Open 811 - Lovers and Losers (New Game+) [Game Over]


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Post Post #9 (isolation #0) » Thu May 13, 2021 3:51 am

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Spoiler: For Kerset



I'm happy I don't have to be scum this time but the hole Kerset has left in my heart may never heal and I want to know if he's happy with his new love.
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Post Post #11 (isolation #1) » Thu May 13, 2021 3:52 am

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Also I'm fairly sure RM is going to get us killed so I'm just going to cry in the corner for most of this game.
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Post Post #20 (isolation #2) » Thu May 13, 2021 4:02 am

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In post 15, Vex Vience wrote:also ana/bambi what are both of you?
I am lover to RM so I'm kind of resigned to my fate of dying an early tragic death.

I just want to flirt with Kerset a bit more before I die.
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Post Post #21 (isolation #3) » Thu May 13, 2021 4:03 am

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This game is a tragic tale of lost love now :(
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Post Post #23 (isolation #4) » Thu May 13, 2021 4:08 am

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What if Kerset is still mafia?

that would be tragic.

I just want to know he's on the same side as me.

I miss him :(
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Post Post #25 (isolation #5) » Thu May 13, 2021 4:13 am

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I don't think words can express my jealousy and heartbreak
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Post Post #27 (isolation #6) » Thu May 13, 2021 4:16 am

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When you told me your scum win rate was 15% my heart melted a little bit and I told myself I was going to try very hard to get your win rate up by a little bit <3

I miss you so much.
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Post Post #28 (isolation #7) » Thu May 13, 2021 4:16 am

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Can you towntell for me so I can be your lover once more?
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Post Post #34 (isolation #8) » Thu May 13, 2021 4:26 am

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Kerset is my true lover no matter what the mod says

soul of my soul.
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Post Post #43 (isolation #9) » Thu May 13, 2021 5:20 am

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In post 39, Vex Vience wrote:also once again, lovers please surmize your entire pt for us
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I mostly just cried and posted sad songs and RM did not comfort me in any way at all.
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Post Post #70 (isolation #10) » Thu May 13, 2021 7:24 am

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In post 63, RationalMadman wrote:Kerset isn't acting Towny at all and similar to lqst game is being reaction-provoking such as with Tbone in particular (last game). I scumread the Ker/Bingle pair.
I will commit suicide if you say bad things about Kerset
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Post Post #82 (isolation #11) » Thu May 13, 2021 8:05 am

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I want to switch lovers
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Post Post #94 (isolation #12) » Thu May 13, 2021 8:36 am

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In post 85, Kerset wrote:
In post 83, RationalMadman wrote:So, actually she only agreed that Llama is scary
its true, he ordered us to show him how we flirt during pregame :S
He tried to view our texts

it was traumatizing
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Post Post #95 (isolation #13) » Thu May 13, 2021 8:37 am

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I kind of want to solve in the VTs first because if Kerset is mafia I will be heart broken but if I don't know then I don't know.
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Post Post #99 (isolation #14) » Thu May 13, 2021 8:59 am

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From my point of view it just looked like RM was trying to get himself off'd as quickly as possible and I have no reason to believe he wouldn't do the same thing this go-around as well.
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Post Post #210 (isolation #15) » Thu May 13, 2021 11:48 am

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In post 198, Bingle wrote:
In post 196, Vex Vience wrote:do you think i would bus a partner in this setup?
Yes. There's a decent chance it would have won Llama the game last game, despite the necessity of the reroll.
I think I would've kept Kerset safe come what may.
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Post Post #217 (isolation #16) » Thu May 13, 2021 2:10 pm

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In post 214, T-Bone wrote:Nah fam I had the three of you absolutely NAILED.
I would escape with my lover to protect him.
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Post Post #218 (isolation #17) » Thu May 13, 2021 2:10 pm

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In post 216, T-Bone wrote:Kerset, honest answer time please. Why did you think you could push my miselim out of the whole playerlist last game?
I would've killed everyone in the player list last game to keep kerset alive, including LlamaDude
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Post Post #220 (isolation #18) » Thu May 13, 2021 2:13 pm

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In post 212, Bingle wrote:@Ana, what do you make of the VV/me back and forth?
I read players by motivation, tone, and substance.

I don't understand your motivation to argue with him on this point.

Something I see often is scum trying to argue to be
right
instead of argue about alignment.

Because they don't have to fake being right, it's something they really believe inside.

So I tend to scum-read people who argue about things that are pointless.

The way you did it with VV, I'm not sure what either of you are trying to accomplish if you're town in that argument.

So it's possible that this is some kind of scum-theatre where you argue with him about something meaningless but with enough intensity that later we think you can't be aligned when one of you and him flips.

I'll see at the end if this intuition is right or not.

I will avoid thinking you could be scum for now because it would be painful for me to think my Kerset could be scum.
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Post Post #221 (isolation #19) » Thu May 13, 2021 2:14 pm

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I'm sorry VV, I messed up your pronoun. I will try my best to be accurate in the future.
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Post Post #237 (isolation #20) » Thu May 13, 2021 4:26 pm

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I would like to solve the VTs first because if Kerset is scum I will be heartbroken.
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Post Post #240 (isolation #21) » Thu May 13, 2021 4:30 pm

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Do you really think Kerset is scum?
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Post Post #457 (isolation #22) » Sat May 15, 2021 10:31 pm

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Apologies for my absence. I haven't been feeling quite like myself this weekend and I'll try to make some time for this tonight.
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Post Post #460 (isolation #23) » Sun May 16, 2021 2:58 am

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In post 458, Kerset wrote:I missed you ana
I missed you more.

It feels like the world has conspired against us :(

Tell me you are aligned with the town and I'll be yours, heart and soul.
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Post Post #502 (isolation #24) » Sun May 16, 2021 4:15 pm

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In post 477, Kerset wrote:
In post 460, Anastasia wrote:Tell me you are aligned with the town and I'll be yours, heart and soul.
Sure i am
I don't feel sure in my heart when I hear this and it scares me...
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Post Post #503 (isolation #25) » Sun May 16, 2021 4:16 pm

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In post 491, LlamaFluff wrote:Can I get all lover pairs opinions on the RM/Ana duo?
I think Ana is unhappy with her new lover because Kerset has left a hole in her heart and RM doesn't seem to care at all.
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Post Post #505 (isolation #26) » Sun May 16, 2021 9:06 pm

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I kind of want to give a BoP shot to Llama because I know from playing with him last game that he is highly competent and also by far the scariest player to play against if he is scum.

A BoP shot would neutralize his influence if he were scum while also giving him a solid chance to win the VT side if he were town - it's a move I really like to use when dealing with players of a high caliber in a small POE setting such as this.

Because here is the POV difference:

For Town!LLama, he knows he must get this shot correct between VV & Bambi Jay, because if he misses, he dies next and the town loses the game.

He must put maximum effort into his solve - to give the town the best odds of winning the game.

For Scum!Llama, he knows
it doesn't matter
what his solve is, he will die next elimination no matter which townie he pushes out for the first elim.

This creates a readable difference between what LlamaPuff does.
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Post Post #506 (isolation #27) » Sun May 16, 2021 9:08 pm

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Of course he knows he will have to put in lots of effort even if he is scum, in hopes that we believe he is in good faith doing this even when his initial target flips town.

However if we are
ironclad
in our resolve that we eliminate llama next, or even go the extra step as to eliminate llama
first
and killing his BoP suspicion only
after
he flips town, that can eliminate the motivation for Scum!LLama to tryhard the solve.
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Post Post #509 (isolation #28) » Sun May 16, 2021 9:38 pm

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I have doubts that we would be able to detect Llama if he was scum.

His play is very strong and I think he would have a good chance of winning against VV and Bambi if he were the scum.
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Post Post #518 (isolation #29) » Mon May 17, 2021 2:18 am

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In post 510, Klick wrote:Then why is your answer to that voting him second instead of reading the other two?
the idea is to put pressure on Llama to make the decision and make him readable.

I don't see anything that I would be willing to bet the game on in terms of a post that is alignment indicative one way or the other and it feels like the game is beginning to stall a bit.
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Post Post #522 (isolation #30) » Mon May 17, 2021 2:30 am

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Why are you so tunneled on Bambi Scum?

I don't think you've considered very strongly the possibility you are just wrong here.
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Post Post #523 (isolation #31) » Mon May 17, 2021 2:31 am

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and I am not punishing Llama for being a good player.

I am trying to create dispersion in his behavior to read him.

It's not the same thing.
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Post Post #527 (isolation #32) » Mon May 17, 2021 2:40 am

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I don't really understand your play. It doesn't make sense to me why you'd want the most townread lover pair eliminated if you are scum, but it also doesn't make sense for me if you are town either. I don't think you really expect to be able to eliminate me/RM so it feels like it could be a refuge in audacity play to get yourself townread?

I think it could also be that you just don't get along very well with RM and it's not something that can be read into your alignment one way or another.
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Post Post #529 (isolation #33) » Mon May 17, 2021 2:41 am

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In post 526, RationalMadman wrote:If I am wrong then vote your scumread in the vanillas. You are the one afraid to vote, not me. I don't need to blame Llama for the vote being wrong, Llama is one player in the game, I am responsible for my vote and read and Bambi is responsible for her towntelling or scumtelling. If I vote wrong, it's my and Bambi's fault, not Llama's.

If you think Vex is scum, vote Vex, if you think anyone is scum, vote them.

Blaming a scapegoat for things when we miseliminate is a coward's way of avoiding responsibility for their vote being accurate and their fault. Even if everyone screams at you to vote someone that you Townread, even if they threaten to eliminate you if you don't, you must have an open mind and respond to the pressure solely with the intent to get scumreads eliminated or die yourself rather than eliminate scum, caving into the others and getting eliminated the next day phase as you're blamed if it goes wrong.
If I had a scumread in the vanillas I'd vote for them.

This type of post is why I wish I was still with Kerset.

He'd never talk to me like this.
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Post Post #530 (isolation #34) » Mon May 17, 2021 2:43 am

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In post 528, RationalMadman wrote:
In post 526, RationalMadman wrote:rather than eliminate scum,
This was not a typo even. Even if you townread scum, you must be ready for your read to be wrong and still stand by it if it's a strong read. You need to force yourself to make tough calls in this game or you will never learn from your mistakes and grow as a cutthroat player.
That's just not the way I play though.

I'm not going to insist on my reads being correct when they are not very strong to begin with.
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Post Post #669 (isolation #35) » Tue May 18, 2021 3:16 pm

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In post 649, LlamaFluff wrote:Also one thing I missed

@Ana - How confident are you in my ability to play as town?
I'm more interested in reading your motivational dispersion but since it's unlikely people want to go with the idea it's not particularly useful as a method to sort you.
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Post Post #670 (isolation #36) » Tue May 18, 2021 3:21 pm

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In post 606, T-Bone wrote:Scumread. While Ana is pretty okay, RM is not. If it weren't for lovers I'd probably rank scum to town as Kerset>RM>Bingle>Ana honestly.
Why are you townreading me?

I don't think I've done anything notable this game at all.
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Post Post #671 (isolation #37) » Tue May 18, 2021 3:21 pm

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If anything I felt my game in the previous life was far more townie than the listless unmotivated feelings I have towards the game presently.
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Post Post #735 (isolation #38) » Thu May 20, 2021 6:59 am

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kerset if you towntell I will kill all our enemies
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Post Post #739 (isolation #39) » Thu May 20, 2021 7:06 am

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oh I didn't mean cheat Kerset :<
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Post Post #741 (isolation #40) » Thu May 20, 2021 7:15 am

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He keeps trying to butt in on our private conversations :<
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Post Post #743 (isolation #41) » Thu May 20, 2021 7:16 am

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VERY PRIVATE
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Post Post #744 (isolation #42) » Thu May 20, 2021 7:17 am

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Spoiler: For Kerset Only
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Post Post #747 (isolation #43) » Thu May 20, 2021 8:20 am

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I can't believe I'm supposed to be in love with this guy.
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Post Post #748 (isolation #44) » Thu May 20, 2021 8:20 am

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I miss Kerset
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Post Post #751 (isolation #45) » Thu May 20, 2021 8:24 am

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I think Kerset is scum because I think he would've told me he was town by now if he was town and this thought makes me sad inside
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Post Post #753 (isolation #46) » Thu May 20, 2021 8:27 am

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In post 752, RationalMadman wrote:It's okay, you aren't someone who I need the deep approval of as a Mafia player or even person.

So, it's safe to say the distaste in who each of us is paired with is mutual.

You have done next to nothing to help progress the game except make everything about Kerset and your feelings of despair at being my Lover.
It's not my fault you don't care about my feelings :(
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Post Post #760 (isolation #47) » Thu May 20, 2021 12:08 pm

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In post 758, Kerset wrote:
In post 751, Anastasia wrote:I think Kerset is scum because I think he would've told me he was town by now if he was town and this thought makes me sad inside
What? :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: I thought that as beloved one you would see my townyness and now i am left with dagger in hearth


you don't know how much you hurt me
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Post Post #761 (isolation #48) » Thu May 20, 2021 12:14 pm

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In post 755, RationalMadman wrote:It is. However, unlike you I am not going to sit and whine about you. This is the last I will complain. You actually have been extremely rude to me this game. It eventually reaches a point where it isn't banter or funny hut just straight up bullying.
I have not been rude to you this game.

I have not insulted you this game.

The most I've done is some playful banter/teasing which I thought might break the ice a bit, which apparently you took to be some kind of blood insult upon your honor.

I think it's best if we just stopped communicating with each other since anything I say to you is apparently some kind of grave insult.
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Post Post #788 (isolation #49) » Fri May 21, 2021 2:28 am

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I promise there's no game content in this spoiler.

Spoiler: For Kerset Only
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Post Post #895 (isolation #50) » Sat May 22, 2021 2:08 pm

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In post 846, Kerset wrote:I think that your Ana is cute.
Spoiler: Melting
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Post Post #896 (isolation #51) » Sat May 22, 2021 2:33 pm

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I think Kerset is town now
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Post Post #897 (isolation #52) » Sat May 22, 2021 2:33 pm

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This has nothing to do with him saying nice things about me, I'm not that easy to pocket I swear.
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Post Post #898 (isolation #53) » Sat May 22, 2021 2:34 pm

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Who am I kidding every time he says something nice to me I feel like I'm falling through the floor.
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Post Post #899 (isolation #54) » Sat May 22, 2021 2:36 pm

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I don't want to vote for T-bone though because if T-bone flips green I'll know my Kerset is scum and I don't think I can handle that >.> <.< I just want to stay with him forever.

Can we just do the VTs first?

Like missing on the Lover Pair puts us at Lylo tommorrow with scum quickhammer available on 1 misplaced vote, but if we mis-execute on the VT side that's not really true because scum still need 2 bad votes to win.
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Post Post #903 (isolation #55) » Sat May 22, 2021 10:30 pm

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In post 901, LlamaFluff wrote:
In post 899, Anastasia wrote:I don't want to vote for T-bone though because if T-bone flips green I'll know my Kerset is scum and I don't think I can handle that >.> <.< I just want to stay with him forever.

Can we just do the VTs first?

Like missing on the Lover Pair puts us at Lylo tommorrow with scum quickhammer available on 1 misplaced vote, but if we mis-execute on the VT side that's not really true because scum still need 2 bad votes to win.
Is this reversed for anyone else? To me if we can 100% hit scum I would prefer lover target. If we hit town, I would prefer it in VT group.
How do you know we can 100% hit scum?

What is the benefit of hitting the scum lovers first vs hitting the scum VT?
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Post Post #907 (isolation #56) » Sun May 23, 2021 1:08 am

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In post 905, VFP wrote:
In post 899, Anastasia wrote:Can we just do the VTs first?
Which VT?
I think it's Llama because the way he's quietly trying to take control feels like the same thing he did last game as scum.

It's just more subtle this time.
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Post Post #908 (isolation #57) » Sun May 23, 2021 1:10 am

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In post 906, VFP wrote:
In post 903, Anastasia wrote:How do you know we can 100% hit scum?

What is the benefit of hitting the scum lovers first vs hitting the scum VT?
Less fake pushes?
Kill 2 scum, there's 1 un truthful pish.
Kill 1 scum, there's 2 un truthful pushes.

Not to mention the fact you only get 2 genuine town thought processes to 4.
The more untruthful pushes there are, the more lies/evidence there is to catch.

If we miss in lovers we need only 1 mis-vote from any of 4 town-side players and scum can quick-vote to lose the game.

If we miss in vt we still need 2 mis-votes to lose.

The base probability set on a miss is still a 50-50 in either situation, however the margin of error is worse.
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Post Post #916 (isolation #58) » Sun May 23, 2021 2:59 am

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In post 915, VFP wrote:Llama must just do this as town or scum then, as this is what Llama did as town in my last game.
Which game was Llama scum for you?
the last game before we re-rolled

this time he made a conscious effort to be more passive and only began being more active/controlly towards the end of day
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Post Post #917 (isolation #59) » Sun May 23, 2021 3:01 am

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In post 915, VFP wrote:How did you get to this?
if we elim town lovers game state is:

4 town
3 Mafia

if 1 town player votes the wrong lover pair, the 3 mafia can quickvote speed elim.


if we elim town vt game state is:
4 town
4 mafia

you need 2 town players to vote wrong before mafia can quick vote.
margin of error is different.
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Post Post #963 (isolation #60) » Sun May 23, 2021 5:12 am

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In post 961, Kerset wrote:In your delusional mind.
I'm melting
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Post Post #988 (isolation #61) » Sun May 23, 2021 1:55 pm

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I'm fine with being eliminated here as long as I have assurances from the others in this game that T-bone and VFP follow us out 100% of the time. I will have many words for the townside post-game if somehow Kerset/Bingle get eliminated after us.

I don't share RM's conviction that Bambi is the goon. I still believe Llama is more likely as the Goon.

I trust Kerset/Bingle to make the right reads on the VT side.
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Post Post #989 (isolation #62) » Sun May 23, 2021 1:57 pm

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VOTE: T-Bone
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Post Post #990 (isolation #63) » Sun May 23, 2021 1:59 pm

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I should amend that.

Do not let Llama be the last VT standing. He is ridiculously good at looking townie when he's actually scum.
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Post Post #992 (isolation #64) » Sun May 23, 2021 2:14 pm

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I don't see why you feel the need to interact with me if town!you believes I'm scum and will flip red and yourself to be proven right.

My words might as well mean nothing to you - the fanciful wind.
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Post Post #995 (isolation #65) » Sun May 23, 2021 2:25 pm

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It's fine I don't mind being the one on the vote count.

After I flip green please listen to me and eliminate T-bone/VFP - they will flip red.

the other scum is probably just Llama here but if I'm wrong on him I guess you can listen to RM and flip Bambi.

You can blame the game loss 100% on me if I am wrong but I am not wrong here.
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Post Post #996 (isolation #66) » Sun May 23, 2021 2:31 pm

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In post 994, LlamaFluff wrote:Its actually a little funny. Last game RM was town and was going to get killed for being obtuse. This time he is scum but going to get killed because his partner is obtuse.
That's funny because I'm much sharper when I'm actually scum.

When I'm town I tend to care less about winning the argument.
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Post Post #1000 (isolation #67) » Sun May 23, 2021 2:43 pm

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In post 998, LlamaFluff wrote:So you play anti-town as town? Also so SS is town because... OMGUS?

Also theoretically thats already a hammer.

Why are you pretending to be dense?

SS is town because you're scum.

It has nothing to do with you voting me.

I suspected you since I asked to BoP you days ago.
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Post Post #1003 (isolation #68) » Sun May 23, 2021 2:45 pm

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In post 1001, Bambi Jay wrote:I'm using this valuable post to tell you all something important.

The mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell.

Edit: FUXK
Never change Bambi <3
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Post Post #1007 (isolation #69) » Sun May 23, 2021 2:51 pm

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In post 1006, Bambi Jay wrote:If 8 of us say you are obtuse and only the victim disagrees...

You are obtuse.
Bambi there's only 3 scum in this game.

If 20,000 observers pick wrong and I pick right.

I'm not the obtuse one. The 20,000 people who picked wrong are.
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Post Post #1013 (isolation #70) » Sun May 23, 2021 3:09 pm

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I am fine being mis-elimmed because mis-eliminations happen all the time in mafia.

Statistically speaking it should happen 66% of the time in this setup.

This is one of those. That's perfectly fine with me.

However

I am not fine being mis-elimmed and then being vilified as if it's somehow my fault that I got mis-elimed.

It is not my fault I am the way I am. It is your fault for mis-reading me.

I am not fine with my dying reads being thrown into a bucket to burn as if I didn't even play this game and I'm some kind of obtuse idiot you can just ignore.

Kill T-Bone/VFP after us - you can blame me for being a moron if they somehow flip town. I really really really really doubt they flip town here.

in the VT pool kill Llama, game should be over then.
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Post Post #1015 (isolation #71) » Sun May 23, 2021 3:18 pm

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I mean we'll see at the end of the game how good my reads are for "not playing the game"
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Post Post #1017 (isolation #72) » Sun May 23, 2021 3:51 pm

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^

This is performative to look better for post-green flip on my slot.
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Post Post #1020 (isolation #73) » Sun May 23, 2021 4:08 pm

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I would vote you if we were doing VTs but you know we are doing Lovers so I am on T-Bone.
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Post Post #1021 (isolation #74) » Sun May 23, 2021 4:09 pm

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I prefer to do VTs but if nobody agrees with me on that I can't really do anything about it
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Post Post #1076 (isolation #75) » Mon May 24, 2021 8:40 am

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RM can you please stop being baited by T-Bone.

He is trying to make you look bad so he can push us out of the game and claim it's because of your personality after we flip.

Just stop talking to him.
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Post Post #1084 (isolation #76) » Mon May 24, 2021 9:13 am

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In post 1082, RationalMadman wrote:That is good, I want it to be more and more obvious how scummy he is.
He's literally just going to blame your personality for it.

The longer the shit-fight between you and him goes on for, the less likely anyone is going to have the patience to actually read it.
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Post Post #1086 (isolation #77) » Mon May 24, 2021 9:19 am

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we solve in the VTs then

VOTE: LlamaFluff

Let's see where T-Bone and VFP vote
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Post Post #1151 (isolation #78) » Mon May 24, 2021 4:56 pm

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In post 1146, RationalMadman wrote:Ana change to Bambi please.
I'm pretty sure it's Llama here. Why does nobody else see it?

if we kill Bambi and she flips green, Llama is just going to skewer and murder SS tomorrow and the game is over.
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Post Post #1155 (isolation #79) » Mon May 24, 2021 5:04 pm

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if you're able to just kill both of the other VTs despite me saying you are scum over and over again then this game is over and all my efforts are pointless
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Post Post #1156 (isolation #80) » Mon May 24, 2021 5:05 pm

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like i don't know what else I can do at this point to get people to understand you are scum

maybe throw my shoe at you?
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Post Post #1178 (isolation #81) » Tue May 25, 2021 12:23 am

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VOTE: llama

I have done all I can

not even my own lover who knows i am mod confirmed innocent will help me

i am in despair

a deep despair with no hope.
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Post Post #1179 (isolation #82) » Tue May 25, 2021 12:24 am

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i dont understand why you think you have to be right RM

i really dont.

what is so amazing about your Bambi solution?

have you even considered for a second you could be wrong?
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Post Post #1180 (isolation #83) » Tue May 25, 2021 12:25 am

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llama floats above with no votes.

so calm no worries

most townread of VTs

just like last game

when he was scum and had no trouble

it is infuriating.
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Post Post #1181 (isolation #84) » Tue May 25, 2021 12:26 am

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if llama wins this i dont count this as a loss for me

i catch him as scum nobody listens to me

it is what it is.
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Post Post #1185 (isolation #85) » Tue May 25, 2021 2:44 am

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if we miss in lovers we just lose
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Post Post #1188 (isolation #86) » Tue May 25, 2021 2:49 am

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I'm shocked you are hard defending Llama

I couldn't have seen that happening at all
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Post Post #1189 (isolation #87) » Tue May 25, 2021 2:50 am

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In post 1013, Anastasia wrote:Kill T-Bone/VFP after us - you can blame me for being a moron if they somehow flip town. I really really really really doubt they flip town here.

in the VT pool kill Llama, game should be over then.
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Post Post #1190 (isolation #88) » Tue May 25, 2021 2:52 am

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the solution is just Llama - T-Bone - VFP

VFP first post out of post-flip is to continue on with defending Llama by shading Bambi, then pushes on Ana/RM being scum even though earlier he had said SS is our scum partner.

There is no re-consideration of game state, the flip doesn't change his views at all. He hard tunnels on his solution because he can't afford to have Llama flip scum here.

He knows if I can get Llama dead and flipped red I will hard push for his elimination and its game over for scum so he has to double down on protecting Llama.
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Post Post #1192 (isolation #89) » Tue May 25, 2021 2:56 am

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*throws my shoe at VFP*
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Post Post #1193 (isolation #90) » Tue May 25, 2021 3:01 am

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In post 888, VFP wrote:These are the scum teams

RM / Ana / SS
Kerset / Bingle / Llama
Me / T-Bone / Bambi
You said this when you tried to pushkill me yesterday ^

So from your POV if you truly believed it, SS flipping town would make RM/Ana town, which means the only scum team possible from a town!you POV is Kerset/Bingle, which would make Llama the scum.

But here you open up and push Bambi instead, protecting your buddy Llama because you KNOW I will come after you hard after Llama red flips and you have no choice but to go for a win now, you can't bus and have it fall back into lovers.
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Post Post #1231 (isolation #91) » Tue May 25, 2021 8:06 am

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AND YOU HAVE A GOOD REASON TO TOWNREAD LLAMAFLUFF?!?!

ARE YOU SEROIUS!?!?!?!?
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Post Post #1233 (isolation #92) » Tue May 25, 2021 8:11 am

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look RM

just listen to me one time

thats all I ask of you

give me ONE TIME

if i'm wrong on llama you can curse me out and tell me I'm the worst mafia player in the history of the world or whatever

You can even pick which lover pair we push after llama flips red.

I promise to listen to whatever you say.

I will dance for you and sit on your lap and tell you you are the best player to ever play mafia.

please im begging youuuu
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Post Post #1234 (isolation #93) » Tue May 25, 2021 8:12 am

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In post 1232, Kerset wrote:he is rational man
i miss you :(
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Post Post #1236 (isolation #94) » Tue May 25, 2021 8:14 am

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because I literally poured my soul into the thread and he knows if we flip town his scum buddies will go down tomorrow and then he will flip after that.

he knows he couldn't get away with shitpushing us out the game and us flipping green so he switched target to SS because SS is terrible at defending himself
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Post Post #1237 (isolation #95) » Tue May 25, 2021 8:14 am

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what is DP1 mean?
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Post Post #1238 (isolation #96) » Tue May 25, 2021 8:15 am

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do you really think Llama is incapable of DEPTH OF REASONING when he's scum? Like we literally just watched him dance all over the town last game with his reasoning...
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Post Post #1242 (isolation #97) » Tue May 25, 2021 8:32 am

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In post 1240, LlamaFluff wrote:Wait... how do you know who would have died next if you are town who went D1? I had no idea beyond it was going to be up to the VTs, most of us appeared to have not fully formed opinions.

If me/RM die and Tbone/VFP still manage to survive then the game is hopelessly lost
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Post Post #1243 (isolation #98) » Tue May 25, 2021 8:34 am

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In post 1241, Kerset wrote:
Spoiler: Fan fiction
RationalMadman wrote: Ana! We need to make some distancing but still get VT voted out. Here is my plan.
People won't believe that we got scum Pt if we argue a lot in main. Tunnel yourself on llama and beg me to vote with you. Do your best! Be as convincing as possible. Offer me dance, lap pillow or something, just put your soul in it!
Anastasia wrote:Of course! Anything for you my love!
I wish this was scum theatre instead of desperately begging my partner to stop deathtunneling a townie

That would make it like not nearly as unpleasant.
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Post Post #1244 (isolation #99) » Tue May 25, 2021 8:37 am

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In post 1240, LlamaFluff wrote:Also your opinion is now that I as scum got rid of SS because he was an easy target... when out of the six lovers who are alive two of them had very blatantly signaled that they would vote me over Bambi with only one saying they would vote Bambi? It would pretty much require me to either flip you/Kerset or convince Bingle and TBone that it was Bambi. Your logic there actually supports me being town, because I enter today with three votes automatically against me if I am scum and decided to shift to SS as opposed to if you are town and I pushed that through... all I would need to do is get SS or Bambi on my side (or have one of them be wrong) and I have won as scum. So do what I did... I need to sway at least two votes, possibly three... or not have changed the wagon and sway one vote at most to win.
you got rid of SS because he scumreads you and refused to vote for me/RM and he was an easy target that you could sell.

Kerset has never voted you.

Nobody has ever voted for you except for me.

Yes you pick up one person voting you in the sense that Bambi will vote you but you have to 1v1 someone if we go in VTs so it is not a big loss for you.

This is a much better path to victory for you then shitpushing me/RM out, then having to have VFP/TBone beat Kerset/Bingle despite 2 dead townies proclaiming they are scum.
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Post Post #1247 (isolation #100) » Tue May 25, 2021 8:54 am

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How would you know what the other 2 VTs would do if me/RM go down and I die screaming that You-VFP-T-Bone are the scum team?

You'd be gambling on one of the two VTs willing to ignore my dying reads and just go along with T-Bone/VFP who just helped you kill one lover pair and help them kill the other lover pair too.

Do you have that firm of a hold on the other two VTs?
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Post Post #1249 (isolation #101) » Tue May 25, 2021 9:15 am

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who do you even have to flip in the path we are currently on?

who besides me thinks you're scum?
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Post Post #1250 (isolation #102) » Tue May 25, 2021 9:16 am

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I am literally the only person in this game who thinks you are scum other than the person you are death-dueling and who you are confirmed scum to.

Saying that this path is harder for you to take than eliminating me/RM is laughable.

Why would you not want to keep RM alive when he's hard-deathtunneling the person you need to eliminate?
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Post Post #1260 (isolation #103) » Tue May 25, 2021 1:25 pm

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he said if the opportunity comes to bus to win we should take it
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Post Post #1261 (isolation #104) » Tue May 25, 2021 1:28 pm

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In post 1256, LlamaFluff wrote:They did nothing the entire game really. The closest they came to actually scumhunting was talking about how that they apparently (note this was after I had been calling VV scum) give me the shot to take out a VT, and if I was wrong I go next. That was really bothering me and still actually does, its the only reason I dont 100% buy your two as the town pair. Also their entire attack on me up until I voted for them seemed to be "they are trying to take control of the game like they did as scum".... when you have no meta on both sides, it starts becoming somewhat flawed without additional context, as in again (which Ana still refuses to confirm) how I said bussing is optimal as scum if you feel it wins the game.
I said it because I wanted to see if you would be willing to take control and to generate a divergent reaction from you.

I didn't even know you wanted to kill VV when I said it to you. The point of BoP shotting someone you think is very good at scum is to make them diverge.
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Post Post #1262 (isolation #105) » Tue May 25, 2021 1:41 pm

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For example when I scum-read unwnd in Guardians of the Fortress, I used the same move on him:

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To pressure him to give a correct solve for the Gate, essentially telling him to generate a read and then die. Like an after the fact BoP shot.

Of course the town also ignored me there and unwnd managed to win the game as a result.

Using BoP shots to generate effort variance is a very valid way to create definable reads, but since I have no support from anyone in this game it's impossible for me.

You claim I have done no scum hunting, but how am I supposed to scum hunt when noone will listen to me? Not even my own lover partner supports me. How do I generate any kind of readable content from the people I pressure when my pressure is meaningless?

I have no support this game, non whatsoever. It's fine. I'm not going to spend more energy on something where people want to not listen.
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Post Post #1263 (isolation #106) » Tue May 25, 2021 1:44 pm

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In post 1253, LlamaFluff wrote:Because you are doing the same to me? There is also no reason to believe that trying to move the wagon actually works out like it did. I pretty much threw everything into chaos. With the last minute movement attempt I think pretty much anything was on the table to happen outside of maybe Bingle/Kerset, and even that was not 100% impossible to happen.
Are you trying to imply that I have the same level of thread influence as you?
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Post Post #1265 (isolation #107) » Tue May 25, 2021 2:41 pm

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How would you know that I would be 100% be voting for you? Why couldn't I be pocketed by your mercy that you granted upon me to let me live? When your stance on me softened from "die scum die" to "might be town here" why wouldn't you expect me to reciprocate in kind?
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Post Post #1268 (isolation #108) » Tue May 25, 2021 4:08 pm

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In post 1266, T-Bone wrote:I want to listen to you, Ana.
I feel exhausted inside in every way
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Post Post #1269 (isolation #109) » Tue May 25, 2021 4:09 pm

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Maybe I'm just wrong

maybe you're all right and Llama really is town and I'm being an idiot
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Post Post #1270 (isolation #110) » Tue May 25, 2021 4:09 pm

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It's not like I can get anyone to vote for him anyway so why does it even matter
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Post Post #1323 (isolation #111) » Thu May 27, 2021 9:26 am

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I'm ok with Bambi being elimmed here.

If she flips town i'll get to say i told you so

if she flips scum i'll get to avoid disaster and blame

I am so good at this game.
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Post Post #1343 (isolation #112) » Thu May 27, 2021 1:06 pm

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In post 1332, Bambi Jay wrote:That is literally the opposite of a town mindset and you should feel bad.

For complaining about Ration atleast he's fighting to kill me with effort and spirit. If you garuntee scumread Llama over me switching vote is admitting to being scum because for town that's gamethrowing.
At some point winning a game matters less to me than preserving my sanity.

I passed that point a long time ago.

whatever will be will be.
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Post Post #1345 (isolation #113) » Thu May 27, 2021 1:10 pm

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In post 1336, RationalMadman wrote:Why is Bambi Town, explain it. Your current attitude and hard push on Llama isn't helping anything. If Llama is scum, you are not helping at all. Explain why Bambi is townread by you please, you're reading with tunnel-vision and that isn't okay at such a crucial vote. Llama reads as Townier than Bambi to me.

because their response to the offer of a BoP shot felt more like scum scrambling away from a hot poker than town eager to take up the sword and stab the shit out of a bad guy.
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Post Post #1385 (isolation #114) » Fri May 28, 2021 5:15 am

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this plan is stupid because VFP/T-Bone can just vote to quick-elim Bambi and the game would be over.
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Post Post #1389 (isolation #115) » Fri May 28, 2021 5:20 am

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its functionally worse to conftown someone by risking instant loss since you are skipping over the steps where you can win the game by eliminating the bad guys.
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Post Post #1392 (isolation #116) » Fri May 28, 2021 5:22 am

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I already explained the llama read.

you didnt listen to me yesterday and you're still not listening to me today despite you knowing for sure its llama

I am done talking to you
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Post Post #1553 (isolation #117) » Sun May 30, 2021 5:14 am

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VOTE: bambi

I am a n00b
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Post Post #1734 (isolation #118) » Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:18 am

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I don't see how anyone thinks Llama is mafia here.

The only team he could be paired with is Me/RM.

If you look at the interactions between my slot and llama's slot, does it really look like scum theater to anyone?

I am town.

Llama is town.

Let's vote out Bambi and we can talk about which lover pair to eliminate tommorrow.
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Post Post #1740 (isolation #119) » Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:53 am

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I miss you Kerset
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Post Post #1818 (isolation #120) » Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:24 pm

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Post Post #1819 (isolation #121) » Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:26 pm

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if you guys want to lose the game just vote us out I have made my peace with it
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Post Post #1829 (isolation #122) » Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:15 pm

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I am town
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Post Post #1854 (isolation #123) » Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:12 pm

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t-bone just hammer bambi please
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Post Post #1898 (isolation #124) » Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:56 am

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In post 1887, Kerset wrote:
In post 1864, yessiree wrote:Anastasia, Mafia Lover, dies as well.
How can i find another waifu after this?
I will always be your waifu <3
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Post Post #1899 (isolation #125) » Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:57 am

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Thanks for carrying us Bambi!

Thanks for modding yessiree :3
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