DEFCON Mafia 5.0: GAME OVER - NEW AMERICA FORMED

[marry]

“ If you're going to defend someone, you stick by it or agree with the reasons given to you.” THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED? are we reading the same game

[VFP]

well i've seen her play mafia before and she knows how to bus. actually she's hardbussed several times before and she rarely defends her partners as directly as she did w/ mastina against LLD. i think her frustration with LLD was genuine too altho the frustration is less AI.

also like i said earlier i really doubt the mastina wagon was some big shock to scum. there was a fair amount of pressure on her the day before. also LLD wasn't even the first vote on the mastina wagon. she was the one that actually effected the lim but i believe she was the third or fourth vote. so the wheels were already starting to spin at that point.

Care to share the game?

[marry]

marry btw since you're here i think the reason i didn't vibe with your sam comment is i adore sam and would never policy lim him ever

oh i didnt mean Us in specific, i meant the collective we

[marry]

EM was nuked we cant share the game but i in fact do love to bus partners the second its viable for me, ill just confirm it. use it if u want

[Mognet]

VFP, assume Marry is scum. Why does scum Marry fake claim eavesdropper multiple times?

Well since mastina was eavesdropper , it's probable scum discussed and wanted to use it with no CC risk.
I didn't take the claims I saw as hard claim though. mastina flipping eavesdropper negates that as any argument here.

I don’t think so VFP. Marry was clearly joking saying stuff like “big butts”.
Scum also seemed okay or at least not resisting the Mastina wagon.
I don’t think that scum would bring attention to themselves while knowing a buddy is about to flip that role.
I could buy terrorist maybe but I doubt it.

I don’t see what Marty was doing with Mastina good scum play

[joqiza]

well i've seen her play mafia before and she knows how to bus. actually she's hardbussed several times before and she rarely defends her partners as directly as she did w/ mastina against LLD. i think her frustration with LLD was genuine too altho the frustration is less AI.

also like i said earlier i really doubt the mastina wagon was some big shock to scum. there was a fair amount of pressure on her the day before. also LLD wasn't even the first vote on the mastina wagon. she was the one that actually effected the lim but i believe she was the third or fourth vote. so the wheels were already starting to spin at that point.

Care to share the game?

LMFAO i can't literally my whole site (EpicMafia) got nuked and i have no records

on god though it happened i'll cite the games from memory:
- marry bussing Luciokek in Werewolves vs. Mafia 1.5
- marry hardbussing dia d1 of some game nbt hosted
- marry hardbussing Flygon slot d1 of the game I hosted before SPF subbed in for Flygon

prolly others that i can't remember. i actually can't prove it but i think you'll believe me, it would be absurd for me to be lying about this i think

[marry]

VFP, assume Marry is scum. Why does scum Marry fake claim eavesdropper multiple times?

Well since mastina was eavesdropper , it's probable scum discussed and wanted to use it with no CC risk.
I didn't take the claims I saw as hard claim though. mastina flipping eavesdropper negates that as any argument here.

yeah i mean it was a joke and i clarified no one should interact with it or take it seriously in the next post... didnt know mastina of all people was the eavesdropper

[marry]

i forgot about the flygon one!!!

[joqiza]

FWIW i didn't get the sense that the dcl/VFP slot was aligned with mastina I just think he's off base here

[marry]

oh Sonrio i bussed him once too, he was afk and i was sick of it

[Mognet]

VFP, assume Marry is scum. Why does scum Marry fake claim eavesdropper multiple times?

Well since mastina was eavesdropper , it's probable scum discussed and wanted to use it with no CC risk.
I didn't take the claims I saw as hard claim though. mastina flipping eavesdropper negates that as any argument here.

I don’t think so VFP. Marry was clearly joking saying stuff like “big butts”.
Scum also seemed okay or at least not resisting the Mastina wagon.
I don’t think that scum would bring attention to themselves while knowing a buddy is about to flip that role.
I could buy terrorist maybe but I doubt it.

I don’t see what Marty was doing with Mastina good scum play

Marry I apologize for the misnaming. I use this communication device a lot and am a big fan of Back to the future.

[marry]

i think Marty is super cute!!!

[VFP]

“ If you're going to defend someone, you stick by it or agree with the reasons given to you.” THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED? are we reading the same game

vote: mastina

if this is scum i knew it all along and did not defend it in the slightest, and lady is my new idol
if this is town i knew it all along and am the best reader in the game, and request applause

This is not someone who believes that mastina is town. This is not someone defending a town read.
This is someone knowing that mastina is flipping scum and trying to use humour prep the buddy up.

[marry]

dude i dont know mastina and the proof given to me was circumstantial and new to me at best, i agreed with lady because she reached me and got me to think for a second of what i was even doing. scum!me never enters a table of strangers, soft defends my partner, and does a public 180 when it looks cozy to. thats telegraphed and seems like low hanging fruit

[VFP]

EM was nuked we cant share the game but i in fact do love to bus partners the second its viable for me, ill just confirm it. use it if u want

well i've seen her play mafia before and she knows how to bus. actually she's hardbussed several times before and she rarely defends her partners as directly as she did w/ mastina against LLD. i think her frustration with LLD was genuine too altho the frustration is less AI.

also like i said earlier i really doubt the mastina wagon was some big shock to scum. there was a fair amount of pressure on her the day before. also LLD wasn't even the first vote on the mastina wagon. she was the one that actually effected the lim but i believe she was the third or fourth vote. so the wheels were already starting to spin at that point.

Care to share the game?

LMFAO i can't literally my whole site (EpicMafia) got nuked and i have no records

on god though it happened i'll cite the games from memory:
- marry bussing Luciokek in Werewolves vs. Mafia 1.5
- marry hardbussing dia d1 of some game nbt hosted
- marry hardbussing Flygon slot d1 of the game I hosted before SPF subbed in for Flygon

prolly others that i can't remember. i actually can't prove it but i think you'll believe me, it would be absurd for me to be lying about this i think

That's fair enough. I'm not going to argue true or not, but I'm also not going to change my read as different situations matter.
I'll consider it though.

[joqiza]

look i'm gonna be honest

i feel uncomfortable knighting for marry so hard and i think if she's town she will be able to demonstrate she's town on her own

i think she's just town who thought the mastina wagon was weird, tried to engage, engaged with LLD, realized what LLD was saying, then went "welp" and realized she was boutta look scummy af if mastina did end up being mafia

it's just my 2c

[VFP]

I don’t think so VFP. Marry was clearly joking saying stuff like “big butts”.
Scum also seemed okay or at least not resisting the Mastina wagon.
I don’t think that scum would bring attention to themselves while knowing a buddy is about to flip that role.
I could buy terrorist maybe but I doubt it.

I don’t see what Marty was doing with Mastina good scum play

So the difference I see here id the lack of people posting from the begining of Vax voting mastina, to LLD and Marry.
After this situation and the way the conversation went, you are right, scum are not going to back mastina there. But I'm talking about the situation before the nail in the coffin.

[marry]

joqiza u have no obligation to knight for me but it’s appreciated and i’ll do it back for you if i feel like i can provide insight into my meta on you. does that make sense, im still not sure your alignment even

[VFP]

yeah i mean it was a joke and i clarified no one should interact with it or take it seriously in the next post... didnt know mastina of all people was the eavesdropper

Okay. This doesn't change much.
Maybe going for the town credit, I'm not sure what the argument as a whole is here? I'm also not sure to what the reasoning was to claim it. mastina flipped Eavesdropper, you claimed it (even if a joke).
There is no reason that this should be considered as town.

[marry]

whatever dude, big butts rule

[Save The Dragons]

POOKY NO

OUR PRES HAS BEEN ASSASSINATED

LONG LIVE LLD'S REIGN AS PRES

One of these two is scum. Mark my words.

this seems like an easy attack based on a trope that's probably false

i didn’t even acknowledge the post with a response bc i thought the same thing so im glad someone said it

See, not responding was the town response, but then you had to go and mess it up with this dumb post. Silly sausage.

i think you need to reconsider whether responding to crap arguments is a town or scum thing

[joqiza]

joqiza u have no obligation to knight for me but it’s appreciated and i’ll do it back for you if i feel like i can provide insight into my meta on you. does that make sense, im still not sure your alignment even

ftr it's just that when we play our EM games i always roll my eyes when ilario townlocks spf for sketchy reasons so i feel uncomfortable taking that position now. it's not anything against you it's just i'm typically an anti-meta person so i feel like a hypocrite now.

also not to pressure you but like. i'm a bit surprised that you haven't really commented on my alignment at all cuz i feel like between the two of us i'm the easier read and you've usually townlocked me by now.

[Mognet]

eavesdropper here guys. mafia said they like big butts? not really sure what to make of this, would really appreciate some help. more at 11.

This is the first reference to Marry pretending to be eavesdropper.

This is during the time Mastina was picking up votes based on the VC.
What is the scum purpose of this?
I agree just because they claimed they aren’t town. They’re town because of Mastina’s flip and no scum benefit

[marry]

joqiza i guess its cuz youve mostly been.. not defending me exactly but clarifying me to the table and its hard to read for content outside of this, and i havent taken time to read your posts that werent RE: me. like i should, i just havent yet and kinda wanna blow shit up and figure your alignment out later cuz if i think youre mafia im gonna wanna nuke you and i dont want you dead. does that make sense

[joqiza]

it would be an honor to die by your hand.