Micro 1007: Chess Mafia Game Over!

[Virgo]

Hi.

[Virgo]

Okay well that was an easy skim.

[Virgo]

I'm not interested in the chess playing either, really. Just want to solve or whatever.

[Virgo]

Bugspray I'm reaching out. Hold my hand. Let's powersolve.

[Virgo]

And solve? Or just hold hands.

[Virgo]

VOTE: Andante

E-2 I think with Koba moving vote.

[Virgo]

I'm so jealous of the handholding

I have two hands!

[Virgo]

Yep.

[Virgo]

Bugspray if I wanted to pocket you I promise I would either go over the top or way more subtle.

Hand holding is a neutral. A Safe Move.

[Virgo]

(And I'm scared of rejection too.)

[Virgo]

I'm sorry Bugspray. I'll ask to see your ankles like, in three dates.

Andante, doesn't that seem pretty shallow of a scum mindset for this to you?

[Virgo]

UNVOTE:

Andante feels towny for dwelling on all this.

[Virgo]

I'm an obligatory Hectic alt.

[Virgo]

Andante, do you have a lot of experience playing mafia?

[Virgo]

Whoops.

Back to wanting to vote Andante after thinking about it a bit.

I feel like their initial response wasn't as emotional, but when they saw people reacting positively? towards it, they hammed it up a bit and I dunno what to make of town doing that. It doesn't seem like a "just for fun" sort of emoting.

[Virgo]

Sorry, this is a lot of quotes, and maybe I'm thinking too much into this, but I don't know if Andante's emotional reaction is genuine because I don't get a sense of panic in the initial moments, it's more, "okay how can I throw this onto someone else to get the votes off" and then it morphs into this weird ATE which at first I thought was like... fine, because Andante going on and on seems like an offended townie sort of mindset, but after thinking on it a bit I don't really like it that much -- and yes I'm well aware that this is like, a lot to go into this early so I'm not married to killing someone based off of this sort of perception alone but it feels wrong to me, just in how it progressed tonally.

Spoiler:

bruh... yall just threw me on E1 like that?

I'm feeling like Isis scum here

no like, it's not even RVS, Isis threw the vote on me, knowing I'd be getting closer and closer to a lim, I'm town, not scum, so we're not gonna be limming me

I tr bugspray and Koba. perfect question from bug to isis, and Koba flipping the vote when yall are trying to speed wagon me, feels really towny to me

>too wholesome

as yall just tried to speed yeet me. yeeting me isn't wholesome

To:

Spoiler:

ahhhh idk, my reading process is weird!!! I'm just not scum, but when yall make me panic, I lose all thought

I mean, 2 votes on me will make me panic, e2?? riip

I double checked, I think I'm right.

Why did you panic?

cause im town and wanna play?? don't wanna be first out...

Let's get all votes off of Dargon peep for a half hour?

lol it's ok!! I'm not like e2 or whatever anymore!!

if im first out, im crying lol

VOTE: Andante

[Virgo]

Three because Pooky likes his 3's.

[Virgo]

Mmm.

[Virgo]

Why are you uninterested in defending yourself?

[Virgo]

You didn't say that -- but you didn't say anything about, arguably, the biggest/most content-heavy case made against you so far.

[Virgo]

Because, I would assume that town would want to reach out to someone if they're wrong on them in an attempt to explain -- you're assuming that I'm not going to speak with you.

[Virgo]

Virgo

Like, before this is the only interaction towards me, and you've not expressed any sort of read. So what is the assumption with me making a case and voting you, in your mind?

[Virgo]

I expect you to understand that I just said that /I/ made what is probably the most content-heavy post, not you.

[Virgo]

Why are you not as bothered at being at E-2 as you were the first time?

[Virgo]

To me, the reason I specifically asked why you were uninterested: from what I've seen so far, I believed that your reply would /care/ more that someone who you had thanked before to unvote you, was now voting you. That feels more in line with how you've behaved and not a "I'll just ignore it" sort of attitude.

[Virgo]

You've interacted with others, yes.

[Virgo]

But then why get more emotional about it /later/ than you did at the start when you first posted?

[Virgo]

I am saying that there is a dissonance (from my perspective) in the progression of your emotions, and the conclusion that I come to from that is that you're /acting/ and forcing them rather than them being natural to what's happened.

[Virgo]

FAM. THE GAME JUST STARTED, WHAT KIND OF CONTENT DRIVEN READ DO YOU EXPECT FROM ME??? Amy literally just entered - terrible entrance I must say

there's enough content to have a content driven read right now, you're just deliberately ignoring it

This is why we're holding hands.

[Virgo]

the motivation behind virgo's push on me doesn't feel towny.... but ok :/

Why not? What is not towny about it...? Is it just the fact that I'm pushing you?

This wouldn't have been as big of a thing for me if you hadn't tried to ignore it.

[Virgo]

YOU established that Raya -- who is this collective 'we'? I notice how you're trying to frame it as a like, weird perceived town vs. me thing.

I thought that initially Andante was towny for reasons I touched on, and then explained why I thought otherwise.

[Virgo]

But why are you taking it at face value. Saying it was 'established' is trying to make it out to be a hard fact.

[Virgo]

You're missing the point if you think that, at the core, my only concern is that Andante was panicked.

I care more about the order in which those emotions were expressed, and why certain ones were expressed after that incident.

[Virgo]

Oh, so you aren't reading what I'm saying about your behavior being scummy, I see.

Yet again, I will spell it out: the issue is not your panic but the timing of it, and how you expressed your emotions in-thread.

[Virgo]

(And I personally wouldn't.)

[Virgo]

I'm just going to assume you're being intentionally obtuse right now in an effort to try and get people to assume things about my case.

[Virgo]

you’re mad I called Isis scum, please share where isis was towny. I’d love to see it

Please quote where I was mad because you called Isis scum, thank you -- and no, me using that quote was not that. Me using that quote was demonstrating the dissonance in your "panic" and actual posting.

[Virgo]

Like, quite frankly I just see what you're doing and at a certain point, to use your own thoughts, there are other people here I could be speaking to.

You just can't refute what I'm saying so you're misrepresenting it in the basest forms, which is thankfully easy to point out.

[Virgo]

you’re mad I called Isis scum, please share where isis was towny. I’d love to see it

Please quote where I was mad because you called Isis scum, thank you -- and no, me using that quote was not that. Me using that quote was demonstrating the dissonance in your "panic" and actual posting.

you said I was trying to deflect the wagon, which I wasn't so carry on.

Quote it.

[Virgo]

AH, I see what you mean now.

[Virgo]

So, in that case then, why isn't you pointing out how someone else is sus trying to get traction off of you as quickly as you could?

Furthermore, if you were panicked, how panicked where you to where you could make natural observations/thoughts like that instead of like, lashing out at everyone around you? I would assume that's more 'panic' than sorting neatly x/y/z.

[Virgo]

Raya's scum, she's setting up an us/them mentality against me, lmao.

[Virgo]

virgo, when do you wanna actually try and find scum? or are you literally going to tunnel me forever? Koba just said something about Raya, you don't also wanna comment on it?

Raya's scum, she's setting up an us/them mentality against me, lmao.

Lol.

[Virgo]

Like, if you're town right now, you're doing all of the things that I would expect scum to do quite frankly: try to ignore, and when called out you're being flippant/"I'm town" blah blah, "you're wrong,", and it doesn't feel like you from the start were willing to engage me in any sort of ""good faith.""

[Virgo]

Like you explicitly assumed that I am not going to engage/listen to you at all, and said "nah I'm just gonna talk to other people" which is a weird reaction after you did a little reach out 'thank you' to me for unvoting you.

It's like you're already in a defensive mindset of hyping up people who agree with you and shutting down those who don't.

Which is either scum, or town who should give people around them a little credit to be wrong /if you are town./

[Virgo]

tr virgo

Wig.

[Virgo]

Can someone other than virgo/koba show up lmaoo I'm done with talking to virgo who is just deathtunneling me...

Read: Andante knows they cannot keep up with the pace that I am questioning them in a natural way and is trying to divert away from having to do so.

[Virgo]

no, it's just pointless, you're just going in circles, and not considering that anything I say might come from town. go ask your new friend koba how to read me

What have you given me that actually makes you town here other than defensiveness and an unwillingess to engage with my points other than 'nope nope didn't do that'?

[Virgo]

Literally just attempts to ignore me, to get me to go away, to turn my focus elsewhere when I haven't a reason to do so.

[Virgo]

I actually find it curious that you're not voting me either, and at best you've said that this push isn't town motivated.

I think that scum are more likely to default to calling something deathtunneling/etc than doubling down. They fear being called out for OMGUS, etc.

[Virgo]

Koba, you think that Raya's the flagbearer here?

[Virgo]

Hum.

[Virgo]

I don't know if I'm tunneled or not, but it's absolutely grating how Andante's perception of the game feels like "protected me/is on my side" is inherently 'good', off of things like "unvoted me on an early wagon" when in reality like, an early wagon like that never goes through and I'm still baffled by all the emotional processes there.

[Virgo]

ok so I have no idea how to go about making reads in this, ahhhhh tbh I have no clue. and this sucks. the chess stuff isn't helping anything, and I'm trying to sit here like "ok, who do I tr if I can't find SRs" and only tr coming to mind is raya, I really liked raya not hopping on my wagon, and actually seeing my side of that. ahhh ok late night this probably isn't gonna work :/ it's about to be 9pm bedtime lmao I think best in the mornings, but like, I don't even know if I'll view this differently. idk if I'm sold virgo is town, I'd need to actually read all their posts to see if I sr it, but I'm falling asleep. ok bye. I'll see yall tomorrow.

Like, I read stuff like this, and it really feels like scum struggling to form natural reads versus lost town? There's a difference to me usually, and I just don't feel it right now.

Adding in the additional 'ahhh' 'tbh' 'idk' stuff, narrating what they're doing -- it all feels like filler, and the only way that Andante seems to be able to ground reads is in connection to them which doesn't feel like... solving? It's not bigger picture.

And I still think it strange that they haven't gotten to a stance on me yet. Maybe it's good that they're at least considering if they scumread me or not but also strange they haven't... read what I'm saying when pushing them...

That being said: there's a part of me that thinks Andante actually leans slightly towards town for how other people are rallying around them? Like, behaviorally there is a chance they're just ticking every single box that makes me scumread someone and I'm being too harsh, and I didn't like how Raya/Flow were acting around them. It feels more like scum trying to take sides in a potential TvT than Andante having a scum agenda, IDK.

I'm convincing myself of this the more I type it out.

[Virgo]

Also: the vote from Isis wasn't bad, maybe I'm leaning too much into 'too scummy to be scum' but even then I don't think it was scummy. Naked vote, sure, but I don't think that a vote that early on is opportunistic when the town has like, zero information. It's just contributing to a wagon.

[Virgo]

Virgo, you are honestly getting on my nerves here with how you're nit picking everything I say. literally stop

Don't... play mafia, if you don't want people to read into your posts? Lmao.

[Virgo]

Like, that's just the game. Not my problem if you don't like it. /shrug

[Virgo]

My heart just told me that if Isis is scum she's probably the flagbearer but I'm holding her hand and I don't think she's really scummy, just quiet.

[Virgo]

(I think that the correlation between quiet = flagbearer miiiight be the key or something in that situation if I am wrong, shrug.)

[Virgo]

Yes.

But I don't think that she's scum, currently -- it's more of a tangential thought than one I'm putting a lot of stock into right now.

[Virgo]

That being said: there's a part of me that thinks Andante actually leans slightly towards town for how other people are rallying around them?

I'm leaning towards this. I think town!Andante genuinely sees those protecting them or whatever to be in good faith and easily townreads people who do that

The implication was that I think scum are rallying around Andante more than town, most likely.

[Virgo]

What a headache this has become.

[Virgo]

It's hard discerning whether or not the king claim is real because it feels very much like one of convenience, regarding the bulletproof -- that isn't Andante's fault if she is the actual white king, but I don't know how I feel about our king being protected against a dayshot.

Like, what does it accomplish? The scum finds the king, shoot, and then they try to... get them elimmed? Force it basically into LYLO where town tries to vote out black king or they get instashot tomorrow...?

[Virgo]

But like, I don't know, are we just playing some reskinned version of Assassins in the Palace if there isn't something else added into this, lmao?

[Virgo]

I think what makes me feel like, gross about it is the fact I'm unable to discern whether or not Andante getting all heated about someone CCing the as rolefishing for a real king or not, sort of deal.

[Virgo]

But it's not like it's gonna resolve today or whatever.

[Virgo]

What's Isis's motivation for claiming the dayshot by the way, if she's scum?

[Virgo]

Man, I just find the concept of a king with a BP so weird, like.

You're king, outting when you're wagoned, sure. That's fine and I get it but why out the vested part after knowing there's a dayvig like that? You don't know their alignment, etc.

[Virgo]

I was trying to play off not knowing the gun stuff, I'm literally our vested white king. so I'd appreciate not being voted out unless we want the game to end right here. T3/Amy likly shot Koba, that's a direction for 1 scum. I feel like scum's gun could recharge daily? or each member has 1 shot. either way, we don't have much time left

So, to clarify, Andante -- did you know about the daygun mechanic before everyone else...?

[Virgo]

Unlimited 1-shot. What.

[Virgo]

This is intent to hammer. Claim please.

[Virgo]

Damn, flagbearer?

[Virgo]

Sorry, WIM was low this game as it was in several. Wasn’t around at the end to intervene. GG all.