And why am I the only one getting this reaction? Why is Ydrasse not getting this reaction from you? Or the large number of players that appear stumped? I actually have a vote down. How do you know what other player really intend to do? Like this inconsistent behavior and just shading of me exclusively about stuff you should be pinning others on is annoying to say the least.
A wagon on Cakez actually went through without the vote of the player they most aggressively tunneled in me? Either all of you can magically read me perfectly, and SirCakez is in fact Scum that was trying to push me aggressively, or Scum are taking advantage of a bad tunnel by a player to get rid of Town. My guess? The latter.
And it happened against a slot that wasn’t even in the group that actually went through and didn’t win the game? What was this supposed to find out? Whether Cakez can find Scum at an above average rate, or whether when they’re poorly focused they’re Scum? I’m really not sure. We had a lot of information, but we didn’t really use it when trying to sort Cakez and in fact I already pointed out that they’re one of two slots I think of voting for a Team that they weren’t on. If I remember correctly. So if they flip Town, it tells us what exactly? Not much of anything as far as I can tell.
I expect Cakez to flip Town, and for their perspective to get hijacked to push me. That would be my guess for tomorrow. But maybe I’m being overly negative.
You guys do realize that the wagon that executed Cakez was the same Team that was submitted for a victory ex-me right, with the addition of Infinity (and it’s an overlap of the Team Ydrasse picked).
I don’t want to be overly confrontational but despite being horribly tunneled by SirCakez for a large portion of the game, I still managed to avoid voting there in the end, calling them Town. Instead, the Team Ydrasse picked, which we know contains Scum, ended up replicating itself on SirCakez (excluding me!). And now we think it’s a good idea to let them debate who
outside
of the SirCakez wagon should get executed? Like at some point this becomes a bit farcical.
In post 1579, Ydrasse wrote:flea, what's your progression on andres...? or better yet where, quote it for me?
i don't see anything obvious that explains why he no longer gives you overwhelmingly bad feelings
And we’re letting this fly? So Ydrasse thinks that I am the more reasonable execution after how yesterday went down? It’s really ridiculous that at this stage some of you would entertain this. And the reason being that Ydrasse, what, never executes Sha or something? It’s a joke.
Like if we don’t execute amongst {tris, Ydrasse, Alisae}, then we’re not thinking about the game in any way that makes any sense. One of them is Scum almost always. The Scum have not played with any urgency. That much is obvious to me. So, it implies that the Scum were either picked for both Teams or had a leadership position. If you all want to execute Pooky then we might as well just give up now.
Alright who is Scum then. Because so far this game there’s a whole lot of poo-pooing going on but when it comes down to vote the wrong person gets executed and the wrong Team makes it through. Like enough is enough already. Stop waiting until the last minute to actually make a push and commit to something already.
In post 1630, Flea The Magician wrote:ya know something, Andres has played with me before, they know I'm a weird ass player, anyone who knows me knows I'm freaking weird.
VOTE: andres
And my hunting and solving is getting better.
What does this have to do anything? So you’re self-proclaimed weird. Okay, and what does that have to do with anything?
You all keep softing that you want to vote me, that I could be Scum, but it doesn’t make any sense. I’ve been suspected by everybody and I have clearly no allies. And what, you think I executed the one player at night that had come around on my slot and thought I was Town, and left all of you behind? Do you make me for an idiot?
In post 1624, Ydrasse wrote:i didn’t say anything about you being the more reasonable execution and you’re trying to make it out like me asking flea where a progression is on you when fae dropped your name from their poe is me saying “kill him”
This is bullshit. You’re not just asking for someone’s progression. Your phrasing clearly indicates that you want to understand if Flea no longer Scum Reads me,
because you still do
. Or am I wrong on that? The way you asked it isn’t simply trying to understand Flea’s perspective. You are also signaling what you think.
do you not think that anyone would find it strange that flea went from scumreading you and outright calling you toxic/bad vibes
to not having you in a poe without offering a why
REGARDLESS OF MY READ ON YOU
do you literally not see how that’s weird regardless of your alignment
But you only would think to highlight if you think I deserve to be in the POE. If you thought circumstances or information merited a change, that’s not what you would be focused on.
In post 1641, Ydrasse wrote:holy fuck no i wouldn’t i’m literally telling you that me asking was independent of what i thought of you because fleas current stances didn’t match up with past ones given how obvious flea was with faes past opinions of your posting
This doesn’t square with you having a solve that was literally just me and no one else was even remotely suspicious. So what’s your stance now then?
In post 1641, Ydrasse wrote:holy fuck no i wouldn’t i’m literally telling you that me asking was independent of what i thought of you because fleas current stances didn’t match up with past ones given how obvious flea was with faes past opinions of your posting
This doesn’t square with you having a solve that was literally just me and no one else was even remotely suspicious. So what’s your stance now then?
In post 1641, Ydrasse wrote:holy fuck no i wouldn’t i’m literally telling you that me asking was independent of what i thought of you because fleas current stances didn’t match up with past ones given how obvious flea was with faes past opinions of your posting
This doesn’t square with you having a solve that was literally just me and no one else was even remotely suspicious. So what’s your stance now then?
clearly it’s “i don’t fucking know” and you’re making it really hard to actually try and engage when you’re sitting there going “look guys i was right i was the real solver” and then REFUSING TO ENGAGE WITH ME IN GOOD FAITH
Ah NOW I’m the one not engaging in good faith.
You all had a bad solve and put a shit vote down yesterday but I’m to blame. And now you’re reverting back to the “I don’t know” thing that got SirCakez executed quickly towards the end of the day.
Let me guess what’s going to happen, and let’s see if it plays out. You’re going to pretend to be angry at me for not “engaging your perspective” or some other nonsense, even though so far I haven’t actually been that off in terms of what I’ve been wanting to do and what I’ve said, and then when I flip Town you’ll blame me for being “confrontational” and “toxic”. But it really should be obvious that there’s a core group of players here getting away with not putting in any work, and really being super vague about what they want to do, until it’s convenient to reveal.
In post 1656, Ydrasse wrote:i literally don’t think you’re toxic and i said as much earlier and you’re refusing to like, fuck, give me a chance here and all i’ve seen you do is push this narrative against me when i’m literally doing the opposite andres
When literally the entire game pushes you as Scum, then you’ll finally understand why I’m frustrated to still have people think it’s rational to put votes down on me (like Flea) or even bother to ask too much from the slots that have not been driving the game. One of those on the SirCakez wagon that made it into the original Team has to be Scum. We know this. So I would definitely like some of you to spend time actually thinking about that instead of attacking me for once.
The problem is you aren’t saying anything. You don’t want to put anything in writing.
I’m not asking you for a solve. Fuck if I know who is Scum here. But I am asking you to think more critically. We need a bright light to shine on {tris, Alisae}. And well, you. Infinity to a lesser degree since they were excluded from the Team that was submitted. And the only way we’re going to figure out who is driving this bus is by probing there. Asking Flea for their progression on me seems really worthless.
In post 1664, Ydrasse wrote:gun to head i think pooky is the most likely to be scum, and alisae the least; this is going off of memory and not rereading
If Ydrasse is Town, your first solve makes a lot of sense.
Ydrasse was the first player to be picked for leader. If you scrutinize the vote for Sha 77 (who we now know is Town), you’ll notice that tris and Infinity voted as a block for tris to be the second leader. If you think that the Scum wanted to have some say in who made it into the Teams, then you might have seen some incentive to try and direct it towards one of the Scum. But then they both made it into both Teams, so it stopped mattering who was excluded, which might explain the way the game felt so stale.
In post 506, Infinity 324 wrote:Ydrasse how confident are you that hectic is town? His posting has been pretty good but the idea of healing someone who's supposed to have a good scum game but I haven't seen it makes me queasy. I prefer healing tris
In post 1671, tris wrote:i don't understand why you keep doing this thing where you immediately get pessimistic about things, like when you were acting like you were inevitably going to be excluded even tho there were a bunch of people who townread you. including me.
I didn’t think I was immediately going to get excluded. But the conversation was definitely trending in that direction. And just a part of me felt like the whole thing was a waste of time.
In post 514, Sha 77 wrote:Yeah, I agree, Flea. If you're scum, you just haven't really bothered to do anything and this isn't a gambit where you're hoping people will somehow heal your uncaring attitude, that just seems so unlikely to actually happen.
Is being lazy really a towntell for you though? Every game I've seen of town!you you've done those KAMEHAMEHA walls pretty early
Means the game isn't moving fast when I'm not occasionally checking in. Like 1 page has passed...
HEAL: Sha 77
And if Flea was aligned with say tris, who was the subject of a consistent push for leader from Infinity, then they don’t have to do this, right?
In post 873, Infinity 324 wrote:I think andres is town and I'm not convinced hectic believes this push
I’m thinking of sheeping you and voting to exclude Alisae, see what that does.
Probably shouldn't do that, I've been a bit disengaged and still trying to figure stuff out
In post 884, Infinity 324 wrote:I'm ok with excluding pooky too, though my gut is telling me not to
And they both stayed out of the main fights occurring as to who to exclude between Sha, SirCakez, Alisae, Ydrasse, and me. Alisae was clearly outraged at Cakez, and Ydrasse was at least pushing a view, not pretending to not care or know what the hell was going on.
In post 1348, Sha 77 wrote:tris has left less and less of an impact on me as the game's gone on, and that could be scum feeling burnt out on earlier effort, it is a lot harder to maintain that effort when you have to LIE and DECIEVE.
From re-reading, I’m vibing with this conclusion basically.
If Pooky is Town also, then tris/Infinity are excellent choices for an execution. And since tris was in the Team that went through and didn’t win, I think that’s probably the best vote.
In post 1710, tris wrote:how do you mean stayed out? i commented on stuff in there and came to the conclusion that you were town. it was just that alisae was being confusing to me there
You weren’t particularly pushy about any point of view. Yeah you expressed I was Town. But you also said that you could vote me, and left that door open at a different time. So you clearly didn’t think too much of the fact that a TR of yours was getting all kinds of pressure.
In post 1717, Flea The Magician wrote:Me being self-proclaimed weird means jack, other players having that knowledge means hey I'm a bit of weirdo (and frankly, we're proud of that -D) and people have said repeatedly apparently I'm a wildcard. You saying I'm weird, means naff all as a result. It's a straw grab.
This is just... oy. I haven’t pushed you for being weird have I? So how is it a straw grab? In this game, I’ve voted you for leader, and then said I don’t have a sense for what you are, and I’m pretty sure I’ve never voted for your execution. So what is it that you’re trying to say exactly? Because as far as I can tell, it’s not much of anything.
In post 1718, Flea The Magician wrote:Progression of reads based on the play can be a damning tell. On me it's hit and miss, but my read is consistent at least on my end, I may not be conveying it well but that's because bias is a butt.
So which is it? You’re attacking me for making the comment while acknowledging that it’s useless on you. So, I’m right? I can’t tell.
In post 1210, tris wrote:i'm actually leaning towards an andres vote right now believe it or not
Yes you did.
no this is the next day, you had been talking about the previous day
And this is factually incorrect. I clearly said “at a different time”. And frankly, what’s the big difference between D1 and D2 in your mind? Nobody died between those two days, so functionally they’re basically the same. Or at least in my mind they blend in together.
In post 1744, tris wrote:at the start of day 2 however, there was that bit where it seemed like you had reverted back to opinion you earlier had forgetting that you had updated it, but when you clarified, i saw that that wasn't the case, and went back to townreading you
I’m going to express the same surprise Cakez expressed my way when they say my 180 on Alisae after they had voted me out of what seemed to be apathy. You felt I was strongly Town but you warmed up to a vote on my slot over a strategic set of posts you misread? Why not wait until we talked about it?
And either one of you is partnered with them. I don’t see an alternative. There’s always one in {Ydrasse, Pooky}, and whoever it isn’t (given the dynamics at play here), is always partnered with Flea. Unless this is beautiful theater and you’re both Scum. Which I don’t see being the case but who knows.
Wait I’m forgetting Infinity. But nobody seems to think Infinity is Scum and I’ve been yelled at repeatedly for suggesting it so if they are you can fuck off dead thread.
Pooky but you’re not saying anything. Nobody is. Who has any beliefs about who it even is? Why is no one even pushing for a solution? It’s baffling.
The only reason I’m not doing it is because I’ve been basically consistently wrong on the Scum, but I do plan on re-reading and perhaps offering some thoughts tonight.
