osuka's Mini Normal Review, June 2021

[Isis]

Rough draft is very townsided

[Isis]

I think it's more than one role cut from being balanced. I'm supposed to make counter offers but you have so much town power you can carve away it my be more productive to see a second draft.

[Isis]

Oh I missed that interaction, using the role makes the traitor appear guilty. Holstering makes the traitor a godfather.

[Isis]

I think what you want to do is flipflop it. Make the group scum member a simple neighborizer and make sure the partner has a PR.
Then give the traitor a fixed N0 neighborhood

[Isis]

The scumpartner doesn't actually need a PR nevermind, the mafias can already communicate with eachother

[Isis]

Right

[Isis]

Right

[Isis]

I'm not sure if cop traitor is something that would be considered normal or not. A mafia cop would make more sense.

I think some players consider roles that cannot do anything bastard, at least in some contexts, and I think that'd be one of those contexts.

[Isis]

nsg is more familiar with normals than i am so if she says traitor cop is normal it's normal

this setup is ok aesthetically but I think the town power level is still really high.

[Isis]

I think it's ok if you cut the weak visitor.

[Isis]

It's not any one PR, no, they're all kept from realizing full potential as ungated investigatives. But mediumish power spread across so many slots can be really good. Keeping mind that having a traitor slot instead of a goon slot is very very powerful for town itself, even with the neighbor shot that's in the setup now

[Isis]

wow so I was the only one of the three of us that realized a traitor cop is someone who has a role that finds the answers the traitor cop already knows.

and then when I tried to explain y'all were like "Isis is a square who think Mafia Neapolitans can't be in normals or something"

lol

[Isis]

I think 32 is fine? It seems fine.

[Isis]

I don't like the informed. It's more of a quality of life thing than a balance thing.
Ungated strongman is usually bad but I'm pretty antsy about the power of jailing the even night power roles on odd nights so I kind of just want to keep it here. It's not like it renders the protective part of the Jailkeeper meaningless, it's meaningful so long as the strongman is eliminated.

[Isis]

Lets do odd night strongman I think that's fine

[Isis]

Yeah. That's how it works

[Isis]

Yeah, that's the final setup, do some PMs

[Isis]

I'm a little nervous about simplistic gunsmith PMs. Would prefer it say "whether the player has a gun in flavor" or link the wiki page.

NSG is correct about traitors learning their partner's roles.

Need results PMs.

[Isis]

Results PMs are the PMs investigative roles get back from investigations.

It's a quality control thing; it seems so simple that maybe it seems the review process doesn't need it, but sometimes there are results PMs that are worded wrongly.

[Isis]

You should not send the jailkeeper a PM after their night action.

The other PMs are fine

[Isis]

Those two are fine. "Your action failed* messages are only given to players who were roleblocked while performing some type of investigation. They should not be sent when a kill fails

[Isis]

I agree with those recommendations and also don't view them as binding recommendations (except VT PM in the OP which I think is an implo rule and regardless is such a good recommendation it should be binding)

[Isis]

de nada

Just so implo doesn't have to scroll up and interpret and etc:

This setup is passed.