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Post Post #5500 (isolation #1200) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:58 am

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In post 5496, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 5205, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 5203, Ramcius wrote:I don't mind no elim, if we going this direction

I'm not voting Pine, unless someone is going to come up clean and claim something to justify strongman

I was thinking about potential elims and how their flips would influence our future:

TSQ green flip means it's Pine and FL, Norwee is clear, it's easy win, and someone getting earful from me after game for not claiming BP or protective, I'm not buying strongman as a red herring to counter 1 shot of doc
TSQ flips red, we flip Norwee/FL, in either order, we can afford 1 miselim

Pine flips green, we have to gamble on Norwee/FL/TSQ, twice, we have no miselim left
Pine flips red, it's me and FL getting elim

FL flips green, it's Norwee/TSQ, easy win
FL flips red, TSQ/Pine I guess, we can afford miselim

Norwee flips green, TSQ/FL/Pine, again gamble twice, yes, I'm taking into consideration that someone is being smartass and hiding their real role
Norwee flips red, we flip TSQ

VOTE: TSQ

I find this as best elim we have for today, and TSQ can keep "I haven't done anything scummy" for himself, it's PoE, not scumminess contest
I make sense as norwees partner unless you think mafia literally comes into today thinking "lets hard defend each other completely and immediately lose the game if one of us ever flips"

But go off I guess about your no case no reasoning PoE with no reasons whatsoever to think I'm scum.
Does this sound like a partner post? He was clearly trying to associate himself with me.

he's literally making an anti partner case in this post...

Status positioned in a way where it makes me look like the scum partner specifically because he did that type of stuff
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Post Post #5501 (isolation #1201) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:59 am

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In post 5384, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I’m not going to talk much about Akarin since FL already crumbed heavily he will likely just kill them tonight.
this didn't happen, I guess
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Post Post #5502 (isolation #1202) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:01 pm

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In post 3087, Iconeum wrote:caught up to page 117 currently

my biggest take so far is that I am probably settling on town!FL here, and if he is scum i am probably not gonna be able to do jack shit about it
In post 3097, Iconeum wrote:i don't think scum!pine and scum!fl play the buddy buddy game that obviously
Nancy is probably town anyway. Scum!fl OR scum!pine can make sense, with a strong favorite towards the latter

and yet again, Norwegian is saying im rewriting history when it is actively here. He is actively trying to discredit me like he has been the entire game.

Also, these quotes by Ico in addition to the DEB pushing where Norwegian bus sheeped every time is likely why Ico was killed.
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Post Post #5504 (isolation #1203) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:03 pm

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In post 3157, PenguinPower wrote:
TheGoldenParadox(6) ~ Nancy Drew 39(286), Akarin(49), Ramcius(70), Iconeum(223), Mistyx(71),
NorwegianboyEE(318) -- HAMMER

Like, I've gotten all town wagons before, sure, but I was actively pushing Norwegian here. Status and DEB are both off the wagon here, and besides me, who was gonna hammer. Norwegian was under pressure, so they needed to end the day before people changed their mind here.
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Post Post #5505 (isolation #1204) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:05 pm

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In post 5503, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 5497, Flavor Leaf wrote:you've played solid,
I played like shit if i'm scum here. I'd have NK'd now both [Ramcius, Ico] which at some point believed that it was likely town!me or that that it was FL/Shea by the end.

The unique argument here is that it's WIFOM, it simply doesn't make sense for me to NK them for reasons other than WIFOM. But i think it's pretty obvious from my meta i rarely if ever do the WIFOM game.
why is ramcius a bad kill from your perspective ever? He was pushing you the entirety of the game, and by the end of the day yesterday, you were obv scum, and Ramcius has been the person all game not listening to you.
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Post Post #5506 (isolation #1205) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:06 pm

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Also, your wagon has only ever been able to get to 3 people, if I were scum, then there would have been able to have more momentum go onto your wagon. We had a blockage because we were all town pushing you correctly, which is why you went harder on Pine.
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Post Post #5508 (isolation #1206) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:08 pm

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In post 3074, Iconeum wrote:
In post 2783, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 625, PenguinPower wrote:
Votecount 1.10

zoraster(4)
~ (80), (110), (29), (96)

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@Nancy scum is 100% in this
now this is the good shit, because I would tend to agree with it

which means TGP can be scum
which means FL is town
which means I should probably listen to FL more :p
so this post came like 3 posts after the ones Norwegian posted from Ico, which is them literally flippin. Ico was actively going back and forth, and frankly, Ico was being obviously pocketed by Norwegian for a lot of it
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Post Post #5510 (isolation #1207) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:09 pm

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In post 5507, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Ramcius is the worst kill i could ever make if i'm scum and it's a blatantly scummy stance from you to say otherwise lmao.
I disagree. He was most likely going to push you and you know it.

You also actively set me up with the "Oh FL gonna kill Akarin" then you actively kill elsewhere.

You couldn't kill Nancy because she's the most likely to hear everything you have to say out
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Post Post #5512 (isolation #1208) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:10 pm

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In post 5509, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Ramcius was the unique person to believe in FL/TSQ rather than me/TSQ by yesterday end, and what a surprise, he dies. And now you say it was not a bad kill from us.
If people wanna lose to this scummy argument from FL then be my guest.

And yet, he acts like there's no reason he would ever say in game "FL gonna kill Akarin" then he kills Ramcius :roll:


@Nancy/Akarin - Please come end this
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Post Post #5515 (isolation #1209) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:13 pm

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DEB and I just never would have played this way if we were scum here.

@Nancy - You saw this in Pooky vs FL, DEB would follow anything I said, and this just isn't DEB/FL scum team here
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Post Post #5516 (isolation #1210) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:14 pm

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In post 5514, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 5511, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 5510, Flavor Leaf wrote:I disagree. He was most likely going to push you and you know it.
Bullshit.
Oh just wanna say,

this was before the final push of the day, and before I started town reading him again.

I was pushing him, so he was OMGUS'ing me, and it really just helped me town read him
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Post Post #5517 (isolation #1211) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:17 pm

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he's just flailing throwing out everything he can hoping something hooks one of you guys
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Post Post #5518 (isolation #1212) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:17 pm

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just let him keep talking, he'll out himself
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Post Post #5519 (isolation #1213) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:24 pm

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In post 5513, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Without it you are nothing and your arguments are laughable.
that's what happens when you got the gift of gab, baby, you're just mad cuz i post them in a way where you probably think im right for the wrong reasons, but i see it as a collective whole, and i feel the energy.

You're trying to discredit my playstyle here now, and you've been discrediting and chopping me down since the beginning of the game. You like hyperfocused yourself as scum against me for some reason, and forced a big 1v1 on me. You've been playing in a way where you've just been delaying the inevitable.

Props to Akarin for vigging DEB, that really ended up hurting you guys. DEB was actively staying away from town reading me in this game, he said it like once, but he was actively town reading others. Nancy knows I work with my scum team, and I would have had a more direct in game connection with DEB if the 2 of us were scum together here.

He actively town read people I was pushing as well.

For me to be scum here, I'd have had to actively not work with my teammates all game, something I am super against because I think scum teams should always work together.
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Post Post #5520 (isolation #1214) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:27 pm

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also, status said early on he was just going to ignore all my posts, which is another discredit against me.

I've been sitting here in my own little corner the entire game, and Norwegian has actively been running this game for every single day phase EXCEPT for Day 4.
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Post Post #5521 (isolation #1215) » Wed Mar 03, 2021 12:34 pm

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@Akarin - I actively knew you were some type of PR, and that Status' push on you was scummy, I still believe Status pushed Akarin to distract people away from Norwegian, and I have defended you for multiple sections during this game.
He's been discrediting me all game.
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Post Post #5547 (isolation #1216) » Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:07 am

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Lol, this has not been me sweet talking Nancy, Nancy has seen me use sweet talk before
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Post Post #5548 (isolation #1217) » Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:10 am

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Also that’s a misrep.

Ramcius was more contemplating if I would kill Nancy or Akarin, and then included himself at the end for completionist’s sake.
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Post Post #5550 (isolation #1218) » Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:56 am

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he really shouldn't have put himself in a 1v1 with me that early, he pigeonholed himself, especially because i feel like it made status not want to get involved with it at all
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Post Post #5558 (isolation #1219) » Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:05 am

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Nancy just gonna die and Norwegian tries their luck with a replacement
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Post Post #5561 (isolation #1220) » Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:19 am

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Just like Akarin was gonna get killed last night :roll:
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Post Post #5563 (isolation #1221) » Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:13 am

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It’s literally just Norwegian
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Post Post #5564 (isolation #1222) » Fri Mar 05, 2021 9:14 am

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I was making fun of the fact Norwegian said Akarin was gonna be killed yesterday
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Post Post #5566 (isolation #1223) » Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:00 pm

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hopefully akarin just comes back
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Post Post #5587 (isolation #1224) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:07 pm

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well, gg.

I'm town
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Post Post #5588 (isolation #1225) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:08 pm

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im done with mafia after this game, though, im not enjoying it anymore
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Post Post #5589 (isolation #1226) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:08 pm

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intent to self hammer
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Post Post #5591 (isolation #1227) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:09 pm

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im leaving site, this is it for me. solved the game day 2 essentially, it's just happening a lot lately, my reads just much better and people cant comprehend it
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Post Post #5593 (isolation #1228) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:10 pm

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i defended status multiple times. i also pushed status multiple times.

it just is what it is Nancy. It's fine.
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Post Post #5595 (isolation #1229) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:11 pm

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In post 5592, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 5589, Flavor Leaf wrote:intent to self hammer
Why would town!you self-hammer?

you flipped. the game's over.

I have no energy or will to play mafia anymore

you were my last chance for not being misfaded.

Akarin's not in a position to defend me even if she would think im town.

Ramcius kill is just really bad coming from me here because it would make it look like im just getting rid of a possible threat
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Post Post #5597 (isolation #1230) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:12 pm

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like, im obviously biased because i know im town, but ramcius kill just happened so Norwegian would flip you
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Post Post #5598 (isolation #1231) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:12 pm

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In post 5596, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:But why does scum!Norwee kill Ram when he was going to push you > confitown!Akarin?

why do i kill ramcius when this is a thing
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Post Post #5599 (isolation #1232) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:13 pm

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you dont think i wouldnt know the ramifications as scum here?
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Post Post #5600 (isolation #1233) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:13 pm

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who's your 4th teammate, Nancy? Pooky and Mathblade tunnel me in every single game ive played with them
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Post Post #5602 (isolation #1234) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:14 pm

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In post 5601, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 5597, Flavor Leaf wrote:like, im obviously biased because i know im town, but ramcius kill just happened so Norwegian would flip you
Why would I be flipped?
you took it too literal.

flip your read
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Post Post #5604 (isolation #1235) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:16 pm

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damn, you literally have a team of people who tunnel me every game ive played with them.

Oka has town read me on occasion correctly, but Pooky's actively never had to town read me, and Mathblade is someone who doesn't understand a lot of the things I say
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Post Post #5605 (isolation #1236) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:17 pm

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eh, just vote me.

give norwegian the win, he put way more effort into this game than i did
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Post Post #5607 (isolation #1237) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:18 pm

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i dont think my team can win anyways, and i put a very low amount of effort into this year's team mafia in general.

And I'm gonna go away, if only temporarily, who knows, im just kinda over it.

I was also toxic earlier a lot, so it's just a better narrative if norwegian wins
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Post Post #5608 (isolation #1238) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:19 pm

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In post 5606, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 5602, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 5601, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 5597, Flavor Leaf wrote:like, im obviously biased because i know im town, but ramcius kill just happened so Norwegian would flip you
Why would I be flipped?
you took it too literal.

flip your read
Oh. Yeah I think TM is over rated. I still don’t see why you ask me to hammer and have Shea self-hammer 20 minutes later.

post game, you'll see it was Norwegian-Status doing a thing.

Pretty sure I was just right the whole time this game.

I'm fine with going out being right when everyone else thinks I wasn't
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Post Post #5609 (isolation #1239) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:20 pm

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majority of this site is just far more naive than I am, im ready to step away
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Post Post #5611 (isolation #1240) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:27 pm

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I haven't pushed a single misfade through this game.

I was the hammer on Zoraster, but DEB would have came in and hammered.

I was against TGP being faded, and was against Norwegian's town read on them, which they ended up hammering them anyways.

I was against Pine until Pine and Ramcius flipped on me, then Norwegian also started calling me town, and got me to end on Pine.

I'm the stronger scum player, though, so it's just "safer" from a town pov to vote me instead of Norwegian.

I personally don't even think this was a strong game by the scum team, all they did was have Norwegian argue and shade me all, but I guess it kinda works? I just think run it back 10 times, the majority of times it wouldn't, maybe with the playerlist it worked, idk. I just think give us 1 more person who understands the way I think would have been fine.

My worst moment this game was jumping on one of my strongest town reads, but I still don't regret it. Pine and Ramcius looked like a legitimate team at the time, in which case a Status town flip would have been end game. Norwegian took advantage there.

I could have found a way to go to Pine much earlier than I did and I wouldn't have defended Status at all, yet still could have went Pine if I were scum. I don't leave trails like that
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Post Post #5612 (isolation #1241) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:29 pm

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In post 5610, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 5607, Flavor Leaf wrote:i dont think my team can win anyways, and i put a very low amount of effort into this year's team mafia in general.

And I'm gonna go away, if only temporarily, who knows, im just kinda over it.

I was also toxic earlier a lot, so it's just a better narrative if norwegian wins
I obviously don’t want to elim you if you’re town. I am really sick to death of this game.

I get it, but your entire team are tunnelers who scum read me and don't think about logic either, so like I can't really blame you voting me

Just blame them post game
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Post Post #5613 (isolation #1242) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:32 pm

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Spoiler:
In post 9, Thestatusquo wrote:This might be a scum claim but in honor of UTs well known mafia strategy I will be voting all the anime avatars in this game. I will not be taking any questions at this time.

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

Die suck die die scum die die suck die die scum die suck die.
In post 14, zoraster wrote:
In post 9, Thestatusquo wrote:This might be a scum claim but in honor of UTs well known mafia strategy I will be voting all the anime avatars in this game. I will not be taking any questions at this time.

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

Die suck die die scum die die suck die die scum die suck die.
I've decided I'm just going to sheep Shea this entire game.

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE
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In post 14, zoraster wrote:
In post 9, Thestatusquo wrote:This might be a scum claim but in honor of UTs well known mafia strategy I will be voting all the anime avatars in this game. I will not be taking any questions at this time.

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

Die suck die die scum die die suck die die scum die suck die.
I've decided I'm just going to sheep Shea this entire game.

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE
uh, why
In post 19, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
In post 11, Flavor Leaf wrote:This is a genuinely likable playerlist; I know all of you pretty well, with the exception of zoraster.
^^ this, I know and love the majority of players here.
VOTE: zor announcing you'll sheep Shea unconditionally is a really easy way to place an RVS vote without substance behind it.
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In post 16, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 14, zoraster wrote:
In post 9, Thestatusquo wrote:This might be a scum claim but in honor of UTs well known mafia strategy I will be voting all the anime avatars in this game. I will not be taking any questions at this time.

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

Die suck die die scum die die suck die die scum die suck die.
I've decided I'm just going to sheep Shea this entire game.

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE
uh, why
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Whenever someone does something like this I like to follow up with this and see where it goes.

VOTE: Zoraster

So are you going to self vote or nah?


This was our Page 1. Look at Status' first post voting Norwegian, then when Zoraster sheeps him, and TGP votes Zor, Status moves momentum away from Norwegian.

it's a classic vote your buddy RVS.
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Post Post #5615 (isolation #1243) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:35 pm

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In post 5614, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:I still don’t understand why Norwee kills Ram when he could use him to help push you? Like why not just kill Akarin?

He was setting that up yesterday when he said "Flavor already crumbed he was gonna shoot Akarin". He probably wanted to pull then "he killed elsewhere" card.

I guarantee you, I would have won the Ramcius vote. Ramcius and I were voting Norwegian all game, and he just started to switch on me near the end, but it's just way too obvious a kill. Why wouldn't I just kill Akarin, and then get the town cred for killing someone who just said she town read me?
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Post Post #5616 (isolation #1244) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:36 pm

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I mean like, yeah, Ramcius death on the surface level goes straight to me. the kill did exactly what Norwegian wanted it to do
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Post Post #5617 (isolation #1245) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:37 pm

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Norwegian was unable to win this game without Nancy changing her vote to me.

Nancy-Ramcius in the final 4 would not have done that ever this game.

He couldn't kill Nancy because there wasn't ever a chance that I as scum would have killed you.
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Post Post #5619 (isolation #1246) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:38 pm

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In post 5618, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Yeah I’ve see scum do that sometimes but in many games they don’t so the RvS buddy thing really isn’t a reliable tell.

It just seems counterintuitive for Norwee to kill Ram, when Ram was 100% going to vote you. The Shea self hammer gives me pause though but why did you hammer Pine before he could present his Jingle case?
it's not a tell, i just know it's a fact.

it's a thing you can see in hindsight, not during the game
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Post Post #5620 (isolation #1247) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:39 pm

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In post 5618, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Yeah I’ve see scum do that sometimes but in many games they don’t so the RvS buddy thing really isn’t a reliable tell.

It just seems counterintuitive for Norwee to kill Ram, when Ram was 100% going to vote you. The Shea self hammer gives me pause though but why did you hammer Pine before he could present his Jingle case?

the case was on Status and Myself.

The only thing that it would have done was make it more likely I get misfaded
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Post Post #5621 (isolation #1248) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:39 pm

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He also specifically stated they worked on it the night before, posted for like 30 minutes, then actively not post it.

I waited like 3-4 hours before I hammered
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Post Post #5624 (isolation #1249) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:43 pm

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And from the POV I was in, I needed Pine or Norwegian dead, the inverse of Ramcius.

I realized Ramcius and I were seeing the game from effectively the same position, but me being locked with Norwegian, and Ramcius being locked with Status.


Ramcius became conf town when Status flipped Red.

Probably when Pine flipped green, so Ramcius/Akarin were both conf town, don't think Akarin was higher than Ramcius there, they were the same, except Ramcius took more time to go over the options, and was effectively more dangerous and harder to convice than Akarin.

Ramcius would have let me speak and did analysis with me, even if he thought I was scum, and I guarantee you, we would have talked it through in a way where you would have seen without a doubt as well that Norwegian was scum
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Post Post #5625 (isolation #1250) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:43 pm

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In post 5622, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 5617, Flavor Leaf wrote:Norwegian was unable to win this game without Nancy changing her vote to me.

Nancy-Ramcius in the final 4 would not have done that ever this game.

He couldn't kill Nancy because there wasn't ever a chance that I as scum would have killed you.
Ram decided it was you/Shea, so why does Norwee put himself through that just to frame you?

And why did you never want to kill Shea?

He didn't decide on me, he was pushing it and temporarily considering it.

I do not believe Ramcius would have pushed me today without discussing it with me.
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Post Post #5626 (isolation #1251) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:44 pm

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In post 5623, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 5620, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 5618, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Yeah I’ve see scum do that sometimes but in many games they don’t so the RvS buddy thing really isn’t a reliable tell.

It just seems counterintuitive for Norwee to kill Ram, when Ram was 100% going to vote you. The Shea self hammer gives me pause though but why did you hammer Pine before he could present his Jingle case?

the case was on Status and Myself.

The only thing that it would have done was make it more likely I get misfaded
Pine jk on you would guilty Norwee and clear you with a no kill.

Why would Pine JK me? I was doccing Akarin.

Also, why did I protect Akarin, who I called out as a PR, mind you, to push claimed Vanilla Norwegian.
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Post Post #5629 (isolation #1252) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:47 pm

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in thread protected, because I was defending Akarin on Day 2.

Had I pushed Akarin, and if I was scum, that would have actively prevented DEB from being shot.

For me to have been scum this game, you have to believe I played this game essentially by myself because Status/DEB line does absolutely nothing in conjunction with me, but it assists Norwegian's pushes completely.

DEB and I would have played some type of gambit.

I don't know.

I just think these are actively things that show that I am town, but I'm unsure how else to get you to believe it.

At this point, it's not really important for me to explain why people did what, I just know for a fact he did for some reason at this point.
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Post Post #5631 (isolation #1253) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:48 pm

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it's whatever

let's just end this game


i don't know what to tell ya, Nancy.

I do things people don't like when I'm town. It is what it is
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Post Post #5632 (isolation #1254) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:48 pm

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that's why Ramcius died, Nancy. =/
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Post Post #5633 (isolation #1255) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:49 pm

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I do not regret hammering Pine.
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Post Post #5634 (isolation #1256) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:49 pm

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i learned i was right this entire game on Norwegian with it, which lead me to town reading Ramcius 100%
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Post Post #5636 (isolation #1257) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:51 pm

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I don't know, Nancy, those few things you pushed right there just wouldn't have been a thing if I were scum here.

ive done all i could this game to get people to follow me, and I absolutely could not gain momentum this game

that doesn't happen when i am scum
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Post Post #5637 (isolation #1258) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:52 pm

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In post 5635, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Only ones who were gunning for Akarin D2 were Shea/TGP.
exactly.

And I called Status out for poorly pushing Akarin, who was likely a PR.
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Post Post #5638 (isolation #1259) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:53 pm

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In post 320, Flavor Leaf wrote:TGP, DEB, Status is an interesting way too early solve.
=/ close
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Post Post #5640 (isolation #1260) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:54 pm

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In post 337, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
In post 143, NorwegianboyEE wrote:VOTE: Zoraster
Ramcius wagon isn't bad either, but why be a sheep when you can vote 2nd scum.
I'm inclined to believe that Norwee is town in general because of parallels between his posting here and in the first day of mbos 10 and dung beetle, but this post throws me a bit because it feels contrived. which is not necessarily a ridiculously scum ai thing to do in rvs but is definitely eyebrow raising in general.
this lead to Norwegian trying to pocket him Day 2
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Post Post #5642 (isolation #1261) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:57 pm

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TheGoldenParadox(6) ~ Nancy Drew 39(286), Akarin(49), Ramcius(70), Iconeum(223), Mistyx(71),
NorwegianboyEE(318) -- HAMMER
NorwegianboyEE(2) ~
Flavor Leaf(420), Pine(56)

Flavor Leaf(1) ~ TheGoldenParadox(17)

Akarin
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thestatusquo
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Not Voting (1):
Dr Easy Bake
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Post Post #5643 (isolation #1262) » Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:58 pm

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In post 5641, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:But please keep quoting stuff, that helps me a lot.
im doing it for akarin too.

i dont know if it means anything, but ill try and put a little effort in, i guess
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Post Post #5655 (isolation #1263) » Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:48 am

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Dkkoba hasn’t been there since the beginning of the game, and Dkkoba saw me as town
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Post Post #5663 (isolation #1264) » Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:49 am

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Good game.

VOTE: Flavor

Not much I can do when I’m a scum team of 1
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Post Post #5664 (isolation #1265) » Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:50 am

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I was not kidding when I gave up early.

Surprised got this far. Scum team of literal 1 this game
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Post Post #5666 (isolation #1266) » Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:51 am

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Also, Nancy you were super wrong the majority of this game with your logic, as was Norwegian.

This game was kinda done if I had a team.
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Post Post #5667 (isolation #1267) » Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:51 am

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I would have done everything essentially exactly the same if I were town.

My team just did absolutely nothing
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Post Post #5668 (isolation #1268) » Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:52 am

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And that is another reason I am done here.

Not only are my town games I have better reads and get annoyed constantly through bad logic, my scum games my teams don’t know how to push objectives or control gamestate, so i literally had to do everything.
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Post Post #5669 (isolation #1269) » Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:52 am

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If I was a scum team of all me, like I just wouldn’t lose on this site.
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Post Post #5726 (isolation #1270) » Thu May 13, 2021 12:19 pm

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In post 5716, Cheetory6 wrote:if the only way you can win as mafia is by making the thread as terrible as possible then perhaps you are playing against the spirit of one might call a game that one plays to have fun.
Nice hypothetical, I agree, though. If it was a shade on me, bad shade, because I've actively won with multiple different strategies, including charming my way to victory.

Y'all know I'm attracted to the fire.
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Post Post #5727 (isolation #1271) » Thu May 13, 2021 12:31 pm

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Y'all play like how Cheetory made those posts, you put the oil out there, then expect me, a hot flame, not to just casually walk over it and burn everything in existence. You blaming the fire, not the guy who put the oil down.

Is what it is, but I was never the first one to be toxic in any exchange in this entire game bar maybe StatusQuo, but forgive me for wanting scum partners in Team Mafia to actually do anything. Besides part of that first day, and maybe some in the last, I was a Team of 1.

Also, if players like Reckoner think that my vote at the end was a concede, lol, get better at the game, dude. It was over. Maybe I shouldn't try to compare people to the level of my foresight, I guess.
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Post Post #5730 (isolation #1273) » Thu May 13, 2021 1:07 pm

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I passed that level of understanding years back. It was mechanically over due to the sociological atmosphere.

I do not play a mechanical game, and I have proven over the years why the Sociological game is just as, if not more, important than the mechanical side of things.

The game was decided when Nancy locked in her vote, that was the fight. The fight for the Nancy vote.

In theory, with a blank slate of characters, yes, there was the mechanical opportunity still there, but this wasn't a blank game, so that doesn't apply here, which is something most players drastically underestimate the value of.

I've played a lot more Mafia than the majority of players, both in person, and on forum with an intense focal point on the sociological side of the game, and you can see my success record since I joined site in 2014.

I actively trained myself to play in different types of playstyles, every single one of my alts were created to play differently as well, and that showed heavily (besides my last like 6 months on site, of course), and frankly, after 7 years of playing Mafia intensely, I was burnt out.

Do I actively think I'm squeaky clean from this game on a toxicity level? Of course not, anyone who knows me knows I don't actually think that, but at the end of the day, I was a complete reactionary player this game, and I stand by that.

If people get toxic at me, I'm going to get toxic back. I'm actually rather strong at refraining from toxicity a lot of times too, which people don't want to point out.

If I say something, yes, I want to put a thorn in people's sides who are being toxic/rude. Were my posts here indicative of that? Absolutely. I will stick up for myself, and give my side of things in relative clear thought processes.

I very much doubt you would ever be able to find a scenario where only I was toxic in a non reactionary way. I live for the duel, so people coming at me, I'll take em down.

The last 6 months I played on the site, I admittedly wasn't as strong at refraining myself, I was burnt out, not an excuse, but an explanation, as you can see my last run was far weaker in terms of play than the entirety of my 7 years on site, but it's because I wasn't having fun anymore.

Like people wanna say "thinks he's so good", no. I don't think I am at this point, I know I am, and it's because of the effort I put into to forcing myself to learn how to play the game and improve on a high level, in game design, in town play, in scum play, face to face, and on forum, and frankly, they all continuously poked the dragon when the dragon hadn't eaten or slept in months. The dragon should have known better, but dragons fuck up. I got that power, so yes, it is on me not abuse it.
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Post Post #5732 (isolation #1274) » Thu May 13, 2021 1:09 pm

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believe it, man
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Post Post #5734 (isolation #1275) » Thu May 13, 2021 1:19 pm

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I'm like one of the biggest mafia try hards in the history of this site, so if people think I wasn't trying to win, I generally worry about them. :lol:
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Post Post #5736 (isolation #1276) » Thu May 13, 2021 1:23 pm

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I understand, I didn't handle that well either, is part of what I was saying, so it was on me to realize that, and make the change I needed to.
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Post Post #5739 (isolation #1277) » Thu May 13, 2021 1:45 pm

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That’s completely just untrue, though. The game was over even if I hadn’t self hammered.

It isn’t a trust tell because if I was scum and didn’t self hammer still, nobody would ever go “FL didn’t hammer himself, he’s town.”, that’s just not something you say to someone who has won more scum games on site than probably anyone.

And Akarin was effectively not playing the game (not a shade, she stated how she was feeling, understandable 100%) so there wasn’t going to be that fight there.


It’s just the people making the decisions are less experienced than I am, and instead of actively conversing with me, everything happened behind closed doors and they had to come up with some type of reason.

Had someone came to me and talked to me about it, and even asked if I’d sit out the next one (Which I had already planned on doing, mind you, because I am ahead of the game on that type of stuff too), then it would have been handled much smoother. Instead, they had to figure out some bs reasons.

I saw Reckoner got mad about it, so guess he was the big one who said something and isn’t able to comprehend the sociological side of the game.
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Post Post #5740 (isolation #1278) » Thu May 13, 2021 1:49 pm

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In post 5737, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Hi FL

Long time no see! <3

In post 1090, Flavor Leaf wrote:these wagons are going to be beautiful for late game

I told Nancy you made this post because you had manipulated the game state masterfully to the point where no scum was being voted.

Is that what you were talking about? :3

I think you played exceptionally well this game and hope you had fun despite it not ending in a victory.
I’m definitely happy with my performance for the most part, i let my emotions in a bit much for my liking, and think it was a good game still.

That was definitely a manipulative post, but the reason it works is because I 100% would say that as town, and was setting the game up specifically so it would look like town me said it. VCA, Wagonomics, and Vote Manipulation is definitely a strength of mine, I feel
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Post Post #5743 (isolation #1279) » Thu May 13, 2021 1:54 pm

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I personally believe it was under 1% chance, and the only chance that would actually matter is if Akarin came in and hard defended me, which also wasn’t going to happen.

So it effectively became a 3 player finals in which the 2 votes came to me, and they got me.

They literally got me there. They reeled me in, they just needed Akarin to take me off the hook.
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Post Post #5744 (isolation #1280) » Thu May 13, 2021 2:03 pm

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In post 5740, Flavor Leaf wrote:so it would look like town me said it. VCA, Wagonomics, and Vote Manipulation is definitely a strength of mine, I feel

so you definitely caught onto that, which effectively makes that post an Anchor point when reading me, and had someone looked into that more and reverse engineered it, they could have been onto something. I set up pretty good defenses actively to make sure that kind of thing I can't get pushed for easily, though.
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Post Post #5747 (isolation #1281) » Thu May 13, 2021 2:09 pm

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Akarin had basically site flaked.

The fight we had was the end game fight.

Naruto was supposed to fight the winner of Sasuke and Gaara in the second round of the Chunin Exams, but because of the attack on the Leaf Village, it wasn't publicized, but Gaara did eventually beat Sasuke, and thus Naruto did end up beating Gaara. The Chunin Exam technically didn't finish, but Naruto still won.


Shino beat Kankuro in their match that didn't happen, Temari lost to Sasuke before Gaara stepped in.

Weird ass analogy, but it works if people have seen it. :lol:

Same idea. I was Gaara here.
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Post Post #5748 (isolation #1282) » Thu May 13, 2021 2:20 pm

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I understand why some people think I had a chance, but it's like playing Go or Chess. The longer it takes for someone to realize that the game is over, the newer the player, and thus it's polite to resign when the game is seen to be over.

As Pooky said, and shown by the end of it, I was burnt out from Mafia, the last 3 months I was playing was for the first time just not fun anymore, and exhausted, so it was essentially, I'm completely out of energy, I put so much effort into this game, and I got KO'd.

My health bar got depleted. Like, they won. They beat me. The game was over.
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Post Post #5751 (isolation #1283) » Thu May 13, 2021 3:38 pm

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Like there just wasn't. I understand why people think there might have been, but like, come on :roll:


I'm like the guy that always goes "I can win against all odds". Like it was done. People saying there was a chance, no, there wasn't. The fight was Nancy and Norwegian vs Flavor. They got me. They literally got me :lol:
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Post Post #5753 (isolation #1284) » Thu May 13, 2021 3:41 pm

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And I don't replace out of games I sign up for unless I feel I'm getting too toxic, another telling of where I believe my level of toxicity was this game
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Post Post #5766 (isolation #1285) » Fri May 14, 2021 12:24 pm

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In post 5762, Jingle wrote:
In post 5684, Jingle wrote:Also, I typed an entire case, had the forum eat it, and then retyped it and you people hammered Pine before he could post it. You monsters.
@FL.
Oh, I was not about to let a Jingle case on me go through. :lol:
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Post Post #5770 (isolation #1286) » Fri May 14, 2021 7:02 pm

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I am willing to accept a medal.
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