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[Luca Blight]

I wanted to see her reaction + I thought it was scum indicative to have such a stance on someone with so little content

[Luca Blight]

As I’ve said before, I couldn’t care less who we lim out of four or five of these slots. I felt like switching to George because I thought he might have a higher chance of flipping scum based on the gamestate and how he is stalling the day out.

I’ve already answered why I then switched back to Anya. You can accept it or not, up to you

[Luca Blight]

You still haven’t explained why my Anya re-vote was scummy

[Luca Blight]

Try reading the game, I’m not voting Anya and don’t really think she’s scum rn

[Luca Blight]

I don’t expect to be tr. I don’t think I’m having a good game and I’m struggling to stay interested rn

You could do me the courtesy of actually explaining why you sr me tho

[Luca Blight]

if I was scum in this game id b having a field day

Same

[Luca Blight]

Especially if Datisi were Town, I’d be enjoying it so very much

[Luca Blight]

I’m struggling to stay interested rn

hnnnnnnnnnnng

i'm starting to want to sheep wooper for a bit someone kill me

pedit: ...

What sucks the most is that you’ll probably eat the NK and I won’t be able to sheep you tomorrow

[Luca Blight]

I wanted to see her reaction + I thought it was scum indicative to have such a stance on someone with so little content

what did you get out of her reaction

Generally +Town

I might explain why when things calm down a bit.

[Luca Blight]

Wooper, any reason you’ve suddenly burst into life after being low-key for most of the day?

[Luca Blight]

I’m struggling to stay interested rn

hnnnnnnnnnnng

i'm starting to want to sheep wooper for a bit someone kill me

pedit: ...

What sucks the most is that you’ll probably eat the NK and I won’t be able to sheep you tomorrow

just convince your scumbuddies to shoot someone other than me duh

Unfortunately I’m Town this game.

I’ll just have to use a hyper potion on you instead

[Luca Blight]

Was that the hammer?

[Luca Blight]

for someone obsessed with solving this game via power roles, you sure don't give potential power roles a chance to claim :roll:

ive mad emu opinion about both voting longest wagon and claims clear

You didn’t give him a

chance

to claim

How does that tie-in to your philosophy?

[Luca Blight]

i mean why are you guys surprised? literally we've been talking about these two compulsive hammerers all day and skirting around them

he does it with little deadline left where a claim would do... what exactly? from a literal lurker?

That would depend on what he claimed, obviously

[Luca Blight]

I’m not scum so can’t help you out there Datisi, sorry

Sadly I think you’ll get your wish anyway

[Luca Blight]

You’ve given scum a great chance to frame me for your murder though so wp

[Luca Blight]

I can only hope you have a guardian angel looking over you tonight

[Luca Blight]

Datisi, what are your final thoughts?

[Luca Blight]

I think my vote onto George is what swung it tbh

[Luca Blight]

And now Anya wants me dead

That’s the thanks I get

[Luca Blight]

You’re at least 50% wrong

[Luca Blight]

Anya’s reaction to being near death was what made me reconsider, idk about anyone else

[Luca Blight]

I’m probably gonna just lurk the rest of this game out

If you can’t beat them, join them

[Luca Blight]

Scum in Icon, gypyx, Not_Mafia, Alice

I still maintain that my townbloc is pure

[Luca Blight]

Datisi why you gotta obvtown like that when you’re the doc :/

[Luca Blight]

I could see George and gypyx being partners actually

I could see George and gypyx being partners actually

Because Gypyx is being kind awkward about George?

Also based on George’s post where he voted gypyx. It felt a bit off, and gypyx’s response seemed a bit strange as well like they were distancing but treating each other with kid gloves. George’s vote wasn’t particularly threatening as no-one else was voting gypyx and no-one is likely to sheep George.

Gypyx then limps onto this George wagon without conviction. It seems like possible half-hearted bussing to me

VOTE: gypyx

I’ll stick my vote here for now

I also noted that gypyx was online dying twilight but didn’t post

[Luca Blight]

During*

[Luca Blight]

George, Icon, gypyx would be my guess for the team rn

[Luca Blight]

ico can be scum with georhe but probably isn't scum with Anya
I'd be quite surprised if datisi and Luca are scum together and I independently kinda think datisi is weakly more likely to be town

yep solid read

i'm helping derail anya flip in order to get some bus driving credit on gorge

hmmm

what about this post

it’s just scum wifom?

Maybe that could point to Wooper being the NK if Icon is scum

but if Datisi was vigged then wtf

[Luca Blight]

Also Anya was voting Wooper at the time of the hammer

Not sure if there’s any more mistakes in the VC

[Luca Blight]

Do you have any other thoughts, Alice?

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Alice, thoughts on Icon?

[Luca Blight]

Yeah I would like to know what are possibilities for 2nd kill as I don't know all possible roles.

It’s pretty much guaranteed to be a town vig. Sk’s aren’t allowed in mini normals these days thankfully

[Luca Blight]

Unless there a PGO

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The question isn’t why would you bus George there, the question is why wouldn’t you?

I doubt anyone would take much of a stand to protect their partner when they’re not even playing the game and are only a goon

In terms of the NK, Datisi was the obvious choice, and Datisi wasn’t townreading Icon at all so I don’t see why Icon couldn’t have made that kill

[Luca Blight]

And whoever the other partner is would have a say in the NK as well

[Luca Blight]

scum!me kills wooper because??

Because he thought you and George were partners?

[Luca Blight]

scum!me kills wooper because??

Because he thought you and George were partners?

so

i help town kill my partner
and then i kill the town who already connected me to scum!george

that is your theory?

It’s a possible theory

I think datisi was the NK but you asked why you’d kill Wooper and I gave you an answer

Obviously you can WIFOM out of any answer I give

[Luca Blight]

Also Wooper’s Icon/George theory was made after you voted George obviously, so it’s not like you saw that and THEN chose to bus

[Luca Blight]

In terms of the NK, Datisi was the obvious choice, and Datisi wasn’t townreading Icon at all so I don’t see why Icon couldn’t have made that kill

this is false
reading back thru datisi iso, i think he would be near locktown at this point after scum flip

I agree; I had Datisi as locktown even before the scum flip

how does that make what I said false?

[Luca Blight]

Icon if you were scum who would you have killed?

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: anya

also i pulled an allnighter and that's been forever and i'm at work and if i'm slow to respond whatever

Interesting how Icon chose the Anya wagon over the George wagon here, which made the VC look like this:

Vote Count 1.12

Anya

(4) -> Datisi, Luca Blight, VP Baltar, Iconeum [E-3]

GeorgeBailey

(3) -> Wooper, Gypyx, NorwegianboyEE

AliceK

(2) -> innocentvillager, geraintm

Gypyx

(1) -> GeorgeBailey

Iconeum

(1) -> Anya

Not_Mafia

(1) -> Not_Mafia

innocentvillager

(1) -> AliceK

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate

Day ends in (expired on 2021-04-24 18:32:00)

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: GB

anya's recent posting is someting she can hopefully keep up
GB is just blatantly stalling at this point, doing jack shit. If this is town, then it's not a bad yeet anyway

If I had time i'd probably push Luca here while hiding behind wooper, but weekend vla is soonish and deadline etc

I'll take that fight tomorrow if there's a chance

Icon makes this vote after both Wooper and I have stated a TR on Anya, meaning he probably realizes it’s bus or bust at this point

Also Icon, what did you mean by

‘I’d probably push Luca here while hiding behind Wooper

’?

[Luca Blight]

If I had time i'd probably push Luca here while hiding behind wooper, but weekend vla is soonish and deadline etc

I'll take that fight tomorrow if there's a chance

This almost seems like something that was meant for the scum pt

it certainly doesn't seem like a townie mindset?

[Luca Blight]

also apparently the only way to get gera to play the game is to push his SR's or something

VOTE: george

The way this vote was worded pinged me as s/s at the time. It's almost like a vote that is intentionally bad to make people doubt the wagon

Anyway, I definitely want to lim in Icon/gypyx today I feel

[Luca Blight]

I'm close to 100% sure that Norwee is town here.

[Luca Blight]

Baltar and IV are very likely town

I'm actually a little less sure of geraint than I was before

[Luca Blight]

So far all Icon has done today is say why he's not scum

I'd like to see some actual reads/thoughts soon

[Luca Blight]

Baltar and IV are very likely town

I'm actually a little less sure of geraint than I was before

what, even though a doctor died overnight (effectivly) confirming my claim you doubt me?

How does that confirm your claim?

[Luca Blight]

i could get behind a luca vote too

?

[Luca Blight]

Not_Mafia as vig was never likely to end well

[Luca Blight]

Iv why do you suspect me rn?

[Luca Blight]

It’s not like that’s all I’ve done tho

I feel like you’re being a bit lazy in how you’re reading me here tbh

[Luca Blight]

Like I’ve given my thoughts today, is there anything you agree/disagree with?

[Luca Blight]

Icon, do you scumread me purely because I SR you?

[Luca Blight]

Do you realize I’m not even voting you rn?

[Luca Blight]

Most of your ‘refuting’ has just been wifoming which doesn’t exactly do much for me

[Luca Blight]

I suggest just ignoring the points made against you and focus on solving, as spamming ‘I wouldn’t do that as scum’ isn’t helping anyone if you’re Town

I’m voting gypyx atm, please review him and see if we can come to some agreement here

[Luca Blight]

How likely do you think it is that someone bussed George, Icon?

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I won't be voting gypyx today.

After what happened D1, this makes me feel more optimistic about my gypyx vote

[Luca Blight]

Because currently the thinking must be that Scum let George die and another scum made themselves this obvious right from the start of the game.
i don't buy that at all.

I don't get what's so 'obvious' about it? It really depends on what he ends up claiming. He could easily be scum who is crumbing their actual PR for all I know It's not a bad entrance for scum as it gives people pause in pushing him in case he's a PR (that's one of the reasons I didn't push him harder D1)

I don't see how it's related to the George lim since it was made right at the start of the game; scum probably had no intention of bussing George until it became apparent he wasn't able to produce content, and if gypyx is scum as well then it was a very half-hearted bus indeed.

[Luca Blight]

If I had time i'd probably push Luca here while hiding behind wooper, but weekend vla is soonish and deadline etc

I'll take that fight tomorrow if there's a chance

This almost seems like something that was meant for the scum pt

it certainly doesn't seem like a townie mindset?

hey uh, i just realized but that's kinda taking stuff out of it's context there?

Not really?

I literally didn't understand wtf he was talking about there, I only cut out the other stuff as I wasn't referencing that

[Luca Blight]

lol you're really reaching for something to shade me with there, gypyx

What is scummy about my PoE exactly?

[Luca Blight]

I sad 'almost' because I knew it wasn't really for the scum pt, but I couldn't see how it made sense from a town perspective

I have more to say about that post which I'm getting to shortly.

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said*

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: GB

anya's recent posting is someting she can hopefully keep up
GB is just blatantly stalling at this point, doing jack shit. If this is town, then it's not a bad yeet anyway

If I had time i'd probably push Luca here while hiding behind wooper, but weekend vla is soonish and deadline etc

I'll take that fight tomorrow if there's a chance

I still think this post is weird, even following Icon's explanation below:

VOTE: GB

anya's recent posting is someting she can hopefully keep up
GB is just blatantly stalling at this point, doing jack shit. If this is town, then it's not a bad yeet anyway

If I had time i'd probably push Luca here while hiding behind wooper, but weekend vla is soonish and deadline etc

I'll take that fight tomorrow if there's a chance

Icon makes this vote after both Wooper and I have stated a TR on Anya, meaning he probably realizes it’s bus or bust at this point

Also Icon, what did you mean by

‘I’d probably push Luca here while hiding behind Wooper

’?

there were options for scum!me to *do things* actively and steer away from a bus
could do myself, could hide behind others who wanted to *do things* like Wooper for instance

So why was Icon randomly talking about what he would do as scum in 1748?

In context this seems even more weird

[Luca Blight]

Norwegian, can you give me a sanity-check on the above?

It seems weird as fuck to me but maybe I'm missing something here

[Luca Blight]

gypyx as you're online I'd appreciate your opinion as well

[Luca Blight]

One more point I want to add:

scum!Icon would have very good reason to kill town!Datisi given Icon just today beat Datisi as scum, meaning Datisi would be a lot warier of Icon and less trusting given that wound is so fresh

[Luca Blight]

idk tbh, and i don't wanna think about that right now

it doesn't make sense either way

It makes absolutely no sense from a town perspective

From a scum perspective, could it be a perspective slip or he's trying to preemptively defend himself?

Idk but I don't see how that comes from Town

[Luca Blight]

Datisi, what are your final thoughts?

jesus why is this so ominous

also i have already given my reads, and frankly i don't have too much faith in them anyway so

surely this was a coincidence, right luca?

What do you mean?

[Luca Blight]

I love how Icon dives deep to try and find dirt on me as he's unable to explain the mess that is 1748 lol

[Luca Blight]

Ok let's do this

VOTE: Icon

[Luca Blight]

One more point I want to add:

scum!Icon would have very good reason to kill town!Datisi given Icon just today beat Datisi as scum, meaning Datisi would be a lot warier of Icon and less trusting given that wound is so fresh

take your shade and shove it

you've done nothing but try to scumspew me all day

datisi literally said he would have a solid townread on me after seeing GB flip scum so trying to paint that i benefit from a datisi kill is just either a terrible take or scum shading me

Yeah, because Datisi would never be paranoid of you after a game in which he hard!TR you and lost to scum!you

[Luca Blight]

you've literally JUST seen scum me in action

you've literally JUST seen how i try to take control of a town as scum

you've literally JUST seen how i do NOT kill datisi until late in the game as scum

and you try to sell this is my scumgame????????

no way ur this dense as town

So because you didn't kill Datisi early on there that means you'd act the exact same way here? And the same way wrt general play when there are multiple players from the same game here?

Give over

[Luca Blight]

I love how Icon dives deep to try and find dirt on me as he's unable to explain the mess that is 1748 lol

ofcourse it's a mess

the entire EoD was a mess

what's scummy about it?

It makes no sense coming from town

Explain why you'd randomly talk about what you'd be doing as scum in the post where you voted GB?

[Luca Blight]

i don't care luca

with NM as vig i'm actually gonna rest easy that if you get my yeet through, ur following me straight to the dead pt lol

If you flip green I'll take the vig shot no problems

[Luca Blight]

Icon/gypyx scum team, I'm calling it now

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Icon, given you think you'd be playing the exact same as your previous scum game, what happened D1 when I suspected you last game?

You called me confirmed scum lol

[Luca Blight]

Datisi, what are your final thoughts?

jesus why is this so ominous

also i have already given my reads, and frankly i don't have too much faith in them anyway so

surely this was a coincidence, right luca?

What do you mean?

Like what even was this shade? He doesn't even follow up on it as he knows it's nonsense lol

He just needs something to throw at me as a prelude to his vote

[Luca Blight]

My argument against you isn't even that Datisi died tho as I believe everyone would have most likely killed Datisi as he was obvtown

I'm countering your claim that you never would have killed Datisi which I believe is wrong and dishonest on many levels

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: GB

anya's recent posting is someting she can hopefully keep up
GB is just blatantly stalling at this point, doing jack shit. If this is town, then it's not a bad yeet anyway

If I had time i'd probably push Luca here while hiding behind wooper, but weekend vla is soonish and deadline etc

I'll take that fight tomorrow if there's a chance

The first two lines of this are ok; you're explaning your vote on george and saying something positive about Anya

but then you say that you would hide behind wooper and push me if you had time? and that you'd take the fight against me tomorrow if there's a chance? I just want to understand where those comments came from, as it makes

zero

sense to me if you're town

btw a question before I forget: Why did you vote Anya instead of George in 1102?

[Luca Blight]

No, but I don’t think Datisi particularly tr anyone apart from maybe geraint?

Datisi seemed to suggest that a GB scum flip would mean Icon is town, which Wooper refuted. Either way I think scum!icon makes that kill regardless given he’s just fooled Datisi in another game and Datisi would be really paranoid of being fooled again

plus the fact Datisi was just the obvious kill in general

[Luca Blight]

And Icon bussed his partners in that game btw so Datisi would 100% have reconsidered on Icon

[Luca Blight]

i also don't think ico doubles down on breaking his meta of not bussing when he did that litterally last scumgame

Are you just itching for any reason not to Sr Icon?

It’s not like he wanted to bus - he was on the Anya wagon until me, Wooper and IV were all against it, and then he suddenly agreed that Anya was town and decided to vote George. If he’s scum then it was a forced move rather than it being voluntary on his part

[Luca Blight]

@baltar alright, you got a point there, although a relatively-planned bus probably doesn't look that "improvised"? or at least it's less likely

@luca still, that's missing the point, ico has shown itself to be able to bus, he's obviously gonna be scrutinized on that this game, even if the context is different

You’re making a ridiculous and groundless assumption imo

So if Icon were scum with George how would you have expected him to handle the situation, then?

[Luca Blight]

Not to mention the informed role

That’s a good point actually and supports my theory that gypyx was probably crumbing his scum pr role

[Luca Blight]

I appreciate Baltar filling the void left by Datisi as the voice of reason

[Luca Blight]

Vote Count 1.9

Iconeum

(5) -> Datisi, NorwegianboyEE, VP Baltar, Anya, Wooper [E-2]

AliceK

(3) -> innocentvillager, Iconeum, geraintm

innocentvillager

(2) -> Gypyx, AliceK

GeorgeBailey

(1) -> Luca Blight

Gypyx

(1) -> GeorgeBailey

Not_Mafia

(1) -> Not_Mafia

Day ends in (expired on 2021-04-24 18:32:00)

This is a townie wagon on Icon

[Luca Blight]

also apparently the only way to get gera to play the game is to push his SR's or something

VOTE: george

Interesting to note that this vote came while geraint was voting Icon, and was maintained even while geraint protested the George lim which implies the reasoning wasn’t very sincere

Sacrificing the inactive buddy (and goon) in order to save his more active partner (and pr)?

[Luca Blight]

The scum benefit to such a crumb is

1) no-one wants to lim you D1 in case you’re a pr

2) you can use it to explain away just about any claim that is convenient in the moment

If gypyx is scum then he’s hardly a power wolf, and so such a gimmick might prove useful to him to at least help him get through the first day

If he’s Town then he might do it to bait the NK I guess

[Luca Blight]

I’m struggling to stay interested rn

hnnnnnnnnnnng

i'm starting to want to sheep wooper for a bit someone kill me

pedit: ...

What sucks the most is that you’ll probably eat the NK and I won’t be able to sheep you tomorrow

just convince your scumbuddies to shoot someone other than me duh

Unfortunately I’m Town this game.

I’ll just have to use a hyper potion on you instead

I can only hope you have a guardian angel looking over you tonight

Fwiw I was trying to bait the NK/deter a Datisi kill here by crumbing protective with Datisi as my target, but I guess it didn’t work out too well lol

[Luca Blight]

Well I explained above the benefits of such a crumb as scum

plus the fact I scumread gypyx both based on play and PoE and think he makes a lot of sense as your partner

[Luca Blight]

Not to mention the informed role

That’s a good point actually and supports my theory that gypyx was probably crumbing his scum pr role

i have no idea how you are coming to your conclusions this game

i literally cannot grasp it

This is a bit revisionist btw given you tr me and agreed with most of what I said up until I started suspecting you

[Luca Blight]

Scum!icon certainly did it last game

but my point was you’re only saying that because I’m pushing you, as before then you tr me and agreed with most of what I said

[Luca Blight]

In before/i wouldn’t do the same thing as scum twice in a row

[Luca Blight]

@mods: a VC would be appreciated

[Luca Blight]

sorry for being mostly absent today.

im not voting for gypyx anytime today. they;ll be found out later if it is fake.

What?

Do you realize gypyx claimed vt?

[Luca Blight]

I could say the same about me being in your PoE, IV

[Luca Blight]

I think if he’s scum then he designed a crumb that could work at least for VT + his scum pr role

[Luca Blight]

Or course he might have just planned to claim vt from the beginning as either alignment; who knows

I think he’s scum independent from that anyway

[Luca Blight]

I actually have no idea about any of the things he mentioned in his crumb explanation so I don’t know how easily it could be twisted to fit different roles

[Luca Blight]

I’ve just registered how weird gypyx’s iv read is

like he’s very noncommittal and on the fence generally, but has a decently strong SR on IV based on ??? exactly?

[Luca Blight]

I’m struggling to see beyond a gypyx/Icon team right now. It would kind of explain why it seems like Icon has given up here as that team is never winning this game. I’m a little paranoid of geraint as his posts are increasingly weird but I’m still thinking he’s more likely town

About to sleep, I’ll look a bit closer at IV tomorrow

[Luca Blight]

Lol it is just you and I playing this game at this point. Luca, if you are scum, I will be very annoyed.

Likewise, although I feel pretty confident you’re Town now

[Luca Blight]

I’m getting paranoid at how much protection gypyx is getting here

[Luca Blight]

Unless Icon suddenly starts townspewing I think this is the best lim for today, though

[Luca Blight]

Btw I did give towncred to gypyx for it @IV, that’s the reason I didn’t push him more D1 despite really disliking his general play

Geraint has also given him towncred and continues to do so

[Luca Blight]

and Icon townreads gypyx because ???

[Luca Blight]

I’m currently working from home while looking after my four year old during lockdown, I have very little spare time. I’m just able to phone post every now and then when I have a few minutes

[Luca Blight]

Icon you have been different this game in that you’ve been less involved and have had lower energy, but fmpov that could easily be as a result of drawing scum twice in a row - it can bum you out. If your partners are George and gypyx as I suspect, then you probably feel even more demotivated as you probably don’t feel as though you can win. You’re also playing with multiple players from the previous game which probably makes you feel reluctant to play in a similar fashion to that game

[Luca Blight]

It’s been so long since I played with Town!icon that I’m not comfortable reading you based on meta. I feel as though your play has been seriously lacking in a way that I feel is scum indicative, and your switch to george seems a likely bus to me

[Luca Blight]

Icon maybe you can try and put your gypyx tr into words. I know you said it’s a gut read, but surely there’s something you can point to that leads you to Tr him? Because this is a big problem for me rn

Fypov consider that gypyx is coasting here knowing that an icon green flip reflects well on him tomorrow

[Luca Blight]

Well if it’s s/s then he’s basically forced to side with you here if he wants any chance of winning

I do think WK’ing is possible which is what’s concerning me here

Scum!gypyx is coasting and has been since the start. He’s got a pretty random Sr on IV but isn’t pushing it or giving an updated explanation for it?

He’s being defended by multiple slots as well for weird reasons

[Luca Blight]

Gypyx, since you’re here can you give an updated explanation on why we should lim IV

[Luca Blight]

Well I do SR you independently so yeah, that’s kind of how I feel rn @gyp

[Luca Blight]

Icon, you should be asking why does Town!gypyx townread you here

[Luca Blight]

Gypyx has been very much on the sidelines, Icon

UNVOTE:

For now while I mull things over

[Luca Blight]

Icon, you should be asking why does Town!gypyx townread you here

this has me blinking my eyes

You’ve admitted you’ve not done much

Why does gypyx townread you?

[Luca Blight]

gypyx what are your full reads on Ico and Alice

Ico maybe being too omgus-y here, but i think otherwise his actions comes from someone doing bad stuff in good faith

based on what?

Which actions are you referring to?

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I’ve just registered how weird gypyx’s iv read is

like he’s very noncommittal and on the fence generally, but has a decently strong SR on IV based on ??? exactly?

iv is litterally the read i've gave the most explainations for btw

That’s not saying much tbh

Please sum up why you Sr Iv

[Luca Blight]

gypyx what are your full reads on Ico and Alice

Ico maybe being too omgus-y here, but i think otherwise his actions comes from someone doing bad stuff in good faith

based on what?

Which actions are you referring to?

"advocating" for quickhammers

his day 2 play

His D2 play has been full of omgus which you admit could be scum indicative?

Which actions specifically are you talking about? So I know you’re not just talking out of your ass here

[Luca Blight]

You said ‘he is maybe too Omgus-y here’, what did you mean by that then?

And when you have time can you quote the stuff Icon said that you liked

[Luca Blight]

Gypyx can you at least try to give any thoughts on Alice i'm begging you here

look i litterally have no clue what alice is doing and i don't wanna bullshit a read out of my ass

also luca i'll stop replying to what you're asking right now because i don't even think that you really care

What makes you think that?

I want to know about why you specifically Sr IV and Tr Icon. How am I supposed to sort you correctly if I don’t understand your major stances?

[Luca Blight]

I want an updated summary of your Iv Sr, an iso check will not provide this. Why are you so unwilling to explain your Sr?

If you’ve already talked about the specific posts you liked of icon’s D2 then please quote it for me

[Luca Blight]

luca how do you feel about that alice progression on my slot that i pointed out?

I don’t like it, and Alice is one of the slots in my PoE currently

[Luca Blight]

I want an updated summary of your Iv Sr, an iso check will not provide this. Why are you so unwilling to explain your Sr?

because there isn't much new to it recently my guy

Just a sentence or two would suffice my guy

It would take less time than arguing back and forth about this

[Luca Blight]

So far all Icon has done today is say why he's not scum

I'd like to see some actual reads/thoughts soon

yeah gee i wonder how that's possible

maybe if you didn't spend every single post you make pushing me around i wouldn't feel the need to keep defending myself?

who knows really

like that one

I don’t see how that’s really AI

How do you think scum icon would have responded? Or why is that indicative of Town icon

[Luca Blight]

But scum!icon was super defensive in the scum game he just won?

[Luca Blight]

I also disagree that post shows icon is aware that being defensive is a bad look

He only made that post after already being called out for being defensive rather than providing content

plus nothing in that posts suggests he thinks it’s a particularly bad thing to do as scum?

[Luca Blight]

I'm not SR'ing you for that though, Icon. It's mainly for lack of input + your George vote + your omgus against me

As I said I don't feel comfortable using meta as a yardstick for reading you as it's been a long time since I played with town!Icon

[Luca Blight]

in what world is omgus scum!indicative

ever

Everything depends on context

I feel as though it's scummy here because it's literally the only reason you SR me - you TR me before that, and now you seem convinced I'm scum just because I suspect you?

[Luca Blight]

Like you think Alice is scummy for her progression on you (which as I said I agree with)

so why can't you understand that I find your progression on me scummy?

[Luca Blight]

not because you suspect me

the way you handled the push on me, how you went to one point, see me reply, ignore response, move to next point and repeat

but yeah, there was definitely some omgus

because every reply was '

I wouldn't do that as scum

' or '

why does scum Ico do that?

'

It's not like you gave me compelling reasons to reconsider

[Luca Blight]

I replied to a number of them, I didn't ignore them all

[Luca Blight]

i haven't pushed alice - they just went from hard townreading me to seeing gamestate turn on me and jumping aboard

you pushed me, and during the interaction i started scumreading you

surely you see the huge difference here??

also you pushed me waaayyyy before i voted you and all of this is again giving me bad vibes about you

The difference I see is that Alice's behavior is a lot more indicative of scum than mine?

I can understand why you might be suspicious of someone pushing your wagon, but the level of confidence you had (saying lim me then vig Luca etc) was something that made sense from a mere OMGUS read when you had previously hard TR me

I guess I could understand it being a heat of the moment thing, and had you reconsidered a bit after calming down I might have been inclined to TR that, but you didn't

[Luca Blight]

made no sense*

[Luca Blight]

Icon, thoughts on gypyx's scumread on IV?

[Luca Blight]

sorry to hear that :(

is two generally a lot of townreads for you at this point in the game? were you happy to get two townreads? sad you only had two townreads?

mmmmm don't like this post

VOTE: innocentvillager

u know im gonna ask u why ;)

the tone felt overall pretty forced, plus it's really not the kinda questions i'm expecting to come from a solving who's scum / town mindset, just filler stuff yousee?

we should also probably sheep Datisi btw bc he died.

@Datisi please channel your reads energy through to the main thread, maybe we'll be able to pick up on something.

this feels like the most "scum banking on a dead town's wrong reads" ngl

VOTE: innocentvillager

This seems to be the long and short of it

I've asked him time and again for a summary of why he sr's IV but it hasn't been forthcoming

[Luca Blight]

I've been trying to pressure him to giving one and he ended up saying he won't do it because he doesn't believe I'm actually interested in it lol

[Luca Blight]

I've actually had some thoughts on IV myself but want to wait and see what gypyx has to say first

[Luca Blight]

i *will* do it luca

just that i'm in online class rn

Ok, fair enough

[Luca Blight]

I’m starting to think it might be something like gypyx/IV

[Luca Blight]

Gypyx’s Sr on Iv strikes me as really weird, and yet Iv is actively defending him?

It’s a strange dynamic. It’s likes gypyx is voting his buddy because he probably doesn’t get limmed today, and it allows Iv to hard defend gypyx without it being so obvious that they’re buddies if one of them flips later down the line?

[Luca Blight]

And it allows gypyx to take a hard stance without needing to make any enemies amongst the town

[Luca Blight]

why as scum wouldn't i just let town!anya die it makes ZERO sense to me

im not great at scum but im not a fucking idiot

So people would think ‘if IV were scum he’d have let Anya die’

And btw I don’t know for sure that Anya is actually Town?

[Luca Blight]

No need to replace out, just take a deep breath

I’m still considering things anyway

[Luca Blight]

GeorgeBailey as Mafia goon is like a sacrificial goat

You’d have to bus him at some point, and sooner the better for the benefit of associatives

[Luca Blight]

He was here enough to argue about whether or not he should explain his read on you

It would have been quicker just to write a sentence or two in summary of the read

[Luca Blight]

Given IV is by far gypyx’s biggest SR, it’s strange how he has zero interest in actually promoting his lim

[Luca Blight]

And given how upset IV is at being scumread generally, it’s strange how he’s letting this slide from gypyx

[Luca Blight]

i don't really think there's a strong correlation between alignment and someone's read on me necessarily, not sure why you're implying it's weird i don't think so

You seem to think you’re obvtown and yet you’re and away gypyx’s biggest Sr

How is this not a problem for you? Aren’t you suspicious at all? Do you even know why he sr’s you?

[Luca Blight]

ive said multiple times i think gypyx is townlean for me

I know

[Luca Blight]

Well basically I think your stances on each other are weird as fuck and it leads to believe there is at least one scum in you and gypyx, and quite possibly you’re both scum

[Luca Blight]

Well it’s true in this game when he makes like one post every two rl days

[Luca Blight]

Weird can equal scummy if it makes no sense from a town perspective, and that’s how I feel wrt to your and gypyx’s stances towards each other. I’m about to sleep so I’ll explain deeper tomorrow probably

Your and Anya’s interactions didn’t ping me to anything like the same extent? I’ll have to look back again tomorrow though

[Luca Blight]

Btw I did briefly explain why it’s scummy here:

Gypyx’s Sr on Iv strikes me as really weird, and yet Iv is actively defending him?

It’s a strange dynamic. It’s likes gypyx is voting his buddy because he probably doesn’t get limmed today, and it allows Iv to hard defend gypyx without it being so obvious that they’re buddies if one of them flips later down the line?

And it allows gypyx to take a hard stance without needing to make any enemies amongst the town

[Luca Blight]

UNVOTE: GeorgeBailey

if he's not hammered lets kill VOTE: Iconeum or smthng

Btw what prompted this?

[Luca Blight]

I’m not sure if you’ve noticed but I Sr gypyx for plenty of other reasons as well

As for you, it’s possible you’re wk’ing again? Creating false associations? Idk, all I know is it makes little sense to me if you’re Town

[Luca Blight]

It’s like in the game I just played, I said D1 I was 99% sure there was at least one scum in Icon/Datisi as I could sense some major pocketing/manipulation being done on some level, but couldn’t put my finger on exactly what it was. I later hard townread Datisi and got NK, and Icon ended up winning as scum

[Luca Blight]

I don’t get why I’m still low in your reads, IV

[Luca Blight]

Can you explain your read progression on me please

[Luca Blight]

Also why do you no longer Tr gypyx

[Luca Blight]

@luca any thoughts on gypyx's suspicion of me?

i don't really think it spews him as either alignment"

I kind of agree. I guess I feel a little better for his explanation, but the whole thing still doesn't sit great with me

[Luca Blight]

I'm considering all of these players town for now:

Not_Mafia, Norwee, Baltar
geraint

That leaves:

Gypyx
Iconeum
innocentvillager
Anya
AliceK

Right now I'm really not sure who I want yeeted out of this lot. I have a little time now so I'll go through the suspects and see if anything jumps out

[Luca Blight]

also apparently the only way to get gera to play the game is to push his SR's or something

VOTE: george

I think I was meaning to ask this earlier but forgot:

gypyx, why did you maintain your vote on George even when geraint strongly opposed the George wagon, when your very reason for being on the wagon was basically to sheep geraint?

[Luca Blight]

hey um, this probably sounds terrible, but what's going on right now? sueling wagons between Anya / George?

I just realized this was gypyx's last post of D1

and Gypyx was definitely online during twilight.

[Luca Blight]

The scum motivation there is that he's on his partner's wagon so doesn't want to defend him/hop wagons and lose that potential towncred, but at the same time is hoping town screws up and lims Anya

Obviously it could be that all three of Anya/George/gypyx are scum but I'll put that possibility aside until later

[Luca Blight]

Does anyone apart from gypyx know anything about town of salem?

Is it reasonable that a ToS crumb would point to him being a VT, or could it point towards a number of different roles?

[Luca Blight]

Why do you think it's unlikely? because it struck me as likely scum theatre even before george's flip

[Luca Blight]

I've just finished skimming gypyx's ISO. His opening is slightly +town, but apart from that I haven't found any of his content townie, and there's a lot of potential scum behavior in there like his lurking during EoD1, his interactions with george, his continued SR on IV which hasn't really developed and is founded on some really weak stuff imo

[Luca Blight]

I think Anya is the least interesting yeet out of the candidates on offer. I think she's slightly more likely town than not, but that's little more than a gut read tbh

[Luca Blight]

The reason could be that George needs to vote someone, and voting your partner is a good way to look busy without making enemies amongst the town

plus it discourages people from voting gypyx, because who is going to want to sheep george?

and it gives insurance in case either one of them flips

[Luca Blight]

The fact george wasn't into the game is even more reason he'd want to distance as he'd know he wouldn't last long

[Luca Blight]

In Anya/George I think George is Mafia. Anya's initial posts feel like are coming from Town.

Why no george vote here?

[Luca Blight]

As I said earlier, I don't mind that at all given you said something similar about george D1

I'm still considering who I want to vote

[Luca Blight]

Thoughts on Alice, geraint?

[Luca Blight]

if I’m scum Anya is probably more likely to be town lol this is a classic scum!innocentvillager WK situation.

It's funny how IV said this and yet is now like '

why would I save Anya as scum'

[Luca Blight]

where are anyas scum buddies?

IV, you were pushing this argument D1 so I have a question for you

Who is Icon's partner here? You don't seem to think it's gypyx, so who is it, and why aren't you asking this same question now?

[Luca Blight]

fine VOTE: GeorgeBailey

This vote was actually forced at this point

because Baltar and Datisi were calling IV out for not committing to a viable wagon. IV was already voting Not_Mafia which no-one else was really interested in and he couldn't justify going back on Anya rather than George after everything he had said

[Luca Blight]

I need to review Icon again but I like my vote here for now

VOTE: InnocentVillager

[Luca Blight]

i could get behind a luca vote too

I also found this a weird thing to say at the time, given I was pushing IV's biggest SR (Icon) and later IV admitted he didn't dislike or disagree with anything I said, but felt I hadn't obvtowned enough. Why does that justify a vote on me rather than on someone you genuinely SR?

I just feel as though IV has been a bit slimy around me in general this game

[Luca Blight]

How many votes on Icon now?

[Luca Blight]

I'm short of time atm but just curious about this:

honestly a lot of it just comes down to "if Luca isn't just completely obvtown he could be scum".

As you said you haven't played with Town!me before, so where does this view come from?

[Luca Blight]

where are anyas scum buddies?

IV, you were pushing this argument D1 so I have a question for you

Who is Icon's partner here? You don't seem to think it's gypyx, so who is it, and why aren't you asking this same question now?

why is having a full solve important to you?

It's not really?

I was pulling IV up on the fact he cared about associations wrt Anya D1 but hadn't considered it at all wrt Icon D2

[Luca Blight]

I've literally just come online give me a sec

[Luca Blight]

if I’m scum Anya is probably more likely to be town lol this is a classic scum!innocentvillager WK situation.

It's funny how IV said this and yet is now like '

why would I save Anya as scum'

okay this was like way before i actually started WKing her DO NOT take this out of context for yourself or others. this was after i made like one throwaway post or something about how i kinda believed her claim. I didn't know i was going to start WKing her until I started thinking about it and actually doing it.

but like

you admit as scum you would be quite likely to WK Anya, so why do you then make a surprised Pikachu face when people suspect you for possibly WK'ing Anya, as if it's the most unreasonable thing in the world to think?

[Luca Blight]

because we know GeorgeBailey, the second highest wagon at the time and probably the compromise to Anya, is SCUM now

if they're both town it's not a bad spot for scum!me to whiteknight

It looked for a long time that the Anya lim would just go through regardless as there wasn't much of a push elsewhere. Like you defended Anya, but didn't push anywhere else until you were pretty much forced to, and your first choice happened to be Not_Mafia rather than George even though George had been objectively scummy imo

I believe Baltar said earlier it would be a risky but potentially rewarding play as scum and I kind of agree. When I was scum against Datisi I pushed my inactive partner's wagon D1 and WK'd the inactive townie who was a competing wagon. In the end the townie happened to be limmed and this really helped me win the game as scum as in ELO Datisi was like 'why would Luca bus his partner so unnecessarily D1'.

[Luca Blight]

where are anyas scum buddies?

IV, you were pushing this argument D1 so I have a question for you

Who is Icon's partner here? You don't seem to think it's gypyx, so who is it, and why aren't you asking this same question now?

why is having a full solve important to you?

It's not really?

I was pulling IV up on the fact he cared about associations wrt Anya D1 but hadn't considered it at all wrt Icon D2

fair, would've been cool if you made it more obvious

uh, it would have been obvious had you paid attention to what I was replying to

[Luca Blight]

Luca has also complained multiple times that i am not townreading him, lol

he's also not in nearly as much danger of being elimed than me

I wasn't really complaining, I just didn't understand why your read on me wasn't developing, but it makes a little more sense now you've explained it

[Luca Blight]

Luca has also complained multiple times that i am not townreading him, lol

he's also not in nearly as much danger of being elimed than me

I wasn't really complaining, I just didn't understand why your read on me wasn't developing, but it makes a little more sense now you've explained it

Although I *still* feel as though no matter what I do this game you're gonna be like 'Luca hasn't obvtowned enough'

I don't really get why you're holding me to such a standard, particularly when the only game we've played together I had a pretty poor scum game and was yeeted D2.

[Luca Blight]

I thought the way the wagons developed around Anya was slimy and made her unlikely to be scum.

This is news to me?

I thought the only reason you TR Anya was based on her claim. Why did you think the way the wagon developed was slimy? I remember you supporting said wagon before her claim

Apologies if you've already explained this but I don't recall you doing so

[Luca Blight]

Was there a need to hammer while we're still discussing, Norwee :/

[Luca Blight]

You talked about how the Anya wagon got to E-1 while other didn't. Am I missing something here, IV?

Was there anything specifically that seemed slimy about it

[Luca Blight]

Fwiw I'm starting to feel a little better about IV, but I would have liked a little more time to mull things over in any case given we still have a day

[Luca Blight]

I think it has to be either gypyx or geraint

[Luca Blight]

iconeum - mafia 1 shot roleblocker

Erm, he was a strongman, not a roleblocker

I'm wondering if this is a slip of what the other scum PR is, as a scum RB would make sense here

[Luca Blight]

@ Norway.

Like, i know Scum have not played well this game - they've lost 2 players in 2 days - but you think my plan was to out myself day 1 with a role that exactly correctly my partner, hammer partner day 1, then go out of my way to make myself so obviously linked to the other scum day 2.
i've got that right?

that is more believable to you than me just blurting out my town role?

Why do people playing MAfia need to go looking for something 27 times more unlikely than the simpler explanation?

Your hammer was irrelevant as George was a gonner anyway, and it seems suspect in that you had earlier said you'd never vote him

I don't see how you made yourself linked to Icon particularly other than by not bussing him. Not wanting to bus your only other partner D2 is pretty natural.

[Luca Blight]

Both Icon and geraint have white-knighted gypyx this game as well, so maybe that was part of some gameplan

[Luca Blight]

I know you know, but in the moment such mistakes can happen