DEFCON Mafia 5.0: GAME OVER - NEW AMERICA FORMED

[marry]

HI IM HERE

[marry]

I apologize for tardiness I struggle with simple tasks

[marry]

I hope this works I'm so sorry aaaaaa VOTE: total war ?

[marry]

WE HAVE WIKI PAGES HERE???

[marry]

I'll adapt quickly it's just the new site that I'm feeling out. I got an invite

I will read yours

[marry]

TR Bell good wiki

JOQIZA

[marry]

I'll adapt quickly it's just the new site that I'm feeling out. I got an invite

I will read yours

No,no I don't like that rule, I was just feeling out if you were an alt without asking you directly. I don't mind if you've never played mafia before and this is your first game or you're a filthy alt hiding from the eyes of their more respectable peers. I just think it helps to know who is and isn't an alt so I have a better idea of where you're at and where you're coming from.

I'm new to MS!! I've never played Defcon...!! I'm shy around new people but you'll get a feel for my personality quickly

[marry]

marry the mod said we can post vocaroos as long as we put a transcript

LET'S FUCKIN' GOOOOOOOOOOO

[marry]

can i please be the wife of the president

[marry]

guys im reading the rules now and im scared i just wanna be the wife

[marry]

sad that i'm not seeing a wife option in the troops...
HI CEPHRIR IM ALSO SEATTLE-ISH!!!

[marry]

hi pooky, are you the president, can i PLEASE be your wife, i'll do literally whatever you want me to. i'll get you scalps i'll clean the kitchen i'll make apple pie whatever

[marry]

i've got another tab open with the rules and another tab open to page three don't worry i'm doing my due diligence but i'm also here to be a trophy wife in the meantime

[marry]

so i take that as a yes????? pooky i am as american as one gets

[marry]

thank you pooky i have the courage and companionship i need to carry on

[marry]

staypositivefriend is my gay mother, that's why

[marry]

okay so here's the game as i understand it: we either nuke someone and it takes 48 hours to actually kill them (but the target can sui early?), we can cancel it within 24 hours of firing. rest is just mafia playstyle...? however we got to pick roles yesterday and it was first come first serve? am i wrong

signed the wife of the president, first lady marry, daughter of spf

[marry]

very pleased joqiza is with us on the cabinet he will do great things for this country

[marry]

okay so here's the game as i understand it: we either nuke someone and it takes 48 hours to actually kill them (but the target can sui early?), we can cancel it within 24 hours of firing. rest is just mafia playstyle...? however we got to pick roles yesterday and it was first come first serve? am i wrong

signed the wife of the president, first lady marry, daughter of spf

sorryyyy would someone mind confirming this for meeee

[marry]

sorryyyy would someone mind confirming this for meeee

Not sure exactly what you mean by "mafia playstyle", but your conception seems roughly accurate. Anyone who doesn't get a PR from the draft will get a nuke, which works as you described, though there will be two normal days before nukes can be used. Executions and NK's continue as normal.

-S

i meant mafia playstyle as in executions and nightkills!! thank you so much this helped me understand it a lot, i thought i might be useless unless i was here to grab a PR role

sorryyyy would someone mind confirming this for meeee

WE WILL LAUNCH A MASSIVE SALVO OF NUCLEAR HELLFIRE AT THE RUSSKIES AND THEY WILL COMMIT MASS SUICIDE BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW RUSSKIES ARE TOO COWARDLY TO DIE A PAINFUL RADIOACTIVE DEATH

*holds your hand* my president

[marry]

i mean i am PR, i am the wife of pooky

[marry]

we epicmafians are like fruit flies that keep popping up. i have no idea how to read any of you

[marry]

why do you have cake on profile

[marry]

what if he shares though? joqiza can we share

[marry]

thank you church, i can cope with this

[marry]

'All militaries switch to encrypted callsigns.' this is very sexy? my callsign will be Flamingo Who Dines In The Evening

[marry]

I'm bored at work and I want to start nuking

ive been refreshing this all day while at work and just checked the rules to see whats next... and here we still are

[marry]

we're just americans at a BBQ right now, buckaroos

[marry]

what are you voting for
a) Discussion only. Regular votes cannot yet be cast.
sir help

[marry]

what if we just kill deep-city-lights and carry on soldiers huh what then

[marry]

yes, we are roleplaying a typical american family. i am the wife, pooky is the president

[marry]

excuse me...

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pooky i didn’t realize your cabinet was an american cul-de-sac (townblock) but i am really honored to be your first lady. i hope this does not come off as a pocket, i just really like your vibes and i’m new here so reading the roleplaying is comforting and less scary

viva la revolution, dudes!!!

et al is a hydra?

[marry]

thank you!!

[marry]

MAYBE IM LYING TO YOU SO THAT YOU DONT NIGHT KILL ME SO I WILL HAVE THE CHANCE TO NUKE YOU

NOBODY TAKE ME SERIOUSLY WHEN I SAY PEOPLE ARE TOWN

EXCEPT MARRY

MY WIFE HAS TO BE GOOD

HER APPLE PIE IS DELICIOUS

;-;!!! *nodding*

[marry]

i feel safe with pooky

[marry]

what if we just kill deep-city-lights and carry on soldiers huh what then

No. Waiting for the replacement on a flaked slot, no matter how scummy is always best.

i want cred if they are bad guy then, in the form of Party in the USA being played in this thread

[marry]

BORN AND RAISED

[marry]

how hes literally protecting the homeland

[marry]

how hes literally protecting the homeland

he's not reading me, but rather electing to read ss, which in the context of the many, many, many games i've played with him, is very strange in that he *usually* tries to read me and work with me p fast, but isn't trying to work with me at all here, and i've tried to get him to a couple of times now
he's decidedly ignoring me and what i'm saying, and instead is just calling ss scum, and is now pre-emptively using that as justification for lolnuking us later on

if pooky is scum i'm p sure this is how scum is neutralizing our slot: ignoring my head, repeatedly calling ss scum for very meh reasons, and using that to nuke us later

~ skitter

ill come back to this cuz imma take a nap and im mobile. this is my pin @marry does tagging work oh well we about to find out

[marry]

how hes literally protecting the homeland

he's not reading me, but rather electing to read ss, which in the context of the many, many, many games i've played with him, is very strange in that he *usually* tries to read me and work with me p fast, but isn't trying to work with me at all here, and i've tried to get him to a couple of times now
he's decidedly ignoring me and what i'm saying, and instead is just calling ss scum, and is now pre-emptively using that as justification for lolnuking us later on

if pooky is scum i'm p sure this is how scum is neutralizing our slot: ignoring my head, repeatedly calling ss scum for very meh reasons, and using that to nuke us later

~ skitter

ill come back to this cuz imma take a nap and im mobile. this is my pin @marry does tagging work oh well we about to find out

as promised came back to it!!
this is kind of nerve-wracking for me because i don't know you guys, but here's how i've approached pooky, and how i'm reading them/understanding the game so far:
pooky, regardless of alignment, probably is making willy-nilly reads right now? if they're calling you scum right now, and you are in fact... not scum, i wouldn't worry about it? or at least, i wouldn't harp or focus on the fact that pooky's said they SR you. other than being abrasive (for lack of better word) about it, i wouldn't shut the conversation down and assume he wouldn't change his mind. again i don't know pooky, or like, any of you. i also didn't take any of the nuking conversation to be serious, more of a like "imma nuke YOU". i can't imagine anyone actually being serious about that kind of stuff so early, because that's a great way to telegraph sh*t for the mafia
idk tldr; i think it's too early and you shouldn't take this as a lock read, and i disagree with you that it's scum neutralizing your slot. unless that's meta here but that's too blatant is what i mean
or pooky is scum and i am soft-defending a roleplaying bear. til death do us part i guess
is there a way to ping someone
AHHHH PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT ME I SEE IT HAPPENING

[marry]

Marry what do you see in Pooky that makes you want to trust them? It seems like you trust them a lot.

i like the roleplay aspect because i feel it is harder to be towny when youre roleplaying, not easier. people are going to fos you for it, and this might sound stupid but like... the roleplaying is towny to me...? and they were the first person i felt like i could communicate with on the same level and they wouldn't shun/other me for being new (not that you guys would!! i was just so nervous), and i've latched on. i'll keep my ears open through the game, but for now i'm vibing

[marry]

i once correctly read her as 3P in a game--ask her about that some time.

@Marry

talk about this

it was embarrassing and i dont want to talk about it... i posted a video of myself eating a hamburger in that game and got limmed 120 seconds later, that's literally all you need to know
btw i was townsiding ):<!!!

[marry]

Why do you think Marry approaches Pooky the way they did as town and what do you think she would do if she was scum?
Marry's read on Pooky seems unreasonably strong to me and tbh, that could be concerning? Like they were like "What no way Pooky is literally defending the motherland" or something I don't remember exactly but I personally want to poke at this more.

i feel like i didn't answer this directly so i guess i'll try to clarify that i don't think she would approach pooky that way at all if she were scum... i think if she were scum her "buddying" would be more subtle.

i also think her read on pooky isn't really as strong as you seem to be saying here, it feels more like an early vibe thing to me

regardless i think marry is entirely capable of defending / explaining for herself so i don't think i need to be stepping in here and saying these things for her. i encourage you and anyone to apply pressure if that's what you feel.

i read all of your posts about me joqiza so this isnt me responding to just this one BUT i felt like i should say something instead of just lurking and pretending i didnt read it or something like a weirdo, i get teary eyed and hype as hell when u TR me correctly and i know thats not whats exactly happening but it feels really good regardless? i *rapid nodding* thank you yes yes. thank u for sticking your neck out for me basically
i'll try to figure out your alignment in the same manner and i'mma enjoy doing it (:<

[marry]

i feel like i didn't answer this directly so i guess i'll try to clarify that i don't think she would approach pooky that way at all if she were scum... i think if she were scum her "buddying" would be more subtle.

The 2 personalities seem to match. I know you know marry more than I do but I'm not sure I agree with it. I think because its Pooky its possible.

i also think her read on pooky isn't really as strong as you seem to be saying here, it feels more like an early vibe thing to me

Ya I'm also asking because it wouldn't be impossible for me to misunderstand it

I'll just reiterate what I said at the end of 759. I don't think I can do as good a job of answering your questions as she can herself and I have no issue with people pressuring her at this stage of the game. So I encourage you and everyone else to engage her directly when you have the chance.

Welcome Merlot.

MERLOTS HEREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE? @MERLOTTTTTTTTTTT

[marry]

is skitter a hydra or is church of skitter the hydra and what's that about

[marry]

Exactly what it sounds like: a dynamic where the users cannot be scum-scum and cannot be scum-town because if it were scum-scum they wouldn't be able to keep it up and if it were scum-town the scum would struggle to realistically keep it up in a way fooling the town.

Sure, but why on earth does this apply to these two? They each have only a few posts toward each other, and they seem to mostly reflect a non-alignment-related friendship, which wouldn't be fake even if one or both of them were scum.

It's specifically BECAUSE it's a not-alignment-related friendship that it's a duyamic hard for scum to fake. It's something that scum struggle with, that sort of fluff with a tone that's hard to describe hwere they have a certain aura, a certain energy to them, that they bounce off of each other. Resonating with wone another and bouncing off of each other, sound waves amplified by the other where they play off of each other in a dynamic fluid way hard to fake. I call it the Ydrasse-Hectic (well, Ydrasse-pchu in the game it happened) dynamic because I have the tendency to call the dynamic after the most memorable example of a dynamic in recent memory and the most meomorable example of it to me was FL vs Titus thus the name of it being such.

sad that i'm not seeing a wife option in the troops...
HI CEPHRIR IM ALSO SEATTLE-ISH!!!

Oh hey I am also technically Seattleish. Technically, in that I believe I count as "greater Seattle area" (which I believe is counted as "within 50 miles of Seattle" or something like that), because I live between Snohomish and Monroe, Washington. (More specifically, I live basically dead center between Snohomish, Monroe, and Lake Stevens, the three city-towns nearest to me, with me very near the intersections of Highway 2 and Highway 9. Tho the nearest city=-cty to me isn't Deeattle, it'd be Everatt because Everett be closer to me on I-5.)

Kinda surprised you didn't comment on my location since I have the between Shohomish and Monroe listed in there. (Even if you don't know the city of Snohomish Seattle's very near the county of Snohimish being just nearby, I think Seattle's technically King County tho? Could be wrong about that obv. I did get my Washington geography wrong for Kitsap County for instance so my Washington geogrpahy skills are somewhat lacking.)

i didnt see yours!! i'm in olympia!!!!!!! not too far, i'm actually going up to Renton today!! WHO ELSE IS IN WASHINGTON

[marry]

i thought she might be town from her first few posts anyway just because she presumably read her role PM and hopped right into thread and she came off town to me there, but i wanted to wait and gauge her a bit more first.

the way she's approached pooky in particular feels like her town game to me. like i think she is just trying to get a grip on the game in an unfamiliar context in the way she knows how.

MY BEAUTIFUL WIFE WHO COOKS AMAZING APPLE PIES CAN ONLY BE AMERICAN THROUGH AND THROUGH

your faith in me is well appreciated and will be rewarded with an american flag waving over my grave if i am ever to be killed in battle

[marry]

skitter can you explain why you think pooky scum other than building up to killing you bc you can just... kill him back with him acting like this if you wanted

(which is what he said lmao but they’re my words now)

that was towny and funny and thats enough for me..... *holds paw out for pocket...*

[marry]

marry you get to direct my vote (1) time this game no questions asked in exchange for circle of trust

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YES

[marry]

okay so on a skim of marry: +town because i think that she is more likely to be this comfortable as town rather than scum and would more likely be unwilling to be so buddy buddy especially knowing joqiza is in the game, he was like the only one here who knew her meta before i joined and he’s well aware she is a very charismatic/social player so doing something like she is in the absence of friends is more beneficial to her then in this game where i feel she’s just vibing

I LOVE TO SEE IT I LOVE TO SEE IT I LOVE TO SEE IT I LOVE TO SEE IT
RUSSIANS KISS MY ASS OR KILL ME

[marry]

i didnt see yours!! i'm in olympia!!!!!!! not too far, i'm actually going up to Renton today!! WHO ELSE IS IN WASHINGTON

meee i live with cephrir

washington people are all americans. dont ever nuke.

[marry]

im finally caught up we did it lads

[marry]

Merlot has an icon that is the manifestation of what I have been actively searching for since I first made this account and I am upset

I'm assuming this slot is town for the amount/depth of content at my own peril

okay so i don’t think that we’ve played together that much but when i saw this icon and picked it i actually did think it had your sort of vibe LMAO

My pride and desire to find it myself means I will not ask to trade but know that I am both envious and upset

https://imgur.com/a/XQ0qcnn i compiled 4 icons of noodle from the gorillaz in her sunglasses look because i think its the closest aesthetic i could think of thats similar to evelyn from league's kda icon

[marry]

what's pedit

[marry]

PEDIT MEANS PREVIEW EDIT

[marry]

??? Titus LMAO

It means Preview Edit, as in an edit/additional note in light of seeing another post when you hit preview

i googled 'pedit mafiascum' and found the glossary and there's so many funny terms in there

[marry]

Also I am a Seattle scummer but tbh I dont even know you marry so

this is my first mafiascum game, and i was on EM from 2017 - until it imploded!! hello i am very cute...

[marry]

so church of skitter is Alisae + Menalque AND Skitter is also a hydra? fuck offffffffffffff cmon

[marry]

I HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT FRATERNIZATION AMONG THE RANKS IS NOT ALLOWED

THIS ONLY REDOUBLES MY COMMITMENT TO MURDER THE EVIL RUSSKIES AS SOON AS POSSIBLE

can i be treasurer

[marry]

DO YOU WANT TO BE TREASURY SECRETARY OR THE HEAD OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE?

ok i just googled each of those jobs to see which is cooler and i would like treasury secretary please
"The secretary of the Treasury acts as a principal advisor to the President and the Cabinet on economic issues. The United States Department of the Treasury, which the secretary oversees, performs many important functions, including paying the nation's bills, printing money, and collecting taxes."

taxes are very american, lets print more money

[marry]

You have to know your player base too. I feel like someone like Pooky could get away with roleplay, but someone like Bell might get Foss for it.

thank u, i know 2 people in this table (joqiza and Merlot) so thats just my blind-read
i too will be evaluating reads for real once defcon3 happens

[marry]

taxes are very american, lets print more money

THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS THE ONE THAT PRINTS THE MONEY

CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY DO

okay ill be that one i wanna print more money

[marry]

guys stop fighting... peace love pixie dust... we all nuke each other tomorrow anyway

[marry]

HIIIIIIIII i got an email and it woke me up

[marry]

how 2 iso mastina :praying emoji:

[marry]

Or did some of you fuckers put literally EVERY ROLE IN ORDER instead of getting a silo

IN MY DEFENSE I THOUGHT THIS IS WHAT WE HAD TO DO AND THE SLOWEST PEOPLE GOT SILO. I WAS QUITE SLOW.

[marry]

i used randomizer.com i was stressed

[marry]

also i found out how to iso, im a quick study

[marry]

maybe i'm missing meta here but why mastina of all people, i'm looking at her iso and it's like normal to me. what are you so annoyed with, at least she made reads

[marry]

maybe i'm missing meta here but why mastina of all people, i'm looking at her iso and it's like normal to me. what are you so annoyed with, at least she made reads

She made reads on the whole game.

Where is the justification for those reads, Marry? Go on. Find them for me. Find the justification for a full reads list in Defcon 4.

I won't accept anyone being left out. 24 different people. She needs reasons for all of them. She gave reads on them all after all right?

i... i don't vibe with this, i think you would likely be irritated if she had 'reasons' for all of it and wouldn't be satisfied with that either. it's NAI to me, and honestly i can kind of follow mastina's vague train of thought actually

[marry]

i’ll try to post less in the future, sorry

literally don't listen to The Entity, i think their posts @ you were mean, i really enjoy reading your posts and they make me more comfortable

[marry]

can we just be nicer to each other... hostile vibes

[marry]

i have no meta on mastina and nothing you've said has given me insight on what that is that you're referencing

her list might be based on tone + people communicating a lot. i tend to early-townlean people like this -- pooky, joqiza (and me, im right next to him, i can follow that logic bc of our interactions right?), merlot is high and i tone read her as town, where the skitter hydra is low and et al (people or... just pooky? were scumreading them, not sure if joke), and the ispers/replacements are low. it just seems like, idk, early observations during pregame. my home game does that all the time
these are early, but if i was forced to make a 'reads list' mine might look eerily similar basically

[marry]

nod to Prism

[marry]

Like actually marry. You want to get into this so we will get into this.

You say you follow Mastina's "vague logic".

Show me. Explain her reads as better than random.

why do you phrase this like we're fighting or i've taken a side or something

[marry]

i have no meta on mastina and nothing you've said has given me insight on what that is that you're referencing

her list might be based on tone + people communicating a lot. i tend to early-townlean people like this -- pooky, joqiza (and me, im right next to him, i can follow that logic bc of our interactions right?), merlot is high and i tone read her as town, where the skitter hydra is low and et al (people or... just pooky? were scumreading them, not sure if joke), and the ispers/replacements are low. it just seems like, idk, early observations during pregame. my home game does that all the time
these are early, but if i was forced to make a 'reads list' mine might look eerily similar basically

This is not an answer.

This is "I have some similar reads on the townside so I think it is fine"!

What about her scum reads then?

this isn't getting anywhere lol

[marry]

Like actually marry. You want to get into this so we will get into this.

You say you follow Mastina's "vague logic".

Show me. Explain her reads as better than random.

why do you phrase this like we're fighting or i've taken a side or something

Because it's mafia. Or

is your experience more hugs and laughter and everyone getting along?

I am town and I suspect you are not so I am putting pressure on you to answer me

my experience is civil discussion actually. i've tried to explain myself to you and you're taking it as a battle..? why is the pressure on me to answer your questions that i've answered as well as possible-- i don't know mastina, i'm not going to speak for her, i don't know exactly what she was thinking in her readslist. why has this suddenly turned into you scumreading me because i'm engaging with you

[marry]

So first of all this is civil. I've not insulted you, I've not yelled at you. I've been forceful with questions. You don't get to decide what I am doing is uncivil. You can like it or not but that doesnt make a difference.

Furthermore, you say you don't know Mastina and won't speak for her but my point was she didnt explain anything and you jumped in to defend her from that saying you actually UNDERSTOOD her reads. The onus is on you after that. You have given some vague "i agree with this read" stuff but nothing that explains how you "understood the vague logic of mastina". Especially her scumreads. I would expect someone who defends her reads as such to have more on the plate.

Finally, you aren't engaging with me. That is why I scum read you. You threw a loose defense of Mastina and when called on it had nothing to back it up so you fall back on agruments of civility and "this isn't getting anywhere".

That is scummy because it doesn't match your prior tone. It is defensive in the way that someone caught with their hand in a cookie jar might sound

youre kinda right with the last part, it doesn't match my previous tone - i was pretty frustrated at initially seeing your replies to me because i was reading them as overly aggressive, and had a response that basically said "okay nuke me then mastina is town" typed up which... like wasnt the message i wanted to send to someone i don't know and was trying to work with with varying success. i don't knwo if mastina is town and i don't wanna die so soon because i had a flimsy read and couldn't back it up bc i spoke faster than i thought, which is objectively true. i'm used to a different playstyle, but what you're saying i don't even disagree with re: the reads list. what i've said about mastina's reads list stands, that i can kinda see the vague logic of putting people who talked a lot and seem Towny at the top, and the lurkers/people who are getting scumread at the bottom... btu that doesnt make it towny so i'mma drop it. i don't want this to be seen as backpedaling, i'm just real nervous
i didn't mean to sour this conversation and i hope we can talk more about reads

[marry]

LADYYYYYYYYYYY

[marry]

LADYYYYYYYYYYY

Ye what

You have said that you got defensive and want to reset.

So tell me your reads then, if you want to talk about them. I am listening.

;-; sigh of relief !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
no reads really, think you are right on the reads list being flimsy and scum-leaning but ive never really thought that way so its like learning a new language.

i'll be here all day and will out my reads once i. have any...

[marry]

vote: mastina

if this is scum i knew it all along and did not defend it in the slightest, and lady is my new idol
if this is town i knew it all along and am the best reader in the game, and request applause

[marry]

ITS OK BEAUTIFUL YOU WONT NEED ANY READS JUST MAKE THAT MONEY PRINTER GO BRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[marry]

VOTE: mastina that was embarrassing

[marry]

IF I AM NIGHTKILLED, LLD BETTER BE POSTING VIDEOS OF HER USING AN OUIJIA BOARD TO COMMUNICATE WITH ME OR ELSE SHES A TRAITOR TO THE COUNTRY

please never shut up

[marry]

epicmafia, apparently...

[marry]

kinda towny for samantha to be like "Yeah. Let's not nuke and just play mafia."

[marry]

i too would love some elaboration

[marry]

[marry]

im gonna learn to ping one day
@joqiza ok bud hiiiiii do you think the way this table is reading mastina is similar to how we (EM in general) would read samp4palmer if he was to show up and do the same song and dance we know him for?

[marry]

kinda towny for samantha to be like "Yeah. Let's not nuke and just play mafia."

Not sure about that. Nukes are probably scarier for scum than votes because they have less of a chance to misdirect and operate as a team.

-S

i meant like, going against the status quo for something that clearly wasn't going to happen

[marry]

im gonna learn to ping one day
@joqiza ok bud hiiiiii do you think the way this table is reading mastina is similar to how we (EM in general) would read samp4palmer if he was to show up and do the same song and dance we know him for?

you can't ping on this website

thank u Lady i love u

[marry]

i meant like, going against the status quo for something that clearly wasn't going to happen

what status quo

her vote against was literally the first post of the game

-S

i didn't backread, its scummy then for your reasoning

[marry]

Russians can't kill tonight. Terrorist kills tonight. Russians can start killing on DEFCON 2.

I think I've been reading people not knowing this, so just forwarding the info.

thank

[marry]

UGHHHH I MISS HER SO MUCH

[marry]

next vote hammers mastina

[marry]

PRISM AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[marry]

just hammer it this is a sad day

[marry]

when do we get to nuke people

[marry]

DEFCON1???????????? COME **ON**

[marry]

Blame the idiots that didn't vote for total war

only the first no vote counts

everything after that doesnt really matter

whats this mean

[marry]

"During DEFCON 5, players confirm by choosing whether to declare “Total War” or fight conventionally. If ALL players vote to go to Total War, DEFCON 3 and 2 will be skipped; the game will proceed immediately to DEFCON 1 following DEFCON 4."
OH MY GODDDDDDDDDDDD SAMANTHA

[marry]

♬we coulda had it all
nuking in the deep♬

[marry]

eavesdropper here guys. mafia said they like big butts? not really sure what to make of this, would really appreciate some help. more at 11.

[marry]

agree with et al and toogeloo

[marry]

its still painful and i was promised warfare

[marry]

eavesdropper here guys. mafia said they like big butts? not really sure what to make of this, would really appreciate some help. more at 11.

okay since you claimed, i am now going to be forcing you to post

publicly

everything you receive

so any message you receive, I want to be able to see it here. No mod communication signs just. rewrite it word for word

i hate to tell you this so early into our new friendship but it was a joke and i will claim when it is time to... this goes without saying but dont interact with my post seriously i dont wanna fish i just was breaking tension

[marry]

the mafia probably DO like big butts though

[marry]

okay, i mean, sure.

i prefer this outcome. i'd rather our eavsedropper not claim yet but

if they do claim they better claim with receipts

i would have loved nothing more than to be like Y'ALL MAFIA JUST SAID AT 11:03AM "XYZ"!!!!!!!!!! i am so eager to please

[marry]

eavesdropper here guys. mafia said they like big butts? not really sure what to make of this, would really appreciate some help. more at 11.

oh sick that narrows it down to *checks notes* pretty much everyone

be alert. be on the look out.

[marry]

[marry]

im only refreshing this thread anymore for pooky and mognet posts

[marry]

im only refreshing this thread anymore for pooky and mognet posts

Kupo it would make me very happy if you could give me a read missive

i'm about to leave work (which is when i'm most active in games, because i have a desk job, and i spilled soda on my laptop which is in the shop rn), but to be honest i dont really have many reads. my gut says you and pooky are town because you're having fun (which... doesnt mean youre town but i value fun, okay). if you iso me though you can see my stance on the game i guess?! i'm new here hi i'm marry

[marry]

im only refreshing this thread anymore for pooky and mognet posts

Kupo it would make me very happy if you could give me a read missive

i'm about to leave work (which is when i'm most active in games, because i have a desk job, and i spilled soda on my laptop which is in the shop rn), but to be honest i dont really have many reads. my gut says you and pooky are town because you're having fun (which... doesnt mean youre town but i value fun, okay). if you iso me though you can see my stance on the game i guess?! i'm new here hi i'm marry

Hi Marry! I will ISO everyone later when not dealing with missives. I hope you enjoy it here. I don’t have much in the way of reads except Gorilla is probably an American for sharing reads. That’s the only gut read I have right now. Us moogles don’t have much room for gut reads anyway.

Do you think the wagon on Mastina is natural?

mmm yes, though its not natural to

me

but in the sense that i dont have meta on mastina, but multiple people pointed out things about mastina + the reads list is scummy, so i have to kinda just believe them that they know mastina, essentially? i've never seen a "d1" wagon go so quickly so i'm just. buckling in for the ride

[marry]

joqiza hi i have a question for u in my iso, i'll repeat it here but you'll need to have read the last like. 10 pages to understand it:
do you think the way mastina has been voted is the same reasons me and you would vote samp4palmer for (doing the same song and dance consistently, nipping it in the bud)
thats what im grappling with but i dont reall think it matters til we have a flip

[marry]

@joqiza what i meant about sam is basically like, imagine we're playing the idk, 100th game with sam, and he is using his exact same meta again (which is, sam yknow). it would hold true that we would day 1 yeet him eventually, right? i feel like this is what's happening with mastina and people at the table (along with scumreading mastina), basically. fed up + scumreading the playstyle
that's basically all, there was little to no point bringing it up i just wanted to relate it to something from home

[marry]

are we not hammered yet whats the votecount

[marry]

[marry]

eavesdropper here again. mafia is saying they misspoke the other day. they actually like small butts. i find this weird.

pedit: ME EITHER? I POSTED IT BEFORE I LOOKED AT THE WHOLE THING i do not identify with the yelling part

[marry]

we are in limbo until mastina flips, kupo

[marry]

we are in limbo until mastina flips, kupo

Ugh beer.

Does anyone have beer in a gif?

I need to chill out because people should have at minimum evaluated why no counter wagon.

we just want to nuke people here

[marry]

you arguing because she had a personal anecdote that she is autistic is slimy and I called that out. And I call that out every time.

This literally never fucking happened except in your mind. At no point did I mention "mastina is autistic because she had a personal anecdote". I never even mentioned autism. You did.

That was not meant as infantilizing my point is attack the play not the player.

The fact she told a personal anecdote should have had nothing to do with your read

I called out the behavior as scummy. Contributing noise to the thread. Posting just to post and not having game-related content. That is scummy.

It is scummy behavior. Am I not supposed to call that out? The PLAY is scummy. Substituting actual content for personal anecdotes is scummy and it's something mastina has done time and time again. (If I gave a shit about meta, I'd point out how, the time I caught her and posted the infamous video about mastina's scumplay, it was because she was doing exactly this same shit. But I don't.)

You basically went "Well it's okay she's autistic" as a way to hand-wave the entire case I posted against her. As if because she's autistic we need to play with kid gloves on and not call out scummy play when we see it.

Peak virtue signaling

before you posted this, i went back to see who even brought up autism first and couldn't find it for +5 pages prior so i was kinda shocked it was brought up out of the blue

[marry]

did mastina even bring up being autistic am i missing something

[marry]

oh so she did, and moglet is saying we shouldnt use mastina's long posts against her because she stated its because shes autistic, but on the other hand its mafia

[marry]

in the "its mafia" defense, i have a memory disorder which makes mafia quite difficult for me. i try not to bring it up unless necessary and still expect people to hold me accountable regardless and if they think its scummy i dont remember my d1 reads or that i said X thing, go for it bc its mafia and like. scummy is scummy, regardless of reasons

apples and oranges though

[marry]

Lady showed me the light albeit it took me fumbling a lot so i am following Lady and also just want to see war

[marry]

i dont think any of us are insulting mastina!!!! mastina i love you i dont even know you!!!!!!! its just mafia girlies

[marry]

I think marry likes small noses

what
i touched my nose over my mask irl just now
what does this mean

[marry]

i dont think any of us are insulting mastina!!!! mastina i love you i dont even know you!!!!!!! its just mafia girlies

It really feels like that though.

No counter wagon or questioning it.

its because we want blood, mastina isnt here, and people have meta that leans her most likely to be scum here. no counterwagon has reasons, this one at least has feeble ones. its just the first death of many, and no matter her alignment, we get a LOT of reads based on how people voted, when, and why

[marry]

i dont think any of us are insulting mastina!!!! mastina i love you i dont even know you!!!!!!! its just mafia girlies

It really feels like that though.

No counter wagon or questioning it.

its because we want blood, mastina isnt here, and people have meta that leans her most likely to be scum here. no counterwagon has reasons, this one at least has feeble ones. its just the first death of many, and no matter her alignment, we get a LOT of reads based on how people voted, when, and why

Yes the game wants blood.

It feels like the game went for the easy Mastina versus scum.

She could be scum she might not be but it doesn’t feel like anyone tried.

i dont think this is necessarily true for reasons i stated. mastina was the "scummiest" person here for a lot of people and has been the topic of debate for a long time, and no one else had reasons to scumread other people. no ones died, we were still basically in pre-game, and so how are people even going to read for scumminess if its NOT meta?

[marry]

If attacking someone over their behavior in a mafia game is damaging to someone's mental health might I suggest they not play mafia.

P.edit: I'll also point out -- yet again -- that I posted a very well-thought out and reasoned case including links to supporting posts by mastina to explain my actual scumread of her (while also arguing for why a mislim isn't always a bad thing). You, Mognet, decided to just hand-wave away the entirety of my post and instead make this all about defending mastina from people who would attack her for her autism, which is not even remotely what was happening.

From my POV, you're either being willfully obtuse to the point of being obstructionist, or you're too incensed at an attack that didn't happen to talk about the game itself right now. If it's the former, you might be scum. If it's the latter (which I actually suspect), might I recommend you take a breather?

+1

[marry]

yes

[marry]

do we give the terrorist a full 24 hours to nuke someone what even happens next

[marry]

are they nuking as we speak... terrorist pwease dont hit me i'm too sexy to die

[marry]

leave joqiza alone i dont care if hes scum but you wont be voting him nuke is the only death acceptable for joqiza if any!

[marry]

is your steak sauce made in america, pooky

[marry]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
cakez was just doing the bidding of the people!

[marry]

POOKY NO

[marry]

i aint ever questioning lady again... if lady says jump i say how high

[marry]

Sick. Twisted.

[marry]

I JUST BOUGHT MY FIRST CAR also im american guys what are yall smoking...

[marry]

HONDA ELANTRA TOURING 2012????

[marry]

eavesdropper here again. mafia is saying they misspoke the other day. they actually like small butts. i find this weird.

pedit: ME EITHER? I POSTED IT BEFORE I LOOKED AT THE WHOLE THING i do not identify with the yelling part

@Marry, what did this post mean?

the pedit? it was in regards to the burning pizza fire gif, i didn't realize the last part happened where he screams

the eavesdropper part was just a joke entirely, i thought it would be the funniest role to joke about + i said earlier mafia said they like big butts. i make a lot of jokes...

[marry]

I JUST BOUGHT MY FIRST CAR also im american guys what are yall smoking...

CONGRATS i also bought a car today and I have been GOING ALL FUCKING DAY so I'm not braining at this tn

OMG REALLY congrats!! i took it to the car wash and it was such a fun experience, i feel so free T_T! my friend graduated today and its ANOTHER friends bday so ive also been zooming.

[marry]

Bah Post

how did pooky post if pookys dead... guys... guys help

[marry]

Marry’s avatar faces away from the post and its really rude

i just fixed it for you...

[marry]

I've decided after a lot of reading and thinking that I lean town on Marry.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MOM GET THE CAMERA

[marry]

POOKY NO

OUR PRES HAS BEEN ASSASSINATED

LONG LIVE LLD'S REIGN AS PRES

One of these two is scum. Mark my words.

this seems like an easy attack based on a trope that's probably false

i didn’t even acknowledge the post with a response bc i thought the same thing so im glad someone said it

[marry]

oh yall are talking about me rn. VFP i catch what youre putting down, but i really dont have an explanation for you other than i learned a new scumhunting tactic/scope? from lady (mastina long baseless readlist) and good faith’d it, theres no shame in backing down when you think youre wrong???
furthermore not sure why as scum id fake claim eavesdropper, realize it was gonna confuse people, joke about it more, and my scum partner immediately flips eavesdropper? like please think about that

[marry]

Nexus my need to be a sausage overrides my towniness sometimes ):

[marry]

i shoulda just claimed eavesdropper... im im shambles at the lost opportunity...

[marry]

“ If you're going to defend someone, you stick by it or agree with the reasons given to you.” THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED? are we reading the same game

[marry]

marry btw since you're here i think the reason i didn't vibe with your sam comment is i adore sam and would never policy lim him ever

oh i didnt mean Us in specific, i meant the collective we

[marry]

EM was nuked we cant share the game but i in fact do love to bus partners the second its viable for me, ill just confirm it. use it if u want

[marry]

VFP, assume Marry is scum. Why does scum Marry fake claim eavesdropper multiple times?

Well since mastina was eavesdropper , it's probable scum discussed and wanted to use it with no CC risk.
I didn't take the claims I saw as hard claim though. mastina flipping eavesdropper negates that as any argument here.

yeah i mean it was a joke and i clarified no one should interact with it or take it seriously in the next post... didnt know mastina of all people was the eavesdropper

[marry]

i forgot about the flygon one!!!

[marry]

oh Sonrio i bussed him once too, he was afk and i was sick of it

[marry]

i think Marty is super cute!!!

[marry]

dude i dont know mastina and the proof given to me was circumstantial and new to me at best, i agreed with lady because she reached me and got me to think for a second of what i was even doing. scum!me never enters a table of strangers, soft defends my partner, and does a public 180 when it looks cozy to. thats telegraphed and seems like low hanging fruit

[marry]

joqiza u have no obligation to knight for me but it’s appreciated and i’ll do it back for you if i feel like i can provide insight into my meta on you. does that make sense, im still not sure your alignment even

[marry]

whatever dude, big butts rule

[marry]

joqiza i guess its cuz youve mostly been.. not defending me exactly but clarifying me to the table and its hard to read for content outside of this, and i havent taken time to read your posts that werent RE: me. like i should, i just havent yet and kinda wanna blow shit up and figure your alignment out later cuz if i think youre mafia im gonna wanna nuke you and i dont want you dead. does that make sense

[marry]

joqiza town

[marry]

lld explained readslist bad
me not agree
lld pressure me
i get fussy and type long winded defensive reply. i pause and delete it to actually think about what lld’s saying. never thought about what mastina did as being a scumtell. i dont identify with that meta, i didnt think it was scummy and back in my home site i never thought it was scummy. but i could plausibly see the reasoning, and lld was so confident and knew mastinas meta, so i agreed. mastina is likely scum.
i didnt inherently scumread mastina. i didnt need to, and id be lying if i thought mastina was absolutely scum. i just learned and changed my skillset to not disagree with lld, and put my hands up where i have been proven that im not necessarily right. people view shit differently

[marry]

“ I'm argueing that because they are scum it's a scum reason for doing so.” so you... conf-biased yourself into me being mafia so anything i do is scummy? ok dude just nuke me then i dont wanna play this back and forth with you if thats how it is..?

[marry]

hmm

maybe it will help if i kinda share my perspective

i basically don't know any of you other than marry, i don't play here very much. actually i've been doing this thing where i play on different sites w/ different communities because i've been trying to better figure out tells that transcend personal meta

when playing in different communities for the first time i've noticed there's sort of a "web" of meta that already exists among people who know each other

when a bunch of people on d1 start SR'ing another person for meta reasons, it's often a decent climate for a scum flip

even if i can't see too well myself, i can sort of read the gamestate in this fashion

i believe marry's attitude may have come from a similar place here. personally i wasn't 100% sure on mastina, but i did think the atmosphere was conducive for her to flip scum because of the people who knew her SRing her. i think marry had similar comments and i think this could explain her position on mastina's wagon while independently TRing her.

does that make any sense @VFP?

this is what i was trying to explain!!!

[marry]

vfp ive spent this day arguing with you i havent read for scum and i want to nuke, you’re the one leading on me
gimme awhile to look at the actual gamestate, im mobile and mothersdaying

[marry]

i only tuned in a bit ago so its been a day to me LOL, have a good night!!!

[marry]

eavesdropper here guys. mafia said beetlejuice beetlejuice. unsure if the third was uttered.

[marry]

mognet subbed out and at this point should we just lim the slot and get to nukin'

[marry]

i think mognet is town btw i dont think they continually stir the pot like that as scum, i just think the approach was not built for this setup

[marry]

i want to see bloodshed, samantha.

also no i could not say the same for any of the wagons, the other wagons aren't getting their 3rd sub into a controversial slot. i think mognets town though so obviously i dont want them dead but also? i want anyone dead \o/

[marry]

if she flips scum i commit seppuku

Why again is marry town?

to save joqiza the pain of having to white knight me, i'd just read his iso or talk to me

[marry]

'Publicity: They will know your name. The media will kill each other for exclusive rights to your messages. Throughout the game, you will be able to Publically Leak messages to the Game Thread through the Moderator. You may communicate with the Moderator through this [PRIVATE TOPIC] at any time. Only messages you choose to leak will be posted in-thread.'
SAY SOMETHING ELSE

[marry]

let's not use the r word

[marry]

i want this day to move along i'm going to iso the wagons, i wont vote mognet because i think they were just town doing their own thing, to uhhh varying degrees of success

[marry]

k so the only wagons that aren't me are Nexus and VFP. nexus's iso is largely complaining/shade/one liners, and vfp's push on me looked like it came from at least a follow-able train of thought

VOTE: nexus

[marry]

Hey Marry and Ceph.

I want Robert Hunter dead today. Can we put pressure there instead

yes lemme go look queen

[marry]

I haven't seen a single post worth responding to.

im new here and i found shit worth responding to

There is something I believe I should disclose but I'm not sure what the correct strategy is.

this read as very towny to me for reasons people have said (doesnt wanna give mafia too much info but is outing he HAS info), however there has been 0 interaction or like... effort shown that he wants to help the game with said information, and mafia could have infromation and are holding it til its useful etc. NAI, and kinda scummy because it went nowhere

VOTE: marry

didn't explain this, ignore the fact that it's me, jumped off of it and then right back on

I read some more and I don't think mognet is scum, actually. So: VOTE: marry

Hey Marry and Ceph.

I want Robert Hunter dead today. Can we put pressure there instead

yes lemme go look queen

i lost my multiquotes... I FOUND MY MULTIQUOTES WHILE TRYING TO SUBMIT WOOOO

ok there i replied i think this will work

[marry]

in my reread of the rules to clarify what terrorist can and cannot do: terrorist apparently can have a duplicate of someones role, so a cc could happen essentially?

[marry]

The terrorist does not pick first. They pick their normal role alongside everyone else.

They also get a free choice, but that can duplicate another role. If they claim that they will be counterclaimed.

-S

u beat me to it

[marry]

i have better reasoning for voting robert than i do nexus

VOTE: robert hunter

[marry]

I am not native in English, in my language r-word is a sever offence of one's intellect, and I assumed that it has the same meaning in English. No one said it, but I found that it describes the tone how people talked to Mognet well.

it's a pretty severe insult targeted at people with disabilities so it's a big no-no, just don't use it again

[marry]

really loving lady's pocket right now. found some candy in here, an old receipt, and some lint

[marry]

my issue is he claimed and didn't work at all to figure out how to deliver the information or... do anything with it other than say he has it

[marry]

@Koto stop using the word.

[marry]

lots of people who you don't qualify as "disabled enough" have been tormented over history with that word and it's very offensive. stop arguing why you used it and move on.

[marry]

robert i know youre online dude what is this information

[marry]

we're moving on, stop saying the word

[marry]

can we get a vote count, mr cake

[marry]

thank u mr cake

[marry]

11 days until hammer guys <3

[marry]

k so the only wagons that aren't me are Nexus and VFP. nexus's iso is largely complaining/shade/one liners, and vfp's push on me looked like it came from at least a follow-able train of thought

VOTE: nexus

A follow-able train of thought is not, I think at least, better than an un-follow-able one.
Do you tend not to vote people that vote you?

maybe you misunderstand me? i dont really get what that means. VFP had reasoning for fosing me, they fought for it a bit and explained. i didn't think any of it was necessarily scummy so i dont really understand what your statement is

also i tend to vote people i think might be scum, i don't get this either. sometimes i OMGUS sometimes i don't

[marry]

DUDE I WAS RIGHT YESTERDAY.

I AM THE VICE PRESIDENT. CURRENT ACTING PRESIDENT.

GIVE ME MY FUCKING DUES. PUT RESPECT ON MY NAME.

i chortled and dropped my phone on my face while reading this

[marry]

hey dudes

[marry]

i agree with joqiza's reasons for voting nexus and think they flip scum with... higher likelihood? than robert at this point
however lady is my shepherd and if lady wants robert, i want robert. im willing to hivemind

[marry]

also someone said it already but i agree with the fact that VFP, nexus, and robert will all likely just. be nuked. daystart tomorrow??? so does it truly matter who goes over today

[marry]

also someone said it already but i agree with the fact that VFP, nexus, and robert will all likely just. be nuked. daystart tomorrow??? so does it truly matter who goes over today

I'm so ready. I wanna I wanna I wanna

people can start calling shots at this point. whos nuking who. lets be efficient about this

[marry]

also someone said it already but i agree with the fact that VFP, nexus, and robert will all likely just. be nuked. daystart tomorrow??? so does it truly matter who goes over today

I'm so ready. I wanna I wanna I wanna

people can start calling shots at this point. whos nuking who. lets be efficient about this

Idk if you're being serious but there's no reason to give scum a roadmap for who to nightkill and who claims silos

it was a joke i dont expect anyone to out they're nuking so-and-so, but also theres only 2? nightkills tonight. however theres a role that like, sabotages nukes or something so
anyway im nuking Pooky's memorial so he gets some warfare too

[marry]

ME AND JOQIZA ONLINE AT SAME TIME