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Anastasia said about 2 town cops. Maybe a traitor here - Ana/Windows.

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Windows was listening to her. The moment when he changed his vote from Enchant to Cabd.

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Windows is more obvious scum than nero.
And std is more obvious than windows.

Why Anya? I think that this a key. Lets discuss it.
Im almost sure that she was a big problem for smb.
My bet - after t3 elimed she could be a head pain for windows.

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I dont think that mafia was seeking in her corpse important role. More looks like she could cause troubles.
Anya's msin targets: kitty, anastasia and bloodhail. And also windows in the middle of the game, when she agrees with samantha about windows.

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Btw
Babysitter can repeat the same target every night.
I guess everybody know it here, but if not, you can check it in mod's pm by yourself.
So, Etine, you can honestly and with no problems for town say to us which target you was babycarrying. And you can protect this target next night again if you want

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As i remember cabd only once placed std in green readlist.
Before and after that during their dialog they were scumreading each other, no?

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Cabd who do you think is scum?

Nero, look on this dialog. Beginning from this message. And pay attention when std started it (messages above it; exactly in the moment when kerset agrees with xp about t3 is traitor). There std tries to refocus the attention of town from t3 to cabd, he bagan caps locking (again). And cabd says "weird angle man".

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@bloodhail can you vote for Nero please? I have seen Koba [WindowsXP] make mechanically wrong arguments before it doesn’t make them Scum. They’re one of the best at understanding game flow and have an incredible gut for finding Scum to be totally honest. I don’t want them gone, and I don’t trust shit Vasex is saying. Not because I think they’re Scum mind you. They were just wrong yesterday and they’re probably wrong today.

U dont trust me, but do you trust everything what says samantga about dkkoba? She is pretty sure

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Your reaction on dkkoba post is the same for example

is it bad that i wanna say i wanna sheep vasex today and like basically make them town leader like i fucking trust this dude to be town 100% and they are putting in effort i am unable to really put into a large game like i hate sorting 20 other people LOL

this is mafia bookmark this post

vasex u got prior mafia experience? i can like really feel it - like i legit would like nom u for rising star for just your play this far regardless of your alignment you're playing dominantly and very cool

What. The. Fuck.

Okay. Replace Samantha with XP in my group.

Btw you forgot that you replaced samantha in your group of scummies by....... dramatic pause..... dkkoba!

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So ignore 2176. I’m feeling better about XP [Koba] as I read the game more. Unless Kitty is Scum of course

Ah, ok

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That’s also why a wagon built on you after T3 started attracting a lot of attention again

Windows started this wagon

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I would gamble my life in this game that Cabd is Town, that Nero’s push is shit.

what about anastasia?
anastasia is even more than anyone sure, that cabd is scum.
and cabd thinks anastasia is scum. he is sure about that too

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VOTE: STD

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is it bad that i wanna say i wanna sheep vasex today and like basically make them town leader like i fucking trust this dude to be town 100% and they are putting in effort i am unable to really put into a large game like i hate sorting 20 other people LOL

this is mafia bookmark this post

agree

none of the people i want to vote have more than 1 vote it's very sad

kitty anastasia nero almost50

dunnstral could be in the chimney

VOTE: Andres

i've never seen someone make a tommorow night promise and then keep it so here's a vote in advance for breaking it

this is if not to focus on most obvious of her srs like anastasia, kitty and bloodhail
though idk maybe here it is normal to shoot in direct enemies, like anastasia or bloodhail kills anya just as an enemy

this is the only 100% townie we have

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i think std is done

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I think I'm starting to think, that Nero is town and he is right about Andre and Window,
though it looks like Nero wasn't right about DGB and Cabd, but im totally not sure

but look

is it common style of play for Andre to not read the game and to complain about that all the time?

This is going to have to wait until tomorrow night. But I will finish reading come hell or high water.

This is going to have to wait until tomorrow night. But I will finish reading come hell or high water.

deadline is approaching - your excuses grow thin

This is going to have to wait until tomorrow night. But I will finish reading come hell or high water.

deadline is approaching - your excuses grow thin

I’m not producing excuses - I’m saying what I’m going to do. And I already provided most of my thoughts. So you can scrutinize my opinions if you want.

VOTE: Andres

i've never seen someone make a tommorow night promise and then keep it so here's a vote in advance for breaking it

when he promised to finish reading, windows and anya both attacked him for this, he didn't talk after that..... than Anya dies. Ouch.
Now he continues talking about that problem with just reading a fucking game.
And windows now is ok with that about Andre without Anya.
Reminder: the night lasted two real days, you didnt read anything, Andre? You didnt read samantha and others? Have you finished the previous day? Too much typing in mafia chat, huh?
For a man who always complains that he reads not much you have too much confidence to consider someone a scum.
And you avoid killing t3. I noticed that, making an analysis of the day end.

This is Andre now:

@bloodhail can you vote for Nero please? I have seen Koba [WindowsXP] make mechanically wrong arguments before it doesn’t make them Scum. They’re one of the best at understanding game flow and have an incredible gut for finding Scum to be totally honest. I don’t want them gone, and I don’t trust shit Vasex is saying. Not because I think they’re Scum mind you. They were just wrong yesterday and they’re probably wrong today.

U dont trust me, but do you trust everything what says samantga about dkkoba? She is pretty sure

I have Samantha in my pool of Scum which I revealed yesterday. No I don’t trust everything Samantha is saying,

but I haven’t had the time to read them more carefully

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Look in games this large, finding the lowest denominator for Scum isn’t super hard. That’s what I did with T3. That’s why I don’t have a solve -

I need to look more carefully. The volume of posts in this game is just too much to pay attention to every little detail.

But the person with the most Partner Equity is Nero. That’s why they need to go.

I would gamble my life in this game that Cabd is Town, that Nero’s push is shit. I’m also fairly certain that Vasex you’re Town. That’s also why a wagon built on you after T3 started attracting a lot of attention again.

I need to find the time to look at those developments more carefully to find other Scum, and just read the game see what pings.

But even A50 backtracked on me because of how ridiculous they look after reading my ISO.

Look you do whatever you want.

I will at some point over the next several days read this damn game. So maybe stop spamming it.

But I’m telling you, Nero is Scum.

@Vasex

I would really appreciate it if you didn’t spam the thread. There is such a thing as posting too much. I can’t read everything you write I don’t have the time.

VOTE: Andresvmb

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Scums: Windows, Andre, STD. A50 maybe too, but not in priority.

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Why am i scum?

defending t3, trying to kill me after trying to pocket me, and you are very possible partner of andre now
you are almost the only one who tried to save t3 starting last vagons in different directions or jumping in others (other possible partners with the same moves are improved now - dgb, anya)
you didnt see the message of enchant, pretending kinda drunk
i believe samantha much
and your mark-scum is also should be town now (anya said he is town). many mistakes. targeting the newbie cop to a townie. many.

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if you think he is then at least explain t3 moving his vote to him first

why it cannot be bussing? windows tried to help t3 but andre tried to help him in other way - not voting. though he promised to read, promised to be in the game. i believe that anya was also killed because of that, to make it easier for andre to push shit about absense of time to read the game even during the game night etc.
i believe in laziness. i dont believe in time explanation

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when andre didn't vote t3 he made much bigger mistake, than a50, for example

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windows looks town
andres looks town
nero looks town

scum
t3 looked town to you too
anything changed after that?
no
again vote cabd lol

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std, you will be elimed this day, i promise you

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windows scum
andres scum
std scum

i almost solved this easy game

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anastasia maybe a traitor

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kerset,
you should hear me: windows, andre and std are scums. 3 scums. you can be not agree with that, but this is truth. they killed Anya and tried a bit to save t3. think about it.

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see, std? u will be elimed today. u feel it?

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3588 is a good catch

andre is so classic mafia with numerous problems of reading and excuses, windows has them too

you should think about 3602

there were everything in my previous game , im a bad example

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Rathe, look at all connections between dunn and std in their isos. Dunn srs STD the whole game, but Std is just trying to avoid it and ignore it. If u read it deeply, u can find mafia between them.

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directed at everyone except kerset. Ur doing great and glad they didnt n1 u

Ur doing great voting her townie
And not her scum std

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directed at everyone except kerset. Ur doing great and glad they didnt n1 u

attaching yourself to kerset won't make us lynch him later

A)we dont use lynch here
B) im fucking town and you can't read me

B) why you are talking with her like with town?

People I am wanting to vote in:

STD, Etine, CabD, Samantha97

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STD probably

what he has done?

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do you townread them?

maybe
please tell me why std is the scummiest person for you now?
it is easy to say it honestly if you are not making a lie right now

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i have no more questions, your honor

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the anastasia is hell

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too easy game

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i hard claim town

Solid town
Xp and Andre made a huge mistake, attacking you today

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And the most fatal mistake - to consider each other townies

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Dunn is town, because Andre is scum.

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Well, if xp, std, andre are mafia and a50 is a traitor, there is nothing to do here, so easy
Maybe Anastasia remains if smth is wrong.

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I definitely wont be ignored till the end of the game no matter im alive or not, if every of you flips scum one after another. You already dont have the way to win this game. Mathematicly.

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You’ve already demonstrated you can’t spot obvious Scum.

The last vc of the day demonstrates everything

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Std scum
Windows scum
Andre scum
Im the best player here

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Anastasia, when are you going to find at least 1 scum? Ooone, just one. Stop protecting every scum of this game.

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You have t3 mafia cop.
Just find his partners. At lest one, the easiest one. Why did he do smth or why he didnt? This is about protection of t3.
Just check is it possible to have one team like this: t3, std, windows, andre. Maybe one of them is a traitor (windows?), but it doesnt matter.
For ke now they are like claimed scums.

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With no hope to win.

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*for me now

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I have already done it. You can just vote em and check the result.

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Oh, good

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VOTE: STD

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Im voting with my lovely Anastasia

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You are walking dead, T3

you are walking dead too, STD

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we need just to kill std
to see he is a scum
then remember how andre and windows tried to elim nero instead of std
and they also were protecting t3
how many scums were found by them? none
case closed

the traitor can be somewhere here among them or not far from them in the range of scums.
i think they just dont have room for any plans and maneuvers in this situation, so they just take the defensive positions and just give up with no serious scum searching now

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im not sure samantha is right about a50, but i believe he is not the best choice for today

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this is usual thing for me and for many experienced players to consider a man with a cop role like one of the scums because of his strange behaviour
i even told about that before kitty's claim because i do this mistake oftenly and i need to recheck it many times
though i didnt understand who of them is true fast, this mistake is worse, but i did it in the end of the day (and when t3 betrayed me very strangely), so it doesnt count)
though there is still a little chance that i was right about kitty too. or it is too weird cop for me

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kerset considered std town according to my notes

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what about ndmath's case about a50(deathnote) = traitor?
dunn likes it very much
what do you think?

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i agree. there are no problems to hang him in searching for the last one.

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and if he is a traitor, if i understand it right, the elimination of all his partners - this is victory for townies even without elimination of the traitor

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Mark, how many games have you already played? few? dozens? hundreds? please tell me

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Mark, why did i save cabd from e-1 if i am mafia with ana and nero? Maybe he is the 4th one?)

Nero is a solid town. I dont know about ana/cabd for sure.

Andre was faking his push on t3. When he saw the opportunity to elim me instead of t3, he stopped pushing, and when after me t3 started to collect votes for serious mistake, andre dissapeared for days. His voice is not on t3. Because t3 is his partner. Andre was pushing townie nero then. Andre is scum.

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Mark, why Dkkoba is town?

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So you are going to push nero today instead of std. You won't succeed in that, you have no enough people. U need smth more serious, or easier target.

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The case against me has no chances today.

Maybe you have some chances with Ana elimination, if you try to push the idea that she was the main enemy of Anya, and now Anya is dead.

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Anastasia, btw, why did you believe that both cops are townies?
Was it a joke or what? Can you explain?

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Mark is strange. He kinda doesnt think about game at all. He does see that i was counting the votes for cabd, then he kinda thinks that i was mistaked by "hammer", lol. He thinks that i (ok, my team) elimed Anya, but i was the towniest person for her in game. Why he doesnt think at all? Bad play. The only explanation, because I have no room for him among scums. He doesnt know how to find scummies, just random pushing with no serious clues

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You have no experience. If he was repeating after me everything against kitty it doesnt make us partners. Moreover i turn against him after his betrayal and attempt to elim me. You have nothing serious against me, Mark. Time to wake up.

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You can try, kerset, if u think that im the scummiest player here)

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Interesting dodge

Thank you.

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T3/Nero/Vasex/Maybe Ana/+1 for the solve?

Cabd

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Why maybe Ana but not maybe Vasex or maybe Nero?
I am more maybe then Ana.

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Mark instead of xp? Xp said that mark might be scum. But it was long time ago.
Im pretty sure nero is town. Andre should be scum.
But it is difficult to believe that the plan of mafia now to shadow me right now... smth too stupid, too hopeless. To force people to ignore my scum list? I dont think that mark is scum. It is too stupid way to save std, attacking me now. There a lot more easier targets

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Btw Andre is 100% confirmed scum.
He broke under pressure like scum.
And he said that he has such a problem when he is a scum.
With promising to read, promising to be in game, and absense, absense

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Yeah, i said about this about std few times. He tried to refocus town's attention from t3 to cabd.
Though there is one more interesting guy at that moment. Dunn was doing smth the same too, and he also didnt understand why t3 is traitor. But is more townie than std

And about "i need to reread" i noticed too)

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Std, what do you think about xp?

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Andre had scumread t3 only before t3 had serious problems. Andre voted not t3, and he didnt show himself last days during t3 elimination. Now Andre doesnt suspect anyone except townie Nero and continues promising to read the game (Anya didnt believe in that and she is dead now). This is the end of the story for Andre.

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And Andre said to me that im wrong in everything. The townie on the day one couldnt know that.

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cabd
vote smb

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i think they're hunting i think they're trying to find scum

they dont do that when they are scums?
he considers you are the scummiest player of day 2 btw
but prefers to vote others)

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Town dkkoba hunts exactly like that?

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No please
Not me
Im innocent
I didnt do it
Help

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Stop talking like you know how to play this game

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but he was a key architect of that wagon.

This is not truth
He provided no good reasons to elim t3
He was just a noise
Good reasons were provided by enchant and kerset

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And these reasons were in the end of the day, yeah

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He was playing like he definitely knows that kitty, enchant and me are townies, thats why he told me stupidly that im wrong about everything

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And when i noticed that, andre tried to step back , he was confused.
And in the new day i attecked him with arguments that nero hard town, xp,andre,std scums, and i provided reasons shy andre now is scum and how strange his and xp's reaction after anya's death, and now he left the thread confused again, and again tried to step back. Just read his behaviour under my pressure. He is a scum.

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*reasons why

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This is not good reasoning, mark. T3 tried to elim kitty, firstly with vote, than he even claimed bp just to kill kitty with any cost. Only then when it became obvious that players will give kitty one night, he started voting his second target enchant.
Though i still has some doubts about this. I think it is still possible that there was his partner between kitty and enchant, but the possibility is low

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How do you know that he's stepping back under pressure rather than just being low activity as he was throughout d1? Genuine question.

Because he is too confident about his susps, while he is not reading everything and just promises to do it again and again, he is trying to push his ideas to people. Comparing with a50 for example: he just doesnt give a fuck about previous pages.

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And he was confident that im wrong about kitty and enchant. So it makes 3 townies and 1 scum Andre. I think he understood his fail in that moment.

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Mark, do you agree that Andre and xp are scums, if nero flips town?

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Especially if std flips scum too.
So it looks like they were trying to save std killing innocent nero

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I think A50 is town

quick reminder
a50 and artemiana were in that game with t3 3-4 night cop (anya was also there but she is dead town; anya sr ana much)
a50 has come too late, so maybe he skipped that info, ok maybe (really?)
but artemiana was in that game and in this game
both artemiana and anastasia thought that t3 is town
now anastasia is voting std

xp doesnt want to vote std
andre doesnt want to vote std

even nero said he thinks std is town, and he thinks that the only scummy thing std done: he said that andre is town

we need to think about it
why people who knew that t3 has claimed n3-n4 cop kept silence about that?
anya had the explanation, that she died early and didnt see the roles...
artemiana cannot answer this now
a50?

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std, is it not suspicious to you what windows said about you in this day when he tried to explain why he sees you as scum? it was so fake explanation in my opinion, and you, std, should understand is it a fake even better from your position, knowing dkkoba etc.

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yeah, IN FACT Andre missed BOTH huge wagons on t3 on the day one
not 1 wagon, but 2 wagons. his screaming about t3 was only between wagons. and this doesnt help to gain t3 votes at all. t3 started again to collect votes after fail attempt to elim me (his hard town), then after enchant-kerset's case against t3
so i still have a question about Mark
is it bad play or is it scum play?
help me to understand

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Right so you reckon that Andre is scum who lurked hard and then just came out of lurking to push his scum PR buddy at the end of the day when several other viable wagons were available?

any problems with that?
pushing without vote lol

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i was a bit wrong above
andre didn't miss the first wagon on t3, his vote was there
but he wasnt in the game during t3's claims and when he got most of all votes
so andre just missed all serious moments of the game
pushing t3 only when there is no big danger to t3

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Fwiw if Vasex continues to just lowkey discredit/flame me I'm just gonna lock my vote on him for D2 and not engage with him.

very scary
please dont do it

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ugh you know what
vote kitty
if kitty isn't scum vote me tomorrow i'm just a 1 shot bulletproof and after everyone RANDOLY scumreading it's not like mafia will ever try to kill me

Roles do exist that can pierce through vests you know that right?

Anyway I’m almost hopelessly behind but I will do my best to catch up. A lot has happened in this game without me paying much attention so I’ll give it an honest shot.

VOTE: Andres

Not sure why I

bolded

instead!

It’s not a great vote, but I’m not going to complain too much while I haven’t contributed much yet. I just hope you’ll give me some time to really catch up. I didn’t say it here (you can strictly check whether this is true from posts in another ongoing game, though other than that I will not speak about it), but I have been sick the last 2 days. I am on the mend, but I just need some time to catch up. You’ll get my updated views as soon as I can sit down and read the entire game which I certainly intend to do.

thats all

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i dont think andres plan as scum is lurk most of the day then come back and do nothing but bus and i think vasex is underrating how much he pushed t3

do nothing but bus?
but voting vasex, then nero

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You read game backwards. Andre didn't know at the time that he will fail.

andre promised to be in game many times. he missed all important real days.
he said that when he is a scum he doesnt appear much and has problems under pressure
and look at him now

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Vasex, do you think it's possible that Andres simply has less time to play than you?

I can believe in that only when the game is short. But this game lasts many days and he misses all important moments (especially moments which are connected with his game opinion) and doesnt read many things. And yeah his explanation is lack of time... Easier to believe in any other reasons.

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Nero, it is much easier to elim Andre and xp if std flips scum. We need to elim std now

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kitty, add your vote to std

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What about std and windows?

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Have you ever seen scums like me?

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Andre is not with Mark btw

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What fights among players did i start?

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No. I was the first one, who attacked artemiana. Cabd was after me. Anything else?

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I was having fun and after this post i said that there are more chances that he is town and i changed my vote.

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So i didnt start any fights between players, right?
Do you have smth serious against me?

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it doesnt make sense for u to think nero is mafia but not xp

It isn’t Nero just defending T3 though now is it? You can’t minimize my case against Nero as they defended T3, ergo Scum. I have clearly posted a lot of my thoughts on Nero already, and they don’t all revolve around T3. I’m also in the middle of reading so maybe let my thoughts on both develop some more and I’ll get back to you.

Have you seen the posts of xp, where he defends t3 much more than anybody in the game?

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I think you have no enough balls to elim me

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I think this is just a blah blah blah about elimination of me

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Vote std
Dont listen to scums, who are looking for another target instead of std (not talking about that directly)
I have 2 a.m., bye bye

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Anyway we should elim STD today.

Andre, I agree with you. At last.

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And i want to add before a sleep: if std is scum, the next scum is windows. Im pretty sure. He tried to avoid the elim of both of them, seeking other targets. Even if xp hammers std it doesnt matter.

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And xp sees andre town, but andre kinda start to sr xp and not the first time, so dkkoba is scummier.

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both of them,

Std and t3

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UNVOTE:
for a while
i need to read last pages

and anastasia haha
are u still a girl?

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I would probably carry {Marky Mark, Enchant, Rathe, Kerset, Cabd (as the counterwagon to Scum), Samantha, and DGB} as Town unless something dramatic happens.

like vasex flips town?
in this case i still think the most of them are townies

Anyway we should elim STD today.

Andre, I agree with you. At last.

If vasex is scum (which is likely the case) then he just manipulated you like puppet master.

yeah
i hoped nobody noticed that i changed the quote of andre
are u serious? this was so bold and obvious. and what's my aim of this master manipulation?

What are you saying here?

yeah, this was strange reaction from kerset
(i'm not manipulating now, not manipulating, not manipulating!)

I think if Vasex was scum his scum team would've killed him by now to stop him from flooding their PT with random nonsense.

Nope. Im usually rather good player for mafia.
And one little secret: im too lazy to write so much when im mafia. It is more interesting to solve the puzzles for townie.
If u really need, i can bring my message from my previous game (i also was townie) , where i described that I can play for mafia good, but Im not fond of it. Maybe I wouldnt be even the first one in activity (till some deaths of active players).

I really do believe that T3/Vasex were engaged in theater after T3 really started seeing tremendous pressure, and it’s a vote that’s quite likely to be a bus btw. I just wanted to reiterate that.

if andre is scum, this directs to mark and maybe kerset to make vasex more suspicious in their eyes, to make their theories about vasex/t3 stronger. with no serious reasons of course. enough to say that t3 was just repeating everything about kitty after me, supporting my ideas. the only thing i was repeating after him - i liked the idea of enchant's slip for some time. but most of all i had my own arguments against enchant, with no connection to t3 thoughts about enchant

is it cuz i put you as maybe

your participation in this moment is bad
just as your post with your scums

I hate this.

I think this is incredibly hard to justify. This whole thing. Believing that Nero/XP/Me is TvTvT is absurd.

i cannot believe you are noticing it at last
and you still think he is town after these conclusions?

Okay after finally reading every post in this damn game, I have it something like this.

Town
{Anya [Town Universal Backup]}
Strong Lean Town
{Marky Mark [Miller Claim]}
Lean Town
{Enchant, Rathe, Kerset, DGB [Cop Check, Town], KittyTacky [1-Shot Cop, Checked DGB]}
Slight Lean Town
{Etine [Lazy Babysitter Claim], deep-city-lights/bloodhail, Cabd, Samantha}
Neutral / Could Swing Either Direction
{SaveTheDragons, Artemiana/Anastasia, DeathNote/Almost50, WindowsXP [DkKoba], Vasex}
Slight Lean Scum
{NDMath, Dunnstral}
Lean Scum
{Nero Cain}
Scum
{T3 [1-Shot Bulletproof, Turning Into N1/N2 Cop Claim, Mafia Cop]}

I will probably have to ISO some of those slots I have in the Slight Town Lean down, but I’m exhausted now and I want to focus on some of the other games I’m playing.

wow thats a progress to put me on the same level as windows xp in your view

y?

he was trying to set mark against me through the thread

Anastasia repeats so much that im the best player that i can start to think that she knows smth in this game (smth bad for me)

By the way, she showed her original account. People, who know PookyBear, please tell me - her behaviour and judgements in this game is it suspicios now? or nothing changes?

interesting question about link from dkkoba to anastasia. but fast answer to it is ok, i guess?

anyway, i think we are on the right way. and i still think xp is scum after std flips scum
VOTE: STD

[Vasex]

I think it's possible they are S/S because of their awkward conversation here:

i need to add that i had the same thoughts here, though i was seeing them together before that

[Vasex]

thats y im asking who u would vote for if not nero

STD probably

Nero Cain [3] - WindowsXP

Save The Dragons [9]

[Vasex]

still please never lim vasex i proved they were town d1 with the flash wagon that managed to happen on them

VOTE: Nero Cain

I would prefer Vasex for their blatant openwolfing, but I am being pragmatic

I think the leasher discussion leans them town here but i also thought t3 meta leaned them town here too so im willing to listen to another pov if you wanna convince me wrt vasex scum

[Vasex]

ok vote smb std please
one more vote please
UNVOTE:

[Vasex]

Rathe, samantha97, Save The Dragons, Almost50, Andresvmb, WindowsXP, Marky Mark, DrippingGoofball, Enchant, Cabd
please vote std. he has only 7 votes now

[Vasex]

Cabd
Enchant

DrippingGoofball

Marky Mark

WindowsXP

Andresvmb
Almost50

Save The Dragons

samantha97
Rathe

lets vote std, lets do 9 votes there to see what happened and to make him claim or smth

windows is still not voting std, but he "wanted" elim him lol

[Vasex]

Why you unvoting then.

maybe because i dont want to elim std??
vote it
if you have no much better ideas

[Vasex]

Anastasia is my master fan

[Vasex]

creatures with the smallest brain can be quite clever
watch this

[Vasex]

should I end the day now?
any wishes?

[Vasex]

154.


What i miss?

We are trying to someone, who townreads STD. No progress so far.

Well, STD is person who really realised my "slip" was just joke, along with some others. Mafia probably would just ignore/push me further, there's no practical benefit to save me from chop chop, unless hoping for my idiocy later (like really, i barely look at game, why pocket me).

You blaming him for unvoting his main suspect Cabd. There's problem, all people could do that and he had reason to do that. I say, townie even more likely contradict self. Mafia mostly read what they write you know.
Would they both being mafia who lightbus each other for town points is different question on which i can't answer without flipping them, but i still consider Cabd more likely townie than mafia

Looking from other way.
History mostly says most people protected me-town was "Devil Advocate" mafia, because i always end up lynched, flipping town and then they get points for white knighting.

There's possible reason in fearing going to chopchop block after Cabd, if he is town of course. Mafia always need solid reason, so when asked they could make lynched townie look like idiot who deserved it. Maybe STD reasons to think Cabd is mafia is somewhat weak and he wanted to "talk" with Cabd more for looking like person who trying to solve, not just kill everything.


... Honestly after thoughs i don't know for sure if he is mafia. Is there's also others reason to think he is one?

so now you decide to elim std like the scummiest person here, do i understand it right?

[Vasex]

i dont like poetry

[Vasex]

You think I can't count again?

9 votes now
we need 10 for elim
you put std on e-1
i can hammer him now

[Vasex]

STD, do you want anything to add?

[Vasex]

Enchant, why do you vote std? Do you have any reasons at all?

[Vasex]

I have 10 days to think... to hammer std or not...

[Vasex]

I am patience itself

[Vasex]

go on

[Vasex]

How about Crime and Punishment?

i like reading. but not classic and not russian authors, i like mostly modern (hard) science fiction and dark fantasy. for example Peter Watts, Michael Crichton, Dan Simmons, Vernor Vinge, Neal Stephenson, early books of Joe Abercrombie. I read everything from S.King etc. Cormac McCarthy is brilliant (Blood Meridian...)...

[Vasex]

Seveneves <3
but the last third of the book is not good

[Vasex]

last time i hammered someone, mafia had made e-1 before my vote, knowing for sure that i will hammer this man immediately

do i want to elim std? yes
am i sure he is scum? yes, about 90%; rathe and samantha are voting another target, as well as checked dgb
do i want to end day now? yes
do you all want to end day now? i dont know, i saw only couple opinions about that, do you want it?

from the other hand if scums decide finaly to bus with std - are there any chance to get new info if to make the day longer?

and it is better to hammer std while he online, no?
though i think he has already told everything he wanted
we have his final list of scums, do we need anything else?

[Vasex]

right now we know for sure that enchant is ready to end the day and he considers std a scum.
is this info useful?
when he saw that i'm not hammering std he began asking other people (a50) to hammer him
though i don't think it is much useful. more looks like enchant just doesnt read the thread and he doesnt know that a50 wants to elim only xp and dunn, these are his 100% scums

[Vasex]

any fast opinions about that?
i want to vote(

[Vasex]

rathe and samantha are voting another target, as well as checked dgb

this stops me from fast decision

[Vasex]

anyone else?

[Vasex]

wait

so is "night 1/night 2" a normal modifier? or are people assuming he meant something else?

I'm a night 1 and night2 Cop. I highly doubt there is another 1 shot cop.

sounds like 2 shot cop

i think there's a difference between 2 shot cop and the role T3 claimed

what about this?
i saw no opinions about this
could std to talk like that about the partner?
though it depends on the context when he said this.
maybe to defend t3 in that moments? help me to understand
this is his main explanation why he is not with t3
we need to decide about that

[Vasex]

the context was not to defend t3
but this is interesting. it was said right immediately after another "wait"

Wait i wrongly readed your post. My question was dumb.

Ye, i certanly agree, probality that one of Kitty or T3 is scum is great. Honestly, Kitty looks more ugly for me, because of agreement with everything. Why you think Kitty > T3?

enchant thinks there that kitty is scummier than t3

[Vasex]

and then the enchant's post hmmm about t3's claim

ok, enchant gains too much trust after that

fuck it

should i vote std?

[Vasex]

is post #3628 from std is about his partner t3? or they are not partners? why std did this? mafia was scared by andre's attack on t3 and decide to bus fast?
this is the main question now

[Vasex]

if to think much about this

wait

so is "night 1/night 2" a normal modifier? or are people assuming he meant something else?

it looks like std was even earlier who attacked t3 with smth like "this role doesnt exist"
isnt it?
is it ok to attack claimed partner like this?
the only explanation if andre is town and std is scum - mafia was scared by andre's push on t3 and decided to bus with t3 immediately (and mafia should know that this is stupid claim, so it was easy to get the reason...)
but this reason is really strong... with no way back?
but... then std votes not t3, but vasex.....
std says t3's role doesnt exist... but then votes vasex and cabd... not t3
for god's sake

[Vasex]

VOTE: STD

[Vasex]

I will unvote in 20 minutes.

[Vasex]

The whole 100% responsability is on a man with hammer

[Vasex]

if im dead, listen to the opinions of all dead townies
their opinions matter
nobody is killed just because of random, there is a reason every time
but remember that dead ones have no so much info as alive players, their opinions can change if they were mistaking in smth

[Vasex]

if std town - maybe dunn scum. and you should think about kerset, though this is pretty townie slot. maybe xp scum too.

if std scum - xp scum. maybe andre even town, i dont know

im not so sure about nero, but if he is town he needs help

if smth is totally wrong and there are only townies lynched - you should elim kitty, anastasia, cabd

[Vasex]

i think samantha is hard town

[Vasex]

rathe should be town too.

[Vasex]

anya didnt like kitty, anastasia, andre... i dont remember who else... she was shot for some reason, dont forget it.

[Vasex]

Std, u did the same mistake, that t3 did. You said that im townie. And then voted me, trying to elim. I think we are on the right way.

[Vasex]

when cabd was "hammered", std asked Kitty to check NDMath (and t3 - DGB). if std is scum, ndmath should be town.

[Vasex]

or maybe ignore it. maybe they knew it was fakehammer or it just a bussing

[Vasex]

If this flips mafia and i am dead, Vasex probably... Eh. Idk, what sense to let me hammer your scumpartners.

btw you could hammer him earlier even if i did nothing.

Save The Dragons [9] - Kerset, bloodhail, Anastasia, Dunnstral, NDMath, Vasex, Nero Cain, Etine, KittyTacky [E-1]

[Vasex]

enchant you should have at least let STD claim. IDK what the flip will be. He was kinda null for me but so was Hayker (some guy in my last game) but I could see why ppl were scum reading him and his reads san CABD were bad.

std was here when he had 9 votes (e-1). he kept silence, so.... he has nothing to say.

[Vasex]

I have Moscow time. Look at his profile.
Last visited: Sun May 09, 2021 8:32 am
And the time of the voting was: Post #4250 (ISO) » Sun May 09, 2021 7:30 am

Save The Dragons [9] - Kerset, bloodhail, Anastasia, Dunnstral, NDMath, Vasex, Nero Cain, Etine, KittyTacky [E-1]

[Vasex]

I mean here - memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=629

[Vasex]

I will reread Dunn later. Right now im not sure about anything.
Smb helped a lot at night. Maybe Etine or maybe he killed Kerset.

[Vasex]

Etine should say who was under his defense at first night. I asked him. Why he didnt say?

[Vasex]

i thing kerset killed anya
anya was the most red in her rainbow list
nobody sr anya so much

so mafia could know about kerset after killing anya
and if they kill kerset, and etine killed dunn with his death... so maybe their shots were on the same target on dunn?

etine had to tell us who was covered on first night. it should be townie

[Vasex]

*think

[Vasex]

it was a stupid mistake not to tell us who was protected. i asked about this.

[Vasex]

and maybe wihdows xp knew that std is town, thats why he was avoiding his elimination, though he said he would vote there

today i have not much time, i will play it more tomorrow
i have other game in russian right now

[Vasex]

6 votes? need 8 to elim

i read nothing right now, i will read tomorrow
but if u need my vote, why not

[Vasex]

e-1

VOTE: WindowsXP

[Vasex]

Im alive. I'll try to find some time in few hours

[Vasex]

are we claiming?
i read badly sorry sorry

im vt

done

[Vasex]

oh, nero is checked town?
i was right
im still the best player

[Vasex]

sorry i have duties
i will be later in the game
these days are long, but i have short days in my current game

[Vasex]

Also Vasex still hasn't written his daily novel on the game yet

Firstly i need to read and translate your novels

[Vasex]

I will do it later)

[Vasex]

ugh
im not mafia, im vt
i understand my situation with few serious mistakes - i thought xp and std are scums; and i helped mafia t3 much on the first day, thinking he is town; maybe i have more mistakes idk
i understand that im an easy target now
i almost didnt read the previous day, and right now i'll try to read this day
then maybe i'll read the previous day too

this is so stupid explanation but i had too much work on this week and other game, and im still playing it right now

[Vasex]

oh this day is not so big i almost finished it

[Vasex]

i dont know

T3 [11]

-

Rathe

, KittyTacky,

Etine

, samantha97, DrippingGoofball, Marky Mark,

Kerset, Anya, Vasex

, bloodhail, Enchant [ELIMINATION]

Dunnstral [5]

-

Rathe

, samantha97,

Save The Dragons

, Almost50, Andresvmb

There are only 2 mafia we know

From my whole experience of my all games there should be some epic distancing in the games like this (where we can see dead roles).
Maybe 1 or 2 scums per line.
Especially in the Dunns case smb should be, because he wasnt elimed so it was easy and safely to make distancing with him, while townies where eliminating the townie std

Though maybe mafia didn't want to lose the second scum after t3 and decided just to push the townie std with all forces, so maybe i'm wrong

[Vasex]

i dont think i have any good reasons to vote anybody
it can be some random shit

[Vasex]

why kitty is still alive?
what about anastasia?
what about samantha? she was the towniest for me, but xp is a scum...
i feel smth wrong with Almost50, Andresvmb and maybe Enchant, but im tired to look for reasons and with distancing reasons can be very stupid
i had only the old ones and maybe I even forgot some of them

the killing of townies should improve the gameplay for mafia team, they can become active now and work harder then before, knowing that their aim is much closer now after many town's deaths

[Vasex]

why kitty is still alive?

uh, he has no check-shots

[Vasex]

what about mark? xp said in the beginning of the game, that mark can be scum
what was his last opinion about that?

[Vasex]

VOTE: Anastasia

I can’t believe I’m succumbing to this, but that come to Jesus post by Vasex is hard to ignore. Oy.

u know, this was too fast
i dont know maybe you are genuine
but it looks like pocketing me
like "look, i have unvoted you, trust me"
so fast
with not much thinking
i was very scummy for you almost the whole game, if im not mistaking
and after all my mistakes you can unvote me so easy?

[Vasex]

VOTE: Andresvmb

[Vasex]

I dont know what to say about NDMath

[Vasex]

anyways, after ndmath inevitably scummily hammers me, go :

Anastasia>NDMath>Vasex>Andres

well honestly i can easily vote anyone of them
but idk

[Vasex]

xp should see the game better than me, he read more, understands more and we had some the same thinking on the first day about t3 and enchant... maybe i just should listen to him if im not reading much. and from his pov it should more obvious whos behaviour is strange among people who attacked him

[Vasex]

but xp is a scum...

but xp flips town (typo)

[Vasex]

or maybe cabd (it is really hard to read and translate)
or mark
well if i add samantha, nero and bloodhail i'll have the full house

[Vasex]

oh, dgb is checked. i remember it) so i can just vote anyone after dgb if she insists on that.

[Vasex]

why kitty is still alive?

uh, he has no check-shots

Yeah at this point I am basically a VT and playing like one. Presumably there are bigger targets.

Not just vt. People know your role so you should die earlier than average vt

[Vasex]

If cabd is town, ndmath should be scum

[Vasex]

Ana, what about cabd?

[Vasex]

Btw dunn and ana were red in cabd's readlist

[Vasex]

Do u need e-1? I can vote with dgb and kitty and samantha