Open 811 - Lovers and Losers (New Game+) [Game Over]

[Bambi Jay]

I can't really convince you harder here VFP but basically it comes down to 4v2 atm against Ration and Llama. I'd say Ana is there too but she isn't doing much.

If you trust Tbone vote Ration or Llama like the rest of us. If Ration's recent actions along with us telling you about Llama didn't change your mind... Well I guess you'd vote me anyway.

I did all I can today for ya. Kerset, Tbone and Bingle clearly think it's them. there's 3 scum alive and 3 people fighting us. Your vote saves or ends the game.

Make the right choice.

[Bambi Jay]

I mean I would sing a lullaby for ya but 1. I'm a horrible singer and 2. We're playing forumafia. That wasn't a word yet but I like it so I'm keeping it.

That's a beautiful dolphin picture.

[Bambi Jay]

That... Is that giving up or is my scumread on him making me misinterpret the above post?

8 hours until doomsday and Llama hasn't showed up today either. I dunno what that's about.

[Bambi Jay]

The vote didn't go through on our end because Tbone voted Llama instead of following us onto Ration and Ana. Why is town doomed because of a stupid plurality rule that means because one townie is siding against us we lose now.

God damnit.

[Bambi Jay]

If I'm dying anyway because VFP sided with scum I'm putting my protest vote on Llama. I'm Tbone's partner now.

VOTE: Llama

I hate this feeling of literally seeing an obvious scum get one townie to win with plurality rules. It's shite.

[Bambi Jay]

VOTE: Ration

Thank God.

[Bambi Jay]

Why are you even posting? Can't you just brag about your victory in silence instead of teasing us with useless questions?

Go talk to Ana in your PT thread or something instead. I'm sure she's happy there.

[Bambi Jay]

Llama STILL hasn't solved any damn lovers or done anything besides throw the blame at me.

5 of us actually tried to solve the game today. 4 of those 5 are voting Ration because Llama used stupid logic to make us ignore blatantly scummy behavior.

I'm literally staying up just to try and convince you VFP why your making a mistake. The deadline for my timezone ends at 3 in the morning.

What more do we gotta say to convince you?

[Bambi Jay]

Feels like we are quickly moving towards Vex vs Bingle/Kers vs Tbone/Klick though. People need to start being clear about which of those is what they want most.

I have changed my mind on the pair I scumread more, I want Klick and Tbone pair eliminated out of the pairs but it is a very close call.

I am basing that vote on Kerset more than on any of the other three.

After you vote us off, vote Bambi and Klick + Tbone since if Bambi is scum, it's actually less likely that Kerset and Bingle are.

And I am excited to vote you out simce I am quite sure you are scum with Tbone.

Furthermore, the reads Tbone has in the vanillas seem fabricated to me. How can Tbone townread Bambi? How can Tbone say Vex is totally different to last game? I never got follow-up on this despite asking him several times.

@VFP - Can you give a quick summary of pre-game talk from lovers topic and what happened since then in it? Seems like shift have happened and want to confirm.

VFP is an observant player based on what I think of them in a previous game. There is no way Scum VFP didn't read Tbone and Klick describing the Lover PT already, false or not.

Tbone and VFP are scum pair I am quite sure now.

Tbone and VFP are scum pair I am quite sure now.

Simply put until now, I had zero read on Klick overall. Now I am getting a scumread on VFP.

So this is where I have you dead to rights.
You are saying that as scum I do not understand the rules, but as town I would.

Nope. I already scumread Tbone and nullread Klick, siding towards scum.

You come in and didn't read the bog bold text which would catch the eye of anybody reading the first page, especially as Town.

I asked why you did not do it and you became extremely hostile and defensive and now vote Anastasia.

So Klick is null and I am scum because town me always reads the rules, but scum me doesn't?

I ever ever, not even once, said that you are solely scum for only that. You are twisting things entirely.

I said my stronger scumread is on Tbone, or rather was now I absolutely scumread you.

I then said that my read on you leans scum due to your general behaviour since returning to the game being far more casual and lacking attention than normal.

You are the one pretending it solely was about that, it wasn't. I have said this about 9 times now, literally.

Scum pair is VFP and Tbone, Goon in vanillas is Llama or Bambi, I am quite sure of this, if Ana and myself are voted today, sheep these reads, it results in Town-win.

S_S being scumread by VFP is 0% a factor in these reads, if anything that would make me feel artificial distancing is occuring, this is based largely on Vex earlier on and the vibe I got.

I have said absolutely everything possible in my defence, I do not know what more is wanted from me and welcome anyone else to question me.

You had no problem with Kerset telling VFP to vote Bambi and VFP complying though. I don't remember you getting upset about that and calling Kerset scum

Kerset isn't VFP's partner and I still read Bambi as your Goon so really I didn't care, you're correct. I wanted to see if VFP would unvote Bambi the first chance they got and they did.

It doesn't really matter at this point, I am very sure it's VFP and Tbone so just get this over with and then vote them.

You didn't play this game though, only Klick played it truly less than you and Klick replaced out.

That said, I don't understand the scumread on you Llama has and the one VFP has on me is based on absolute lies which is fine because VFP and Tbone are going next.

VFP literally quoted me and just admitted how they screwed up big time accusing me of basing my scumread on the question I asked about why they didn't read the alternate win-con. Their quotes unequivocally prove I scumread them before it and regardless of it and that the question was asked in neutrality, to pressure and judge from the answer.

VFP is also lying that I invented a meta. I noticed VFP is very observant as Town, that is 100% accurate meta, it doesn't mean VFP is the polar opposite as scum but perhaps that VFP is less so as Scum if I add it together with my overall scum vibe/read from VFP that I had been developing through from the Bambi vote-unvote behaviour to the willingness to vote Kerset blindly and suddenly scumread S_S to justify an elimination of you and I... VFP's reasoning is not just all over the place it's absolute unequivocal bullshit.

Stop pussy footing this vote, vote Ana and myself, we flip Town, then vote Tbone and VFP, I am not playing around here.

Please stop being dishonest Tbone.

Thank you.

the solution is just Llama - T-Bone - VFP

Why isn't the solution the same pair with Bambi?

God your acting like a smug rich teenager with a very punchable face right now Llama.

Excuse me while I finish making a highlight reel of Ration going after Tbone and Klick/VFP and or me. He actually seems to have had this planned since the beginning.

[Bambi Jay]

It combined the 2 nice.

Anyway yeah Ration has been at it since like post 400 continuously setting up Tbone and VFP as the elims. The ones we accidentally towncleared even by Llama's admittance above.

My and your eliminations have been planned from the start, VFP.

[Bambi Jay]

I've never seen a town player allergic to legitimately giving out reads. It's almost impressive how you don't wanna give AI content in the last moments VFP can make a choice.

[Bambi Jay]

Your the one who suggested sacrificing them in the first place. I didn't and shouldn't listen to a damn scum suggestion that wasted like 3 days and now we lose cuz you convinced one townie I'm worse then you.

We are literally here until you wake up VFP plz reconsider.

[Bambi Jay]

Basically midnight and 3 hours left. Gah.

I don't know if I'll actually be able to stay awake until then.

[Bambi Jay]

If your repeating that argument the ninth God dam time I'll repeat mine. Scum is scum. Logic doesn't care if your evil or good. You are evil and eliming you ended the game faster. It's my fault I guess for wanting that but now that town will lose because of it and because of a possible plurality ruling...

You couldn't even convince people to elim me the normal way. Honestly I won't say you didn't have real stuff today cuz that's not true, but I feel you used the one deadline extension we had on the less important day so the mod wouldn't be able to extend the endgame of today. That extension earlier also led to Smart dying.

I'm still trying to stay up now for 2 and a half hours. My brain will hurt.

[Bambi Jay]

Hour and a half until doomsday. God I'm falling asleep. Fml.

[Bambi Jay]

I stayed up so late I missed my sleep cycle but suddenly VFP saved the day on time. Congratulations!

Also I really wanna know what Llama's plan was if we actually did pull through and elim Ana and Ration? Did he just... Assume I'd be sus again? Or did he bet on me dying first.

[Bambi Jay]

Maybe now he'll try and solve which of you two I'm the scum team with?

[Bambi Jay]

I'm not even gonna hammer this, lol. I'll let Bingle do it.

Then I really wanna know what the plan was.

[Bambi Jay]

You sure? I want Bingle here for the finale.

[Bambi Jay]

Actually I guess that would be cruel since he's probably asleep now.

VOTE: Llama

Good game guys.

[Bambi Jay]

What, your doubting me

now?!?

A little late for that. Funny but a little late.

[Bambi Jay]

You already had a lover this entire time, now you want a waifu too? So greedy.

[Bambi Jay]

Bambi never plans. She acts.

[Bambi Jay]

Oh he was town. What a shock.

[Bambi Jay]

I was gonna go for style points by not hammering and letting Bingle do it so all 4 lovers did it instead of the mafia, but Tbone said to hurry it up so I obliged.

God that was heart wrenching at the end. Literally came down to the last hour.

[Bambi Jay]

It was understood perfectly well. Town literally just saw he was evil and he didn't even deny it that much.

Logic doesn't mean much when you roll a nat 1 in a charisma check. He just wasn't really trying to be a townie so Kerset and Tbone weren't gonna listen to him, logic be damned.

Didn't help when I even kept giving him a chance to try and find my scum team but he ignored it. I kept doing that cuz that's what the rest of the town wanted him to do. Actually try and solve.

[Bambi Jay]

To be fair, I did kinda vote myself without telling you to make that gambit more genuine with your reaction. My plan was either to die and basically confirm your town or get Llama immediately as your partner. Him turning it on you I didn't account for but afterwards I focused on having to convince the lovers it was true.

If Llama actually tried to solve the lovers and say, convinced Bingle and Kerset I was with Tbone and VFP, he probably would've gotten me killed.

[Bambi Jay]

Most interesting dead what ever.

[Bambi Jay]

And I was scum in both of them. Really makes you think, huh?

Invite me for the trilogy if you run another version.