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[Gypyx]

first

[Gypyx]

Anyways, here's my role crumb, it's not meant to be understood, and it is not possible for any of you guys to understeand it, really

(spoilered for convinience)

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don, baron
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[Gypyx]

on a more serious note, i'm a town informed, Georgebailey is mafia

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VOTE: GeorgeBaileu

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[Gypyx]

lots of informed in this game

/s

pedit : i think he planned to do this kind of stuff before receiving role PM, maybe that's why that sounds artifical?

(t'was @post 15)

[Gypyx]

i'm a Post 18 Rolecop, datisi is lying

[Gypyx]

so you are suggesting he'd come out claiming whatever role he got or?

hmmm, good point

it's up to gera to explain it anyways lol, just theorizing

[Gypyx]

i'm a Post 18 Rolecop, datisi is lying

about what exactly

i can rolecop someone once the game gets on post 18

datisi is a Strongman Traitor, not an Informed, they're lying

[Gypyx]

ico i see ur online why lurk already

i think this comes from towntisi

[Gypyx]

ico i see ur online why lurk already

i think this comes from towntisi

why?

*puts tinfoil hat on*

well you, town datisi would be more interested in trying to sort town ico that scum datisi of course, plus, scumtisi would be busy doing other things pre-game, so i doubt you'd take the time checking who's online, unless you specifically want to sort them

so that's town

[Gypyx]

gyp + geraint calling it

yes we are indeed masons

[Gypyx]

i stand by my belief that anyone making grand claims day one about people being scum/town is just being a numpty

there's a thing called sparking discuss my guy

[Gypyx]

discussion* (hope that's a real world lol)

[Gypyx]

actually hmmmm

given the claim, there's a possibility for it being ico + gera

not really stuff i'd bank on, just higher odds

[Gypyx]

actually hmmmm

given the claim, there's a possibility for it being ico + gera

not really stuff i'd bank on, just higher odds

please

tell me more

ongoing game kinda

will explain when time comes

[Gypyx]

VOTE: norwee

why the switch?

[Gypyx]

VOTE: norwee

why the switch?

the post i voted you for was tonally a disaster
your explanation explained why it could be a town tonal disaster

hmm, think i see why

anything weird about norwee, or just random bleh?

[Gypyx]

also lol @ gypyx with the rulebreak

oh ummm shit where?

[Gypyx]

oops

i mean, it's *complicated* really

would be better to you know, highlight these rules? cuz i read those but still managed to miss that bit apparently

[Gypyx]

i aim to get to day 2, work out who i think is the most townie player in the game and then just follow them

and how do you want to guess who's the towniest if not for the day 1 play????

[Gypyx]

ackchyually let me pretend to do some serious analysis on posts from page 1-2

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hello all.
I'm fed up of always getting eliminated for my normal style of play (which is very "sit back and vote infrequently")

I said in my last game i am going to be different.

So, firstly this is the 8th post so far in the game so far.

And there is a Mafia one time Strongman in this game, i have been informed of this fact.

hello all.
I'm fed up of always getting eliminated for my normal style of play (which is very "sit back and vote infrequently")

I said in my last game i am going to be different.

So, firstly this is the 8th post so far in the game so far.

And there is a Mafia one time Strongman in this game, i have been informed of this fact.

why am i reading this like it's coming from mafia

not even joking

lots of informed in this game

/s

pedit : i think he planned to do this kind of stuff before receiving role PM, maybe that's why that sounds artifical?

(t'was @post 15)

so you are suggesting he'd come out claiming whatever role he got or?

so you are suggesting he'd come out claiming whatever role he got or?

hmmm, good point

it's up to gera to explain it anyways lol, just theorizing

^^ this is a weird sequence

(1) gera's intro says he's sick of being voted early, says he'll play differently this game
(2) gera then claims his informed in the same post
(3) ico says he's reading that post as scum
(4) gypyx defends him by saying that gera prob planned that pre-role pm so that's prob why it sounds weird
(5) ico replies "oh did he plan to claim early pre-role pm?"
(6) gypyx backs off with "good point"

now, this is an odd sequence because

when ico attacked and gypyx defended gera, it seemed to me like they were talking about (1), which is attacking/defending the "i'll play differently", which i mean, is valid grounds for suspicion, but also if it's really preplanned it's nai (like i can see both sides here)

now ico attacked gyp with "well do you think he was preplanning to roleclaim?" - and i'd expect gyp's reply to that would be "well no, but i'm not saying (2) was preplanned, i'm just saying (1) was preplanned and that that is nai"

and instead gyp backs off and agrees w ico - which cooooouuuld be scum avoiding heat or trying not to defend a townie in hopes there's a t/t fight in the making

VOTE: gypyx

discuss

uh, this is litterally what i replied though

what are you on

[Gypyx]

we came to a town!geraint conclusion after more discussion

not quite true, i slotted him as town for it back then too, i just didn't wanna say so bc you were yelling at gypyx about it and i wanted to see where that went and/or didn't want you to yell at me

if your question is "well what did you get from it" the answer is not much
gypyx doesn't give me the "must murder immediately" vibes he gave me in pyp but very old meta, probably shouldn't base reads things around that one game, etc

yeah my meta has evolved by the way, not sure how you would react to scum!me these days as my scumplay is as consistent as *insert funny part of the message i'm tired i don't wanna do this aaaaaaa basically it's inconsistent*

[Gypyx]

i aim to get to day 2, work out who i think is the most townie player in the game and then just follow them

and how do you want to guess who's the towniest if not for the day 1 play????

oh, they'll be stuff then. they'll be claims and things is my assumption.

welp, i hope you're like *really* good at mech

[Gypyx]

sorry to hear that

is two generally a lot of townreads for you at this point in the game? were you happy to get two townreads? sad you only had two townreads?

mmmmm don't like this post

VOTE: innocentvillager

[Gypyx]

uh, this is litterally what i replied though

what are you on

it's... not?

you replied "don't you think this is preplanned" in 18, arguing why it's nai/sounds weird. now granted, you could be referring to either (a) saying he'll play differently or (b) claiming the informed (or both i guess). i think it's fair to assume that you were referring to (a) (or both), because saying he preplanned to roleclaim without preplanning the "i'll play differently" would be a decently weird thought process.

so when ico called you out on "do you think he preplanned claiming his role?", i don't get how your response wasn't "i wasn't saying that, i was saying he preplanned the 'i'll play differently' part", but it was rather just omitting that altogether and agreeing with ico?

uhhh, you lost me in the first paragraph there man

and well, this is pretty much what post 18 already says yes? the other response basically agreed cuz i had no clue why gera's been doing what he's been doing?

[Gypyx]

honestly at this point i'm willing to drop it because obviously nobody other than ico even cares about the ~case~ and i could plausibly maybe see town!gypyx doing it so like what is even the point anymore

alright that's fair

[Gypyx]

hey uh i'm really not feeling like playing right now for the record, so y'all will probably only hear from me tommorow

[Gypyx]

okay so caught up

looks like i forgot how to play mafia, i have basically no idea of anyone's alignement

ples help

[Gypyx]

VOTE: innocentvillager

I will land my vote here. He is overfocused on Datisi ignoring everything around him. It looks forced. Could it be that he is trying to avoid interactions with other players, because he doesn't feel comfortable in interactions with scum buddies.

is the fact that you just repeated what's been said previously intentional or what?

[Gypyx]

sorry to hear that

is two generally a lot of townreads for you at this point in the game? were you happy to get two townreads? sad you only had two townreads?

mmmmm don't like this post

VOTE: innocentvillager

u know im gonna ask u why

the tone felt overall pretty forced, plus it's really not the kinda questions i'm expecting to come from a solving who's scum / town mindset, just filler stuff yousee?

[Gypyx]

mmmm I think Gypyx is someone unlielig to be mafia unless he's become a very different red faec since the last time I saw him play ....

this has taken me a solid 1 minute to understeand and you should feel bad

[Gypyx]

okay so caught up

looks like i forgot how to play mafia, i have basically no idea of anyone's alignement

ples help

check your role pm

maybe it's all there

well, it says there's a traitor that i need to find still :/

[Gypyx]

yo gyp any thoughts on ico v datisi?

just the usual ico vs datisi stuff i guess

if you really need a read from it, maybe you're coming out of it very slightly townier? idk

[Gypyx]

Ftr I still suspect Alice but want to explore other options given we still have a lot of time remaining

well that just sounds like deviating the wagon with extra steps

[Gypyx]

fair, but that doesn't really require you to unvote or anything

[Gypyx]

also @you and @Ico @anyone else what cares, why is Norway town? quoting past posts is fine

Plus town points to IV here.

I was just thinking as I'm catching up from the overnight pages: "Where the hell is Norway? He was very active early on and then faded into the background once the game actually got rolling."

Don’t hit me with this shit.
I’m working a FULL TIME JOB. Dealing with children. I can’t be as active as usual. That does NOT equate scum and i’d rather just let everyone know right away that this is not how to read me in this game.

i don't liek making reads like this but honestly the sheer offense Norway took to this feels townie

You're saying scum doesn't get offended by that? 'cause i disagree

[Gypyx]

yo gyp any thoughts on ico v datisi?

just the usual ico vs datisi stuff i guess

if you really need a read from it, maybe you're coming out of it very slightly townier? idk

can you elaborate on why you think ico is townier there?

well, it's basically that i think scum is less likely to wanna like, openly make things easier for a quickhammer you see?

[Gypyx]

am i the only one who's getting the feeling that gypyx's tone feels awfully forced this game?

i'm not instantly scumbinning it because i've seen scum!gypyx and he's capable of not speaking in a way that seems this forced (and i don't exactly remember seeing such tone in his towngames either, though a bit more difficult to say from memory bc i was always scum in those) but i'm curious if anyone else is getting the same impression?

I wouldn't say forced so much as lacking any real conviction about what is happening. Still processing how I'm reading that

i noticed that, but i don't think that's what i'm talking about? i meant tone. like the "well"s and "uhh"s and "you see"s feel like weird verbal tics that i don't remember seeing form gypyx before and i'm wondering if it's a result of *something* ai or if it's just an utterly nai thing i shouldn't spend this much time on

though i do agree seeing *actual conviction* from him would be nice?

ah welp, right on point, i'm having big struggles to get involved in this game, so really, i'm doing my job, but the lack of involvement / lowkey forced tone are even pretty obvious to my own eyes

and, i think i can clarify this new posting style, i really started to write as i thought, and thought as i spoke, and so my verbal naturally show more from that
so it's not related to anything ai in me eyes

and sure, i'll try to get convicted, no guarantees

[Gypyx]

VOTE: innocentvillager

I will land my vote here. He is overfocused on Datisi ignoring everything around him. It looks forced. Could it be that he is trying to avoid interactions with other players, because he doesn't feel comfortable in interactions with scum buddies.

is the fact that you just repeated what's been said previously intentional or what?

hey @alice, still interested in the answer

[Gypyx]

I think there’s almost certainly two scum in those players and quite possibly three

Maybe Wooper as well, but I’m leaning slightly Town on him atm

George + Anya + Icon/NM is what I’m currently feeling

Any reason that ico / NM are a mutually exclusive duo or just bottom of your scumreads?

developement on Anya would also be pretty appreciated, especially cuz she hasn't strayed from her normal shitposting / memeing style

[Gypyx]

You're saying scum doesn't get offended by that? 'cause i disagree

Nah, I agree with IV. A scummy response would have been to push someone to prove them wrong.

well, look, my point was more that scum would get angry too if they were inactive for NAI reasons, there you're going from an assumption that they can actually do something about it

well, it's basically that i think scum is less likely to wanna like, openly make things easier for a quickhammer you see?

Why is that? Usually the blame is shifted to the person who hammered anyways. It seems beneficial to makes things easier for a quickhammer...?

well, just like if someone put another guy at exe-1 in a game with not_mafia, dude's still getting some heat, so facilitating hammer still feel like a fairly complicated part to me?

Well, I think VP/Norwee/Gera are town.

Datisi/Iconeum are like, constantly going at each other, I honestly think Datisi looks the best there, since it's the norm for N_M to quickhammer, and Geraint says he's quickhammering when he can lol.

N_M did the N_M introduction.


IV i'm very unsure on, Alice seems like LHF. Anya is null too.

I have some tinfoil hat theory on Luca, based off a previous game.

VOTE: Gypyx

Interesting how you naked vote me after developing on a lot of peoples

is you tinfoil town!luca or scum!luca?

[Gypyx]

Have you played with Anya scum before? Her pile on and unbreakable town read on George feel slightly ... off. But I can't tell through the posting style.

do you have any meta to detail on that?

[Gypyx]

also apparently the only way to get gera to play the game is to push his SR's or something

VOTE: george

[Gypyx]

Have you played with Anya scum before? Her pile on and unbreakable town read on George feel slightly ... off. But I can't tell through the posting style.

do you have any meta to detail on that?

No I've never played with Anya, which is why I was asking. I find her play pretty opportunistic, but in a very obvious way.

ah okay, well, i think it's pretty classic anya really, will need to take a look at stuff again though

[Gypyx]

also apparently the only way to get gera to play the game is to push his SR's or something

VOTE: george

do you scumread george? what are your reads anyway?

kinda do, not to the "kill him with fire" level but if i had a kill switch i'd press it

my reads prob go something like this :

+5 = conftown, -5 confscum
+3.5 geraintm
+2 NorwegianboyEE
+1.25 Luca Blight Wooper
+0.5 Iconeum Datisi
lol imagine having a read on Not_Mafia Anya VP Baltar
-0.5 AliceK GeorgeBailey
-1.75 innocentvillager

[Gypyx]

i kiiinda like you / ico, but i know that you're pretty good at scum these days / haven't done anything stellar so far, and let's be real my read on ico a stretch

[Gypyx]

can y'all call my name a third time so that i can post already

[Gypyx]

after 1000 years, i am free, time to post bad shit

[Gypyx]

considering you've played in and/or modded most of my recent scumgames, i'd have expected town!you to like. have more of an opinion there. maybe i'm being overly egoistical. who knows.

is there anything else on ico other than the one thing you said earlier?

well, to be fair, it's the opposite really, i know how good you are, if i didn't, i'd probably be more confident calling you town right now

otherwise on ico, him taking somewhat seriously my post 18 rolecop joke makes me think he's town, kinda

[Gypyx]

Datisi’s Town-spewing rn and I’m suspicious of Gypyx for still sitting on the fence wrt Datisi

how exactly, datisi is not playing very differently from his usual game right now

[Gypyx]

VOTE: innocentvillager

I will land my vote here. He is overfocused on Datisi ignoring everything around him. It looks forced. Could it be that he is trying to avoid interactions with other players, because he doesn't feel comfortable in interactions with scum buddies.

is the fact that you just repeated what's been said previously intentional or what?

hey @alice, still interested in the answer

day 1 of quoting this until alice replies

[Gypyx]

arguing with gypyx here requires

truthfully

trash-talking my own scumgame and i don't think my fragile ego can handle that

i doubt i'd be convinced anyways, so save your ego i'd say yea

[Gypyx]

VOTE: innocentvillager

I will land my vote here. He is overfocused on Datisi ignoring everything around him. It looks forced. Could it be that he is trying to avoid interactions with other players, because he doesn't feel comfortable in interactions with scum buddies.

is the fact that you just repeated what's been said previously intentional or what?

hey @alice, still interested in the answer

day 1 of quoting this until alice replies

No it wasn't intentional. Weird question. What's your point?

i hoped for a different answer ngl

well, not much to say here, it's probably null then

[Gypyx]

What answer were you hoping for and what would your read have been?

well, i think any other reason than that would be scum really

like, was hoping for stuff like "just wanted to show my agreement with the post" or "i also thought that independantly" (yes this one is quite similar to the answer, but i belive there's an important nuance there)

so, actually i think it's kinda townlean worthy maybe on second thoughts? like, carefree posting more often coming from town than not

[Gypyx]

i wanted to catchup more, but i'm lazy so that's coming later

[Gypyx]

the ridiculous thing is that literally no matter what Anya flips, in today’s meta I just look worse for WKing her here (even though I’m not confident about her alignment)

What is WKing?

white knighting, scum hard-defending a scummy town basically

[Gypyx]

and, never seen scum!anya, but rn that reaction kinda feels like an emulation of her towngame really

[Gypyx]

It’s not a lol vote

Anya is like at least here and sort of playing

Not mafia has not been here honestly probably +rand scum because it’s so hard to wagon NM while it was really easy to wagon anya

this isn't wrong you know

i rarely see N_M being easily wagoned tbh

[Gypyx]

hey um, this probably sounds terrible, but what's going on right now? sueling wagons between Anya / George?

[Gypyx]

hey sup, lemme get a seat and all, but motivation to play kinda came back so i should bring more content

also PGO is not normal so that can only be a vig

[Gypyx]

i'd like an explanation for why scum!you never kills datisi night 1

[Gypyx]

Imo Datisi was a mafia kill unless he visited pgo.

again, pgo is not normal

[Gypyx]

I also noted that gypyx was online dying twilight but didn’t post

[Gypyx]

oops

anyways yeah, i just couldn't bring myself to check on the game

[Gypyx]

There are exactly zero George or Anya posts between these two posts from Ico.

personal take : town are most likely to have incoherent reads like that than scum

[Gypyx]

may i interest you in a giraffe wagon anime gril ?

between other stuff, because of this recently (yeah i had the second half of this post written before)

->

we should also probably sheep Datisi btw bc he died.

@Datisi please channel your reads energy through to the main thread, maybe we'll be able to pick up on something.

this feels like the most "scum banking on a dead town's wrong reads" ngl

VOTE: innocentvillager

[Gypyx]

i do belive i'm at N_M-1 ftr also

[Gypyx]

scum!me kills wooper because??

Because he thought you and George were partners?

so

i help town kill my partner
and then i kill the town who already connected me to scum!george

that is your theory?

what is so outrageous with that plan though? it seems sound to me

[Gypyx]

i feel like ico / iv has at least 1 scum, but never 2 or more

[Gypyx]

or more

i'm a dumbass ftr

[Gypyx]

cmon, let's just get over with it and vote iv, that way you'll be able to tell us you were SR'ing iv from the start once more

[Gypyx]

If I had time i'd probably push Luca here while hiding behind wooper, but weekend vla is soonish and deadline etc

I'll take that fight tomorrow if there's a chance

This almost seems like something that was meant for the scum pt

it certainly doesn't seem like a townie mindset?

hey uh, i just realized but that's kinda taking stuff out of it's context there?

[Gypyx]

may i interest you in a giraffe wagon anime gril ?

between other stuff, because of this recently (yeah i had the second half of this post written before)

->

we should also probably sheep Datisi btw bc he died.

@Datisi please channel your reads energy through to the main thread, maybe we'll be able to pick up on something.

this feels like the most "scum banking on a dead town's wrong reads" ngl

VOTE: innocentvillager

Can I get a full reads list from you gypyx with bullet point reasons for each person ?

reminder, +5 = conftown, -5 = confscum

+3.5 geraintm - just not seeing the beahvior around his claim and beorgegailey coming from scum, plus the claim on it's own seems town to me
+1 Not_Mafia - don't buy the vig claim, but that'll sort itself so it's as a "yeah i'm willing to leave em alone for now" token
+0.75 Iconeum given he's in a 1v1 with iv and my read on iv is individually scum he's probtown, but it's hard to get a feel for what's going through ico's head, i think his play today is NAI
NorwegianboyEE
+0.1 VP Baltar - more likely town that not, but you could absolutely end up in my idk pile
0 Luca Blight - he's got good stuff (overall tone), he's got bad stuff (his PoE and what i just pointed out) so idk
-2.75 innocentvillager - explained it before, could link the posts if y'all want to

idk pile : Anya AliceK - shitposter and lhf

[Gypyx]

Considering that not-mafia is the one person i am strongly town reading now (due to claim) they would be the person i would be following with their votes, i wish they were being more active.

you're one of the first guy to express a decently high suspicion on george yet you trust not_mafia above yourself ?

kinda lol ngl

[Gypyx]

If I had time i'd probably push Luca here while hiding behind wooper, but weekend vla is soonish and deadline etc

I'll take that fight tomorrow if there's a chance

This almost seems like something that was meant for the scum pt

it certainly doesn't seem like a townie mindset?

hey uh, i just realized but that's kinda taking stuff out of it's context there?

Not really?

I literally didn't understand wtf he was talking about there, I only cut out the other stuff as I wasn't referencing that

well, they other half was *clearly* not meant for a scum PT so unless you like idk, think ico frankensteins posts in the scum pt for the lol (even though he never did that before) i have trouble seeing how you can make that point in good faith

[Gypyx]

lol you're really reaching for something to shade me with there, gypyx

What is scummy about my PoE exactly?

well, think it's pretty bad personally

but it could come from a town mindset, so that's why i'm not pushing you harder on that one there

[Gypyx]

ah, the "almost" kinda feels like malicious phrasing, but okay that's a decent explaination

sure, get to it

[Gypyx]

idk tbh, and i don't wanna think about that right now

it doesn't make sense either way

[Gypyx]

+1 Not_Mafia - don't buy the vig claim, but that'll sort itself so it's as a "yeah i'm willing to leave em alone for now" token

Wait...you think he is lying about killing wooper?

i think he's lying about being the vig

[Gypyx]

I forgot about gypyx's crumb. I may want to force him to claim today.

why tho

[Gypyx]

i also don't think ico doubles down on breaking his meta of not bussing when he did that litterally last scumgame

[Gypyx]

i do not claim i am the vig or anything

i just think not_mafia isn't the vig, and i don't get how y'all are just buying it without any second thoughts

pedit : yeah norwee gets it

[Gypyx]

@baltar alright, you got a point there, although a relatively-planned bus probably doesn't look that "improvised"? or at least it's less likely

@luca still, that's missing the point, ico has shown itself to be able to bus, he's obviously gonna be scrutinized on that this game, even if the context is different

[Gypyx]

i do not claim i am the vig or anything

i just think not_mafia isn't the vig, and i don't get how y'all are just buying it without any second thoughts

pedit : yeah norwee gets it

Also, there is the fact NM wasn't the vig target. I mean, if anyone else is the vig and shot wooper over him last night, I'm going to have shit to say post game.

i could see reasons for a vig to not want to shoot n_m, or maybe it's just a bad play, or maybe it's whatever

[Gypyx]

idk why Gypyx is randomly doubting the vig claim when all notmafia gave us was like 2 words not sure how he can be sus of that

maybe he thinks it'll make him look wacky and towny by randomly doubting a town vig claim keep at it gypyx

ah yes, as opposed to a mafia vig claim

i'm just getting fake vibeds from it, although, discussing this might not be the best thing really

[Gypyx]

and alright, so apparently y'all are entertaning that i'm a scum pr so i'll put this straight :

i'm vt

my crumb was the following :

first image is an extremely cropped verison of the "we don't do that here" meme format

second image is the image linked to the advantage item i had in aroni's marathon survivor, the item was a rock buried in a pile of snow

and don / baron are both spanish names for the thwomp, an ennemy in mario that attacks by crushing

->

it gives us "we don't do that here rock crush"

rock crush referes to giles corey, an inhabitant of the town of salem, and was quite notably the only person who was killed by being crushed by rocks as a means of torture, and as most of you probably know, town of salem is also a mafia-like game

and what is not done in town of salem? that's right, vt's, the game is constantly played as role madness, and that's therefore what the crumb points to

[Gypyx]

lol can't wait for IV to read this

why exactly?

[Gypyx]

this litterally wasn't meant to be understood

maybe mentionning there was a possibility i crumbed vt was a decent idea, idk

[Gypyx]

Actually: Gypyx, do you crumb your role in every game you play?

haven't read the rest of the thread ftr just answering that

i almost never rolled PR, and even less a PR that doesn't straight up confirm itself / needs to be claimed late, so can't really say of often i crumb, but unless i have a reason to, i don't

but this is my first time crumbing VT, wanted to try something out, hopefully attract scum's attention, that sorta stuff

[Gypyx]

can people in 2201 give me a summary of what happened there and how that affects your reads on people here? and if anyone had stuff they "couldn't talk about" bc of that ongoing game, now is the time

i didn't read the game that much tbh, but imo ico plays differently from there, and anya has some different vibes than from that game, but maybe that's cuz she was a PR there

[Gypyx]

ico is scum ? i'm s/s with ico

ico is town ? i'm coasting to have ico get exed

man, that neat

good thing ico is serial killer

pedit : sure will do, lemme finish my catchup

[Gypyx]

but this is my first time crumbing VT, wanted to try something out, hopefully attract scum's attention, that sorta stuff

What made you want to crumb VT? When did you get the idea?

a few hours after i signed up from the game, ye this is my first time

[Gypyx]

actually hmmmm

given the claim, there's a possibility for it being ico + gera

not really stuff i'd bank on, just higher odds

please

tell me more

ongoing game kinda

will explain when time comes

why does scum!gyp refer to an ongoing game to explain something? with the game over, i know he was watching my scum play in action so maybe he saw something

why does scum!gyp set up a scumread on me to later backpedal when heat turns up and i'm actually a viable misflip? he literally has every opportunity to get me here and have a justified vote on me

but instead he doubles down on defending me?

oh yeah i can explain that also !

basically, in a normal game (forgot the number) ico was planning to claim town informed who knows there's an encryptor, and this is pretty damn similar to gera's claim

considered it ongoing ongoing because i got aware of this game via datisi's notes PT in 2201

[Gypyx]

If gypyx is scum then he’s hardly a power wolf, and so such a gimmick might prove useful to him to at least help him get through the first day

i think i can play decently as scum though for the record

[Gypyx]

gypyx what are your full reads on Ico and Alice

Ico maybe being too omgus-y here, but i think otherwise his actions comes from someone doing bad stuff in good faith

Alice is a player in this game

[Gypyx]

I’ve just registered how weird gypyx’s iv read is

like he’s very noncommittal and on the fence generally, but has a decently strong SR on IV based on ??? exactly?

iv is litterally the read i've gave the most explainations for btw

[Gypyx]

gypyx what are your full reads on Ico and Alice

Ico maybe being too omgus-y here, but i think otherwise his actions comes from someone doing bad stuff in good faith

based on what?

Which actions are you referring to?

"advocating" for quickhammers

his day 2 play

[Gypyx]

I’ve just registered how weird gypyx’s iv read is

like he’s very noncommittal and on the fence generally, but has a decently strong SR on IV based on ??? exactly?

iv is litterally the read i've gave the most explainations for btw

That’s not saying much tbh

Please sum up why you Sr Iv

i'll do it in like 2 hours okay?

[Gypyx]

may i interest you in a giraffe wagon anime gril ?

between other stuff, because of this recently (yeah i had the second half of this post written before)

->

we should also probably sheep Datisi btw bc he died.

@Datisi please channel your reads energy through to the main thread, maybe we'll be able to pick up on something.

this feels like the most "scum banking on a dead town's wrong reads" ngl

VOTE: innocentvillager

look how wolfy this is

Gypyx's whole read on villager being wolf relies on a joke villager made

yeah, obviously, i'm quoting every reason for my SR on IV each time i'm voting him

[Gypyx]

gypyx what are your full reads on Ico and Alice

Ico maybe being too omgus-y here, but i think otherwise his actions comes from someone doing bad stuff in good faith

based on what?

Which actions are you referring to?

"advocating" for quickhammers

his day 2 play

His D2 play has been full of omgus which you admit could be scum indicative?

Which actions specifically are you talking about? So I know you’re not just talking out of your ass here

i... didn't admit that?

and talking about stuff like him knowing staying defensive will get him exe but still doing it

[Gypyx]

Gypyx can you at least try to give any thoughts on Alice i'm begging you here

look i litterally have no clue what alice is doing and i don't wanna bullshit a read out of my ass

also luca i'll stop replying to what you're asking right now because i don't even think that you really care

[Gypyx]

idk, you're just asking question after question when a quick check of my iso gives every answer you need i think

[Gypyx]

I want an updated summary of your Iv Sr, an iso check will not provide this. Why are you so unwilling to explain your Sr?

because there isn't much new to it recently my guy

[Gypyx]

So far all Icon has done today is say why he's not scum

I'd like to see some actual reads/thoughts soon

yeah gee i wonder how that's possible

maybe if you didn't spend every single post you make pushing me around i wouldn't feel the need to keep defending myself?

who knows really

like that one

[Gypyx]

i think it's indicative that icon is aware that being defensive is bad for him, and as scum he would've made a greater effort of not being

[Gypyx]

But scum!icon was super defensive in the scum game he just won?

way less than in this one though

plus the context was different, like, he didn't even come close to being pushed in that one

pedit : well that's maybe not the one most showing, but clearly he's said it sometime

[Gypyx]

i *will* do it luca

just that i'm in online class rn

[Gypyx]

alright so, writing that read summary

why does it feel like i'm partners with everyone lol

[Gypyx]

also, sorry for saying you don't care Luca, i just was annoyed at how the push seemed endless really

[Gypyx]

sorry to hear that

is two generally a lot of townreads for you at this point in the game? were you happy to get two townreads? sad you only had two townreads?

mmmmm don't like this post

VOTE: innocentvillager

may i interest you in a giraffe wagon anime gril ?

between other stuff, because of this recently (yeah i had the second half of this post written before)

->

we should also probably sheep Datisi btw bc he died.

@Datisi please channel your reads energy through to the main thread, maybe we'll be able to pick up on something.

this feels like the most "scum banking on a dead town's wrong reads" ngl

VOTE: innocentvillager

ummm whoops said a lot less than i thought, sorry

otherwise, there was also this from memory

I don't townread you IV.

i mean id be shocked if I ever got day eliminated in this plist so im not too worried yet

phrasing kinda made me go "what" like, just the overspecification i think

my god, this accusation from iv feels so forced

like he knows town!him would be skeptical of me because sTroNk sCumGaEm but doesn't actually know how to fake it so he's talking bullshit about me not having chronological reads

can i have one solid townread, please, that's all i ask

that actually makes sense to me thank you

i think it maybe feels forced to you because you understand what's going on in your brain a lot better than i do. I only see those two posts you made and it definitely felt like some sort of an incongruency so i wanted to make sure there was something logical going on in there. you just elaborated on a lot more than you've mentioned about this. like you can ask any other player in this game and they can tell you if they think my accusation is "forced" or not ig, i doubt many people will think so but maybe im just bad at this game idk

post written like he knows he's wrong

and just overall i don't like his tone, and like, i'm really getting vibes like i'm right but can't find the material to push on, of course this has no value for y'all but whatever

real big brain move from scum me man

WK a townie about to die

be indecisive around my 2nd biggest wagon, who is probably dying since he has actual support for getting scumread

push a town troll and pray he gets policied over my partner

wow, really great of me to put a lot of energy into this play

cmon, im not scum with anyone other than Anya here

while you're at it iv, could you say like who's what in this story

[Gypyx]

i'd be willing to do in {Alice / IV} today for the record

although imo there's like no way that's the team

[Gypyx]

also apparently the only way to get gera to play the game is to push his SR's or something

VOTE: george

I think I was meaning to ask this earlier but forgot:

gypyx, why did you maintain your vote on George even when geraint strongly opposed the George wagon, when your very reason for being on the wagon was basically to sheep geraint?

didn't have my head in the game enough at that time to consider doing other stuff really

[Gypyx]

damnit

if i get vigged tonight, i think it's worth looking at alice in a town!ico universe

Anya too

[Gypyx]

wait n_m was voting already

[Gypyx]

About gypex he was pressured to stay on GB's wagon by Luca and Datisi. Point was that he had no good reason to vote GB.

wdym pressured to stay on GB?

[Gypyx]

hey um, this probably sounds terrible, but what's going on right now? sueling wagons between Anya / George?

I just realized this was gypyx's last post of D1

and Gypyx was definitely online during twilight.

well, yeah, i made the post, saw that i was getting SR'd for it, said fuck it and decided to come back to the thread in a better mood, the mood didn't come back though

[Gypyx]

where are anyas scum buddies?

IV, you were pushing this argument D1 so I have a question for you

Who is Icon's partner here? You don't seem to think it's gypyx, so who is it, and why aren't you asking this same question now?

why is having a full solve important to you?

[Gypyx]

gypyx i think you should continue trying to evaluate me critically. i think there's more than enough content to read me at this point. i know tonal reads are hard to break down but i think you should think about why you don't like my tone and whether that's actually based on real experience from playing with me or if it's my general playstyle tone you dislike.

what anti associatives between me and Alice are you referring to btw?

i'll try sure, just that i'm pretty damn tired rn so not today

on another note, kinda wanna see where an alice wagon could go, maybe it's too late though?

[Gypyx]

Do you see why I think you're stalling for time constantly this game?

Also, why aren't you voting alice if that's what you want?

yeah i see it, and honestly, i'm kinda sorry and not sorry at the same time

welp, if there's no way it happen, might as well try to do something actually productive right?

[Gypyx]

where are anyas scum buddies?

IV, you were pushing this argument D1 so I have a question for you

Who is Icon's partner here? You don't seem to think it's gypyx, so who is it, and why aren't you asking this same question now?

why is having a full solve important to you?

It's not really?

I was pulling IV up on the fact he cared about associations wrt Anya D1 but hadn't considered it at all wrt Icon D2

fair, would've been cool if you made it more obvious

[Gypyx]

so uh

oops?

[Gypyx]

anyways, let's be real there, i shouldn't live to endgame in that situation

[Gypyx]

Interesting kill... Anyway I am a Cop and Anya is Town.

VOTE: gypyx

sus claim, kinda depending on the vig's full role but i don't advise him claiming publically

[Gypyx]

well, not sure what that NK is, probably maf thinking iv is spewed town by associatives?

[Gypyx]

i'll need to take another look at gera's early game

[Gypyx]

VOTE: geraitm

there's this also

actually hmmmm

given the claim, there's a possibility for it being ico + gera

not really stuff i'd bank on, just higher odds

please

tell me more

ongoing game kinda

will explain when time comes

why does scum!gyp refer to an ongoing game to explain something? with the game over, i know he was watching my scum play in action so maybe he saw something

why does scum!gyp set up a scumread on me to later backpedal when heat turns up and i'm actually a viable misflip? he literally has every opportunity to get me here and have a justified vote on me

but instead he doubles down on defending me?

oh yeah i can explain that also !

basically, in a normal game (forgot the number) ico was planning to claim town informed who knows there's an encryptor, and this is pretty damn similar to gera's claim

considered it ongoing ongoing because i got aware of this game via datisi's notes PT in 2201

[Gypyx]

I know you know, but in the moment such mistakes can happen

i love how the working theory is that i am some sort of scum mastermind who faked a claim day 1, then managed to get both my partners eliminated in the first 2 days and yet slip on this

still waiting to know if our cop has cleared anyone else besides ANya.

How would faking such a claim make you a scum mastermind?

It's not a bad play, but not exactly high level stuff either. It's something that could be true (although I've never seen a town informed of just a scum role before) but informed is probably the easiest fake claim scum can make.

trying something like that is way, way beyond my abilities as scum. i am bad scum and i think really obvious to spot.

it's litterally what ico's able to do though

[Gypyx]

oops sorry luca

[Gypyx]

gera : scum played bad

also gera : yo i'm not scum i wouldn't play that bad

[Gypyx]

also also gera : i'm bad at scum

[Gypyx]

how many exes do we have?

[Gypyx]

hmmm

fuck

let's hope theorize for an additional vig shot in the bag too?

cuz i got a feeling that if this ain't gera we lose

[Gypyx]

i honestly have no idea why Luca is town so could someone give bullet points on em'?

[Gypyx]

why didn't you check me?

[Gypyx]

that's fair

[Gypyx]

i hoped for the sweet release of death ngl

[Gypyx]

it was just a soft TL iirc?

otherwise i'm just not seeing anything that conforts me in the view, which is worrying, a bit

[Gypyx]

i hoped for the sweet release of death ngl

It seems strange that you'd have this mindset given we're 2/2 for limming scum so far?

Unless you're scum yourself, that is

well, get in my view for a sec, i'm town, both of my major reads last day have been horribly wrong, and i came today thinking i was at least gonna bite a bullet and not have to worry about playing

yeah we're doing good overall but still

[Gypyx]

idk, i'd be pretty pumped if i rolled a GB / Ico / Gypyx scumteam ngl

so yeah other than that idk what to say really

[Gypyx]

Where have I heard this "I don't play like this as scum" argument before?

you've literally JUST seen scum me in action

you've literally JUST seen how i try to take control of a town as scum

you've literally JUST seen how i do NOT kill datisi until late in the game as scum

and you try to sell this is my scumgame????????

no way ur this dense as town

#Town!Ico.never.does.that.

whatever

if this town needs my yeet to move on go for it

i really don't wanna keep playing this card but like

luca

you *just* played a game with scum!me
i was under a TON of pressure day 1

did i respond so badly there?
i'm not saying you should townread me for it but using it as a means to scumread me is just wrong

*pedit
reallly? i think i was super agressive, not defensive?

true, ico did it too, but first of all the argument is different, second of all there's nothing that prevents this coming from town

[Gypyx]

true, ico did it too, but first of all the argument is different, second of all there's nothing that prevents this coming from town

This is semantics. My point is that the "I would do X as scum" self meta is garbage. Self meta is garbage.

No one should do it. Ever.

i'm just denying i wouldn't be demotivated seeing what the scumteam looks like

like, that's not playstyle, i'm just arguing about who i am as a person at that point

[Gypyx]

Yeah, I am. Scum don't fight against every scum elim typically. It's usually more of a split deal with not a lot of explanation, much like what Gypyx is doing. Plus the promises always of content later!

Meanwhile, Geraint pops in here about every day with some crazy theory and no shame about it.

well, first scum elim was a dueling wagons stuff, it def makes sense for scum!gera to wanna avoid yeeting GB, and you gotta admit him wanting to not vote GB on grounds that "this is a trash wagon" is pretty sketchy

and then, on ico we're day 2 with 1 scum exed, obviously you're not gonna want to lose yet another partner

[Gypyx]

well, ico himself was the strongman, so maybe that? can't say for sure

[Gypyx]

Gypyx why did you dodge this question:

If I had time i'd probably push Luca here while hiding behind wooper, but weekend vla is soonish and deadline etc

I'll take that fight tomorrow if there's a chance

This almost seems like something that was meant for the scum pt

it certainly doesn't seem like a townie mindset?

hey uh, i just realized but that's kinda taking stuff out of it's context there?

0 Luca Blight - he's got good stuff (overall tone), he's got bad stuff (his PoE and what i just pointed out) so idk

Gypyx, I was referring to these points above

How did your read on me develop after I explained 1990 in detail and pushed Icon based on it

Do you still think I'm sus for 1990?

forgot to reply to it

i honestly thought it was nitpicky, but hey, apparently you were right on that one so it's probably fine there

[Gypyx]

so um, yeah

Cop/Shoot me tonight i think?

[Gypyx]

idk

trolling there would be rude

[Gypyx]

fuck

got any result alice?

[Gypyx]

i wish i was man

[Gypyx]

Who would it be if it’s not you?

imo depending on what alice says, could be her, otherwise i'm actually getting wary of Baltar now that i think about him? don't recall anything about him so y'know, i'll need to actually check on that part

pedit : oh hi n_m, you're 1 shot right?

[Gypyx]

alright cool, let's no yeet today then

[Gypyx]

it's not yeah

[Gypyx]

ok so what now

just exe me and hope ExeLo works?

[Gypyx]

kinda why i'm not trying to defend yup

[Gypyx]

I'm a bookend-vig, I can only shoot on night 1 and the night before 3p ELo

How does it work? You can shoot like this night if we make an elimination? Because with your shoot it is 3p, without it, it is 4p MeLo.

learn normal roles please, it doesn't take that much effort

[Gypyx]

We have even number of players. I think we should no elim today.

Actually forget about it. There is a N_M claim which can give Town additional win-con. But if there is Mafia Vig or Mafia PGO that will be sad.

READ. NORMAL. GUIDELINES.

i think i'm just gonna say that everytime someone says something blatantly wrong

also i think we should lim today so that a potential cop shot from alice gets more weight (scum can't kill both alice / her cop result if we exe today and she lives)

[Gypyx]

oh uh forget the cop thing, i'm dumb

[Gypyx]

I can go with an no lim. But it seems better to do that in Elo imo.

Yeah, sure. But Mafia could try to force a draw by not killing at P4.

standart rule is that mafia lose if they stall the game by not making kills i think

[Gypyx]

We should have limed gypyx yesterday. This was the exact situation I was trying to not be in.

My gut says Alice is too naive to be gambiting here, which means it is either gypyx or we are getting wolfed by someone like Luca or Norway. The fact Luca wasn't killed last night makes me pretty suspicious.

Anya was town either way, but also a nonthreat. I would assume killing talkative town members before limlo would be a bigger priority, and yet I'm here and so is Luca.

Well, I take those. Why Luca should be killed? It doesn't make sense for me.

Luca is a discussion driver and has been able to influence the game state. That makes him more dangerous during the day if he is town.

that's assuming he's right

[Gypyx]

that's assuming he's right

For sure, but if I'm scum, I'd think Alice and Anya are pretty swayable toward a misyeet as compared to Luca/Norway.

That being said, everyone is going to play their own mafia style I guess.

Who is your gut saying we should Lim gypyx?

depends

my gut says you, my brain says luca, and my anxiety says me

Alice / N_M / Norwee are out of the table
pick your fighter

[Gypyx]

I can go with an no lim. But it seems better to do that in Elo imo.

Yeah, sure. But Mafia could try to force a draw by not killing at P4.

standart rule is that mafia lose if they stall the game by not making kills i think

OK, that's what I wanted to know. OK. Then it is fine for me to elim today.

"scum can't stall at Exe-4"

"Ok cool let's avoid scum stalling at Exe-4"

wat

[Gypyx]

and by exe-4 i mean 4 players alive

[Gypyx]

my gut says you,

Tell me more

right my bad, just didn't feel like playing mafia for a while

basically, you are just a (decently strong) nulltown, but you were pretty in the background from what i recall, so it could be you just not pulling enough weight to protect your buds

[Gypyx]

you were pretty in the background from what i recall, so it could be you just not pulling enough weight to protect your buds

Getting called background by this one is the height of insult!

I'm pretty sure I was the first person to suggest we yeet Ico after the GB flip.

ah well, my bad on that one, just what my brain told me when "who didn't have influence"

my reads are trash anyways this game

[Gypyx]

gypyx I see you're online...any final words of wisdom?

hi yes that is me

flipping town

prob look between luca / baltar, that should do

[Gypyx]

You are not flipping town. C'mon now

well look, sometimes unfortunate things happen

[Gypyx]

nope

[Gypyx]

damnit

gg