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I really doubt it is the only reason why you gets eliminated. That is never enough. But that's really good that you want to improve.In post 11, geraintm wrote:hello all.
I'm fed up of always getting eliminated for my normal style of play (which is very "sit back and vote infrequently")
I said in my last game i am going to be different.
So, firstly this is the 8th post so far in the game so far.
And there is a Mafia one time Strongman in this game, i have been informed of this fact.- AliceK
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You can find a scum Day 1 provided that people are not hesitated to eliminate PR. You just can't look at a claim if there is enough evidence from other sources.In post 95, geraintm wrote:i literally don't care what people think now. i hate day ones, i think town trying to come to an educated elimination means scum are less likely to be eliminated than if straws were drawn. i want to move to day 2 when other people will have some information from overnight and we can try and properly find scum
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I am just reading the thread from the first unread posts. Couldn't find enough time to fully catch up, but I will get there.In post 271, Datisi wrote:alice, any reason you're responding to that old gera post instead of anything that's happened since?
Right now I am keeping an eye on Gypyx, innocentvillager and Baltar. I will elaborate on this later, but my impression is that they are just going with a flow without bringing anything new to the table.- AliceK
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What kind of experience? What would you expect them to do as scum in this game?In post 299, Luca Blight wrote:
I have a lot of experience with Datisi and Norwee and they both seem Town so farIn post 292, VP Baltar wrote:Calling town reads quick on folks who might be argumentative and calling IV scum when he's being silly, plus OMGUSing slightly cause I poked him.
Sounds like Luca is scumming it up on the path of least resistance over there.
Scum can be silly too
My opinion on you has nothing to do with Omgus, and is more in line with what Norwegian touched on before - you’re commenting on stuff but not really doing anything with it. Right now you’re assuming motives behind my reads without even bothering to question them- AliceK
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I will stick to that as well. I don't think forcing Geraint to do anything Day 1 leads anywhere, apparently he is Town who refuses to play Day1. It's fine.In post 363, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Geraint you’re a bad player, but town. That’s all i have to say.- AliceK
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I am just feeling you have the highest chance of flipping scum. I just don't feel your progression in this game is natural. What you are doing with Datisi feels like it is going nowhere. I would like to know what it this about.In post 489, innocentvillager wrote:
what do people think of this vote on me? i called it bad yes, but i want to hear other people reasoning first maybeIn post 451, AliceK wrote:VOTE: innocentvillager
I will land my vote here. He is overfocused on Datisi ignoring everything around him. It looks forced. Could it be that he is trying to avoid interactions with other players, because he doesn't feel comfortable in interactions with scum buddies.
like Baltar said yikes and then asked if Alice was an alt, can you expand where your heads at on that?- AliceK
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Yes, I think geraintm is town, I don't think it is likely that he would go with his -ev play as scum along with his claim about strongman. Also I think you/Iconeum are tvt. I am more sure about Ico.In post 499, Datisi wrote:alice, do you have slightly more elaborate opinions on anyone other than innocentvillager- AliceK
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He was focusing mainly on Datisi and yes his scumbuddies are along 9 other people.In post 529, Iconeum wrote:
I didn't think iv was only focusing on Datisi tho? And your post suggests he is scumbuddies with about 9 other players then or??In post 451, AliceK wrote:VOTE: innocentvillager
I will land my vote here. He is overfocused on Datisi ignoring everything around him. It looks forced. Could it be that he is trying to avoid interactions with other players, because he doesn't feel comfortable in interactions with scum buddies.- AliceK
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Reads are mostly not naked I stated my reasons behind most of them. You are trying to say that only scums are doing that which is not true. I think getting as many trs and srs is important. Voting someone even with lack of arguments is also beneficial as a pressured scum is more likely to make a mistake.In post 534, Iconeum wrote:AliceK provided 3 naked townreads, followed by 3 naked scumreads followed by a vote on IV
I think this is literally scum who's going by some sort of checklist:
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I explained my reads on geraintm, you and iv. I won't write an essay if you ask for that.In post 601, Iconeum wrote:neither of your 3 townreads were explained
neither of your 3 scumreads were explained
IIRC
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I should find some time after the work. A lot of interesting stuff happened I can comment on.In post 606, Datisi wrote:
@aliceIn post 504, Datisi wrote:that's not really "more elaborate". could you provide some reasoning to go with that? also, thoughts on gypyx/baltar still the same, or?- AliceK
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Yeah, let me start with George. I am very lazy and there is not much to read. I will just focus on his recent reads.In post 760, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Alice those reads are coming along i hope?
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Nah, I agree with IV. A scummy response would have been to push someone to prove them wrong.In post 670, Gypyx wrote:You're saying scum doesn't get offended by that? 'cause i disagree
Why is that? Usually the blame is shifted to the person who hammered anyways. It seems beneficial to makes things easier for a quickhammer...?In post 714, Gypyx wrote:well, it's basically that i think scum is less likely to wanna like, openly make things easier for a quickhammer you see?
Well, I think VP/Norwee/Gera are town.
Datisi/Iconeum are like, constantly going at each other, I honestly think Datisi looks the best there, since it's the norm for N_M to quickhammer, and Geraint says he's quickhammering when he can lol.
N_M did the N_M introduction.
IV i'm very unsure on, Alice seems like LHF. Anya is null too.
I have some tinfoil hat theory on Luca, based off a previous game.
VOTE: Gypyx
He is pinging me scum slightly. The reads are not controversial. Town block makes sense. The reason why I think George might be scum is a null block.
Anya started with a strong tr on George, there is no comment on that. I believe he could find much more on me and IV, but for some reason he doesn't want to do that. I can see him being a buddy with IV.
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No it wasn't intentional. Weird question. What's your point?In post 877, Gypyx wrote:
day 1 of quoting this until alice repliesIn post 762, Gypyx wrote:
hey @alice, still interested in the answerIn post 587, Gypyx wrote:
is the fact that you just repeated what's been said previously intentional or what?In post 451, AliceK wrote:VOTE: innocentvillager
I will land my vote here. He is overfocused on Datisi ignoring everything around him. It looks forced. Could it be that he is trying to avoid interactions with other players, because he doesn't feel comfortable in interactions with scum buddies.- AliceK
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Hard question. I still think he is town. EoD could definitely come from Ico! Town and I am just townreading his film day 1.In post 1938, Luca Blight wrote:Alice, thoughts on Icon?- AliceK
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Hard question. I still think he is town. EoD could definitely come from Ico! Town and I am just townreading his full day 1.In post 1938, Luca Blight wrote:Alice, thoughts on Icon?- AliceK
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Ok thx. So only 2 options. PGO and Vigilante.In post 1944, Luca Blight wrote:Unless there a PGO- AliceK
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Oh you can probably figure out exact country I don't want to solve the mysteryIn post 1976, Anya wrote:alice why did you decide to live in Europe for this game?- AliceK
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Hmmm. I am not buying it. Anyone can confirm?In post 1978, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Ummm 2?In post 1975, AliceK wrote:@NorwegianBoy In scale 1 to 10 how would you score your scum gameplay?
Extremely bad.
Bussing Day 1 is usually an awful idea, but I think with a low activity slot like George who had 2 prods you can hard commit to bus.- AliceK
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Nope.In post 1979, Not_Mafia wrote:
LithuaniaIn post 1977, AliceK wrote:
Oh you can probably figure out exact country I don't want to solve the mysteryIn post 1976, Anya wrote:alice why did you decide to live in Europe for this game?- AliceK
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Just mentioning a possibility as you were extremely confident with a push on George. Not like I ever vote you today.In post 1983, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Sure i can see bussing as an possibility for a slot like George. But i’f you scumread me then i’m not going to accept: "it is possible you bussed" as the only reason to suspect me.In post 1980, AliceK wrote:Bussing Day 1 is usually an awful idea, but I think with a low activity slot like George who had 2 prods you can hard commit to bus.- AliceK
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@N_M Can you confirm who you shot? (I am 99% sure it was Wooper, but confirm pls)
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Ebwop , stupid GBoardIn post 2158, AliceK wrote:I would say VP, N_M and NorwegianBoy are safe today. I think IV is sus, maybe I will find something interesting on eod.- AliceK
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I can probably do that, I will try to do it tomorrow.In post 2217, VP Baltar wrote:
Luca and I have basically already said this. Can I get a full reads list from you and your thoughts on Gypyx's claim?In post 2216, AliceK wrote:Imo 1-2 scums in {gypex, Ico, iv}. Could be that there is a deepwolf somewhere, but that's something to focus in p5/p3- AliceK
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If I vote you it's hammer and I still need to do a closer look at your eod.In post 2257, Iconeum wrote:
not sure if both scum really push my yeet here?In post 2242, Sirius9121 wrote:Official Vote Count
Iconeum(4): VP Baltar, innocentvillager, Anya, Luca Blight
innocentvillager(2): Gypyx, geraintm
Gypyx(2): NorwegianboyEE, AliceK
Luca Blight(1): Iconeum
Not Voting(1): Not_Mafia
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to eliminate.
Deadline: (expired on 2021-05-03 10:38:00)
Please note that the color#800080and all similar shades are considered off limits from now on.
luca/anya contains scum
aliceK keeps hands clean from my wagon, it's possible
maybe i'm wrong about gyp, but my defensive gut feeling is telling me this is town- AliceK
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I am not sure why you think my read transition on Ico is weird. It's actually very simple. I was townreading Ico, because of his early paranoid tone (slightly for that) and because he looked very committed to my elimination (mainly for that). I just couldn't see why would scum do it. You quick-hammer a town member it draws a lot of attention to yourself which as scum you would like to avoid. There was no one else in imminent danger, so it wasn't protecting a scumbuddy. Just doesn't stick to scumagenda to do so.
Now GB's wagon. The problem of scums in these kind of situations is hesitation of what to do. I can see Town doing one of 2 things: hard committing to one of the wagons (doesn't matter which) or just ignore it. Iconeum was a third type: interested in voting someone, but not sure who (he was considering GB and Anya, but didn't vote any of them). I am actually not buying it. He was probably waiting for opportunity to save GB. Maybe waiting for GB to claim PR.
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I will elaborate on this more. Looks like I actually need to quote him.In post 2459, VP Baltar wrote:I'd like Alice to respond to Ico's critiques of her case.- AliceK
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In post 942, Iconeum wrote:
agreeing with thisIn post 832, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Can you explain that?In post 830, Datisi wrote:i wish the last page and a half hadn't happened, bc it lowkey sunk my read on literally everyone who's posted on them
Based on slots that have posted right now i'm thinking you and Luca are townie. Baltar leanscum.
I'm gonna join this wagon because i don't understand why George is this inactive and he hasn't been town so far.
VOTE: GeorgeBailey
So Ico was voting George entire 8 minutes. That's why I didn't count that.In post 978, Iconeum wrote:UNVOTE:
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i've been as open as Always
if you got them vibes you talk to me you know how it works
I think here he was looking for other options to jump on.
OK, he voted Anya, sorry for that, I overlooked that. Forgive me.In post 1102, Iconeum wrote:VOTE: anya
also i pulled an allnighter and that's been forever and i'm at work and if i'm slow to respond whatever
After 3 days of voting Anya Ico decided to switch to George:In post 1748, Iconeum wrote:VOTE: GB
anya's recent posting is someting she can hopefully keep up
GB is just blatantly stalling at this point, doing jack shit. If this is town, then it's not a bad yeet anyway
If I had time i'd probably push Luca here while hiding behind wooper, but weekend vla is soonish and deadline etc
I'll take that fight tomorrow if there's a chance
I believe in that.In post 1798, Iconeum wrote:
yep solid readIn post 1785, Wooper wrote:ico can be scum with georhe but probably isn't scum with Anya
I'd be quite surprised if datisi and Luca are scum together and I independently kinda think datisi is weakly more likely to be town
i'm helping derail anya flip in order to get some bus driving credit on gorge
The question is if Ico checked what was the situation in Anya vs George. It was 4v4 with Anya being active and not voting George and George very likely to skip his vote. Ico was voting Anya.
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True. Tbh I doubt you are Mafia with this NK. Unless it is a desperation kill. It highly suggest that there was a bus play day 1.In post 2565, Gypyx wrote:anyways, let's be real there, i shouldn't live to endgame in that situation- AliceK
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Highest chance to survive the night with X-shot Vig and Mafia.In post 2567, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Really? Why did you target Anya?In post 2563, AliceK wrote:I am a Cop and Anya is Town.- AliceK
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That makes sense. He hammered George day 1 and not vote Ico day 2. Hammer is a cheap play, scum definitely could do that.In post 2572, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I’m at work so don’t expect much effort from me. But i honestly think this kill points to some outlier like Geraintm. I’m thinking it’s perfectly possible he bussed George and then tried, and failed. To protect Iconeum from the hang.
VOTE: Geraintm
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You just said that there is a strongman. What is your role exactly?In post 2573, geraintm wrote:@ Norway.
Like, i know Scum have not played well this game - they've lost 2 players in 2 days - but you think my plan was to out myself day 1 with a role that exactly correctly my partner, hammer partner day 1, then go out of my way to make myself so obviously linked to the other scum day 2.
i've got that right?
that is more believable to you than me just blurting out my town role?
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N_M - VigilanteIn post 2577, geraintm wrote:Known roles (not seen this summary anywhere)
George Bailey - mafia goon
Datisi - town doctor
whooper - town roleblocker
iconeum - mafia 1 shot roleblocker
innocent villager - vanilla townie
geraintm - informed townie
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AliceK - Cop with clear on Anya
anything else i've missed?- AliceK
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Nope. I did only one check. I don't want to share why, because it only benefits scums.In post 2598, geraintm wrote:
i love how the working theory is that i am some sort of scum mastermind who faked a claim day 1, then managed to get both my partners eliminated in the first 2 days and yet slip on thisIn post 2595, Luca Blight wrote:I know you know, but in the moment such mistakes can happen
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I play simple. Either I try to find Town in SRd players or find scum in TRd players. If I knew iv will be killed I would probably check you.In post 2652, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Tbh, if i was cop then the last person i’d check is Anya. That’s the main thing i find sus about Alice.
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