Open 811 - Lovers and Losers (New Game+) [Game Over]

[Something_Smart]

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[yessiree]

VC 1.19

With 9 votes, it takes 5 to eliminate

Kerset (3)

- T-Bone, Bambi Jay, VFP

T-Bone (2)

- Bingle, RationalMadman

Something_Smart (1)

- LlamaFluff

Bambi Jay (1)

- Kerset

Bingle (1)

- Something_Smart

Note Voting - Anastasia

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-05-23 22:00:00)

[VFP]

Vex voting Bingle instead of Kerset was most likely a way to try and distance without adding any additional pressure of the scum buddies.

[Bambi Jay]

Don't tell Smart we're onto him VFP.

[VFP]

Because of that brainfart/slip I am absolutely certain that Vex vs Bingle+Ker isn't a bus relationship, it's authentic.

do you think i would bus a partner in this setup?

Here for example.
It's not really bussing in thos situation.

If Vex thinks that Bingle is scum then the optimal play here is to lim Kerset. But instead Vex is asking Kerset to push Bingle as town.

[VFP]

tbf as well, i still do think rm/ana are town, and i still think bingle/kerset are scum.

Kerset is scum here for Vex, but again no vote.
It shouldn't matter the name if.both are dying...

[VFP]

i think my opinion on jingle/kerset is a little influenced by the fact this is my tryhard account, along with the idea i've had as scum before to more or less ignore the scum pt and play uninformed as possible

also kerset instead of deflecting onto others, why don’t you, y’know, try to defend yourself?

Looks to be telling scum to participate in the PT?
And to stop looking scummy.

I think Vex backed themselves into a corner and is pushing for the scum partners to resolve it.
Even small comments here and there about looking into VTs etc.

[VFP]

also, explanation on kerest being killed: they and bingle are lovers, so it doesn't really matter who i kill from the two, and since kerest is higher on the playerlist, i defaulted to them.
additionally, i'm utterly convinced rm is town, so i basically have a 50/50 on shooting scumlovers

Basically what I'm saying here, but no action to this comment?
If it doesn't matter, then why not put Keerest to E1 here?

[VFP]

Ignore the above, Kerset wasn't E2 at this point. But they were at a time of Vex posting.

[VFP]

Don't tell Smart we're onto him VFP.

Okay!

@Something Smart

You're town!

[RationalMadman]

How can Bingle know if he is Town?

Sorry, i did miss a comma. I meant to say: How can Bingle know, if he is town?

Can you repost with what you were trying to communicate here so I can respond?

If Town, Bingle doesn't know which other Lover pair is Town.

Obvious, I know, however this means his job is never to convince onenthe other is scum. That's never his primary objective as a Town Lover, if he is one.

[RationalMadman]

@VFP - Can you give a quick summary of pre-game talk from lovers topic and what happened since then in it? Seems like shift have happened and want to confirm.

VFP is an observant player based on what I think of them in a previous game. There is no way Scum VFP didn't read Tbone and Klick describing the Lover PT already, false or not.

[Kerset]

VC 1.1

With 9 votes, it takes 5 to eliminate

T-Bone - Kerset, Bingle
Klick - Bambi Jay
Bingle - Vex Vience

Note Voting - T-Bone, Klick, Anastasia, Rational Madman, LlamaFluff

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-05-23 22:00:00)

VFP how about you do basic research?

[Anastasia]

I promise there's no game content in this spoiler.

Spoiler: For Kerset Only

[Kerset]

@VFP - Can you give a quick summary of pre-game talk from lovers topic and what happened since then in it? Seems like shift have happened and want to confirm.

You know that in previous iteration of this setup scum got lover PT...

[VFP]

VFP how about you do basic research?

Great argument

VC 1.12

With 9 votes, it takes 5 to eliminate

Kerset (3)

- Klick, T-Bone, Bambi Jay

T-Bone (2)

- Bingle, RationalMadman

Vex Vience (1)

- LlamaFluff

Bambi Jay (1)

- Kerset

Bingle (1)

- Vex Vience

Note Voting - Anastasia

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-05-23 22:00:00)

@llama - if me and bambi end up talking, i can probably sort them solely from that.
@tbone - how exactly do i feel different this game? i said my normal start got ruined by the reroll so i’m mostly just playing as korina with a different typing style.

@llama - if me and bambi end up talking, i can probably sort them solely from that.

Given this, I think the real question Llama wants answered is why haven't you been trying to talk to Bambi in order to sort her?

because i simply haven’t had the motivation to actually try this game thus far, plus i work close to 40hrs/week and end up sleeping most of the day when I get home, so my time on the forums is limited

@llama if everyone/mostly everyone agrees you’re town, i’ll go along with it because it means it’s less effort for me, meaning the time i actually have free to read the game isn’t spent on other things

also, wrt time constraints, why would i lie about that to influence a game of mafia? yes this is my try-hard account, but i’m above trying to use things like that. not to mention i’m relatively certain i have actually mentioned on the site before my irl circumstances since it did lead to me siteflaking at several points. i will not answer anything further on this topic until post-game either, and i will likely only answer it in speakeasy, because i don’t want this to be publicly available unless i make it that.

For someone who was so set on Bingle and you as scum, they sure didn't care about you being on E2 here.
These are the posts that Vex made when you were E2.
Vex responds to a comment just after the VC and is clearly trying to get focus back into the VTs.

Vex looks like a defeatist here and the replace out doesn't look good regardless if there's a genuine reason or not.

[Kerset]

Because of that brainfart/slip I am absolutely certain that Vex vs Bingle+Ker isn't a bus relationship, it's authentic.

do you think i would bus a partner in this setup?

Here for example.
It's not really bussing in thos situation.

If Vex thinks that Bingle is scum then the optimal play here is to lim Kerset. But instead Vex is asking Kerset to push Bingle as town.

The truth is that it was Tbone, who voted me instead of Bingle. I had 0 votes, he had 1. If your logicis valid then it is Tbone, who misplayed with sinister intention.

[VFP]

But my point is as a whole.
Vex never swapped a vote to who they considered as out right scum.
Therefor bussing isn't really bussing here.

[VFP]

I mean, of course you don't agree with what I'm saying here because it negatively impacts you.

[Kerset]

If you seek the answer, not the argue then explanation is simple. People don't move votes until they catch up.
If your assumptions are that we are all scum partners and wish to argue under those then i can't help you.

[VFP]

For the read itself, it's gut. Vex doesn't feel the same way they did last game. Whereas I absolutely townread Bambi, and Llama also doesn't feel the same to me as last game. If all my reads are correct, then Vex is the solve based on that. Do I know for sure? No, but that's where I'm at.

Here is T-Bones comment

@llama - if me and bambi end up talking, i can probably sort them solely from that.
@tbone - how exactly do i feel different this game? i said my normal start got ruined by the reroll so i’m mostly just playing as korina with a different typing style.

This is a response to the above

Vote: Kerset

Here is vote 2

VOTE: Kerset

Here is vote 3

VC 1.11

With 9 votes, it takes 5 to eliminate

Kerset (3)

- Klick, T-Bone, Bambi Jay

T-Bone (2)

- Bingle, RationalMadman

Vex Vience (1)

- LlamaFluff

Bambi Jay (1)

- Kerset

Bingle (1)

- Vex Vience

Note Voting - Anastasia

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-05-23 22:00:00)

Here is the VC (edited before Vex posted)

Will look into it after work. Is this more of a scumread or a strong townread on RM/Ana?

Here is the first post after VC

@llama - if me and bambi end up talking, i can probably sort them solely from that.
@tbone - how exactly do i feel different this game? i said my normal start got ruined by the reroll so i’m mostly just playing as korina with a different typing style.

Here is a response to the above.

We can assume Vex was caught up and was fully aware of the VC.
Yet, no vote?

[VFP]

VFP how about you do basic research?

[VFP]

Actually 603 is in regards to

@VV - Again, at what point do you feel you can read Bambi enough to make that the primary motivation for a vote in VT pool?

Which means that a full read up was done from Vex's last post before.

[VFP]

@llama - if me and bambi end up talking, i can probably sort them solely from that.

Given this, I think the real question Llama wants answered is why haven't you been trying to talk to Bambi in order to sort her?

because i simply haven’t had the motivation to actually try this game thus far, plus i work close to 40hrs/week and end up sleeping most of the day when I get home, so my time on the forums is limited

This is the post that confirms Vex had finished reading.
And no vote? No comment on what has occurred?

[Kerset]

We live in two different universes.

*In mine Vex had no time, they only quickly made those few posts from phone

and address only things directly related to theyself

completely ignoring the rest, because they are in hurry. They apology in 612 that they can't fully commit to the game. Ultimately they replace dude lack of time.

*In yours they read everything. They fully catch up as 612 suggest and use sneaky tactic to post less then normal on their "tryhard account".

I can't tell whenever you are looking at this from wrong angle, use confrimation bias or intentionally shade me.