Open 811 - Lovers and Losers (New Game+) [Game Over]

[Bambi Jay]

Round 2 bros. Gl HF.

[Bambi Jay]

Well the thread is unlocked so I assume we're open. Sup.

[Bambi Jay]

Can't we be lovers again Vex? I miss you.

[Bambi Jay]

Well we're both VTs appearantly so we're the VT lovers. Let's kill the other guy first.

[Bambi Jay]

Ana, we can reunite you with Kerset. As long as he isn't the other VT claim your fine obviously. We just need to save you from the other Lovers I guess.

[Bambi Jay]

Yeah Ration lost to the anime characters hardcore.

Ironic you both actually each took a former lover from their team but left both me and Vex in the dust. Were we not good enough for you guys? I'm gonna cry.

[Bambi Jay]

I'm gonna laugh if both the former VTs Klick and Tbone are the last lover pair and Llama got single again. Regardless of which of these 3 are paired, one of the singles stayed Single. That's sad.

[Bambi Jay]

I'm gonna laugh if both the former VTs Klick and Tbone are the last lover pair and Llama got single again. Regardless of which of these 3 are paired, one of the singles stayed Single. That's sad.

What is this though????????????

Very damn good RNG lol.

[Bambi Jay]

Well clearly 3 of us are lying. So to go with a theme if I want us to get the pairs first, let's get the last guy to appear.

VOTE: Klick

My stance is likely to change in like 5 pages but we gotta start somewhere.

[Bambi Jay]

bambi were you shitposting mostly last game because you knew i’d be able to clear us?

Yeh. Now I gotta try cuz I'm single.

[Bambi Jay]

Well I'm a social creature. A human, some would say. I joke anyway but I do try and solve the game most of the time.

You on the other hand seem like an antithesis to me in every way so yeah this game ain't gonna go well for you if you stay your course. But I don't wanna take Ana out this time so yet again I'll wait on that.

Guess I'll solve who it is between Vex and Llama but I'm gonna be working now so brb.

[Bambi Jay]

Half a year but yeah I change it up anyway.

[Bambi Jay]

Currently reading and the two things that stick out are I'm townread by BingleBangle and he and Vex argued about something. Oh and Ration called out my meme vote but that's expected.

The PT talk felt filler mainly cuz of the fact no decent player as evil doesn't make a fake PT discussion this time. Honestly hearing About ana complaining about Ration was the main believable one and that's NAI. Funny but NAI.

Vex I wanted to blindly trust you over Llama to make it easier on me but now my blind townread of my former lover is now null and void. I might just be missing something at work but it felt like needless banter.

Also who yelled at Bing for literally just using Mason as exaggeration? It was obvious what he meant.

[Bambi Jay]

Honestly he humored Klick the first time so he gets points for that. Also putting this in my ego for later cuz I keep mixing up the 2 games in my head.

Tbone and Klick lover set
Ration and Ana lover set
Bingle and Kerset lover set
Vex me and Llama singles

Oh yeah I guess we can start up this topic. I also wanted us to start with solving the lovers first last game and it still stands even if I ain't one. Or do the lovers this game wanna kill the VT claims first? I ask because we can't really stop the 6 votes, I'm just announcing my preference beforehand.

[Bambi Jay]

I kinda questioned it but frankly it would sound weird if I pointed it out to you.

Of the singles I wanted to trust Vex more but they're just... Well I think starting this game with bad blood with Ration wasn't the best idea unless it was a nice diversion tactic. I joked on it but I also tried to stay neutral in reading him. Because it seems literally the same way Ration acted before I assume this is his default town state. It doesn't gel with half the player list but I accept it. I want more from Anastasia but until then I'll accept that's town lover?

And of Klick/Tbone and Bingle/Kerset I reread the game this morning and say that again I hesitate because Bingle is putting in effort. But I put both Klick and Tbone over Kerset so...

VOTE: Kerset

First real vote. Sorry Ana. Though rereading Tbone and Klick made me realize we got the same wavelength with them mostly. The only thing that would be weird in a Vex/Bingle/Kerset team would be the weird argument between the first two I guess.

If those 2 flip town though I'm more likely to still believe Tbone and Klick over RM and Ana.

So yeah my preferred elim order would be

Pairs: Bingle team then Ration team
Singles: Vex then Llama.

Llama will move depending on who he sides with but for now that's that. Geez I rambled there.

[Bambi Jay]

I said I want today to be Bambi vs Llama

The hell? I literally just make a good readlist to help you but then you do this. Why not Vex?

[Bambi Jay]

How. In one post please not like 3 separate ones.

[Bambi Jay]

Because my townread on you is based more in last game and this game aligning up in your play style I've seen so far. I would still be going for you now if it wasn't for that. Tbone and Klick are actually being proactive AND townie. Bingle is being proactive and seni-townie, and Kerset feels like filler. Hence how I ranked you six

[Bambi Jay]

First real vote. Sorry Ana. Though rereading Tbone and Klick made me realize

we

got the same wavelength with them mostly.

What do you mean by 'we'?

The sentence implies in itself that it's Tbone and Klick. Klick said earlier he thought the scumteam was KersetBingleVex. I agreed with that without quotes.

Do you really gotta nitpick the little things like that?

[Bambi Jay]

Llama hasn't given me enough yet to work on so basing it off of Bingle and Vex is good enough for me now.

[Bambi Jay]

So? I'm seeing the connections between the 2 sets. I'm basing it off of their interactions.

[Bambi Jay]

So you put both the other VTs as scum?

[Bambi Jay]

Well on the last page bottom he put me above you so there's that.

It's just literally one of us has to be good from his perspective. Or both if he's evil.

[Bambi Jay]

I claimed VT. That's pretty townie.

[Bambi Jay]

Plus this game and last I have said I preferred solving the Pairs first but last time you complained about your vote and opinion not mattering then. So I didn't wanna upset you or others.

Will answer other question when I sit down.

[Bambi Jay]

For lack of a better word its inefficient and maybe an excuse to avoid voting town who does get picked off.

Like if you want Player A who is a lover with Player B dead... Player B has two votes and A has none... why vote A?

Who's this referring too first of all?

I claimed VT. That's pretty townie.

Lets try this question (actually if everyone can answer it I would appreciate)...

Why do you think there are wagons on both sides of the Kers/Bingle wagon and the TBone/Klick wagon? Is this any sort of a tell for the people voting or impact your opinion on those two slots?

Because its really bothering me and im trying to figure out why.

well with lovers it doesn't matter who you vote to elim since they both die? When the time to kill comes the votes will consolidate on one. I guess rn we're voting who we think is the scummier one of the pair. It's too say their main problem is with that person in particular.

[Bambi Jay]

It's a principal vote my dude. It doesn't have to make sense. We just vote the scummiest guy not regarding the pairing.

Besides, maybe it's just me, but I don't want the game going super quick getting to E1 yet.

[Bambi Jay]

Rational literally can't comprehend figures of speech or jokes Tbone. That's an irrational idea.

[Bambi Jay]

He also still didn't get my first Klick vote was an obvious RVS vote. He's just built different.

[Bambi Jay]

VOTE: Ration

If your gonna be like this the entire time I don't wanna deal with it.

You clearly don't jell with the player list. I don't care if your town or scum. Quiet down for a bit or we just policy you instead. This game is supposed to be fun and you seem to be ruining it for others.

[Bambi Jay]

If you think he is town (or even probably) dont do that. Policy is pretty much a D1 immediate move. Utility is more of this, but only if you have no read on them.

My townread is based on him being the same as last time. If this is his default that doesn't matter. Plus frankly the longer he's around the less fun I and probably others are having.

We just need to solve who town is from the other lover sets. But I can't focus if Ration stays like this.

[Bambi Jay]

Sigh. I hate when logic and reason wins out.

VOTE: Vex

Also whAaaaat I didn't know you were Korina. Good to see ya again.

[Bambi Jay]

No wonder Bingle said you were another hard player to read. Your naturally evil like me!

[Bambi Jay]

I'm like a cat. it's based on my current mood whether I follow people or not.

[Bambi Jay]

@Bambi - Is your vote more based on thinking Vex is scum or that I am town?

Vex pairs better with the other guys. You'd pair with Rational I guess but we aren't aiming for the Pairs RN so I guess that's alright.

[Bambi Jay]

i can't read you, which is why i want you dead first tbh

That sounds more like you fear him more in miselim so you'll 1v1 me instead.

[Bambi Jay]

i can't read you, which is why i want you dead first tbh

That sounds more like you fear him more in miselim so you'll 1v1 me instead.

Vex admitted to being kinda similar to me so I'm thinking from my scum style perspective.

If I'm more confident I can beat someone similar to me in a miselim, then I use "paranoia" to get the person I DON'T want to face in endgame.

So if they're like me at all then they're doing what I would do as scum. But my town brain knows how evil my scum brain can be so I must eliminate it first because I don't know if I can't beat it in a 1v1.

Therefore, scum Bambi should be targeting Llama, so town Bambi should target scum Bambi, who in this case is Vex.

Simple math really.

[Bambi Jay]

i’d much rather not face you in endgame as scum since we’re similar in playstyle.
you versus me would come down to simply who can persuade the other, whereas me versus llama is overall play, which i’m confident in

Scum bambi would love to duel town Bambi to the death... But you are slightly different so I guess it's okay

[Bambi Jay]

Llama you ever play against their Alts instead? Maybe one of those games.

[Bambi Jay]

Ah, so if we get Vex got I got an Exe on me, cuz I still don't know the new name for that role. condemner or something.

But frankly as long as Vex flips red we good.

[Bambi Jay]

what if i don't flip red though?

Well then I hope to God I can put up a fight against Llama and don't give scum an instant win.

[Bambi Jay]

To be fair Rational, your track record isn't helping your case in the misread department.

[Bambi Jay]

Nice slip, you admitted you know I am Town this game but therefore my read is correct.

Did you forget that that only matters if you aren't just this dense normally? So far it seems literally apart of you.

Actually post me a scum game of yours. I have to know.

[Bambi Jay]

I see you didn't post a scum game for me to read. And it's a very tame insult.

[Bambi Jay]

I missed you more.

Please save your lover pair if your town because Rational is making me really wanna elim him and you'll die in the crossfire. Unless your scum of course, then go back to lurking.

[Bambi Jay]

He is also ignoring I have given a readlist before, and have stated my preferences for today multiple times as well. 519 basically sounds more like they just want me gone for even stupider reasons. Kerset voted me and Llama is actually evaluating his options, but it felt more like you've targeted me for my playstyle only, plus it feels more like a grudge because I started most of the Ration jokes and others followed along.

Ana what do YOU think of me?

[Bambi Jay]

Careful Tbone he'll put you as my partner if you keep that up.

[Bambi Jay]

VC

VC

You didn't even do the last VC. The heck.

[Bambi Jay]

I somehow usually end up third to fifth every time and that makes me proud. Not to quiet not to loud.

Didn't think Vex had that many posts. Guess Ration's felt more like giant unpleasant walls I remembered more of.

[Bambi Jay]

Ration going against Tbone? Good enough reason for me to trust Tbone on this. I was also voting Kerset before I got distracted by Ration annoying me.

VOTE: Kerset

[Bambi Jay]

Our mod doesn't actually post VCs. He just likes the acronym VC and uses it for pagetops and not actual Vote counts.

[Bambi Jay]

???

I was confused when you brought that up. At that point the other 2 lover pairs brought up their pairings already, I noticed that the last two lover pairs last game swapped partners while me and Vex both became single. I thought it would've been funnier if the last town singles became the new couple while this game. I like tk picture me and Vex breaking up respectfully while Ana and Kerset was separated by the mod so their love couldn't prosper.

It also brings up the prospect that Llama is forever alone so that's nice.

[Bambi Jay]

Damn my luck for getting it right then. But I blame the reroll for making the results funny and like a mirror of last game.

[Bambi Jay]

I like how everyone is either: arguing to determine the scum, declaring to be busy or being Bambi. Her uninterested approach in recent pages is such obv scum behavior.

She is not even trying to hide lack of need to solve.

Are you going with the Ration school of thought by saying Bambi isn't doing anything when I clearly am?

How am I disinterested in solving?

[Bambi Jay]

Because I have better people to solve and talk too and if I talk to you directly too much I'll be distracted and focus hard on going after you. Your playstyle doesn't mesh with mine so I'm putting you in the proverbial corner while I talk to others.

My current solve is Bingle/Kerset going then RM/Ana going for the pairs. For the singles it's Vex then Llama but that one seems more likely it's just Vex.

[Bambi Jay]

Tbone gels with me and isn't scummy. Call it gut but he's the most townie lover and Klick ain't too bad either. My best memory of Kerset before they go after me was them crying with Ana, who also has went radio silent sadly. I've already made my opinion of Ration known. Bingle is trying extra hard for more time to solve but from my perspective he's trying to delay it so he can make up for Kersets less then stellar scum game so far.

[Bambi Jay]

You were wrong atleast the second time, and also probably the first.

[Bambi Jay]

Are you in one of your tunneling moments, Radiant?

I was literally asked by another player to give reasoning behind my vote and my username isn't fucking Radiant.

Well one, was the curse necessary? If anything we're the ones that wanna curse from YOUR actions and you use it against someone who literally just joined.

Second: you tell him Tbone. Maybe it takes 5 people speaking before he realizes he's doing something wrong.

Is it from a scummy mindset or is it literally who Ration is as a person tho? That's my hesitation. Mainly because when I vote him now it ain't for strategy it's just because of everyone he's not my favorite person atm.

[Bambi Jay]

Nani trick?

[Bambi Jay]

So ironically thinking the worst of his personality might make him townie. That's ultra meta.

Yeh no matter what I feel like I would've gotten him elimed last game too like this. And that was with Bingle holding him back. Ana is MUCH more passive so he has free rein of that pair.

The unfortunate news here Tbone is I guess if both the other lover pairs think your the evil party you gotta rely on all 3 VTs instead. Or maybe convince Ana to see reason. Because I trust you and now VFP by proxy, and if you think it's Bingle/Kerset then they win if you die cuz Ration sure as heck won't beat them in a 2v1.

We can go back to the VTs first instead but that'll just end with Ration tunneling me again and if he's the town pair it's GG. So yeh.

Maybe get rid of Ration for the variable since that seems the safest? Then it's you and VFP against Kerset and Bingle and you can convince the other VT your right. Best case scenario Ration is the evil guy. Worst case we get a fighting chance.

[Bambi Jay]

Very private convos indeed.

[Bambi Jay]

God this soap opera gets more interesting each time.

Goes to show how a player list affects the game I guess.

[Bambi Jay]

My girl Ana left me. My buddy Vex decided to become employee of the month and has no time for me. One person who still likes me, bambi is a criminal and soon goes to jail. Life is so hard. All i can do is to hang out with the neighbors kid.

Just because your evil this game doesn't mean we can't chat about nice things this game. As a fellow anime pfp, we get along. Tho technically your a Visual Novel game character and I'm currently a Manga only character. Only Tbone is true anime becuz I dunno what Ana is from.

I like you! Just not more than a friend and not as a fellow townie...

""Fellow townie""

As a very Rational person I declare this a scum slip of TMI by acknowledging them as a 'townie' when IM the true town. Tbone slipped Bingle and Kerset are the other townies.

**Sarcasm mode turning off**

[Bambi Jay]

Did Kerset get hammered or are they at E-1 now btw?

[Bambi Jay]

Don't tell Smart we're onto him VFP.

[Bambi Jay]

(expired on 2021-05-23 22:00:00)

Have we atleast decided we're starting with the lovers? We might be running out of time.

[Bambi Jay]

Actually wait a second why does it matter if we run out of time if scum don't have a nightphase to shoot us or something

@Mod:

What would you actually do in a nightless game if we run outta time?

[Bambi Jay]

Nightless actually changes things here.
A lim on the scum lovers day 1 is an automatic win.

I'm going to think on it first then see where I go.

I mean by default of Tbone your my top townread but you didn't know the wincons coming in? Geez.

Scum win with 2 elims of either group. But yeah my vote is on Kerset still until this day ends unless all the lovers basically choose to go for the singles.

[Bambi Jay]

I saw a marathon of words and I've been gone but from the bit i saw I guess we've been pushing Ration and Ana. It still falls in line with Tbone and VFP being my lockdown pick so there's that.

Only got 1 favor really. I'll obviously vote Ana if y'all don't wanna go along with it but I wanna elim Ration on principal instead and not just getting him on a technicality. It's the same result but voting Ration feels better.

VOTE: Ration

Will probably reread the last 2 pages but frankly nothing on there changed my views at all. I got Smart as the goon from the VTs becuz of Vex, and with Tbone and VFP as town the other 2 are expendable and I think they can convince the other VT (probs Llama) they are the town pair if we're put in Lim or Lose.

[Bambi Jay]

Tbone literally has list mod powers and can change his vote with 1 press of an edit button or just a revote but just says 'nah too lazy'.

Respect. But I do request the mod say we eliminated Ration instead.

VOTE: Ana

Anyway did I miss anything important otherwise cuz I'm at work and I only skimmed the last 3 pages

[Bambi Jay]

I'm gonna get post 1000 woop woop.

[Bambi Jay]

I'm using this valuable post to tell you all something important.

The mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell.

Edit: FUXK

[Bambi Jay]

If 8 of us say you are obtuse and only the victim disagrees...

You are obtuse.

[Bambi Jay]

I absolutely would be willing to deal with fallout of being wrong on you here.

Which is... what? Probably losing the game?

Vex tried to kill Llama first cuz they couldn't read him as well as me due to us having similar personalities... Supposedly. Frankly it felt more like an easy wincon of killing the more experienced guy who probably would've beaten Vex in Elim or Lose.

So honestly Vex probably wanted to use the fact I meme more and don't put as much thought into my posts against me to get me killed in a final elim to win. If Vex was a paranoid town that actually legit just wanted to be sure... Well played to Llama I guess but if only for that I will always vote You over Llama first.

[Bambi Jay]

They did it multiple times actually.

if bambi's playstyle is what i think it is, i don't really care, since i know i'll be able to read them.

i can't read you, which is why i want you dead first tbh

Next one towards me

i’d much rather not face you in endgame as scum since we’re similar in playstyle.
you versus me would come down to simply who can persuade the other, whereas me versus llama is overall play, which i’m confident in

Im just trying to figure out of Vex would actually use "I cant read them" as a reason to push a wagon as town right now when they apparently have no reason to town read the other member.

i look at it this way:
i'd much rather have someone i know i can flag as town/scum alive than someone i cannot flag as either alignment.

When do you successfully read Bambi then? What needs to happen first?

Also again how do you know you cant read me when you *never* have played with me as town until now?

i don't think i've ever played with bambi before. i think they were in one of my games a long time ago, but i barely remember that. wrt to reading bambi, i just need the game to play out more.
additionally, i know my own limits as a player, and i feel like i have a relatively firm idea of what your playstyle is, which is why i feel comfortable making these calls atm.

@llama - bingle has literally said bambi’s playstyle is 70% mine.
bambi has also agreed to this.
why *wouldn’t* i be able to read someone whose playstyle is very similar to mine?

[Bambi Jay]

That post literally said my opinion point blank. What is Kerset smoking?

[Bambi Jay]

That is good, I want it to be more and more obvious how scummy he is.

He's literally just going to blame your personality for it.

The longer the shit-fight between you and him goes on for, the less likely anyone is going to have the patience to actually read it.

I'm already not reading alot of his stuff.

@Tbone: are ya sure you want us to focus the VTs first? I mean I trust your town but Kerset and Ration obviously don't townread or like me respectively. If we kill Smart and it's actually Llama both the other Lovers probably'll vote me too.

Well maybe I can convince one of Ana or Bingle I'm town but I guess that depends which pair is scum.

I guess it's fair either way because if we're wrong on Ration/Ana it would be reversed with only needing one VT to be wrong instead. So I guess it's always a risk.

VOTE: Smart

[Bambi Jay]

Oh Tbone ain't voting Smart yet? Welp... I can still switch later when I'm not at work if something changes.

[Bambi Jay]

Town duh. That's why I'm agreeing to elim Smart first. It's just paranoia because they aren't scum until they flip so I organize my thoughts into all the scenarios. It also helps people read my intentions later

[Bambi Jay]

I aligned with a pair the same reason your aligning yourself with Smart. They're my townreads and I'll die on that hill. Call me stubborn but if I hesitate I lose. I'll stick with those 2 until the end.

[Bambi Jay]

Cuz both the VTs agreed finally to put down the outlier instead?

[Bambi Jay]

Who are my partners?

Probably the one guy trying to save you atm.

[Bambi Jay]

Also... that doesn't even make any sense. Hard defending your partner is the dumbest possible strategy in this setup, considering scum only need to win one minigame to win.

Well yeah. If 3 people work together to make sure they win 1 of the groups it's GG. So going hard defense is valid if your going for a nice double elim win.

[Bambi Jay]

Well I can't speak for you but I guess that's what Vex tried. You just replaced into a bad position.

[Bambi Jay]

So why not vote him first?

I mean, that was just tried....we literally tried with all three lovers pairs over the course of this game. This is not the provocative statement maybe you envisioned it to be?

Seems like a flail.

So we're certain VFP will hammer right? Cuz otherwise I guess we run out the clock for plurality.

[Bambi Jay]

Also whoever asked for an extra 2 days you got Smart killed instead of Ration and Ana funnily enough. All cuz we had more time, so Smart dies.

[Bambi Jay]

@mod - Can we get an extension? We just replaced almost a third of the game and now have under 48 hours to deadline with weekend when a lot of people disappear coming up.

Sure, adding 48 hours to current deadline.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-05-25 22:00:00)

Oh it was Llama. That's kinda funny.

[Bambi Jay]

Because you owe your life to overtime and ironically it's being used to elim your appearant top townread as well. It's funny to me atleast

[Bambi Jay]

VC 1.33

With 9 votes, it takes 5 to eliminate

Something_Smart (4)

- Bingle, LlamaFluff, Bambi Jay, T-Bone

Bambi Jay (2)

- Kerset, RationalMadman

Anastasia (1)

- VFP

Bingle (1)

- Something_Smart

LlamaFluff (1)

- Anastasia

Note Voting -

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-05-25 22:00:00)

VOTE: Bambi I guess. Not thrilled with this but it is what it is.

Even with your vote and possibly Ana's it'd only tie. And first to majority 4 being us wins. Not even counting VFP swapping soon.

Edit: as a reminder for people who don't know me I literally don't care what gender ya call me.

[Bambi Jay]

Ration you have literally been after me this entire game. Continuously doing the same thing and not listening to reason is a form of gamethrowing here. Heck even if Smart flips red you'll still wanna kill me.

You ignore my posts along with Kerset and having a lover from 2 separate pairs on my ass isn't helping me in knowing who's bad because frankly you seem to just despise my very playstyle.

If it's Kerset and Bingle as the scum I'll just assume Ana will vote with me Tbone and VFP instead of you. If your scum...well god you played this to the point we wanted you elim'd but somehow survived while fighting both the other Lovers.

Llama do you atleast agree with me Tbone and VFP are the confirmed town or are you with Bingle and Kerset.

[Bambi Jay]

You have dampened my enjoyment of this game quite a bit so far and that's an accomplishment Ration. You never even gave town me a chance you just said I'm scum and built from there.

[Bambi Jay]

I've revealed my reads which Kerset ignored and you just didn't give a crap about. I just... I'm gonna go to sleep now I can't focus.

When I wake up when Smart flips red at this point I'm just gonna vote Ration out.

[Bambi Jay]

Oh.

I mean I guess I gotta vote Llama now but I wasn't expecting it. Vex legit was paranoid enough to just give up solving Llama.

VOTE: Llama

Ana I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm only recognizing it now half awake because it's literally me or him.

[Bambi Jay]

I mean... Can you convince me or Llama to not instantly vote the guy who's confirmed evil in our mind now?

[Bambi Jay]

If anything the guys getting emotional are me Llama Ana and Ration. Mostly because of the latter.

[Bambi Jay]

Oh Tbone ain't voting Smart yet? Welp... I can still switch later when I'm not at work if something changes.

Ironically it mostly happened because I saw a post earlier during the Ration monologue I thought got posted by Tbone saying he was switching to Smart. Turns out it was a Llama post and I didn't unvote yet because I still didn't read everything since I was at work and still thought it was something those 2 wanted. That's why I asked those questions to Tbone.

Looking at it it was me/Tbone/VFP who did the most because I swapped but was gonna swap back... Then Llama started making sense to me and I guess we got Smart instead.

The outlier is mostly the fact the other 2 on the Wagon is Bingle and Llama... Well clearly Bingle could've just followed Ration on me if he scumread me enough but he was also one of the first on Smart.

Kerset clearly wanted me gone. Ration clearly wanted me gone. Ana wanted Llama gone. Bingle wanted Smart gone. The other Lovers are divided and that's what's making this weird.

[Bambi Jay]

I mean it's bad but you got a deadline extension and also made the main push to get Smart out instead of Ana and co.

This is the main thing wrong here. This is literally what Vex meant when they said they didn't wanna deal with you in a finale setting. I believe in town to solve this tho.

Considering how this is going so far if Ana and Ration got elimed instead then flipped town you literally would've gone all or nothing against Tbone and VFP. The game would've come down to Smart siding with one of us but you didn't trust it to be you.

My solve is twofold. They save Ration and Ana because Ration has been on my ass this entire game and that gets 4 votes on me. Literally RM and Ana are playing against each other so it depends on who gets 4 votes first.

This is most based on the fact that Ration and Ana are divided by me and Llama who we now know is one town one scum. Bingle and Kerset divided between Smart/Vex and me, who from my perspective is town/town since I know I'm town and Smart flipped.

Sure both the other Lovers are divided but the other 2 Are divided between scum and town. Kerset and Bingle are divided by Town and Town votes. So it has to be Kerset and Bingle because scum don't divide so easily against one of their own but they CAN split and attack both VTs while leaving their partner alone.

Team has to be Bingle/Kerset/Llama. Final solve but we win this only if we all vote before Ration gets back because frankly he'll scum side instead.

[Bambi Jay]

This is most based on the fact that Ration and Ana are divided by me and Llama who we now know is one town one scum. Bingle and Kerset divided between Smart/Vex and me, who from my perspective is town/town since I know I'm town and Smart flipped.

Sure both the other Lovers are divided but the other 2 Are divided between scum and town. Kerset and Bingle are divided by Town and Town votes. So it has to be Kerset and Bingle because scum don't divide so easily against one of their own but they CAN split and attack both VTs while leaving their partner alone.

Why llama never gives ideas like this? Everyone shares some creativity with us expect of llama, who only fights arguments.

Why are you complimenting me I called you evil? Nani.

[Bambi Jay]

First of all, work and sleep exists. Second... Arguing a lot here beyond the base points isn't my style. I'll let Ana Tbone and VFP ask me any questions they need to settle their worries on me.

[Bambi Jay]

Comedy is his natural kryptonite anyway. Also hey Kerset you can also ask me questions if ya want.

[Bambi Jay]

Well you complimented me earlier so fair play.

Also Bingle pushing SS... I don't know your partner the best but honestly it was probably becuz he could justify a townread on me easier then Vex then Smart because abandoning the game without answering any questions from anyone doesn't really gain any town points. That and the slot was the least townread of the VT slots so pushing it was easy.

[Bambi Jay]

Well I'm not gonna lie Bingle that's pretty fucking hard to find if you don't trust your gut since my meta is mood based more then most.

But from my earlier attempt at a solve... Even if you disagree with my conclusion does it make sense from a town perspective? That part is for everyone obviously.

[Bambi Jay]

I already know literally anything I say to you is pointless. If you haven't read my posts and style yet you aren't gonna try later. When I mentioned Tbone VFP and Ana to ask me questions it's cuz I trust them to be well thought out. Even if it's very unlikely atm on the off chance they're town I wanna talk with Kerset and Bingle. I'm even willing to interact with confirmed scum Llama because arguing with him will help the others solve.

Your questions to me I'm ignoring because you live in your own head and it isn't just from my responses. We make each other angry when we talk to each other, or atleast I know I get annoyed, so it's better I talk to others instead.

Edit: it's in the rules that first to 4 votes and it stays tied goes to whoever gets there first. I also said that in an earlier posts but we don't really like to read each other's post so I understand you not seeing it.

[Bambi Jay]

I voted you/Ana because I dislike you and would've rather have solved between the other 2 lovers instead. Sorry to Ana but legit at that point even if I wanted to, you just... You were aggressive and scummy and calling me scum continuously that I just said fuck it when Tbone and them changed their minds to kill you I agreed instantly.

I dunno if you got another question that's the one that stuck out in the ISO.

[Bambi Jay]

Well my opinion from my earlier solve I still think is true about Ration and Ana having to be disorganized town is probably legit. It would also be ballsy if Ana was scum and instantly put down her vote and put Ration in an uneviable desicion to go against his partner.

Maybe I'm just wrong

maybe you're all right and Llama really is town and I'm being an idiot

It's not like I can get anyone to vote for him anyway so why does it even matter

I mean I'm leaning that way so...I'm listening.

Honestly this scares me depending on interpretation. So my first obvious reading was Tbone comforting Ana and agreeing with her. But my paranoia came back and thought he might've meant it as in he ALSO was starting to townread Llama instead.

I mean I followed Bingle and Llama onto Smart and assuming I'm right I followed the scumteam and elimed a townie... But then that means Tbone and VFP followed me instead of staying on Ana. I know VFP replaced in and mostly was following me but their first instinct coming into this game was to vote me out until Tbone said not to.

If I read into this conspiracy theory style that would mean VFP wanted to vote and kill the VT that the other 2 lover pairs suspected but Tbone told them they were pocketing me. Tbone was good to go on Ana and RM but suddenly switched to the VTs becuz I switched to em. Tbone wouldn't just follow me so easily tho? I dunno. I haven't proved anything like a big brain solve I literally only voted there cuz I misread Llama's post as from Tbone.

Obviously this ends the debate if you or Kerset vote me now then I know your the bad guys and/or we lose the game on my elim. But if my brain is saying this is Tbone ready to pounce and get Ana to vote me and win... Well that would suck.

So before paranoia I had you as confirmed scum, but with paranoia I'll listen to a case from ya that told us why they were scum instead. I might've ignored you and Kerset earlier having a case, but if you got a case that helps me prove it's Llama and those 2 I'll read it.

[Bambi Jay]

Having a 1v1 is way more stressful then it looks.

[Bambi Jay]

I'm ok with Bambi being elimmed here.

If she flips town i'll get to say i told you so

if she flips scum i'll get to avoid disaster and blame

I am so good at this game.

That is literally the opposite of a town mindset and you should feel bad.

For complaining about Ration atleast he's fighting to kill me with effort and spirit. If you garuntee scumread Llama over me switching vote is admitting to being scum because for town that's gamethrowing.

[Bambi Jay]

While I'm at it, since I kinda ignored ya in favor of bullying Ration, why did you vote so early in day 2? Me and Llama are excused because we know the other is evil, but you putting your vote out there and even contemplating switching over with Ration already saying his vote is on me?

Don't encourage people to vote your townread unless your partner is Llama.

[Bambi Jay]

To Ration, Bingle, and Kerset... Ana too I guess

Do all 4 of you agree I'm most likely to be partnered with Tbone and VFP? Genuine question because that'll tell me the course of action I gotta take.

[Bambi Jay]

Okay. My other question for ya then I asked the others, but from your perspective am I more likely to be a team with Team Tbone or team Bingle?

[Bambi Jay]

Ah Ration made his move, this'll be much easier.

[Bambi Jay]

Ana, vote me too please.

Tbone and VFP, vote Llama then we'll both be at 3.

You'll figure out the scum team when Bingle and Kerset don't instantly hammer. They'll be confirmed town and we win after more debate and we prove Llama is the bad guy.

[Bambi Jay]

Game is solved since Ration and Ana voted first. Those 2 voting me together will prove the results.

If me Tbone and VFP vote Llama they can't hammer without killing their teammate and being suspicious. Llama already is voting me so their 3 scum votes can't kill me.

Bingle and Kerset already agree I can only be scum with Tbone and VFP, so even if Ana decides to not unvote Llama here and team Tbone votes him to 4 votes neither Bingle or Kerset will hammer, and Ration won't kill his partner.

I'm not in danger of dying since if Ana switches we got all 3 baddies voting me and they won't hammer Llama. So we win when we prove the scumteam can only be Tbone/VFP/Bambi or Ration/Ana/Llama. With Kerset and Bingle as confirmed town to decide it town wins.

Edit: Mod you missed Ration voting me last page.

Fixed, just for you. -Y

[Bambi Jay]

My plan doesn't really need your consent in the matter, but thanks for the input. I'll explain it more tommorow when I wake up.

[Bambi Jay]

I can’t wait for an explanation as to how this isn’t just a terrible idea, tbh.

Let me explain it then. Assume your town okay?

Frankly fmp I know I'm town right? So I know how to minimize risk to myself here. Ration has been targeting me since day 1 and Ana didn't do much besides probably bus Llama. Not even that well considering she already admitted to wanting to switch votes.

Scum will usually vote first in this situation disregarding me and Llama since we already know the other has to be our target. If your scum you set your votes on both your partner and the VT to have an instant hammer opportunity when 2 of you vote.

From your perspective I guess I can be scum with them but since I can tell their goal is to get me killed I believe they just need Bingle and Kerset to vote me to win, hence me trusting them now.

I trust Tbone and VFP still obviously so having them vote Llama with me shows not only did they not wanna hammer me to show they aren't partners with Llama, Ration and Ana wouldn't be able to quick hammer Llama since that just kills their partner and it doesn't help them survive when we confirm that atleast Bingle and Kerset are town. Same but reversed if ya believe the other 2 are my partners. They'd only be able to hammer me.

To Ration, Bingle, and Kerset... Ana too I guess

Do all 4 of you agree I'm most likely to be partnered with Tbone and VFP? Genuine question because that'll tell me the course of action I gotta take.

No since only you follow Bone not the other way.

Okay, different question then. Since YOU know your town, and you know 1 of each a pair and a single are together, let's look at the pairs.

Bambi/Ration
Bambi/Tbone
Llama/Ration
Llama/Tbone

Which makes more sense to ya?

[Bambi Jay]

Ana, vote me too please.

Tbone and VFP, vote Llama then we'll both be at 3.

You'll figure out the scum team when Bingle and Kerset don't instantly hammer. They'll be confirmed town and we win after more debate and we prove Llama is the bad guy.

You could ask bone to vote llama and vfp you. It would be simpler. The only problem will be if you happen to be scum with ana. In that case your complex plan gives you insta win.

So in this scenario you want the votes to be like this?

Bambi: Ration, Llama, VFP
Llama: Bambi, Ana, Tbone

Considering my plan is to show your town, this can work too. Doesn't lock me in as partners with Tbone or Llama with Ration, but I can work with that and you have the assurance that a team of Bambi/Ration or Llama/Tbone doesn't fuck you over with a quick hammer.

I'll also agree with that just to prove to you it isn't you.

[Bambi Jay]

If I was scum I wouldn't agree to change my plan just to make Kerset feel better about literally trying to confirm them as town. Unlike Llama I'm actually TRYING to solve a town pair to help everyone.

VFP and Tbone... I've been kinda following ya but if you follow the plan Kerset suggested of each voting 1 of me and Llama so neither the ration pair nor the Tbone pair can hammer, then we're almost there and from your perspective you confirm Kerset and Bingle is town and know Ana and Ration is scum.

We win if we confirm 1 town pair and I know Kerset and Bingle won't let Tbone and VFP be the ones not voting. If we confirm Kerset and Bingle we win.

If you wanna argue me being teamed with Kerset and Bingle go at it but I'm literally only doing this as a form of trust. Logic only goes so far if we don't do something. I just want to actually solve this and I'm betting the game now cuz Ration acted to quick and Ana has been too passive.

All in on those 2 and Llama being the team. I don't know what else to do to prove it to you.

[Bambi Jay]

Okay I am done. Everyone vote Bambi.

Bambi has actively refused to answer a direct question repeatedly.

I also disliked it, so i will lend you a hand here.

(expired on 2021-05-29 20:00:00)

Here is a timer after which i will vote.

What question from Ration is so important that this has to be asked? Now that I'm positive he's evil I'm ignoring him mostly. I just need to talk with you and Bingle.

[Bambi Jay]

Kerset's suggestion would indeed conftown us with no risk of anyone else being able to hammer, but I don't know why anyone would actually agree to that since if you're townreading us to the extent of being willing to go through with that plan then you've functionally conftowned us anyways and it's just a useless gesture.

To prove your town to Tbone and VFP. Along with literally just trying to show I'm solving the game and not just repeating "yeah Bambi Evil I don't care to solve her partners yet". I can't do much more then throw suggestions and hope smarter people can fix em. Since Kerset pointed it out that my plan was appearantly more scumsided then I thought from a non me perspective I will change it to that plan.

[Bambi Jay]

Do you have a better idea that helps me prove it's Ana and Ration besides finding a way to confirm you instead?

Does town really vote so early AND split their votes the way they did? And obviously it goes without saying, but scum apathy is a thing and Ana literally disappeared and came back to whine about Ration then left and came back with a basic "it's Llama" read without backing it up or even giving a real reason to townread me.

[Bambi Jay]

I already explained the llama read.

you didnt listen to me yesterday and you're still not listening to me today despite you knowing for sure its llama

I am done talking to you

I already said I was done talking with Ration too so good enough for me.

[Bambi Jay]

Kerset and Bingle: do you think Tbone and VFP are a team with Llama?
Tbone and VFP: same question but with Kerset and Bingle instead.

[Bambi Jay]

You did save them in the end tho. That's what matters. Well, your case did which me Tbone and VFP followed.

[Bambi Jay]

It'll have a point later. for you it's mostly asking as a confirmation you still think it's a possibility.

[Bambi Jay]

Again, I literally said I was ready to switch back and only didn't because Tbone switched over and told VFP to do the same.

[Bambi Jay]

Not as much, admittedly. But considering both you and I said we thought Smart was scum because of how Vex acted and I trusted you at the time, you can forgive me there. That and it was hard for me to separate my scumread and dislike of Ration into 2 separate things.

[Bambi Jay]

Because I hated his style and I thought it was easier to elim him first then you if you were scum afterwards. Strategic reasoning besides "you aren't Tbone and Klick" atm wasn't there so I let emotions guide me.

[Bambi Jay]

How is "I don't like you" fake? Do you think I secretly like you or something tsundere style?

[Bambi Jay]

Actually I know a way to fuck over Ration if they're teamed with Llama. I just gotta prove the other 2 aren't his partners.

VOTE: Bambi

Team Bingle/Kerset and team Tbone/VFP, just confirm you guys are on at the same time to show you didn't quick hammer me and therefore aren't partners with Llama.

I'm off to work so I'll unvote myself tomorrow if we're still playing and my gamble pays off.

[Bambi Jay]

Make it easier then and let only one need to hammer me then. That'll be even better then having to confirm they're online together.

[Bambi Jay]

It's not theatre if it proves you can only be partners with Ration and Ana. Which is my point because I can't do it otherwise since my other plans to confirm town have been shot down.

Honestly the fact Ration didn't unvote so scum couldn't quick hammer is another point for them being evil.

[Bambi Jay]

Well actually, Bambi town with your lim just means RM and Ana have to be scum.
So it does tell something if town and if you're the lim.

In fact, town Bambi only has to get 1 confirmed town out of Kersel / Bingle and me / T-Bone to 100% win the game if you are the lim today.

Literally what I'm doing now if you guys don't hammer means you aren't scum with Llama or you guys would hammer me already. If you wanna argue ultimate bait or I'm scum with one of you two I still can't argue, but all I gotta do is prove the only viable team is Llama/Ana/Ration.

With Ana probably voting me when she gets back literally only one of you has to vote me to elim me. But if your all town (which I've been arguing now) I'll survive by tommorow, we get Llama up and then his partners day 3.

This game either ends with my death for town loss or their deaths for town victory. So no point being cautious at this point. We got like 3 days left so let's speed it along.

[Bambi Jay]

We are literally in endgame. If I die the game ends Llama. I mean sure that's your victory but let's both be frank I'm not doing this for any reason besides to give information to the town. You ain't doing crap.

My only mistake I made this game was following ya onto Smart instead of sticking with Ration and Ana when we had the chance.

[Bambi Jay]

The insane part here is that no one should ever be voting me here. They should be voting Ana/RM because its nearing the point where its physically impossible if Bambi is town for me to be scum without them *first* being scum. And they can be scum with either of us.

You say as you don't vote either of them and helped saved them yesterday.

If you were town you'd follow your own logic bro.

[Bambi Jay]

Which is your plan your doing now? I mean... Whatever works.

[Bambi Jay]

If bone comes in and instahammers then i will put all the blame on you bambi for not letting us solve. Neither me or bingle declared the definite scum yet.

We lose if you don't trust me over Llama anyway. I'm doing something called Trust. I'd lose anyway if Ration and Ana are town cuz Ration literally never unvotes me if he was town cuz he hates me.

I'm working with what I got
.

[Bambi Jay]

If bone comes in and instahammers then i will put all the blame on you bambi for not letting us solve. Neither me or bingle declared the definite scum yet.

We lose if you don't trust me over Llama anyway. I'm doing something called Trust. I'd lose anyway if Ration and Ana are town cuz Ration literally never unvotes me if he was town cuz he hates me.

I'm working with what I got
.

Hypnotically do you have any problem voting RM/Ana today?

no right?

Sacrificing them now wouldn't save you if we prove you can only be with them anyway. And considering how much you townread them you sure as heck aren't defending them.

If you were town you'd probably have said I'm still scum with one of the other lovers gambiting it instead of going the longshot of me being with Ration and Ana. You wouldn't throw your townread under the bus that easily because if your wrong on them town still loses.

If your gonna use logic against me keep consistent with it.

[Bambi Jay]

Ana, vote Bambi as soon as you see this please. Instantly.

Bambi would be hammered now if real Vanilla.

This is absolutely a scum-only gambit.

Your repeating yourself friend.

And my vote plus 3 scum is still only 4. So even if Ana votes I won't die unless an actual townie votes me.

You don't know me at all. This shit is what I do for fun and spice as town anyway. I claim neutral roles just to have a good time. Don't underestimate my ability to make stupid and wonderful plans to help win for town.

[Bambi Jay]

Please from your standpoint... explain how I am scum with anyone but Ana/RM unless your argument is going to be "Kerset/Bingle just havent been able to coordinate"... Both have been around in the last few hours.

I'm not arguing it?
But Kersel and Bingle haven't posted together yet.

I even said that this only makes you 25% chance as scum to Bambi's 75%.
Since you have 1 scum option and Bambi has 3.

Im just making a point. Given what Bambi tried to pull there is a 0% chance I am scum without Ana/RM first being scum. Anyone voting me today is basically scum due to it as they are instead going for 100% scum is going for "maybe scum" because of reasons (aka they might lose)

Bambi is trying to ignore that point right now. Its the miscalculation in their plan, unless they are actually trying to argue that Ana/RM as scum dying makes me look so town that they cant live through it.

@Bambi - If there is a 0% chance I am scum without RM/Ana... why not vote them instead?

Because from your "town" perspective they were your big townread and yet now your suggesting eliming them. If you really thought I was scum from an actual town mindset you wouldn't throw the game going for a team I'm possibly framing with you instead of just actually scum in me.

Your plan literally goes from a hundred percent me being evil from your 'town' perspective to chancing it on a 33% chance when town loses if we go there as well.

You aren't thinking like a townie.

I claim neutral roles just to have a good time.

link?

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=80340

I had alot of fun that game.

[Bambi Jay]

From my perspective again it's also 100 percent you being scum too? Unlike you I'm still voting 100 percent scum. And my method also elims them after and wins the game.

Your method trades town surviving garunteed with my scum death with the possibility I'm not connected to RM and Ana at all. Your the one going not for 100 percent as a townie if you ever go for a lover. Me proving your with those 2 doesn't mean I won't get you first. Your still literally confirmed evil. I'm just confirming the other 2.

[Bambi Jay]

I mean... I've been on site most of the day. If I were scum looking to qh I would have paid attention here.

So then it literally comes to Tbone and VFP. But your also seeing their (VFP) arguments joining me right?

So assuming they don't hammer me (which I doubt they will) I instantly proved to you that not only is Llama only with those 2, but also my general theory of trusting you all over Ration and Ana.

When they come back on and they don't hammer, you'll have 3 pairing to look into from your perspective:

Me/Ration/Ana (clearly they dislike me and Llama is pushing this as well)
Me/Tbone/VFP (you can reread this to be sure)
Llama/Ana/Ration (read all of today and Llama's reactions)

Read today again and see it for yourself. I'm sorry if I made it hard but I can only rely on you guys today man. I got the scumteam on me and all I can pray for is for us to pull it back.

Only like 3 days left. I'm doing all I can. I hope that's enough.

[Bambi Jay]

Are you literally ignoring your still 100 percent scum to me because you can't counter that point?

Your death solves the entire game man.

[Bambi Jay]

Welcome to the crapshow Tbone. What's your opinion on my self vote and my urge to prove what's going on?

[Bambi Jay]

It's 100% from my perspective but not theirs bro. For Bingle I could be with Tbone or vice Versa.

You as town Llama should still not think RM/Ana is 100 tho. Sure as scum this saves you and you can 1v1 me another day, but town you shouldn't be 100 certain I'm not scum with the other lovers. Why would town you be so certain on them?

[Bambi Jay]

I need to think about other pairs... going into today I was around (just spitballing)

50% TBone/VFP
40% Bingle/Kerset
10% Rm/Ana

Will probably lean heavily on others reads because of again what I see as a bad flaw in this setup.

@Bambi - Please explain how I can possibly be town with Ana/RM as town.

Well for one your scum. But hypothetically speaking I'll use VFP and Tbone as my team as an example.

The scum plan is simple: I go unreasonable and trigger Ration's short temper and get him to vote me already. I know you'll vote me, so I vote myself hoping Bingle and Kerset don't hammer me with Ana. Same plan but with the lovers reversed.

Town you doesn't know 100 percent they are scum. Scum you knows who your partners are and can sacrafice them if it means to survive and win against me later. Town you wouldn't instantly throw your townread under the bus without making a case of Bambi/Tbone or Bambi/Bingle. Your too confident it's those 2.

[Bambi Jay]

Oh now Ration comes along and suddenly tries to push it on the other lovers. Wonderful.

Edit: that was a hypothetical scum me. Town me just confirmed your evil with Llama. Llama has not proven why you are 100 percent evil with me.

Let the smart one fight it out for the scum team Ration.

[Bambi Jay]

I'm explaining why town you doesn't make this play so quickly. This is for later if we actually decide to indulge killingRM and ana first.

[Bambi Jay]

I'm explaining why town you doesn't make this play so quickly. This is for later if we actually decide to indulge killingRM and ana first.

Lets pretend you are town... three spots exist

1) RM/Ana are scum - You cant be hammered, you are alive
2) Kerset/Bingle are scum - You can be hammered, they havent done it
3) VFP/TBone are scum - You can be hammered, they havent done it

Why is this 2 or 3 again? When all four players have posted?

Odds are in your favor but effort is in mine. I made it possible with my play and bet the game on it being RM Ana and you. I'll keep going until we lose or win.

[Bambi Jay]

I already said I'll indulge you if the others agree first. It was my post before that one. I assumed you could read.

Also going off for a bit be back later.

[Bambi Jay]

If we don't do VT now then we need to do it tomorrow anyway. Game-wise it doesn't matter.

Yeah it doesn't matter if we know for sure RM and Ana has to be scum with Llama and COULD be scum with me if we still gotta finish the VTs anyway.

Flipping them as evil means Llama'll still argue tommorow it's me, which he's already doing.

Killing him confirms they're evil. Killing them confirms it's more likely him then me. I can't beat him with whatever logic he comes up with but basic game sense usually does imply we'd just push our debate back another few days.

In among us (sus) "skip on 7" is the logical thing to do with 2 impostors left. Yet that's also what the impostors will argue. So frankly if we follow logic it can fuck us over too.

I didn't bet on logic when I gambitted it not being Tbone or Bingle, I bet on my reads and emotions. Odds and logic don't give a crap when the evil party uses it to try and survive another day.

Since my vote on myself isn't needed anymore I'll put it back where it belongs.

VOTE: Llama

VFP said we could get RM and Ana first so if the other townies wanna extend the game and me arguing with Llama we can go there but otherwise I wanna end it quicker. If your cautious go with Ration and Ana even though Llama sure as hell didn't move his vote there if he believed it. He's still aiming for me point blank so he doesn't unvote.

We win on Llama guys. It's that simple.

[Bambi Jay]

Fuck Logic Get Scum.

Ana went AFK, Ration has been spewing nonsense since day 1 and poorly tried to get the other lovers, and Llama won't even follow his own words by voting them. He's delaying it so he can make a case of it being RM/Ana/Me after we kill them. Giving him a better chance to get me elimed isn't what we need here.

Edit: oh now it's all in. Wonderful.

[Bambi Jay]

Well considering your calling for their death instead of yours you have some high hopes it won't end the game anyway.

Ration is already still arguing it's me with another lover team so clearly his agenda and yours still want me to die first. a team of me and them makes shit less sense then me with the other 2. If they're scum your scum. It's that simple.

And to remind you: I'm stating my preference to end the game quicker by eliming you and confirming it's them, but should they wanna extend out the argument between you and me they're feel to elim Ration and Ana first. That's a town decision tho. I'm not listening to it when a confirmed scum is telling me how to vote.

[Bambi Jay]

You proved that two buttons does the same thing but it doesn't imply that we have to press the second one.

Theoretically, RM/Ana/Bambi could be a team. In that case, hammering Llama loses us the game while hammering RM/Ana does not. In all cases where hammering Llama doesn't lose us the game, hammering RM/Ana does not lose us the game. Therefore we should never lim Llama here.

Logic always can screw you over later but if we go for this I want you to look at the interactions between me and Ration and Ana, then Llama's reactions with them. I'm not the best at describing things but I have said why the make more sense together.

[Bambi Jay]

Well now I'm super happy I unvoted but Bingle we literally lose if I die now.

[Bambi Jay]

You clearly haven't voted them for how much you want others to do it man. I've said time and time again if the TOWN does it I'll do it.

[Bambi Jay]

Rectangles are indeed not squirrels.

[Bambi Jay]

I feel lied to it isn't a Llama.

[Bambi Jay]

This game is getting more intense atleast. That's fun.

We do got about 2 more days. Still weird how Llama just kinda went all in on saying we can elim a lover instead. Not that I disagree with getting those 2 now but it would still be best to just get the leader and cut off the head.

Anyway at work so responding periodically between lulls at work.

[Bambi Jay]

I still vehemently disagree with that so hopefully they show up in the next like 4 hours before I'm stuck at work.

[Bambi Jay]

Oh geez Kerset, why is it that dastardly evil doer Llama instead of the fair murderous maiden Bambietta?

[Bambi Jay]

So your in favor of taking out Ration and Ana Bingle because... Well ignoring from my perspective he's scum telling town what to do, so we can have another week to look over the evidence and having me and Llama arguing nonstop again?

I'm just confirming this is mostly the mindset your doing this with.

[Bambi Jay]

I ain't going from that perspective bro. An elim on you wins us the game nearly instantly since we'd know your partners so I can sign up for another game in peace. Arguing with it for a week after getting them won't be as fun because you'll get like 100 statements to try and turn them to your side, while I'm gonna basically be going "please believe me" and shit. I know your mostly smarter then me so fighting you in an argument won't help town win if I give you a week.

[Bambi Jay]

I can't believe me and Kerset are thinking alike when I thought they would've been one of the first to disagree with me. Life works in mysterious ways.

[Bambi Jay]

Ration says my play made no sense but I called out the entire scum team deciding to vote first. You out yourself in checkmate extending too early. That's also why you had Ana not vote me earlier. You just didn't expect me to risk a self vote to call you out.

[Bambi Jay]

Also, Llama I really do want you to ask why you aren't even trying to defend yourself anymore. Your just going "well if you think it's me just get those 2 then". Like. In what world does a townie sound like that by telling people "well you gotta elim them to PROVE it's me". Your not arguing your Innocence your arguing we can't prove your guilty.

That can work in the court of law but it doesn't work here.

[Bambi Jay]

I think I just favour Bingle / Kersel / Bambi.

And Bingle favors it being you two and me. But both you and his partners are looking into me and seeing something good.

If they were scum with me they wouldn't have to go against Llama's plan because that gives us an instant win. But we got people fighting it from BOTH of your teams. If one of you guys were my teammates we would be hard pushing to agree with this elim on them. But we aren't.

It's just Ana/RM/Llama and eliming Llama just ends it. If you want to extend the game go Ration but otherwise all I can ask is that you trust me.

[Bambi Jay]

I don't know the full quote but there's something here that feels like occam's razor.

Which team to you makes the most sense with the least effort?

[Bambi Jay]

Like. I have officially showed my game solve and have given evidence for my case why it's those 3.

Llama hasn't even locked in my supposed scum team and is just ready to sacrafice Ana and Ration to live another day.

One of us isn't being townie here.

[Bambi Jay]

As long as we make a decision in 24 hours so I don't die to the plurality rules. Scum getting me via timeout would suck.

[Bambi Jay]

Also, Llama I really do want you to ask why you aren't even trying to defend yourself anymore. Your just going "well if you think it's me just get those 2 then". Like. In what world does a townie sound like that by telling people "well you gotta elim them to PROVE it's me". Your not arguing your Innocence your arguing we can't prove your guilty.

That can work in the court of law but it doesn't work here.

In case y'all missed it the first time. Particularly with the post above as proof.

[Bambi Jay]

I mean my post isn't to convince you pal.

[Bambi Jay]

Again with Logic. Who needs something shitty like that? Emotion is better all the time. You'll actually get stuff done with it.

You can keep your logic, I got charisma and jokes and honesty.

[Bambi Jay]

We're in a point where Llama is continuously trying to tell town to vote out his scum partners without actually voting them himself. Llama is scum.

[Bambi Jay]

Well at the moment I seem to have Tbone and Kerset about to vote with me on you so I'm kinda just hoping one of their partners follow as well. That way atleast plurality works out.

If for some reason Kerset Bingle and VFP do vote there I'm instantly moving my vote there. Tommorow is my day off, so that's good timing to be here at the end countdown.

[Bambi Jay]

We get you the game ends quicker. We get Ana and Ration the game can drag for another week. Some of us prefer quicker games my dude. also pagetops

Edit: FML he was ready.

[Bambi Jay]

Well I'm town and boredom has caused me to lose games before. It's just this time I already solved the game first.

[Bambi Jay]

Because your ALREADY confirmed scum to me bro. We've been over this.

[Bambi Jay]

@llama
Unless you start to think further then for one day. *mind blow* Game-wise it doesn't matter, because tomorrow we need to vote the other option anyway. It is still 50/50 between two VT. You can bend logic all you want but in the end, you only delay the inevitable choice.

I know what do you hope for. You are trying to buy some time and hope that after RM/Ana, you will somehow convince *team llama scum* to get bambi. You think that you figured out 200IQ tactic, which wins you the game, because of the VT ruleset. There is no reason for town!llama to fight for this delay, because town!llama shouldn't be sure whenever RM/Ana is the scum team.

There are only 2days left and you are not trying to figure out the scum team at all. Scum!Bambi could be still teamed with everyone, why are you not afraid that i could be scum here? Maybe Tbone is? If you only convince us to vote RM/Ana there should be a major risk for you to lose. You are not afraid at all, because you know that the solve is RM/Ana.

And Kerset put it in way better words then I ever could. Why give scum a chance to turn it around?

Plus you STILL haven't given a team with me with only a day left. You ain't solving shit.

[Bambi Jay]

[Bambi Jay]

Indeed man.

Snip.

And Kerset put it in way better words then I ever could. Why give scum a chance to turn it around?

Plus you STILL haven't given a team with me with only a day left. You ain't solving shit.

I dont need to. I have a few more days to figure it out. Today I just can prove you are scum and then we move on from there as I really am not too sure who is scum, as I have a town and scum read in pretty much every pair.

Its pretty much just a scenario where I have broken it in a certain way. Scum *cant* admit to it though. I just need to make sure that things dont go sideways today, and then figure out how to make it work tomorrow.

"Figure it out tomorrow". He's basically admitting his plan this entire time was to extend the debate by offing Ration and Ana. Or just getting lucky and killing me to win.

Your logic can outsmart me. That's true Llama.

It can't outsmart a bullet to the head and an elimination.

[Bambi Jay]

Guess since there was no response and it's midnight here I get to go to bed.

Welcome to dreamland. Enjoy your stay me.

[Bambi Jay]

What did I wake up too. Geez.

I don't know how this works anymore tho.

@Mod:

since Llama surpassed me in votes for a bit but we're tied again, is he set to die in plurality or is it me since I was at 3 first? That seems like important information to have rn.

Nobody claimed to be going on VLA or anything so today we will use these 18 hours wisely I guess.

VFP literally tell me what Llama has done for your loyalty here. I'm not being confusing or keeping the situation confused. I'm being straight with ya. A Llama elim will instantly win us the game here. We have Kerset and Tbone agreeing with me and you just confirmed you ain't scum at all.

At this point to ya is it still possible for it to be Bingle and Kerset? Because it's obvious they're in the same situation as you for so long and isn't trying to influence you. It's nearly impossible to me to think they're evil.

So HOW does Ration/Ana not go with Llama more then Bambi, VFP? Ration has been townreading Llama since day one and also kept arguing against me and Vex then Smart. He's tried to strongarm the VT elims to me multiple times. He outted himself to vote me and he hasn't been reasonable at all.

Please just look into the chats and see the truth. If Plurality rules in Llama's favor I'm instantly switching with you guys to Ration and Ana but we basically instantly win with a Llama elim.

[Bambi Jay]

I don't know what else to say there. But I guess we just gotta make sure it's confirmed who's voting who before we have someone go to sleep since today is the last day for day 2.

Also I find it funny Both Bingle AND VFP has put me to E1 separately now. not so funny if I actually died from it but still funny.

[Bambi Jay]

Like... I've also called him out not voting there either for a guy harping so much about it and not even solving the Pairs in the slightest until either I'm dead or they're voted out.

There has to be a point where we call out blatant scum behavior right? Literally this isn't about logic. He's just being evil.

[Bambi Jay]

Keep dreaming bro. If that was the case Bingle had no need to unvote at all and vote you.

I usually say sorry to the people I catch but you I don't feel bad catching.

[Bambi Jay]

I await your long essay of why your right and everyone is inferior to your genius brain.

Have you even read the discussions at all recently by the way? Why not counter Llama's logic here? Your not even adding new points why I'm scum.

And if you believe that trio make a damn good case. If it comes to Bingle/Kerset/Bambi and Ration/Ana/Llama we sure as hell aren't gonna lose to you guys.

[Bambi Jay]

Because he fucking wants you dead what do you think I mean.

Point to a time where you disagrees or argued with Llama at all this game.

[Bambi Jay]

VFP, has Llama given any indication he's looking into the pairs at all? All he suggested is eliming those 2 instead of him. If he doesn't want them dead he sure as hell hasn't fought for anything else.

[Bambi Jay]

That didn't tell me who you would've taken out in that situation but appearantly it won't matter since we're solving this today.

[Bambi Jay]

Welcome home.

[Bambi Jay]

That's a downgrade if I've ever seen one.

[Bambi Jay]

Won't it be funny if the five town vote out Ration and Ana, yet Llama never voted there at all? Then they flip scum?

VOTE: Ration[/vote

If this let's us finally just argue between me and Llama without him hiding behind those 2 as a shield fine.

[Bambi Jay]

VOTE: Ration

Sigh.

[Bambi Jay]

Hard to tell, bc for me llama was just laying low during d1. Still point could be made that he never tried to solve lovers, neither d1 or d2.
Bambi was just scummy day 1 XD idk maybe she believes in the power of friendship

Friendship solves problems.

Also I just townread Tbone and thought it would be best to have an ultimate townread as well. You heard me before but the winning strategy of find the one townie and kill the rest was my original plan.

Honestly the fact we almost got Ration and Ana from me following before was funny. Honestly, I'll admit this, the main reason I wanted Kerset and Bingle gone first is because Bingle and Kerset probably could've convinced whoever was the other VT (being Smart appearantly) that I was the scumteam with those 2 instead of them being evil.

So yeah. My plan started to get rid of the less townie to me lover pair that was competent enough to get my town pair killed. Then it turned to try and policy Ration.

[Bambi Jay]

Are we actually going back now or is this just cuz you haven't noticed we currently switched to Ration to make VFP and Bingle feel better.

[Bambi Jay]

Also VFP. If Llama can only be scum with RM/Ana, then flipping Llama as scum ends the game, yes?

Whereas if you think RM/Ana can be scum with both of them, then we're just repeating this argument of Bambi vs Llama on Day 3.

This is also what me and Kerset have been saying.

Why is 2 people from separate lover pairs and a VT siding with each other if this isn't the entire dang town? There's no "that's the scum trio" like Ration Ana and Llama cuz Kerset and Tbone aren't connected at all.

I know your hesitating VFP but you know Tbone is town and there's plenty of evidence against team Ration now to believe Bingle and Kerset are town. If those 2 agree with me what Llama is doing is scummy... Isn't that enough?

[Bambi Jay]

Also VFP. If Llama can only be scum with RM/Ana, then flipping Llama as scum ends the game, yes?

Whereas if you think RM/Ana can be scum with both of them, then we're just repeating this argument of Bambi vs Llama on Day 3.

At this point tell me what you want me to say or do. I don't understand why it isn't obvious to you.

Llama is not scum, look at the depth of Llama's posts vs Bambi's, just observe it. Llama has had more logic all game, it's a fact.

Scum can use logic. I don't like logic as much. I do like winning and being bold and placing my faith in others. Mafia is a game of TRUST more then logic.

Llama hasn't been doing things in good faith and doesn't feel trustworthy. I have made poor plays on paper because I trusted my townreads and my scumread on you. Logic isn't winning you this game man.

[Bambi Jay]

You should be afraid that we eliminate

you

.

Yeah because if he was town his death would instantly lose us the game.

He ain't afraid of that tho.

[Bambi Jay]

I don't think it's worth me repeating why Llama is correct here.
There is no other way to explain it.

I think I just vote Bambi today but I'm going to give T-Bone the respect to change my mind here before doing anything.

VFP no. If you do that before we get Ration or Llama to 4 I die to plurality instead. Then we LOSE.

We've moved over to Ration and Ana. Voting me kills town. You'll have more time to argue with me and them day 3. Please.

[Bambi Jay]

Tbone will you please vote Ration then? If you trust us and we've basically figured it out, your vote now will save us in plurality.