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Post Post #100  (ISO)  » Sun May 02, 2021 4:37 pm

but simultaneously, randing multiple scum pms pretty much means you can't win the event because town has an observed ~80% wr

the two levers we can really pull without doing dynamic scoring is adjusting the wr of the setups (scumsided setups) or make scum wins 4 times more valuable than town wins i think

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Post Post #101  (ISO)  » Sun May 02, 2021 4:38 pm

It's also more of a disadvantage to lose as scum than as town

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Post Post #102  (ISO)  » Sun May 02, 2021 4:40 pm

In post 101, Infinity 324 wrote:It's also more of a disadvantage to lose as scum than as town

^^^^
Teams that rand scum more than town have less of a chance.

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Post Post #103  (ISO)  » Sun May 02, 2021 4:42 pm

Btw did winning team have any scum roles?
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Post Post #104  (ISO)  » Sun May 02, 2021 4:43 pm

Yeah bell was scum in the large normal

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Post Post #105  (ISO)  » Sun May 02, 2021 4:44 pm

also hercule was scum there too - reranded as scum.

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Post Post #106  (ISO)  » Sun May 02, 2021 4:44 pm

Guess i can’t complain about townbias then.
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Post Post #107  (ISO)  » Sun May 02, 2021 4:46 pm

its not like randing 4 town is a good way to win either tho, you'd have to win a lot of tiebreaks -theoretically

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Post Post #108  (ISO)  » Sun May 02, 2021 4:49 pm

this looks like an implosion article to write

what town/scum ratio do you want to have a chance at winning team mafia

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Post Post #109  (ISO)  » Mon May 03, 2021 12:43 am

In post 106, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Guess i can’t complain about townbias then.

I think you can in the sense that I think the balance in these games just simply doesn't account for the fact that it is much harder to win as scum than it is to win as town in team mafia.
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Post Post #110  (ISO)  » Mon May 03, 2021 12:49 am

In post 109, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 106, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Guess i can’t complain about townbias then.

I think you can in the sense that I think the balance in these games just simply doesn't account for the fact that it is much harder to win as scum than it is to win as town in team mafia.

Yeah i was playing as scum vs 28 townies, not just 7. It was hard to play scum in those conditions where dayplay can be precarious.

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Post Post #111  (ISO)  » Mon May 03, 2021 1:37 pm

I mean we don't have a huge amount of data and what we do have is kind of noisy (slightly different rules, etc) but it does suggest that the town win rate in team mafia games is somewhere in the 70s or 80s which is probably not acceptable.
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Post Post #112  (ISO)  » Mon May 03, 2021 2:15 pm

add more mafia vengefuls, clearly

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Post Post #113  (ISO)  » Mon May 03, 2021 2:54 pm

In post 59, DkKoba wrote:Meanwhile i was the only one during TM banned for toxicity xP while not being in that game
bro I didn't even get to play
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Post Post #114  (ISO)  » Mon May 03, 2021 3:09 pm

In post 113, Alisae wrote:bro I didn't even get to play


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Post Post #115  (ISO)  » Mon May 03, 2021 6:24 pm

In post 106, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Guess i can’t complain about townbias then.


You still can. The large normal was likely going to be a town win with the direction it was headed before it rerolled

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Post Post #116  (ISO)  » Tue May 04, 2021 5:27 am

In post 102, DkKoba wrote:
In post 101, Infinity 324 wrote:It's also more of a disadvantage to lose as scum than as town

^^^^
Teams that rand scum more than town have less of a chance.



Did you like our team randing 3 scum roles :mrgreen:

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Post Post #117  (ISO)  » Tue May 04, 2021 5:33 am

In post 116, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 102, DkKoba wrote:
In post 101, Infinity 324 wrote:It's also more of a disadvantage to lose as scum than as town

^^^^
Teams that rand scum more than town have less of a chance.



Did you like our team randing 3 scum roles :mrgreen:


no

neither did i like 3 replacements in my game ALL FAVORING TOWN

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Post Post #118  (ISO)  » Tue May 04, 2021 12:39 pm

I would eliminate tiebreak scoring and also allow secret alts. If anyone has an issue with a particular player, they can just blacklist mains. I think this would make TM much fairer to scum. Because with 28 players aware of meta tells, it makes it extremely difficult for scum to win. Despite that being outweighed by obviously having the advantage of being team coached.
Thing with Nancy is we just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it.

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Post Post #119  (ISO)  » Tue May 04, 2021 2:22 pm

sekrit alts sounds like a cool concept in a team mafia setting for a single theme game but id imagine allowing sekrit alts for the entire event would be annoying for most because it undermines competitive integrity a bit if not everyone is sekrit alting and if everyone is sekrit alting i mean that's a bit of a headache

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Post Post #120  (ISO)  » Tue May 04, 2021 5:48 pm

that was a long sentence

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Post Post #121  (ISO)  » Tue May 04, 2021 5:50 pm

part of mafia skill is being able to maintain your play across games and defy meta.

specifically why I am able to play very well as scum is because I am able to play against what people perceive as my scumgame and switch it up game to game when necessary.

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Post Post #122  (ISO)  » Tue May 04, 2021 5:53 pm

koba best mafia player
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Post Post #123  (ISO)  » Tue May 04, 2021 5:55 pm

In post 122, Alisae wrote:koba best mafia player

mafia(the alignment) xD

my towngame needs a lot of work :(

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Post Post #124  (ISO)  » Thu May 06, 2021 12:26 pm

In post 100, OkaPoka wrote:make scum wins 4 times more valuable than town wins i think

this seems semi-viable, based on past knowledge of Splatoon 1's Splatfest history
but care must be taken to not over-weight it
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