Mini Theme 2212: Ircher's Grand Idea Mafia: SCUM WIN

[Asteria]

VOTE: VFP

why not

[Asteria]

SirCakez has a 50% chance of being Werewolf by his role.

That's higher than 7.7%
VOTE: cakez

[Asteria]

I also think it's a bad idea

[Asteria]

I have never been so confused by a vc

[Asteria]

Flea works for me

VOTE: Flea

[Asteria]

Asteria's vote is pants, VFP seems town but weird town if that makes sense.

I mean I know it's not me and there is a solid chance 2 of us 3 voting are scum sooo

I'm still fine with flea

[Asteria]

So after thought this is where I'm at.

Town leader
Cakes

Most likely town
Robert
Ircher
A50

Maybe town
Vax
Guil

?
T3
Enchant
VD

Scum butt who is someone I look up to but still scum so I have to do this! For the good of this village!
Flea

Robert moves down to most likely just because of there apparently being a day vig SK option.

What about me?

[Asteria]

Asteria's vote is pants, VFP seems town but weird town if that makes sense.

I mean I know it's not me and there is a solid chance 2 of us 3 voting are scum sooo

I'm still fine with flea

I genuinely forget you're even in this game.

Sadly the WIM tell is no good on people I don't know. But your ISO is about as empty as this post.

Not much else to say. By poe I think you're scum

[Asteria]

Asteria's vote is pants, VFP seems town but weird town if that makes sense.

I mean I know it's not me and there is a solid chance 2 of us 3 voting are scum sooo

I'm still fine with flea

I genuinely forget you're even in this game.

Sadly the WIM tell is no good on people I don't know. But your ISO is about as empty as this post.

Not much else to say. By poe I think you're scum

Sure, coming from the slot with no reads or information I'm sure this valuable.

I have a read on you. There's not that much to get reads from yet. We have a VC analysis we can do and it shows you or me are likely scum and it's not me

I guess we're claiming picks now:
-town compulsive hidden N1 RC N2 tracker (etc)
-town D1 vig, N1 vig, D2 gunsmith (etc)
-mafia restricted joat
-cult leader

[Asteria]

Mine were kinda fun

[Asteria]

Maybe my discard? It has a D1 vig

[Asteria]

Best bet atm is Asteria

VOTE: Asteria

Some okay-ish reasons:
- VCA (sircakez vote, then conveniently disappeared as discourse evolved toward his alternative)
- Apparently keeping up with the thread and engaged but not really generating content
- Consequently, I'm not seeing much sincere searching nor an excuse for that dearth

I have 3 clears and 1 solid vca scumread which I think is pretty good. That's a little over a third of the players sorted.

[Asteria]

Best bet atm is Asteria

VOTE: Asteria

Some okay-ish reasons:
- VCA (sircakez vote, then conveniently disappeared as discourse evolved toward his alternative)
- Apparently keeping up with the thread and engaged but not really generating content
- Consequently, I'm not seeing much sincere searching nor an excuse for that dearth

I have 3 clears and 1 solid vca scumread which I think is pretty good. That's a little over a third of the players sorted.

if it's a solid scumread then where's the push to grow a wagon

There was a wagon, I was pushing, but the wagon died down. Flea's only a scumread for me by VCA and you can only go so far with that when pushing. Either people believe the vca or don't. And then of course I'm the obvious counter by vca

[Asteria]

I am a werewolf ninja taboo strongman

[Asteria]

Robert
Ircher
Cakez

Lustice
VFP
Enchant
A50

Italiano
T3

Vax

Flea The Magician

[Asteria]

bah it didn't remove the chocolate colour and the first mention of xz is bugged... I blame the non-hexcode colour.

Anyway, those are the pre-flip VCAs, talk me through them Asteria.

My main concern and what I was focusing on was people who are now conftown or essentially conftown.
Cakez has 3 votes. Mine, yours, and x's. I think there's a good chance scum was voting with their buddy at some point since having multiple votes makes it easier to hide that. X was voting with you, me, vfp, cakez, robert. Everyone on that list is either conftown or near conftown from my perspective except you and vfp. I townread vfp.

If we want to look at who x was voting, that's ircher, vfp, cakez, lustice, all of which I townread.

So it all adds up

Robert
Ircher
Cakez

Lustice
VFP
Enchant
A50

Italiano
T3

Vax

Flea The Magician

Why is Vax Orange?

Why am i not green?

Why is VFP not green?

Vax is pretty hung up on Robert being a vig and it doesn't look like a towny mindset

Why should you and VFP be green? Green is conf/near conf town

[Asteria]

bah it didn't remove the chocolate colour and the first mention of xz is bugged... I blame the non-hexcode colour.

Anyway, those are the pre-flip VCAs, talk me through them Asteria.

My main concern and what I was focusing on was people who are now conftown or essentially conftown.
Cakez has 3 votes. Mine, yours, and x's. I think there's a good chance scum was voting with their buddy at some point since having multiple votes makes it easier to hide that. X was voting with you, me, vfp, cakez, robert. Everyone on that list is either conftown or near conftown from my perspective except you and vfp. I townread vfp.

If we want to look at who x was voting, that's ircher, vfp, cakez, lustice, all of which I townread.

So it all adds up

Robert
Ircher
Cakez

Lustice
VFP
Enchant
A50

Italiano
T3

Vax

Flea The Magician

Why is Vax Orange?

Why am i not green?

Why is VFP not green?

Vax is pretty hung up on Robert being a vig and it doesn't look like a towny mindset

Why should you and VFP be green? Green is conf/near conf town

About Vax, point taken and noted.

How is Ircher Conftown? SirCakez i understand it, Robert I understand it. But why Ircher and not me as well? Ircher pointed out the existence of two split-vote roles in this game, to which one would be scum.
I called out, pushed and recommended shooting one of them on the spot, so essentially Ircher and I helped ConfTown SirCakes, yet I'm at a lower group than both of them? Why?

VFP is town spewed by the mod. It's policy to read it that way and the very reason why hosts are not allowed to influence the game by validating player's emotions.
Mods are not supposed to make comments like "you were a dick to me and you were a dick to VFP and now he quit", cause that is validating a reason for quitting, one that is mod confirmed. Until that point I thought he could be town but i had a mildly suspicion that it could be an overreaction from scum!VFP after he failed to push and discredit me, so he could have quit as wolf giving up. But with the mod's comment that changed everything! Now I know his reaction was real, that it was real frustration and that he took my push personal. That is why the VFP (now Psyche) slot is now lock town.

So again, why are we not green?

I think you're right. I should have you up there with Ircher as well. Consider yourself green. I don't think scum worries enough about being in yellow instead of green to try to get it changed anyway.

I don't think VFP slot is conftown for that. Scum can have genuine emotions. That was all NAI.

[Asteria]

VOTE: asteria
Feels differentto the Datisi normal game.

How so

[Asteria]

Also just so you know, this is an alt and I'm trying out different things. So unless I'm different as in scummy this time then that's not really valid

[Asteria]

What makes you think he got your pick specifically? There are multiple day vig picks

[Asteria]

Also loses points because apparently only town challenge their read position.

I don't think scum makes themselves stand out by arguing why they should be conftown instead of town.

What makes you think he got your pick specifically? There are multiple day vig picks

Show me one that was claimed (More than half of the players have already claimed their picks). and that's for starters. There is also another reason but I won't get into it just yet. Collectively though I am more than 90% confident this is Robert's role.

One of my picks has a D1 dayvig

[Asteria]

Works for me
VOTE: T3

[Asteria]

T3 is in my null category so I see no problem with a wagon here

[Asteria]

T3 is in my null category so I see no problem with a wagon here

I can see why but do you mind sharing your why to see if we mindmeld?

There isn't really a reason why besides not finding anything in his iso particularly townie.

I think it is.

VOTE: Asteria

Ouch
VOTE: Italiano

5 votes + LJ + Italiano sure looks like hammer for me. If Asteria is Loved then the L-2 on the VC was false to begin with. Unless Italiano is Voteless; in which case someone should know his exact role and alignment.

As much as I don't want to admit it, this seems true

Oh I think I get Italiano's role now. I haven't looked at the role list though so idk if it exists
UNVOTE:

[Asteria]

VOTE: Flea

Italiano seems to have used their role in a pro-town manner to me, so I'm a bit disinclined to go there. That being said, I should probably just go ahead and claim the rest of my picks.

As we are all aware, two of mine were the octuplet voters, 1 werewolf and 1 town.
For my other town one, I submitted Town Voteless Hurter (post #8822).
For my free pick, I submitted Mafia Compulsive Restricted Unvoter (post #4647). I did not submit the town equivalent, but it is very possible someone else did, and I think Italiano would be caught later on if they are indeed scum, so I don't see as much to gain there as we did with the Octuplet voters. At any rate, if Italiano is scum, he can't help his partners quickhammer.

Ok so even if Italiano is scum, he's low priority scum by role.
VOTE: Flea

Notice how she is ok with any yeet? She voted Flea, T3 and yourself? Yah, she has no conviction!

I'm not ok with Ircher, Robert, Cakez, you, now Italiano. That's 5 people in a mini I'm not ok with

[Asteria]

VOTE: Flea

Italiano seems to have used their role in a pro-town manner to me, so I'm a bit disinclined to go there. That being said, I should probably just go ahead and claim the rest of my picks.

As we are all aware, two of mine were the octuplet voters, 1 werewolf and 1 town.
For my other town one, I submitted Town Voteless Hurter (post #8822).
For my free pick, I submitted Mafia Compulsive Restricted Unvoter (post #4647). I did not submit the town equivalent, but it is very possible someone else did, and I think Italiano would be caught later on if they are indeed scum, so I don't see as much to gain there as we did with the Octuplet voters. At any rate, if Italiano is scum, he can't help his partners quickhammer.

Ok so even if Italiano is scum, he's low priority scum by role.
VOTE: Flea

Notice how she is ok with any yeet? She voted Flea, T3 and yourself? Yah, she has no conviction!

I'm not ok with Ircher, Robert, Cakez, you, now Italiano. That's 5 people in a mini I'm not ok with

What about Enchant, Vaxkiller, Almost50 and Psyche?

They're all sorted on my readslist. Yellow and up are no's

No comments on the vote shenangians, Asteria? or just hammering the vote on me like it's going out of fashion?

I didn't hammer. I don't really know what's going on with the votes. I know we have the 1/8 voter and the negative voter. Not sure outside of that.

[Asteria]

Not what I mean and you know it.

But as you wish to play semantics with one whom many call fae....

Asteria I ask you directly, Are you purposfully evading and forming no comment, thought or consideration with the dilemma regarding the votes? Surely you would wish to provide more to the game than to simply to place vote and hold it there.

I don't mean to evade. I have no idea what's going on with the votes. Doesn't it add up anyway?

8xCakez+Guillo = 2 votes.
Italiano = -1 vote.
2+ (-1) = 1

On you there's 2 instead of 3. I can vote someone random after we get an update since your unvote to see if I'm the problem there.

[Asteria]

votecount 11

With 12 alive, 7 to yeet.

Flea The Magician - 2 - Ircher, Flea The Magician, Asteria

Asteria - 1 - SirCakez, SirCakez, SirCakez, SirCakez, SirCakez, SirCakez, SirCakez, SirCakez, ItalianoVD, Lustice Jeague

We know about IVD, but now theres 2 votes missing.

The votes on me add up. There was just 1 missing on you but it's resolved now

Wait... i think Asteria is the vote thief

Um anything I can do to prove I'm not? I don't see where you guys are seeing a stolen vote anyway. Everything adds up

Oh, God! Someone needs to go back to Math 101. Let me try to simplify it for you:

SirCakez (= 8*0.125 =1) + Italiano (= -1) + LJ (= 1)

1-1+1 = 1

I already showed this exact same math too

[Asteria]

also can we note for a moment that italiano has an incredibly antitown role that makes it much easier for scum to win as long as they target anyone else

Yeah yeah join the club. My roles are always seen as anti-town roles, but if Asteria turns out to be town then it was in fact a great move that prevented her from getting executed.

I don't think it's that anti-town for this reason

Eliminating the mod sounds like fun. I've never done that before
VOTE: maru

[Asteria]

Hey, looks like Robert actually did have my role

[Asteria]

Hey, looks like Robert actually did have my role

What do you mean "your role"?? That was my exact 1st pick.

That was my pick as well.

We can do this two ways: Eitehr we yeet Ircher today and see if the game ends, and if not I will die tonight so you can yeet Enchant tomorrow.
OR we can yeet Enchant today and I shoot Ircher tonight. Either way is good for me. If Asteria is Scum and managed to put all flipped scum at the bottom of her read list she deserves to win (and especially so if she is 3P and got those reads for real). I mean, Asteria is either Town with very good reads, 3P with very good reads, or Scum with a heart if stone and steel nerves.

What are your thoughts on a no-elim?

[Asteria]

For all we know we're in mylo so I don't think it's that bad of an idea

[Asteria]

So we don't potentially miselim and then lose today. We have no idea the amount of scum alive. This could be mylo

[Asteria]

So, I guess we are looking for ONE more scumster/anti-town killer.

this implies two no? since those buddies were presumably both alive
the comment makes me think Asteria and Encant are the scum

How did you get I'm scum from that?

[Asteria]

What are your thoughts on a no-elim?

?? I've just explained we could be at 3-1-1 already, and you want to go no lim???

Or we could be 3-2 and lose on a miselim

So, I guess we are looking for ONE more scumster/anti-town killer.

this implies two no? since those buddies were presumably both alive
the comment makes me think Asteria and Encant are the scum

One was Vex (Guillo) who was alive at the time.

But Asteria calling for the no lim is indeed a red flag. Maybe she is the 3P (with damn good reads on the scum team)??

If I was third party I wouldn't be helping town this much

[Asteria]

If I was third party I wouldn't be helping town this much

You would if you are NK-prrof. You do want to get globally TR'd, and you're not worried about the Mafia shooting you

Maybe but I'm not

Uh, if it's 3:2, we also lose by no limming.

Not necessarily

Asteria, hammer mod please.

No, I'm good

[Asteria]

Yeah, massclaim works for me. What's the order?

[Asteria]

No, I'm good

I'm highly tempted to vote you for this alone.

I just don't want to mess things up now that we're so close to endgame (apparently I forgot to unvote)

So, I guess we are looking for ONE more scumster/anti-town killer.

this implies two no? since those buddies were presumably both alive
the comment makes me think Asteria and Encant are the scum

How did you get I'm scum from that?

I meant Flea's comment about their buddies not doing anything

I've been doing stuff

I agree massclaim should happen I think Asteria should go first

Yeah, sure. Once everyone agrees I'll claim

... What is DM?

Direct message. You'll have to pm the mod anything and we get our VCs through pm

[Asteria]

Asteria claim. Cakex is conftown so he can choose claim order.

Ok

Town Untargetable Modified Deathproof Strong-Willed Strongman

[Asteria]

Not everyone claimed

I didn't want to out myself if we weren't actually going to massclaim. Same reason I told you I wasn't NK proof a few posts ago.

So anyway. This is mylo. We should no-elim

[Asteria]

VOTE: No-elim

[Asteria]

@Asteria: No Elim = SC gets NK'd. There's no way you die (if you are what you claim you are) or I die (2 "strongman" vigs already flipped, so I very much doubt there's a third.

Let's say Ircher AND Enchant are scum (of the Mafia faction, so that IS 3:2). This means they shoot SC and WIN.

This is why I still think you are anti-Town. I can't see Town!You miscalculating the whole situation like that. Unless you want me to actually shoot someone (between Enchant & Ircher) in which case WHY don't we just yeet one today??

@SC: Do you see my PoV? Can you please weigh in on this?

No yeah you're right. I was planning to bait the NK after no-eliming but then we'd just be back to square one anyway.

I don't think you should shoot anyone

Asteria claim. Cakex is conftown so he can choose claim order.

Ok

Town Untargetable Modified Deathproof Strong-Willed Strongman

If you are telling the truth, I would be very surprised that didn't get vetoed. I know that's rich coming from me (seeing as I just let an unkillable player in my last GIM), but I got a lot of flack for including that and the one I allowed didn't really have other powers. Inventors aren't that rare (especially compared to roles that can kill untargetable roles).

Yeah I'm surprised too but not complaining

[Asteria]

Asteria claim. Cakex is conftown so he can choose claim order.

Ok

Town Untargetable Modified Deathproof Strong-Willed Strongman

so you literally just can't die from anything? NK or elim?

I think Enchant should claim next

Yep I just get to exist without a care in the world

[Asteria]

UNVOTE:

Well. Ircher would hammer if Asteria was town and he is mafia so...

This is just not correct. That would be so obvious and suspicious

[Asteria]

He did in his first post

[Asteria]

Wait, it was actually mylo?

[Asteria]

I had 0 chance considering that list of night kills

[Asteria]

I was hoping to be able to claim some sort of bulletproof but I think the one I chose worked better anyway