DEFCON Mafia 5.0: GAME OVER - NEW AMERICA FORMED

[Toogeloo]

VOTE: Against

Make love, not war, man.

[Toogeloo]

Step 1: Establish Trust

[Toogeloo]

The optimal choice was actually for no one to post for a day but I didnt think of that until a few hours ago

Anyone who posted almost immediately after DefCon 4 started can probably consider themselves prime targets for scum kills since they are all more likely than anyone who didn't post to possibly have PRs. Way to go!

I don't play Sundays, that is our family "device free" day. Guess I'm getting a Silo.

[Toogeloo]

You know I'm tryin'. But I'm almost a full day late to the draft.

[Toogeloo]

Yes but I want to join the CIA, so I need to get a russian

PRESIDENT: POOKY
FIRST LADY: MARRY
VICE PRESIDENT: LLD
DESIGNATED SURVIVOR: BELL
SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: DEATHNOTE
ATTORNEY GENERAL: JOQIZA
FBI DIRECTOR: NEXUS
CIA DIRECTOR: VAXKILLA

Why is this reminding me of your play from Grand Idea?

[Toogeloo]

i like the roleplay aspect because i feel it is harder to be towny when youre roleplaying, not easier. people are going to fos you for it, and this might sound stupid but like... the roleplaying is towny to me...?

If your roleplay is just a bunch of shit posts and spamming your roleplay nonsense, you don't have to make town posts to try and fit into town. Seems easier to do as scum tbqh.

That being said, I don't judge anything until we get into DEFCON 3 and barely read any of this stuff before hand too. It's still pregame to me, and everyone has a pass for now until accountability needs to be held.

[Toogeloo]

You have to know your player base too. I feel like someone like Pooky could get away with roleplay, but someone like Bell might get Foss for it.

[Toogeloo]

I've read maybe a page and a half. I usually find something on the last page ai read or something recent to respond to and that's it. DEFCON 5 and 4 are like 97% shit posts.

[Toogeloo]

Russians can't kill tonight. Terrorist kills tonight. Russians can start killing on DEFCON 2.

I think I've been reading people not knowing this, so just forwarding the info.

I'm cool with a mastina execution. I don't have a reason for it other than being in the same bin as Titus. I was ranked consistently low on mastina's reads, which seemed odd to me considering my near non-existent presence in due D5 and D4. That's a lot of people to read as townier over a non-poster. That has nothing to do with her alignment or my lack of read on the slot, but if I'm that low on her list just because, I might be a bit spiteful and feel like eliminating her slot.

I haven't counted, but consider my vote on mastina in the meantime.

Also... Sorry Pooky, Operation Endangered Panda will not continue into this game.

[Toogeloo]

Step 2: Infiltrate Infrastructure.

[Toogeloo]

[Toogeloo]

And I think it's a good thing, because while launching lots of nukes is +town

I think it's an easy way to kill a lot of people with minimal groundwork established, allowing mafia aligned silos to get a few shots off before needing to defend the shot.

By the time nukes are fireable by going through D3 and D2, accountability will be a thing and scum with nukes will be less likely to fire with out properly pretensing their shots.

My 2 cents.

[Toogeloo]

Sorry I'm just a reasonable and rational person by nature. Don't mind me. This is probably better played like Bad Idea.

[Toogeloo]

also this is an opensetup so i really don't care what mastina claims, lol. she'll 100% tell the truth because why wouldn't she

This is true.

It's fine.

VOTE: mastina

Doesn't matter, whatever she has,bro. Time for to go.

[Toogeloo]

Just vote mastina.

There ain't no stoppin' this train we're on.

[Toogeloo]

is this what you are supposed to do in these games? speedlim to get to the nukes?

ye

[Toogeloo]

What if Lady Lambdadelta is committing vehicular manslaughter over her buddy Mastina?

If she's bussing, who cares. A scum killed is a scum killed.

Seems like bad play in a game with a known SK though, and a town full of nukes. Like what's her end game? Why bus the ever living shit out of your teammate first chance you get?

[Toogeloo]

Russians can't kill tonight. Terrorist kills tonight. Russians can start killing on DEFCON 2.

[Toogeloo]

DEFCON 3 – Increase in force readiness above that required for normal readiness– Two weeks or until elimination.
a) Players may cast votes.
b) Following an elimination, a 48 hour night phase will occur.
c) All militaries switch to encrypted callsigns. Players with private communication channels may still talk openly at any time, but any messages sent have a chance of being intercepted by the Eavesdropper (if there is one) and having their contents revealed to the Eavesdropper. Unlike past games, there will be no Public Drops. Please see the Eavesdropper Role for more information.
d) The terrorist gains the following activated ability: Terrorist attack: {Each night, you may kill target player.}

DEFCON 2 – Further increase in force readiness, but less than maximum readiness – Two weeks or until elimination.
a) The Russians gains the following factional ability: Stealth Bomber: In order to defend yourself against the Americans, your military aerospace engineers have outfitted the Russian Air Force with the cutting edge in stealth technology. You are capable of conducting air strikes anywhere in the world with precise and deadly force. {Each night, you may kill target player.}
b) All other characteristics are identical to DEFCON 3.

[Toogeloo]

polar bear

You need to get your bears straight. You keep calling me this.

[Toogeloo]

Gotta learn to not make waves.

In regards to today's most talked about slots...

Mognet is town. No scum is that antagonistic in the face of a long standing E-1 train. No 3p puts that much focus on themselves that early.

I like marry for town as well, or at least not group scum. That's again mostly in part to Day 1 antics.

I'm good with T3 as an elim today. I wasn't a fan of their entry posts start of DEFCON 3.

Something Dragon said also felt off to me today.

I wanna see LLD on board this stern Robert push though, so here's hoping policies don't get pushed too hard.

[Toogeloo]

Koto, please.

Everyone, it's over. Mognet has replaced out. And honestly, Mognet may have been a bit aloof and non-conformative, but some of you all just straight up bullied them out of the game. I saw their slot as town, and I'll silo anyone who pushes it through today, tomorrow.

[Toogeloo]

Can we drop it now, please. It's over, Mognet has asked for replacement.

[Toogeloo]

I could vote for either leading wagon. I don't town read either of them.

[Toogeloo]

gorilla is probably my second strongest "I'd follow this to the end of the world," town read after LLD.

VOTE: VFP

[Toogeloo]

Vaxkiller has an agenda against you, but I believe a fair amount of other players have you as town.

Vax would be wise to drop it, tbqh.

[Toogeloo]

He's trolling. Plain and simple. Probably town given the behavior, thinks it's funny, and probably won't do anything meaningful and won't replace out at the same time.

What is up with these players this game?

[Toogeloo]

I intentionally took Counter Intelligence in DEFCON 3.0 and scum had to night kill me for it because I was bleeding obvious town. Why do you want out so bad that you'd rather us execute you?

[Toogeloo]

It is DEFCON 2.

[Toogeloo]

Vaxkiller- I don't believe vaxkiller asking for robert's role was performative, there's also something else I noticed but I forget what it was lol, I'd have to reread

Bell- a beautiful pure soul

gorilla- I am not familiar with gorilla but his posts all have a town mindset, also I'm unironically trusting that prophetic build the zoo email I got

Robert- M Hunter offered role info for no reason that exposed himself to criticism/possible death, playing unlike himself as mafia from what I can tell

Koto- I don't believe mafia ydrasse would replace out over that, unless there was spillover into mafia chat and they are teammates

T3- was not on board with the planned bus to an awkward degree

innocentvillager- outside of hyperparanoid good cop theory, they've taken a lot of risk to be mafia (even with that theory), also I have another not-so-paranoid but still paranoid theory that they are going against as well

I'm not ready to commit to a town read on Vax or T3 just yet, but add in LLD to the list, and yourself, and that's about where my town reads currently stand. I want to TR Cephrir, but I'm not wholely committed to that one either.

Other than that, I'd probably be down to eliminate anyone else.

[Toogeloo]

hm it seems like joqiza and titus at least are pretty against this elimination?

even if they weren't, i don't think no one thinking VFP is town here is scum!indicative especially when they are easily picking up votes

idk ur other reason seems fine but this one feels forced and that's not necessarily scum!inidcative for u im just saying i don't necessarily agree with this reason

I do disagree with this. While I could be wrong, I strongly feel VFP is town. The fact they are getting votes indicates a hive mind.

Second, if VFP were scum, I'd expect Nexus or Robert to go through unless all three were scum.

Robert is more likely town and just being obtuse. Nexus has been countering the VFP wagon.

[Toogeloo]

Why is Robert town?

Mafia is already down a member. Why would Robert expose himself as the town equivalent of mastina's role after her flip, and then repeatedly request their own execution?

[Toogeloo]

The only nuke I feel should be recalled is the one on innocentvillager. I think the others are fine.

T3 was an early poster after DC4 started, strikes me as scum motivated to pull Fail Safe if they had an opportunity to draft something better.

Robert playing CI exactly the way I did in DC 3.0 with the exception they aren't contributing to hunting all that much. Robert needs to be a bit more proactive in order to draw a night kill. It's not enough to deny the troop which has low utility to scum already, you still need to work. Still slightly lean town here however.

VFP (5) - Bell, gorilla, The Entity, Nexus, samantha97
Nexus (5) - Titus, joqiza, T3, DeasVail, Cephrir

Not to toot my own horn, but I was vote 6 for VFP here. Hopefully that doesn't go completely unnoticed.

I think nukes on any of the first five voters for Nexus probably wouldn't get a lot of flak if someone was thinking of taking a shot there. T3 is already being launched at, so probably a good shot, but if I had to take a shot at someone else, maybe DeasVail or Cephrir.

Et Al dying possibly suggests that either Terrorist or Russians have Fighter (Fighter, Radar, and Sub are all strong Terrorist options to help pick targets since they can get a second troop guaranteed of their choice). Might have been a deciding factor if Et Al was scanned Night 1. Et Al kill isn't random, they had to die for a reason, so if not that, someone feared their slot.

[Toogeloo]

This seems like a strange time to claim interceptor.

They claimed it earlier when they did a bigger read list.

[Toogeloo]

Toogeloo - Has done toogeloo things. Ya know what, I should probably just stop writing him off for no reason and probably read his iso?

I highly suggest you do.

VOTE: toogeloo

Currently fine with my vote being where it is.

Et tu Ms. Brute.
You attempt to wound me.

[Toogeloo]

As is custom to my playstyle, all my info is an open book, you need read between the lines.

[Toogeloo]

Titus, joqiza, DeasVail, and Cephrir should all eat a nuke imo.

[Toogeloo]

Titus nuking Nexus is fucking awful.

[Toogeloo]

we were bouncing sound waves off each other or whatever

Like a radar...?

[Toogeloo]

Yea, toogs as radioactive slag might look good!

Oh, you!

[Toogeloo]

Why do you scumread me?

Wrong side of the VC.

[Toogeloo]

Titus, joqiza, DeasVail, and Cephrir should all eat a nuke imo.

can you flesh out these reads?

I did, they were on the wrong side of the VC.

[Toogeloo]

I'm not being nuked or lynched today.

[Toogeloo]

has,bro

Gotta learn to not make waves.

I wanna see LLD

on board this stern

Robert push though

Et tu Ms.

[Toogeloo]

I'm not being nuked or lynched today.

[Toogeloo]

LLD night 1, Bell Night 2.

[Toogeloo]

Wasn't a hard test to pass.

[Toogeloo]

Wow....

Why can't Cephrir be an option again?

All 5 of the people I am ok with dying (T3 already flipped), were on the wrong counterwagon to VFP yesterday, and oddly everyone town reads them. I broke the 5v5 tie and placed my vote in scum, and I'm the one who's in danger.

[Toogeloo]

Fuck this smug and coy "I can be read only between the lines" bullshit.

If you know me, you should know in every game I ever play, I always either claim outright, or drop crumbs.

[Toogeloo]

My wiki.

[Toogeloo]

Wow....

Why can't Cephrir be an option again?

All 5 of the people I am ok with dying (T3 already flipped), were on the wrong counterwagon to VFP yesterday, and oddly everyone town reads them. I broke the 5v5 tie and placed my vote in scum, and I'm the one who's in danger.

it's almost as though mafia is more than just votes! weird.

This game is closer to Bad Idea than actual Mafia. Vote Counts are worth a lot.

[Toogeloo]

i meant for your reads, not for the crumbs

Oh, I've only read about a third of the game. Usually the 5 or so pages before the last post before I make a post. My reads are, "these people helped get scum, these people didn't."

[Toogeloo]

Like, right now, my thought process is, Titus knows Nexus isn't going to get lynched or nuked by a reasonable player after being the counter wagon to an actual scum flip, and after recalling their nuke, so make up some BS excuse to nuke them herself so they don't have to waste a night kill on the slot.

[Toogeloo]

can we get a vote count, mr cake

Votecount 2.5

VFP (5) - Bell, gorilla, The Entity, Nexus, samantha97
Nexus (5) - Titus, joqiza, T3, DeasVail, Cephrir
Mognet (2) - Save The Dragons, Vaxkiller
marry (2) - VFP, Robert M Hunter
Robert M Hunter (2) - Lady Lambdadelta, marry
Titus (1) - Mognet
Koto (1) - The Church of Skitter

Not Voting [4] - Koto, DeathNote, Et Al, Toogeloo

(expired on 2021-05-22 17:52:00) remain until day end

With 22 players alive, it takes 12 to reach a majority.

Votecount 2.6

Nexus (6) - Titus, joqiza, T3, DeasVail, Cephrir, Save The Dragons
VFP (5) - Bell, gorilla, Nexus, samantha97, Toogeloo
Robert M Hunter (4) - Lady Lambdadelta, marry, Robert M Hunter, The Entity
innocentvillager (1) - Vaxkiller
marry (1) - VFP
Titus (1) - innocentvillager
Koto (1) - The Church of Skitter

Not Voting [3] - Koto, DeathNote, Et Al

(expired on 2021-05-22 17:52:00) remain until day end

With 22 players alive, it takes 12 to reach a majority.

The first Vote Count is before I cast the tie breaking vote and put VFP in the lead, the second is a momentum shift to put Nexus back in the lead. After this, Bell came into the thread with a post many insinuated as a guilty claim on VFP. A bus after that would be expected.

[Toogeloo]

I give Save the Dragons a pass for nuking Koto, but it was an easy nuke to make for town cred. So, my focus is on the other 4 people on that wagon. Yes, I know they aren't all scum, but almost all of them is being hand waved today (other than THE).

PEdit: Titus isn't nuking you, she's nuking Nexus. Her actions speak louder.

[Toogeloo]

Sam does not need to claim. Forcing that claim is scum motivated.

[Toogeloo]

We have very few people left to claim with several troops still on the table. Sam was the first person to post after DC4 started. Everyone knows they have a PR.

[Toogeloo]

and this interaction with VFP (1161) reads non-partnered to me.

These aren't exactly difficult to pull off.

Did it here in my last game as mafia with my partner, Dannflor.

[Toogeloo]

That doesn't even take into consideration all the blind nukes fired, and scum being able to fire their nukes more openly as a result. Total War gives even less info to work with.

[Toogeloo]

im not saying i think STD is scum at all just throwing it out there because it's my nature to be paranoid of everything

I think it's generally seen that way by a few people. It's worth a pass today, but it's not something that makes them locktown.

[Toogeloo]

I feel like everybody but me has claimed.
But I don't need to on account of being obv town.

If you're interested...

Cephrir

-

Silo crumb/claim (here)**

innocentvillager

-

Covert Ops*

Save the Dragons

-

Silo

Vaxkiller -

No known claim, unless I missed it

Toogeloo -

Battleship*

Bell -

No known claim, unless I missed it

gorilla -

Silo

Equinox -

Silo crumb/claim (here)**

DeasVail -

Strategic Missile Defense*

Nexus -

Silo

The Church of Skitter -
Titus -

Silo

samantha97 -

No known claim, unless I missed it

joqiza -

Submarine*

marry - Silo crumb/claim (here)

*unproven claim, but not counter-claimed.
**unproven silo claim, could be (probably is) bluffing.

Roles not flipped or claimed yet:

Fighter
Espionage
Radar
Air Base

***Terrorist can have two roles, one of which can be a duplicate of something already in play.***

[Toogeloo]

Meh. my formatting got lazy, but you can figure it out.

[Toogeloo]

Essentially, many of the "Silo" crumbs and claims are more than likely hiding their true identity.

[Toogeloo]

Opps, forgot Church of Skitter. I don't believe they've claimed, unless I missed it.

[Toogeloo]

Gonna actually be amused if last three scum actually are STD, IV, and marry, and everyone else is just cannibalizing each other.

[Toogeloo]

Vax. If you've been scum reading the IV slot so long, why didn't you scan them?

Also, might as well correct my list now lol.

[Toogeloo]

Cephrir

-

Silo crumb/claim (here)**

innocentvillager

-

Covert Ops*

Save the Dragons

-

Silo

Vaxkiller

-

Espionage*

Toogeloo

-

Battleship*

Bell

-

No known claim, unless I missed it

gorilla

-

Silo

Equinox

-

Silo crumb/claim (here)**

DeasVail

-

Strategic Missile Defense*

Nexus

-

Silo

The Church of Skitter

-

No known claim, unless I missed it

Titus

-

Silo

samantha97

-

Air Base*

joqiza

-

Submarine

marry

-

Silo crumb/claim**

(here)

*unproven claim, but not counter-claimed.
**unproven silo claim, could be (probably is) bluffing.

Roles not flipped or claimed yet:

Fighter
Radar

***Terrorist can have two roles, one of which can be a duplicate of something already in play.***

[Toogeloo]

The Roleblocker (Aircraft Carrier) is already dead, so anyone who has an action will be able to perform it unless the terrorist also has Aircraft Carrier.

[Toogeloo]

Going back to whoever said it earlier, I'm starting to think that the last two Russians are inexperienced players and probably not very active, or one/both completely abandoned their team early. The Terrorist is probably deep wolfed.

[Toogeloo]

Currently operating under the impression that Save the Dragons and Marry are the last two Russians. No clue on the Terrorist, but Samantha might be my first choice, maybe Church of Skitter after that.

[Toogeloo]

Honestly...

I think our remaining Silo shots should nuke STD and marry, unless marry claims Radar/Fighter.

We can probably out night action the remaining scum with the town roles we still have since they have to kill me first, then kill Vax.

We just need to organize.

[Toogeloo]

my nuke pool is dv/sam/titus/equi maybe marry if someone really sold me well. that's also the pool of who i'd like investigated.

i don't see why we would want to not nuke a Fighter claim, it doesn't do anything

I'd suggest Sam. Their troop choice doesn't align with their day play, and was sketch to begin with. I was convinced they were Espionage or Fighter based on their play. Air Base isn't a pick you take and then become a non-presence.

[Toogeloo]

With all the info that's come out, I really think the game is in a solvable state.

[Toogeloo]

I forgot about Equinox/JF. Same pool as STD and marry.

Ceph, use your best judgement.

[Toogeloo]

Biggest thing going for samantha maybe is the timing of her vote on VFP and the self-righteousness of her defense that feels believable? Urgh. Both votes on mastina and VFP were fairly low-key though and her case on deasvail isn't great except I'm not solid on DV-town either. Can't find any reliable reference for her scumplay to see if the selfmeta is accurate either.

Sam is probably Terrorist if scum. Therefore their voting pattern isn't going to be nearly as important as their play.

[Toogeloo]

The terrorist is the only player worth fearing. I do believe that both Russians will be dead if we nuke between STD, Johnny, and Marry.

[Toogeloo]

I've actually liked you, generally speaking, Sam. But the Air Base pick and your less aggressive approach don't match up. At this point, it's just eliminating the question marks.

If joq doesn't recall his nuke, he needs to be nuked. Keep that in mind, Ali.

[Toogeloo]

joqiza, I can't help but feel like something is going wrong and there's someone we're overlooking. The PoE doesn't feel right. Do you have that feeling?

Yeah, I was thinking about the game at work today. I know I probably have very little credibility rn, but Vax being PR feels like a missing puzzle piece.

I still think marry and Equinox slot are town, and I still think DeasVail is probably town. I still think the Mognet slot is town too, but I kind of wish Nexus had let the nuke go through now just because I feel like the whole game hinges on that slot being town for me, and I need to know if I'm getting fooled. I think the claims from Toog/Vax are also +town and may even be self-resolving.

Sam and Titus I don't know, but I feel like they could be town. Church's strong TR on Titus... made me re-think things, not because there was any argument levelled with it, but because I feel like that's less likely to happen in the first place in a town!Church/scum!Titus universe, if that makes sense? It could be TvT, or it could be scum!Church with TMI, but... I still think Titus maybe needs to get resolved at some point, but I find myself looking into town!Titus universes anyway following that post.

The slots I keep coming back to rn are... StD/Church. As weird as that sounds, it's honestly where my head keeps taking me.

Town still wins with town.

This is why I suggest our remaining nukes take out the less town read or questionable silos remaining, and then we resolve the game using Night Actions. Our Night Action pool is still quite strong, we control at least 3 nukes which are highly town read, and the places the scum pool can hide is quite limited.

[Toogeloo]

I don't understand why I am being put in the PoE

You're in my terrorist PoE. But everyone's opinions are different. My Russian PoE is STD, JF, and Marry.

[Toogeloo]

If scum decide they want to play head games, and keep me alive through the night, I grant early permission to one of joqiza, Gorilla, or Cephrir to nuke me tomorrow so it removes paranoia.

I fully expect to die tonight. My mission is to just make sure Vax doesn't.

[Toogeloo]

how exactly did i end up in your russian POE anyway Toogeloo

Nuking Koto doesn't really buy that many town points, sadly. I remember disliking some of your earlier posts from DC5-3, but can't really be bothered to go find them right now.

[Toogeloo]

no points for being right about mastina?

For me, that mastina wagon happened far too easily and without any resistance. I think it was bus time from the word go, and she was cool with it.

PEdit: if your buddy is gonna get nuked more than likely anyways, why not try to earn a little town cred for it?

[Toogeloo]

Mostly inactivity tbqh. I think from the get go, the Russian team has been pretty flaky.

[Toogeloo]

I mean
a terrorist would want to kill the Fighter. It's what threatens their existence the most.

Mod already confirmed only their draft gets Fightered, not their free choice.

[Toogeloo]

STD, I've already green-lit my nuking tomorrow if scum wants to play psychological warfare. They'd be dumb to let me live since Espionage is still alive.

This is soothing enough for me, and I don't envy the living Day 4 Americans considering everyone feels everyone else is town and we have at least 1 Russian, more than likely 2, and a Terrorist to find.

If you are American, you're getting bamboozled by someone.

[Toogeloo]

6 Russians would be too much, right?

[Toogeloo]

Oh, yep. I pay attention to most everything, but still missed that.

[Toogeloo]

Also, Russians didn't want Battleship that badly. It was my #2 pick.

[Toogeloo]

I'm actually pissed off looking back at VC 2.4 and seeing we have multiple nukes on players that were on VFP rather than on counterwagons. That seems so wrong.

I kept pushing for nukes on all the players on Nexus and got scum read for it. Sad days.

[Toogeloo]

Final two Russians have to be DeasVail and Johnny after that intercept, right?

[Toogeloo]

Also... Why does Johnny have notes from his predecessor on who to nuke?

[Toogeloo]

Intercept: JohnnyFarrar

[Toogeloo]

Gorilla, the past 48 hours or so has had me lose a bit of faith in my strong early town read on you. You're waffling a bit more than any of the rest of the time you've had in the game. Maybe the game state is getting to you, but you're worrying me a bit.

[Toogeloo]

Won't be my problem after tonight. I just hope if you're American, you can find the proper common ground with your fellow Americans.

[Toogeloo]

You disagree that even considering looking at the counter wagon was worthwhile? We're functionally on Day 3 after a Day 1 turbo lynch (minus the, uh, turbo speed), and a Day 2 pseudo cop claim lynch. What have you been looking at for analysis?

[Toogeloo]

Pardon me. It's just in my play style that I don't town bloc, I don't trust tell, and I ignore distractions as much as humanly possible. I don't react to pressure, and I don't apply pressure. I use analysis and logic as often as possible, even if that means 180s on my reads constantly as I discern possibilities from new information.

I really only look for things to analyze and work from there.

[Toogeloo]

I pretty much try to play like a human robot, lol.

[Toogeloo]

Not sure if it's already been discussed but we should probs wait for the marry replacement as it gives us another resolve opportunity if she has a silo.

Pretty sure that's what we have all collaboratively been waiting on.

[Toogeloo]

cephrir and vaxkiller are linked alignment-wise

Not entirely.

They can both be American.
They can both be Russian.
Vax could Russian and currying favor with American Cephrir.
Vax could be American and Cephrir could be Terrorist.

[Toogeloo]

My final 5 would be:
Bell, Vax, IV, Cephrir, and DeasVail. I'd want as few nukes in end game as possible as I firmly believe scum are just about out of PRs, and we don't need miselim nukes that close to ExLo.

[Toogeloo]

Maybe swap DeasVail and Marry if Marry is Radar.

[Toogeloo]

Johnny gets limmed today.
Myself and someone not named Vax dies tonight.
You all figure out what to do tomorrow, but y'all already are struggling reading anyone as Russian, let alone comfortable in looking for the Terrorist. You should really be considering limiting the kills happening tomorrow, or just killing off all the DayVig powers with the exception of one.

[Toogeloo]

Scum will want Silos around if they think they can manipulate the American controlled ones into miselimming slots, or make their own shots hit miselima because town wanted them to.

[Toogeloo]

Random note: The terrorist is likely a silo or late PR claimer due to the lack of a CC.

The terrorist is free to claim there draft choice. If it's a PR, no one else has it.

[Toogeloo]

I actually considered saving Bell last night, but figured it wasn't worth it. I am still green lighting myself as being nuked today. I refuse to let scum play psychological warfare.

If Vax is scum, he can't hide behind my protection if I'm dead.

[Toogeloo]

There is no reason I should be alive today unless scum need me to be around longer.

[Toogeloo]

Toog who did you target

I targeted Vax. I didn't think the risk was worth targeting anyone else, but I was heavily considering targeting Bell during the day phase.

We have an alternative to nuking today, if people are willing to holster for a day.

We can No Eliminate today, and go into Night with all our current players and give Vax another person to clear. Scum will have to kill me at some point.

If Vax is town, scum can't keep him alive, they'll need to kill me to get to him. If Vax is scum, it'll be evident by the ambivalence of keeping me alive.

Scum are banking on misnukes to even the tables, if we sent them that, we force them to pull us out of WIFOM.

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I'm only on for now because my wife and kids are out, but I won't be on later because I'll have my phone off.

[Toogeloo]

@Johnny, Scum would want to draft Espionage just to keep it from town, and they can just use it to look for Terrorist only.

[Toogeloo]

We'll have two perpetual cop clears in Cephrir and IV. If scum want to keep me alive and kill one of them, Vax will have to clear another player. We'll always either have two clears or an eventual guilty.

[Toogeloo]

Yeah, my plan requires patience from everyone.

[Toogeloo]

we nuke vax for confirmation

You can't nuke Vax today unless you nuke him twice.

[Toogeloo]

Has anyone considered the possibility of leashing vax and holding nukes? I can't do the math right now, but that may force an autowin.

That's pretty much what I just suggested.

We have a two clear advantage at the moment. Vax and Cephrir "could" theoretically be scum mates (don't dwell on that now), but IV is almost certainly 100% confirmed town. Vax has to keep delivering, and we have quite a bit of padding here to work with, so long as no one nukes.

[Toogeloo]

If Vax is town, he will find a Russian eventually. If he's scum, it will be obvious eventually.

But we can't reduce our numbers advantage by just nuking willy nilly.

[Toogeloo]

Honestly town clears on Silos is preferable. If we get to a point where nuclear fallout is inevitable, knowing which nukes are controlled by town gives us a plan able edge. I mean, at the end of the day, just allowing clears to happen regardless is ideal. Any player not cleared stays on the bottom of pile as an eligible nuke recipient.

[Toogeloo]

Family is home. See y'all tomorrow.

[Toogeloo]

I've read it, and I agree. Can we also maybe just agree to take the quick way out as well when we're the one being shot at so we don't drag the game out?

Lastly, joq should kill STD since that was his desire, and Titus can kill me since I feel like I owe her after miselimming her for my scum win in our last game .

[Toogeloo]

Actually, no. Joq has to fire first, and it has to be a non-silo they fire at. Need to make 100% certain that no shenanigans are happening, mirite?

[Toogeloo]

We're all gonna be a bunch of suicidal prats here lol.

[Toogeloo]

Yeah, it's probably not Bingle with the amount of effort going into solving a lock win for town.

[Toogeloo]

(if scum wants to concede now *that* would accelerate the game, there's pretty much no way we don't just slowly execute this plan at this point even if u don't concede for the wifom)

Agreed. But, then that means no more flavor deaths. Operation Endangered Panda needs a sequel lol.

[Toogeloo]

I don’t think we have to wait on skitter flip but rather on skitter being unable to retract their rocket to start launching, btw.

As long as ceph launches last to ensure scum doesn’t try a whoops, I thought I was supposed to target someone else gambit we should be good.

The only reason to wait is to ensure Ali isn't trolling us and is actually town. Let's not shoot ourselves in the foot if we're being fucked with lol.

[Toogeloo]

I actually protected gorilla night 2, not Bell. I figured saying I targeted Bell was just the better answer though.

I don't recall if I ruffled any feathers this game with toxicity. If I did, and you were offended, I apologize. Let me know so I can correct it.

Other than that, gg to everyone. Town was on point this game.

[Toogeloo]

Jesus, scum chat was amazing. Like, it make a great comedy movie amazing. Ali and Bingle hatching a plan 5 pages long in scum chat only to tie their shoelaces together, trip and fall, and hug each other as the nukes come closing in.

[Toogeloo]

Low Swing Game?