I trust gorilla with my life

Town.

Hello everyone
Let's do Total War
My reasons are as follows:
1. It hasn't been done before
2. More town-directed kills
3. Scum will have to be held responsible for their shots
4. Things will end faster and we can all get on with our lives sooner

isn't it pointless to vote for total war then, since not all players are voting for it and votes can't be changed?

Town?

ego i need to setup an avatar and me and mena need to decide if we're voting for this or not

Scum?

VOTE: TOTAL WAR
Ok im down.

Scum.

Wait I can't change that vote LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Oops.
I also did not read the rules, I cast my vote as a joke/nod to the last game being my first mastina game.

[mastina]

Why does it have to be unanimous, this is undemocratic, it should be decided the American way, by a group of people who live in Ohio while everyone else's vote is literally irrelevant

Upgrading Town? to Town.

VOTE: TOTAL WAR
I HAVE BEEN WAITING A DECADE FOR THIS

Town.

EVERY SINGLE FUCKING GAME THIS SHIT HAPPENS

Vote: Total War

Enjoy your two in-game Days of miserable pain!

Fuck hydras.

vote total war

Town?

Total War

VOTE: total war
i actually don't fully understand the pros and cons but it appears that this vote doesn't matter anyway

Scum?

fwiw I am very jealous at SS and may be considering sending nukes his way

no u
VOTE: FOR
we haven't worked out signing yet, are people going to be annoyed if we sign with "-S" and "-s"?
-S_S

Scum.


My post is fucking up and I can't figure out how to fix it, so readslist next post. (Was trying to write it this post but when I say my post is fucking up I mean it's fucking up really really badly.)

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[mastina]

PookyTheMagicalBear
gorilla
Prism
Cephrir (fastest backtrack in the west: I thought his opener was scum but his posts since then make me think town)
samantha97

Save the Dragons
Equinox
Nexus

DeasVail

Lady Lambdadelta
Toogeloo
Robert M Hunter
Untrod Tripod
DeathNote
joqiza
mary

Bell
deep-city-lights
T3

The Church of Skitter (Alisae/Menalque)
Titus

Vaxkiller
Et Al (Skitter/SS)

Locktown townreads lean town null (I need to shrink this I know) lean scum scumread scum.

[mastina]

Not sure i like mastina's readslist either
~ skitter

Et Al (Skitter/SS)
scum.

I wonder why?

[mastina]

Ego

Scum?

mastina's reads look random to me?

They aren't. I have a very detailed internal model of how I expect town and scum to act in the rvs (one that is somewhat dynamic), along with what amounts to a mental algorithm for players who haven't posted to help me sort them even without posts. (Which is why the null section is too big--I should be able to sort the names in there by and large even without them having posted.) It's something I've partially explained before but I wouldn't know how to fully unpack it and even if I did, once I did, it would make the process obsolete.

I can however explain my reads.

Pooky is self-evidently a TRUE PATRIOT with love of COUNTRY AND GOD above all. He radiates town with every iota of his posting. I realize that I've yet to see a proper Pooky scumgame (I might've seen it once in a hydra? Not sure, would need to check my memory, if I did he was underwhelming but it's possible I haven't seen Pooky-scum before), so I realize that he's apparently pretty damn good at it...but he's doing everything to just be. Town. Through and through. He's just radiating, oozing, town. To borrow his own words, he bleeds red white and blue with his very essence. He's got that energy, that aura, radiating town from him in a way that just, I don't see how that's ever scum.

gorilla is basically trying to mastina mastina, with his readslist style and his town scum quoting of posts, but beyond that, the way he suggested total war, the progression in his stances, what he is doing inthread and overall the total content just seems town.

Prism is already exuding similar energy to my experience with Prism as town. I instantly clicked with Prism's opener as being town and the things Prism are doing just feel town to me in a way that's a bit hard to articulate. Call it gut if you must but I'm just pretty sure that this is Prism as town. Granted, I've not actually seen Prism as scum but this

feels

like Prism as town.

Cephrir's opener gave me scumpings as an opener more likely to be from scum, but his content since then has been very much the Cephrir as town that I got to see in Team Mafia. I realize he's a skilled enough scum player to look highly town as scum and to imitate his town meta, but what he's doing doesn't look like scum imitating their town meta, it looks like town being in their town meta.

samantha is by far the weakest of these townreads, mostly from samantha's opener.

STD I've liked so far, but while it looks vaguely town, STD is a legendary player whose skills at scum mean that this is not out of what I imagine STD's scumrange to be.

Equinox is similar, in looking town but not being locktown yet.

Nexus I lean town on from his opener but I need more to be sure.

DeasVail is pure gut.

Bell and deep-city-lights are both gut from the algorithm.
T3 is hard to get a lock on, but I do lean scum from T3's content overall.

Church of Skitter is Ali and that comes with the disclaimer that I can't read Ali worth shit, but I feel like I should be able to read Mena here. So far nothing town from them and they look scum but it's not locked.

Titus's townplay has degraded to the point where just about every game of hers I think her towngame is her as scum, and this is why she's not lockscum--but she looks and breathes scum to me right now; my previous inaccuracies are the only reason she's not lockscum here.

Vaxkiller isn't even trying to hide that he's scum here.

And Et Al is my largest scumread because it is the hydra I would expect to be the towniest slot in the game--skitter is a bloody paragon, both having won the award and being at that level to receive nominations multiple consecutive years. I would expect her to, very quickly, radiate town. She hasn't. But more than that, Something_Smart also is someone I would expect to see town in if he were town. I'm not seeing it. In fact what I'm seeing reminds me of scum-S_S.

[mastina]

Oh whoops, meant to include an updated readslist with that:

PookyTheMagicalBear
gorilla
Prism
Cephrir (fastest backtrack in the west: I thought his opener was scum but his posts since then make me think town)
samantha97

Save the Dragons
Equinox
Nexus

Lady Lambdadelta
DeasVail

Toogeloo
Robert M Hunter
Untrod Tripod
joqiza
mary

Bell
deep-city-lights
T3

DeathNote
The Church of Skitter (Alisae/Menalque)
Titus

Vaxkiller
Et Al (Skitter/SS)

DeathNote scum for being...well, scum; he's pretty damn scum here albeit not lock.
LLD town by gut + algorithm.

[mastina]

Prism is already exuding similar energy to my experience with Prism as town. I instantly clicked with Prism's opener as being town and the things Prism are doing just feel town to me in a way that's a bit hard to articulate. Call it gut if you must but I'm just pretty sure that this is Prism as town. Granted, I've not actually seen Prism as scum but this feels like Prism as town.

Makes no sense given WH13, where I was the only one to pick up on a loophole the mod didn't catch in the pregame, and I did not start out shitposting

No two towngames are exactly alike. There are games where I will pick up on mechanical loopholes the mod didn't and then there are games where I will herpaderp and blatantly not grasp fundamental game mechanics--the divide between these isn't town vs scum, it's game vs game.

I would expect similar from you. In fact it is specifically BECAUSE of that difference but similarity to me, if that makes sense. Plus I think that your posts overall have more similarity between games than you give yourself credit for. I'm pretty sure that while you may not have considered your posts in Warehouse 13 to be shitposting, you had a fair amount of posting that wasn't entirely serious--at least that's what my memory told me. Basically you are giving off similar vibes and similar an aura to that game. Not literally identical, obviously, but similar. Similar in a way that seems town.

[mastina]

A) i feel compelled to point out that i havent won paragon

Huh, could've sworn you had.

B) i literally hadnt posted yet at the time you posted this read, so i would love to hear more abt how u determined i wasnt 'radiating towniness' from my posting

I mean this is self-explanatory as the first is explanation enough for the second.

But while my initial scumread was written before your posting--135 was written after you had posted.

The initial scumread was for Something_Smart, but you've only strengthened the existing scumread. Because you're not radiating towniness.

[mastina]

THE ONLY THING TRUE AMERICANS DO IS ORIENT THEIR NUKES TOWARDS THE SKY AND LET GOD DECIDE THE REST

Pooky you are a treasure. <3

[mastina]

Ya probably, it wouldn't be the first time they were scum and they started the game that way.

I'm pretty sure regardless of which head posted this, this is a scummy as fuck post from the Church.

Ya probably, it wouldn't be the first time they were scum and they started the game that way.

It was a c/p from her first post in the previous game, though...
-S

Especially because of this.

Hi, yay 8 pages. I'm an American and I thought for a moment, oh shit. I am scum, but strangely, I am not scum and am instead town.

I'm not sure but I THINK that this is a town-Bell.

[mastina]

REAL AMERICANS KNOW NUKES ARE SUPERIOR

Town. <3

VOTE: total war

Hard to say but I THINK that this is town.

PookyTheMagicalBear
gorilla
Prism
Lady Lambdadelta
Cephrir
samantha97

Save the Dragons
Equinox
Nexus

Bell
joqiza
DeasVail

Toogeloo
Robert M Hunter
Untrod Tripod
mary

deep-city-lights
T3

Titus
DeathNote
The Church of Skitter (Alisae/Menalque)

Vaxkiller
Et Al (Skitter/SS)

Locktown townreads townleans null null-lean-scum scumreads scum.

[mastina]

THIS MUST BE A TOWN
AMERICANS DO NOT NEED TO KNOW ANYTHING

It's hard to say for sure, but I actually am inclined to agree with you there.

PookyTheMagicalBear
gorilla
Prism
Lady Lambdadelta
Cephrir
samantha97

Save the Dragons
Equinox
Bell
Nexus

Robert M Hunter
joqiza
DeasVail

Toogeloo
Untrod Tripod
mary

deep-city-lights
T3

Titus
DeathNote
The Church of Skitter (Alisae/Menalque)

Vaxkiller
Et Al (Skitter/SS)

Think this is more accurate for my reads right now.

[mastina]

KNOWLEDGE IS THE ENEMY OF PROGRESS
WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR LIMITS YOU CAN ACHIEVE THE IMPOSSIBLE

Pooky can I just say that you are legitimately a treasure?

Because you're amazing. <3

I'm genuinely getting a wide smile on my face reading your posts.

mastina's reads look random to me?

I’m catching up by reading properly now but at this point in the game I actually find myself... vibing... with mastina’s reads and I’m not sure how to feel about that

It happens surprisingly often, believe it or not.

I've gotten significantly more competent at townplay since the last DEFCON. (Granted, admittedly my scumplay has since tanked so it was a tradeoff and I am not infallible, I was only so-so in Team Mafia and I did manage to basically singlehandedly lose a recent game by hard-townbinning two players that were scum so I am no paragon. But I DO have my moments of goodness where I know how to find scum and how to find town.)

mastina why do you write so much.

I'm pretty sure I have one of the lower post counts in the game and that I'm typing a lot less than you're insinuating; most of my posts are readslists.

[mastina]

I HAVE BOUGHT THREE KILOS OF GRADE A COLOMBIAN COCAINE FOR USE DURING THIS GAME

(Genuinely curious about this btw; I feel like I'm missing the joke here because to my autistic ass, colombian cocaine invokes the air of communism so I don't actually get how this is an American thing but I admit to being fairly ignorant.)

At ths point bell feel like high postcount but lacking in content. The reads almost feel forced.

You and I are apparently reading very different games as Bell very much does not look like he's lacking content to me.

Looking at the list again I think the one we should really try to get is submarine because it's dangerous in enemy hands. So if town gets it they can just hardclaim it.

In my attempt to channel my inner patriot:
PLANNING IS UNAMERICAN, WE GO IN WE SHOOT WE KILL WE DON'T ASK QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE KNOW WE ARE ALREADY IN THE RIGHT.
(Which is to say: I have my own draft plan and my theory for which are the most optimal picks to make in what order, but I feel like sharing them publicly is anti-town because if I share them pre-draft, scum can adjust their strategy.)

[mastina]

VOTE: Against
Make love, not war, man.

HIPPIE EUROSCUM

Pretty much, yeah.

[mastina]

Oh whoops meant to include a readslist with that:

PookyTheMagicalBear
gorilla
Prism
Lady Lambdadelta
Cephrir
samantha97

Bell
Save the Dragons
Equinox
Nexus

Robert M Hunter
joqiza
DeasVail

Untrod Tripod
mary

deep-city-lights
T3

Toogeloo
Titus
DeathNote
The Church of Skitter (Alisae/Menalque)

Vaxkiller
Et Al (Skitter/SS)

Locktown townread lean town null lean scum scumread scum.

[mastina]

@Mastina, you didn't really answer the question about why you write so much, I'm curious too!

Oh, that?

Simple; I'm autistic.

Being autistic means that I struggle to find the words most people use, so I use ten words to say what others say with two, because my brain is wired in such a way that I literally couldn't think of the two words to say until after I had said the ten, usually by someone pointing out "couldn't you have said those ten words by using just these two?".

There's also a desire to perfectly capture the concept of my thought and translate it into text. If I feel like the concept isn't explained with just one word/sentence even if one word/sentence might be sufficient to get the general idea, I add extras to reinforce the more exact meaning.

That, combined with a desire for literary flow. Even with my autistic ass brain, I can cut out some words here and there but deliberately choose to leave them in--because I made the judgement call that in having done so, the words flow better. Adding in rhymes, adding in alliteration, adding in repetition, where otherwise it would be absent.

Rather that she tends to pick up on people who are trying to look town and town reads them.

Actually I am RIDICULOUSLY good at picking up someone trying to be town without actually BEING town. Like, if scum are trying to look town without being town, I'm almost definitely, like 90+%, going to catch them.

Unfortunately, for whatever reason, scum aren't exclusively among those who try to be town without being town; I will scumread town who I believe were trying to look town without them actually being town.

So my problem isn't reading scum trying to be town as town; my problem is reading town trying to be town as scum.

I'm fairly good at identifying some town that're genuinely BEING town, but unfortunately there are some instances of scum that act in a way that I feel wasn't forced, where they were organic and natural in a way that radiated town energy in spite of them being scum. These instances are fairly rare tho because most scum can't do that, they can either try to be town without being town or don't try to be town and don't look town.

A player able to radiate town without forcing it, without trying to, as scum, is the hallmark of the highest caliber of scum player. That or the sheer dumbest luckiest ones who accidentally manage to achieve the feat while ignorant of having done so.

[mastina]

I'm not acting any different than the last game we just played together as both town, and you hard town read me there.

Actually, you are, and it is specifically

because

of the differences I'm seeing between that game and this one that make me think you're scum here.

[mastina]

i'm conftown now

While you may have said that in jest, I actually say it in sincerity for a different reason;
The joqiza-marry dynamic to me is very very strongly reminiscent of Ydrasse-pichu(Hectic), a dynamic that I don't think scum can create.

PookyTheMagicalBear
gorilla
Prism
Bell
Lady Lambdadelta
Cephrir
samantha97
joqiza

mary
Save the Dragons
Equinox
Nexus

Robert M Hunter
DeasVail

Untrod Tripod

deep-city-lights
T3

Toogeloo
Titus
DeathNote
The Church of Skitter (Alisae/Menalque)

Vaxkiller
Et Al (Skitter/SS)

Locktown townreads lean town null lean scum scumread scum. (In hindsight I have a few too many scumreads. Nothing a few good nukes can't fix tho. )

[mastina]

I mean, because she is. Haven't you been reading?

He has, but you apparently aren't if you think this is scumastina.

I'm not sold on mastina scum yet, but I've also never (to my knowledge) played with mastina so idk.

Easy way to read me: am I posting content? If so I am town. Am I not posting content? If so I am scum. I'm posting content this game, therefore, I am town.

[MCMAW SYSTEM] Attention Taskforce members, this is Command. Soldier deep-city-lights has picked up their intelligence but has not communicated on the network with us yet. We are giving soldier deep-city-lights 24 hours to message or we will draft a new cadet. Carry on soldiers.

So this is scum, right?

deep city lights probably drew scum and decided they didn't want to play

My thoughts exactly.

[mastina]

VOTE: Untrod Tripod
We see you, Commie fuck.

Quite possibly. He's only posted once this game and it was over three days ago. As far as I can tell his last post onsite was in this game but I trust you to be more knowledgeable about UT than I am so if you say that he's been around since then I'm inclined to believe that makes him scum.

would anyone mind fleshing out the bell divergent town/scum game for me btw?

Well basically Bell is the new Creature; as scum, he can fake effort for a short while but over long periods of time, if he's posting lots and lots and his content is good, he's town; if he's not, he's scum.

He can fake it short term but long-term it's impossible and this is shaping up to look a lot like Bell as town.

[mastina]

I'm not acting any different than the last game we just played together as both town, and you hard town read me there.

Actually, you are, and it is specifically

because

of the differences I'm seeing between that game and this one that make me think you're scum here.

Can you explain these?

mastina, can you explain your Vax read? He looked reasonably towny to me.

Well basically. Vaxkiller is trying to be town without actually being town. Last game, Vaxkiller was town without trying to be town; he was town naturally from the onset. But here he's trying to force it. He's trying to make himself look town, in a way similar to last game, without actually radiating the town energy the way he did last game.

[mastina]

PookyTheMagicalBear
gorilla
Prism
Bell
Lady Lambdadelta
Cephrir
samantha97
joqiza

mary
Equinox/The Entity
Save the Dragons
Nexus

Robert M Hunter
DeasVail



Toogeloo
Titus
DeathNote

The Church of Skitter (Alisae/Menalque)
T3
Untrod Tripod
deep-city-lights

Vaxkiller
Et Al (Skitter/SS)

In hindsight, by and large I feel like that this is actually more accurate in spite of it basically inverting my previous scumreads and scumleans categories.

[mastina]

He has, but you apparently aren't if you think this is scumastina.

Come on, give yourself more credit than this...

I've given up on giving scumastina that credit. She'll be worth that credit again when she shows she's worthy of it but for...what, three years now? It's gotta be getting to that mark by now. She's consistently failed to show worthiness of the credit.

I know that scumastina in

theory

is capable of doing everything I do in my towngames. And that, in theory, any time I am town, it COULD theoretically be a return of scumastina to her prime. It's no less true this game than any of my previous towngames; this could always be a return of scumastina to her prime, at least in theory.

But I'll believe it when I actually see it.

BUT MY ROLE PM IS PURE AMERICAN GOODNESS THIS TIME

Calling Pooky Unamerican is itself Unamerican. <3

[mastina]

i'm not sure what you mean when you say "a dynamic scum can't create" though

Exactly what it sounds like: a dynamic where the users cannot be scum-scum and cannot be scum-town because if it were scum-scum they wouldn't be able to keep it up and if it were scum-town the scum would struggle to realistically keep it up in a way fooling the town.

Umm... why are you all voting? I was told I'd be nuking people, not voting them. I ain't voting shit.

THERE IS NO FREAKING WAY THIS PERSON COULD POSSIBLY BE A RUSSKIE SCUMBAG

Ya know what?

...I actually see it.

PookyTheMagicalBear
gorilla
Prism
Bell
Lady Lambdadelta
Cephrir
samantha97
joqiza

mary
Equinox/The Entity
DeathNote
Save the Dragons
Nexus

Robert M Hunter
DeasVail



Toogeloo
Titus

The Church of Skitter (Alisae/Menalque)
T3
Untrod Tripod
deep-city-lights

Vaxkiller
Et Al (Skitter/SS)

Locktown townreads lean town lean scum scumreads scum.

[mastina]

Fair warning, am very rired tandomly tonight for some reason. Dunno why but I'm very much not exactly lcid right now. I'm very very sleepy but I know that there's a good chance I won't be around tomorrow (my yusual off days are Tuesday and Saturday) so I feel like I should try tonight in spite of my tiredness.

does mastina usually put themselves out there like that as mafia

Depends. Peak scumastina or recent scumastina? The answer is different between the two. Peak scumastina is perfectly capable of doing just about anything, putting myself out there among them. Recent scumastina is a lurksack lurkfuck who posts the bare minimum amount to not be replaced, posts readslists rarely if ever, pushes barely enough to scrape by, doing just the amount needed to not die and often even when at threat of death doesn't do the needed towkr to avert it.

I don't buy this. I'm your BIGGEST scum read. and this is all you got? I'm not radiating town energy?

No, no, there was more, I was asked to explain how you were different and the lack of radiating town energy is the main way which you were different. There was also the fact that you seemed like scum, but you always seem like scum. The main difference between town you and scum you is that scum you looks like scum while trying to force being town and lacking a town auro whereas town you looks like scum while actually radiating a town auro.

However. While that was my initial assessment, I'm actually having second thoughts. It might be the tiredness factor but I actually AM seeing the town aura tow and it doesn't feel forced, it doesn't feel out of place, it actually looks reak so that means that I'm thinking you might actually be town here.

so @mastina to be clear the unnerving thing about your read was the fact that you said you townread me AND marry. She really has not been present enough to have much of an idea abt her alignment besides rand.

marry was around for one page--one page was all I needed for the pichu(Hectic)-Ydrasse dynamic to townread it.

Obviously

, I would prefer more. And overall, I think you more town than marry (similar to how I thought Hectic more town than Ydrasse), in that IF the dynamic was faked the faker would be marry not you, but from what I've seen so far I'm not inclined to believe it was a fake. It's basically just. I could be wrong but I feel that for an earlygame read it's perfectly fine, it's a sort of thing that I can refine and revisit at a later time if need be but I'm going to stick by my initial impression of the dynamic being just...dynamic. For lack of a better term to use.

PookyTheMagicalBear
gorilla
Prism
Bell
Lady Lambdadelta
Cephrir
samantha97
joqiza

mary
Equinox/The Entity
DeathNote
Save the Dragons
Nexus

Robert M Hunter
DeasVail

Vaxkiller

Toogeloo
Titus

The Church of Skitter (Alisae/Menalque)
T3
Untrod Tripod
deep-city-lights

Et Al (Skitter/SS)

Locktown townreads lean town nullread (Vax is here until tomorrow when I'm less tired and to sort him again when so to speak sober so that I can figure out where to place him properly) lean scum scumread scum.

[mastina]

Exactly what it sounds like: a dynamic where the users cannot be scum-scum and cannot be scum-town because if it were scum-scum they wouldn't be able to keep it up and if it were scum-town the scum would struggle to realistically keep it up in a way fooling the town.

Sure, but why on earth does this apply to these two? They each have only a few posts toward each other, and they seem to mostly reflect a non-alignment-related friendship, which wouldn't be fake even if one or both of them were scum.

It's specifically BECAUSE it's a not-alignment-related friendship that it's a duyamic hard for scum to fake. It's something that scum struggle with, that sort of fluff with a tone that's hard to describe hwere they have a certain aura, a certain energy to them, that they bounce off of each other. Resonating with wone another and bouncing off of each other, sound waves amplified by the other where they play off of each other in a dynamic fluid way hard to fake. I call it the Ydrasse-Hectic (well, Ydrasse-pchu in the game it happened) dynamic because I have the tendency to call the dynamic after the most memorable example of a dynamic in recent memory and the most meomorable example of it to me was FL vs Titus thus the name of it being such.

sad that i'm not seeing a wife option in the troops...
HI CEPHRIR IM ALSO SEATTLE-ISH!!!

Oh hey I am also technically Seattleish. Technically, in that I believe I count as "greater Seattle area" (which I believe is counted as "within 50 miles of Seattle" or something like that), because I live between Snohomish and Monroe, Washington. (More specifically, I live basically dead center between Snohomish, Monroe, and Lake Stevens, the three city-towns nearest to me, with me very near the intersections of Highway 2 and Highway 9. Tho the nearest city=-cty to me isn't Deeattle, it'd be Everatt because Everett be closer to me on I-5.)

Kinda surprised you didn't comment on my location since I have the between Shohomish and Monroe listed in there. (Even if you don't know the city of Snohomish Seattle's very near the county of Snohimish being just nearby, I think Seattle's technically King County tho? Could be wrong about that obv. I did get my Washington geography wrong for Kitsap County for instance so my Washington geogrpahy skills are somewhat lacking.)

[mastina]

A lot of this has felt like just waiting for nukes and stuff.

Definitely liking DV town more for this btw. Dunno what about it, but it just is that this post reosnates as town for me in a way that I don't know why it's town it just IS town to me.

PookyTheMagicalBear
gorilla
Prism
Bell
Lady Lambdadelta
Cephrir
samantha97
joqiza

mary
Equinox/The Entity
DeathNote
Save the Dragons
Nexus
DeasVail

Robert M Hunter

Vaxkiller

Toogeloo
Titus

The Church of Skitter (Alisae/Menalque)
T3
Untrod Tripod
deep-city-lights

Et Al (Skitter/SS)

Locktown townreads lean town nullread (Vax is here until tomorrow when I'm less tired and to sort him again when so to speak sober so that I can figure out where to place him properly) lean scum scumread scum.

[mastina]

And the mastina pressure feels appropriate

Honestly, it feels like the pressure comes from largely scum because I legit feel like if town felt I was scum, they wouldn't use a vote to express it.

(Basically, not sure if that makes sense but like. If scum wanted to put pressure on me as an elimination, they would do os with their votes. But it feels like town whould instead of using votes to express thier suspicion instead just nuke me and get the flip that way.)

Obviously not all the votes on me are from scum, but I think scum are among the ones who pressur e me now.

Honestly the pressure on mastina feels more awkward than mastina herself, I called out her entry post but seeing that it was a joke makes it effectively null, her reads are just whatever to me, definitely think if she's town some scum saw her as an easy push (Church and Lady's "votes" look iffy in that regard).

Basically this, essentially. It feels like the push on me is incredibly unnatural.

PookyTheMagicalBear
gorilla
Prism
Bell
Lady Lambdadelta
Cephrir
samantha97
joqiza

mary
Equinox/The Entity
DeathNote
Save the Dragons
Nexus
DeasVail

Robert M Hunter

Vaxkiller

Toogeloo
Titus

The Church of Skitter (Alisae/Menalque)
T3
Untrod Tripod
deep-city-lights/VFP

Et Al (Skitter/SS)

(no change aside from noting the VFP replacement which ahdnt' changed the read there because VFP's entrance is dead null)

[mastina]

I am having trouble getting into this game. I may just lol nuke when nukes are a thing.

Titus might be town here btw. Another tired-induced read maybe but I think that this post is town and it's enough to make me put her higher than she was at least.

PookyTheMagicalBear
gorilla
Prism
Bell
Lady Lambdadelta
Cephrir
samantha97
joqiza

mary
Equinox/The Entity
DeathNote
Save the Dragons
Nexus
DeasVail

Robert M Hunter

Titus
Vaxkiller

Toogeloo

The Church of Skitter (Alisae/Menalque)
T3
Untrod Tripod
deep-city-lights/VFP

Et Al (Skitter/SS)

[mastina]

Did Gorilla just say we should get the lurkers

I mean in general.
Eliminating lurkers is protown even if the lurkers aren't exclusively scum.
Lurkerpool is almost alwayus guong to ave at least SOME of the scum, if not MOST of them. Rarely does it contain ALL of the scum but it usually is in the 50-75% range of the scumteam being lurkers. So you're guaranteed to hit scum by shooting the lurkers.

Added bonus: if the town eliminates the lurkers, then even if the scum try to balance it out by eliminating the active posters, the overall activity will remain close to the same, rather than slowing down. Whereas if the town eliminates more active slots and the scum also eliminate the more active slots the game slows down because wit the active slots dead, the lkurkers as all that's left sont' dtop lurking just because they're the only ones left alive.

Plus in a game like this, with nukes available, when in doubt: nuke it out. As in, when you have doubts, nuke the lurker slot out. We can literally cull the herd of players by nuking the lurkers.

In this game specifically I doubt we get all the scum from nuking lurkers. Scum probably have 1-3 more active players, my guess being loosely around ~2. But that's still...how many scum are in this game? 4? 5? If there's 1-3 active scum players that's 1-4 (depending on number of lurkers and number of scum) scum in the lurkers, probably closer to the higher end of at least two.

So basically. I see the merit bhdin the theory.

[mastina]

I have this one theory that if I nuke enough people, I will eventually kill all the commie creepsters hiding in the pinnacle of modern society that is America.

Definitely liking DeathNote for town btw.

[mastina]

PookyTheMagicalBear
gorilla
Prism
Bell
joqiza
mary
Lady Lambdadelta
Cephrir
samantha97
DeathNote

Equinox/The Entity
Save the Dragons
Nexus
DeasVail

Robert M Hunter
Titus

Vaxkiller

Toogeloo

The Church of Skitter (Alisae/Menalque)
T3
Untrod Tripod/Merlot
deep-city-lights/VFP

Et Al (Skitter/SS)

Feel like this is the most accurate I've got. Locktown townreads lean town null lean scum scumreads scum.

[mastina]

I definitely agree with a lot of the thoughts that you’re putting out there mastina. I don’t know if that is actually alignment-relevant but felt it was important to express that

That happens surprisingly often!

And yet, for some reason, people are always surprised.

oh also i’m not being subtle w identity this game so i’m ydrasse

I'm not 100% sure but I THINK that this is Ydrasse as town.

PookyTheMagicalBear
gorilla
Prism
Bell
joqiza
mary
Lady Lambdadelta
Cephrir
samantha97
DeathNote

Untrod Tripod/Merlot
Equinox/The Entity
Save the Dragons
Nexus
DeasVail

Robert M Hunter
Titus

Vaxkiller

Toogeloo

The Church of Skitter (Alisae/Menalque)
T3
deep-city-lights/VFP

Et Al (Skitter/SS)

[mastina]

i didnt see yours!! i'm in olympia!!!!!!!

The Olympia area is where I'm pretty sure my various nephews (from my rather promiscuous half-brother) are!

I'm also somewhat familiar with the Renton area due to teen square dance clubs that were homed there.

LLD is going to have an aneurysm if all of EM winds up townblocking
Meanwhile I forget that the year is no longer 2016/2017 where I ran the table and all these EM Zoomers who never heard of me have replaced me. It's like I've replaced the old 2011/2013 elitists, I'm the boomer now

You think 2011-2013 EMer makes you old, try being a 2008-2010 EMer. I was on EpicMafia prominently before I was on mafiascum prominently and actually honed my skills there pretty well, and often in weeks had like top-20 placements on the weekly leaderboard without ever going too high (which I was fine with as being the highest gave burden of proficiency and got you policy-nk'd).

YDRA IS TOWN
PRAISE JEEBUS

Pooky can soulread Ydrasse btw so Ydrasse is locktown. I was already thinking town but if Pooky says Ydrasse is town, then Ydrasse is town.

i think dcl left all their games so i don't find their replacement ai.

This is not knowledge I had; the knowledge I had is that dcl confirmed but never posted in this game per the mod which looked suspect. If dcl didn't leave all their games, but left this one, that would in fact be suspicious, indicating a reason to not want to be in this game. Leaving all games does indeed make it not alignment indicative, sure--but I've some reason to suspect the slot from the replacement

anyway

in that this VFP is not the town VFP that I've seen before.

PookyTheMagicalBear
gorilla
Prism
Bell
Untrod Tripod/Merlot
joqiza
mary
Lady Lambdadelta
Cephrir
samantha97
DeathNote

Equinox/The Entity
Save the Dragons
Nexus
DeasVail

Robert M Hunter
Titus

Vaxkiller

Toogeloo

The Church of Skitter (Alisae/Menalque)
T3
deep-city-lights/VFP

Et Al (Skitter/SS)

Locktown townread lean town null lean scum scumread scum.