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Post Post #27 (isolation #0) » Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:22 am

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Never played without default daytalk before. Let’s nip them in the bud before they can coordinate. VOTE: T3
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Post Post #37 (isolation #1) » Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:36 pm

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In post 28, Roden wrote:
In post 20, T3 wrote:By the way, I think I should claim here. I'm an Informed Miller.
This is only my second game, so I had to look up what this is. Interesting role tbh. I guess the only way to verify this would be if a Gunsmith checked you?

Also, I'm assuming you need to save this information for later. Otherwise you'd just tell us.

UNVOTE: T3

VOTE: Rannygazoo since he voted for an (alleged) Informed Miller.
Bold of you to assume I read RVS

VOTE: excallq
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Post Post #38 (isolation #2) » Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:37 pm

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In post 29, Jake The Wolfie wrote:Unrelated note: Do not harrass the Mafia, as they are a Minority. Instead, harrass the town.

This post was inspired by rule 4
Hmm, yes, very wise
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Post Post #43 (isolation #3) » Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:40 pm

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Is this scummy self-awareness too?
In post 24, excallq wrote:I am posting because it will look suspicious if I don't.

I mean hello everyone.
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Post Post #50 (isolation #4) » Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:04 pm

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In post 45, bugspray wrote:
In post 43, Rannygazoo wrote:Is this scummy self-awareness too?
In post 24, excallq wrote:I am posting because it will look suspicious if I don't.

I mean hello everyone.
thats clearly ironic and you're scum for trying to deflect off your partner
Your case is paper-thin and your deflection is pathetic. Your bloodline will not survive the winter.
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Post Post #67 (isolation #5) » Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:18 am

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On the contrary, if you think about it for a moment, I think you’ll agree that it makes sense to pay more attention to the stuff that’s posted after my first post.
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Post Post #75 (isolation #6) » Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:03 pm

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In post 68, Roden wrote:That's true for any alignment lol. It's the fact that you said you weren't paying attention even though you clearly were is what feels off to me.
Explain how I clearly was. I think my shift from being in the game to not being in the game is pretty clear.

Titus has played with me before and she can confirm that I don’t always read carefully in the beginning. Or maybe she doesn’t pay that much attention to my play, I dunno.
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Post Post #76 (isolation #7) » Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:04 pm

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In post 69, T3 wrote:I lowkey don't like ramy or rodens shading of each other.
Am I shading Roden? I feel like I’m just trying address their doubts about me while assuming good faith.
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Post Post #77 (isolation #8) » Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:08 pm

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Like, I feel like it’s too early to guess someone’s motive. The only player I think I’ve shaded is the one my vote is on. Oh, and I called someone’s bloodline weak.
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Post Post #91 (isolation #9) » Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:35 pm

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In post 86, T3 wrote:
In post 24, excallq wrote:I am posting because it will look suspicious if I don't.

I mean hello everyone.
This looked pretty clearly like a joke to me.
Of all the things I saw, 24 was the most scum-indicative. It looked like nervous scum who didn’t know what to say. Joking to alleviate the nervousness is a tactic.

However, the fact that cw agrees with me makes me rethink it. I was in cw’s last game and I have some thoughts about it, but I’ll keep them to myself for as long as they remain irrelevant to finding scum in this game.
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Post Post #92 (isolation #10) » Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:41 pm

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Setup analysis time

@DGB you’re pretty old. Does ‘miller who was informed that there’s a macho 2-shot cop’ make sense from a balance perspective?
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Post Post #93 (isolation #11) » Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:45 pm

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I mean, site meta is that millers claim ASAP, so the mods and reviewers must have known that an informed miller would share immediately, if what T3 says is true
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Post Post #151 (isolation #12) » Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:08 am

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I kind of don’t see it? DGB suggested a policy elim to simplify the game when there was nothing else to go on, and there’s still nothing else to go on. I’m waiting for something else to happen.
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Post Post #194 (isolation #13) » Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:03 pm

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In post 192, Jessica Rabbit wrote:
In post 190, Umlaut wrote:
cw357 and Jessica Rabbit were prodded.
Here now. Is future RQS guy getting replaced?
I s2g if he comes back and prodges again I’m making him the policy elim
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Post Post #195 (isolation #14) » Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:05 pm

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In post 120, Titus wrote:Ugh I hate we're still in RVS.

Vote me if you have to.
Ok I’m going to take the bait here. VOTE: Titus
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Post Post #196 (isolation #15) » Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:07 pm

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No wait let’s see if this goes anywhere
VOTE: Excallq
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Post Post #224 (isolation #16) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:54 pm

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You’re just making stuff up. Out you go. VOTE: Roden
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Post Post #227 (isolation #17) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:10 pm

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In post 223, Roden wrote:agrees that a policy elim on a town player sounds like a good idea.
1) I never said that. Get your eyes checked or stop lying, whichever it is.

2) How do you know T3 is town? Do you know something you’re not sharing? You were super sensitive about it in too.
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Post Post #230 (isolation #18) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:41 pm

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Yes, I told DGB to do that in the mafia/traitor pt
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Post Post #233 (isolation #19) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:56 pm

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You want something clarified? I thought you just wanted to spout nonsense.
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Post Post #235 (isolation #20) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:00 pm

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In post 228, Roden wrote:
In post 151, Rannygazoo wrote:I kind of don’t see it? DGB suggested a policy elim to simplify the game when there was nothing else to go on, and there’s still nothing else to go on. I’m waiting for something else to happen.
This was in response to multiple people suggesting that DGB was acting anti-town and was possibly a Traitor. This certainly isn't a neutral stance from you, so are you saying you disagree with DGB?

You're welcome to quote where I said I know T3 is town. You shouldn't need to put words in my mouth if you're in the right, so support your claim with some evidence.
Sorry, I overlooked this post. You said DGB was pushing a “town policy elim”, implying that T3 is confirmed town to you.

I never agreed with DGB that a policy elim on a Miller claim is a good idea. I just meant that can’t blame him for trying when there’s nothing else going on.

Now I understand what Titus meant with the bait post. There weren’t any good leads, but we have to elim someone.
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Post Post #237 (isolation #21) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:02 pm

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In post 120, Titus wrote:Ugh I hate we're still in RVS.

Vote me if you have to.
For the record I think Titus is town. At first I thought this was a gambit, but now I see that she was offering to help since she’s too busy to play at the moment.
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Post Post #238 (isolation #22) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:05 pm

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In post 236, Roden wrote:
In post 233, Rannygazoo wrote:You want something clarified? I thought you just wanted to spout nonsense.
:roll:

This doesn't help either of us if you're town. Build a case against me if you think I'm scum instead just posting ad hominem.
Wrong, this post will solve the game. Just you wait.
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Post Post #239 (isolation #23) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:07 pm

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Post Post #244 (isolation #24) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 3:12 pm

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In post 243, T3 wrote:Anti town != scum
How do you tell the difference on day 1?
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Post Post #247 (isolation #25) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 3:34 pm

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In post 240, Roden wrote:I have very little reason not to believe the Miller claim, but it isn't confirmed to me. I don't think I can confirm that with any role Day 1 unless I'm scum. (If I'm wrong, someone correct me. I suppose you could argue I'm Informed but that would be weird to be Informed about an Informed role.)
You were acting like the miller claim was above reproach. With very few exceptions, only scum knows who is town at this point.
Which, if I am scum, I should have no problem with voting T3 out. If I'm scum then I just sheep DGB and push the policy vote. I don't fight it.
You can't imaginary self meta yourself out of this. Scum will push to elim some slots and buddy other slots and generally try to blend in. They don't try to elim everyone indiscriminately. I see no reason why you and T3 can't be scum partners.
Even with limited experience, I don't think agreeing with a policy elim on a Miller Day 1 is a pro town move. Even if nothing else is going on. It's hard to believe we can't make even a single scum squirm Day 1 with thirteen players and ten days to poke at people.
I can't speak for DGB, but in general, a vote with an explanation is not an attempt to end the day.
It's implied that you were fine with it since you didn't disagree and your post wasn't neutral about it. If you do disagree with it, why are both of you immediately jumping on me when I bring it up? Why aren't you questioning DGB when you're the one who wanted his speculation take on the set up? That's what feels off to me.
Why should I be obligated to fuss over it? DGB got into that mess partly because of my question. I didn't have anything else to add. I didn't think it was scummy either.

I don't think I'm "immediately jumping on you". I think I've been patient.

The accusations as DGB being traitor are just hot air as far as I'm concerned. DGB said some things that can be intrepreted as antitown, and someone was like "that's so bad that DGB must be signalling to scum". It's just far-fetched.

However, I do see how DGB's last vote plays into your theory. If DGB is mafia or traitor, then by associating with me, it can clear itself if I'm eliminated and you see I'm town. I'm probably just being paranoid, though.
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Post Post #283 (isolation #26) » Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:42 am

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No.

VOTE: cw
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Post Post #284 (isolation #27) » Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:47 am

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Cw was prodded
six times
in our last game.

Cw, it's okay if you don't want to play right now. Just leave and join another game later. You don't have to do this and you're dragging down your team (scum, by looks of it) by half-assing it.
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Post Post #286 (isolation #28) » Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:52 am

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In post 258, Jessica Rabbit wrote:I like egix, jake and vfp the most rn. I didn’t really like DGB’s wanted to lim T3 based on the miller claim. You should only lim a miller claim for the same reasons as anyone else - because you actually think they’re scum and it seemed to me that DGB’s sole reason for pushing T3 was the claim. If she gave other reasons for this, I don’t recall.
Can you explain these TRs?
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Post Post #291 (isolation #29) » Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:43 am

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In post 289, Egix96 wrote:
In post 284, Rannygazoo wrote:Cw was prodded six times in our last game.
How does that even happen... I thought it was a three-strike system?
It was a newbie game and the mod was focused on retaining new players. (And maybe the mod didn't want to bring anyone new into such a miserable game.)

You can already see the pattern with cw: apologize for being inactive, post something that proves he's not following, bounce, repeat. Just eliminate the slot.
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Post Post #292 (isolation #30) » Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:44 am

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I don't see any reason there can only be one miller.
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Post Post #318 (isolation #31) » Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:02 pm

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In post 317, Titus wrote:I like Jessica Rabbit as town.
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Post Post #319 (isolation #32) » Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:05 pm

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In post 296, DrippingGoofball wrote:My question to everyone is,

Is Jake tunneling or is it a fake scum case?
I would say tunneling. The traitor discourse started when Jake was wondering if T3's alleged cop could be a mafia cop. It seemed to spiral out of control from there.

Jessica Rabbit's reads look like they're for appearance's sake.
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Post Post #321 (isolation #33) » Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:16 pm

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Saying you won't trust my reads and then asking for my reads? Really makes you think.
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Post Post #323 (isolation #34) » Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:24 pm

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In post 310, Jessica Rabbit wrote:
In post 286, Rannygazoo wrote:
In post 258, Jessica Rabbit wrote:I like egix, jake and vfp the most rn.
Can you explain these TRs?
They all seem to be trying to solve and making logical and nuanced reads. That usually comes from town.
I guess I wanted to see reasons to townread them backed up by evidence, not a vague statement you could say about anyone. These are such boring, uncontroversial townreads on players who aren't really on my radar. VFP is the dophin, right? Who is egix?
In post 309, Jessica Rabbit wrote:They’re reads/votes in this game are objectively horrible. They want to lim T3 solely based on miller claim. T3 trs you based on meta and dgb just dismisses that. Town looks for reasons to make townreads and dgb just quashes that without any good reason.
This feels like bandwagonning. It feels like you're trying to make it looks like you have opinions without having them stand out.
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Post Post #324 (isolation #35) » Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:25 pm

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To add to ^, I'm townreading most of the active players, so by PoE, scum must be among the players that I don't notice as much.
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Post Post #326 (isolation #36) » Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:33 pm

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I don't agree with it, but it didn't feel scummy, or even inappropriate for that stage of the game.
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Post Post #328 (isolation #37) » Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:36 pm

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Instead just saying "I like their posts", can you point to specific things they said that are town-indicative? I want townreads too. Convince me that yours are right.
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Post Post #330 (isolation #38) » Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:41 pm

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In post 329, Jessica Rabbit wrote: So who do you think is scum? Who do you think I’m wrong on? Let’s start with that.
I don't have a well-formed opinion on VFP or egix and I find it weird that you do.

I think cw is scum, and then the other two are you and one of VFP or egix. Probably egix since VFP is voting for cw. There, that's my day 1 solve. The game's still young and things can change, but if it turns out I'm right, I will definitely remember.
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Post Post #333 (isolation #39) » Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:50 pm

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My egix read is literally only based on scum!JR wanting to put a single scum in her townreads list. It is not based on anything else.
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Post Post #334 (isolation #40) » Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:52 pm

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In post 331, Jessica Rabbit wrote:
In post 328, Rannygazoo wrote:Instead just saying "I like their posts", can you point to specific things they said that are town-indicative? I want townreads too. Convince me that yours are right.
It’s my current take. I also lean to believing the miller claim. I’m not going to try to convince anyone of anything because the only thing I’m 100% sure of is of course me. I currently think this so rn don’t see any reason to question it unless you think there’s something I’m not seeing. Without flips, I’m in the dark. If you’re expecting any extremely confident reads today, then you will be sorely disappointed.
Noted that there's absolutely nothing behind your townreads.
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Post Post #338 (isolation #41) » Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:12 pm

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In post 336, Jessica Rabbit wrote:Ranny, did cw flip scum in that game?
No, he was brought to the end and cast the losing vote. You can thank me for not ranting more about that game. But his behavior at the beginning was different. He was active and interested before dropping off and getting prodded 6 times. He wasn't cagey "but I'm on mobile" with all his answers.
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Post Post #339 (isolation #42) » Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:13 pm

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In post 337, Jessica Rabbit wrote:
In post 333, Rannygazoo wrote:My egix read is literally only based on scum!JR wanting to put a single scum in her townreads list. It is not based on anything else.
I’m the only JR on this playerlist and I’m definitely not scum. So unless you’re referring to something else, that doesn’t help me at all.
You're the one who put egix in your townreads! Why do you need my help to justify it?
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Post Post #354 (isolation #43) » Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:50 am

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You’re not a town player. You’re flailing because you’re caught.

The 3rd post you’re taking out of context is in reference to T3, not you.
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Post Post #363 (isolation #44) » Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:55 am

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In post 361, Roden wrote:I don't think scum has a private thread in this game. That's what I assume no default day talk means, unless that refers to something else?
No default daytalk-- could be an enabler or some shenanigans
In post 362, Egix96 wrote:
In post 353, cw357 wrote:oh shit this is a closed setup
What does that have to do with anything?
My guess is he almost slipped something about the scum team that isn't common knowledge
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Post Post #378 (isolation #45) » Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:01 pm

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In post 363, Rannygazoo wrote:
In post 362, Egix96 wrote:
In post 353, cw357 wrote:oh shit this is a closed setup
What does that have to do with anything?
My guess is he almost slipped something about the scum team that isn't common knowledge
Guess #2: it means it was harder to pick something to fake claim.

Is that even a Normal modifier?
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Post Post #384 (isolation #46) » Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:27 pm

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VOTE: Bugspray
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Post Post #401 (isolation #47) » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:28 am

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In post 398, Jake The Wolfie wrote:How would a Doctor be helpful if T3 is town?
Cw can heal T3 and vig can shoot T3 to verify town alignment

Of course, T3 just dies if cw is lying or is roleblocked

There’s your daily does of IIOA
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Post Post #432 (isolation #48) » Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:18 am

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In post 424, Roden wrote:
In post 415, cw357 wrote:
In post 395, Roden wrote:Also, we only have three days left and the wagons all feel like they're losing steam. Are we looking at pursuing a wagon against one of DGB, Ranny, Excallq,
or myself
? Or is there interest on someone else?
uhhhhhhh
It's because we're the only ones with votes atm. It seems like no one wants to draw attention and heavily push one of these potential wagons over another.
I feel like I could make a case against bugthey but y’all are probably tired of me after cw.

Do you want to hear it, though?
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Post Post #439 (isolation #49) » Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:54 pm

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In post 435, Roden wrote:
In post 432, Rannygazoo wrote:
In post 424, Roden wrote:
In post 415, cw357 wrote:
In post 395, Roden wrote:Also, we only have three days left and the wagons all feel like they're losing steam. Are we looking at pursuing a wagon against one of DGB, Ranny, Excallq,
or myself
? Or is there interest on someone else?
uhhhhhhh
It's because we're the only ones with votes atm. It seems like no one wants to draw attention and heavily push one of these potential wagons over another.
I feel like I could make a case against bugthey but y’all are probably tired of me after cw.

Do you want to hear it, though?
It can't hurt, so I don't see why not.
I’ll ISO dive later, but the short answer is they were hyperagressive to begin with and then dropped off once someone (DGB) picked up heat. This feels like a scum mindset— as long as the attention is on someone else, they can coast.
In post 438, DrippingGoofball wrote:I am digging cw's recent posting streak.
+1
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Post Post #441 (isolation #50) » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:10 pm

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That’s me, perpetual exasperated townie
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Post Post #452 (isolation #51) » Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:26 pm

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Shut the up
VOTE: excallq

*checks rules to see if I’m allowed to say that*
Unclear
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Post Post #459 (isolation #52) » Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:35 pm

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In post 455, excallq wrote:
In post 452, Rannygazoo wrote:Shut the up
VOTE: excallq

*checks rules to see if I’m allowed to say that*
Unclear
Well if it's allowed then presumably "eat a" is also allowed, but if you want me to stop calling out your scum buddy you can just say that.
Ok, joking aside, your reads look super fabricated right now and you’re only making it worse. Maybe take a step back and think about how to fix it.
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Post Post #462 (isolation #53) » Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:39 pm

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Personally I don’t think pre-flip associations are very useful. Considering that your case against me was weak to begin with, your case against everyone you try to pin to me is even weaker.
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Post Post #469 (isolation #54) » Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:02 pm

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@excallq how about this: if I were out of the picture and my slot never existed, who would your biggest scumread be?
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Post Post #476 (isolation #55) » Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:12 pm

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In post 472, excallq wrote:
In post 468, Jessica Rabbit wrote: How is it “borderline abusive”?
Fucking read your post back. It's rude as shit and your inability to understand "I think you are feigning being pro-town" as a read is absurd.
It’s okay, you’re okay, deep breaths, don’t escalate
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Post Post #479 (isolation #56) » Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:13 pm

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In post 475, Titus wrote:
In post 422, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
In post 401, Rannygazoo wrote:
In post 398, Jake The Wolfie wrote:How would a Doctor be helpful if T3 is town?
Cw can heal T3 and vig can shoot T3 to verify town alignment

Of course, T3 just dies if cw is lying or is roleblocked

There’s your daily does of IIOA
And why would we assume there is a vigilante?
This is just filled with holes.
I agree here.
I’m not assuming there is a vig. It’s just a possibility. Cw brought up the strategy when he claimed.
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Post Post #484 (isolation #57) » Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:21 pm

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In post 471, excallq wrote:
In post 469, Rannygazoo wrote:@excallq how about this: if I were out of the picture and my slot never existed, who would your biggest scumread be?
Are we assuming your disappearance means that your exchange with Roden didn't happen? If so probably CW. I am abundantly skeptical of his roleclaim, (though I would absolutely not push for a day 1 vote of him). Otherwise Roden.
This makes me feel better about voting you. It’s prudent to keep in mind that the role claim may be false, but keeping a town loyal doctor as elim bait is definitely scum agenda.
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Post Post #487 (isolation #58) » Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:23 pm

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In post 483, Titus wrote:
In post 454, T3 wrote:VOTE: DGB
Cadtsting doubt on the ce claim for no reason.
VOTE: T3

There's no real scum motivation for shading an outed doctor claim, while honestly assessing his content. If DGB is believable that she might vote cw at some point, then it could keep a doctor alive. If she's right, she undermines scum credibility.

If DGB is scum, why shade a town cw with a short shelf life? They could just kill it and no one is the wiser. If it's scum, why attack her teammates credibility which only shortens the lifespan?

You could argue wifom but attacking an outed doctor claim rarely comes from scum.
Is “she” canon?

Someone else— I forget who right now— explained that a doctor is not a priority kill right now if there’s a macho cop in play.
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Post Post #490 (isolation #59) » Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:25 pm

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In post 485, excallq wrote:
In post 480, Jessica Rabbit wrote:
In post 471, excallq wrote:
In post 469, Rannygazoo wrote:@excallq how about this: if I were out of the picture and my slot never existed, who would your biggest scumread be?
Are we assuming your disappearance means that your exchange with Roden didn't happen? If so probably CW. I am abundantly skeptical of his roleclaim, (though I would absolutely not push for a day 1 vote of him). Otherwise Roden.
Why are you skeptical of his roleclaim? It’s seems a weird thing to fakeclaim. Why doesn’t he just claim straight up doc?
Because it looks way less fishy when he doesn't die night one.
I don’t follow this. A loyal doctor is strictly better than a doctor.
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Post Post #494 (isolation #60) » Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:29 pm

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Well, only scum and/or T3 (and the cop, if it exists) knows if the claim is true. If I were scum and I knew that I could kill a cop once I found it and nothing could stop me, I would hunt for it.
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Post Post #495 (isolation #61) » Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:30 pm

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I respect leaving if you’re not having a good time but I don’t respect the insults.

I suspect that may be a defense replace out, because that was a bit too much.
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Post Post #499 (isolation #62) » Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:41 pm

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Why unvote? Is the slot town now?
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Post Post #521 (isolation #63) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:56 am

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In post 517, Titus wrote:It feels like excalq just summed out rather than be eliminated. It makes me feel the slot is town but gives me a salty taste about it as town reading the slot encourages that behavior and its OOG.
Lucky for me, I don’t know what any of this means. I still think the slot is scum.
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Post Post #616 (isolation #64) » Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:00 pm

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In post 570, cw357 wrote:t3 if u want to vig jessica rabbit tonight ill do the town-doc
T3 never claimed vig. Are we going to talk about this?
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Post Post #617 (isolation #65) » Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:08 pm

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I don’t want the vig to out right away, if there is one, but this is really confusing.
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Post Post #618 (isolation #66) » Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:19 pm

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Can we make a pact right now to yet cw if he says he forgot to do a night action?
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Post Post #622 (isolation #67) » Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:51 pm

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In post 621, Roden wrote:And besides, CW did say he would protect her, if he's actually Loyal then she should've lived.
Not if he’s mafia loyal doctor.
In post 619, Titus wrote:I don't want the day to devolve into pacts and stuff. I want scumhunting. Scum can easily hide behind pacts. If we do yeet cw, I want clear accountability.
Would you say that a policy elim is never the right move? I think it can be. If someone does something so anti-town that everyone knows it shouldn’t be tolerated, and yet we let it slide, that means scum has a pass to act like that. I’m thinking scum!cw will want to see how long he can last by acting like an incompetent townie.
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Post Post #638 (isolation #68) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:22 am

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Well, that was a whole lot of nothing.
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Post Post #654 (isolation #69) » Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:32 pm

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I really don’t see what any of that has to do with a cop.
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Post Post #668 (isolation #70) » Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:28 am

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VOTE: ka
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Post Post #669 (isolation #71) » Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:30 am

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In post 658, geraintm wrote:
In post 634, Titus wrote:
In post 627, geraintm wrote:not much to say until everyone of interest says what happened....
Who is of interest?
CW
We’ll be waiting about 4 days for any word from that slot on what happened.
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Post Post #671 (isolation #72) » Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:48 am

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So maybe DGB is right? We flip T3 to see if there’s a macho 2-shot cop?
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Post Post #674 (isolation #73) » Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:37 am

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Sorry, I’m not pro enough to put the informed miller claim completely out of my mind while considering my vote.

The flip would tell us whether or not to believe a cop claim d3.
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Post Post #681 (isolation #74) » Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:45 am

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In post 676, KidAmn wrote:My pool right now would be T3, Ranny, Roden, geraint.
CW needs to pipe up before we go anywhere today though, I think.
It’s obvious that I’d be first on the list if not for people think it’s OMGUS <3
In post 678, KidAmn wrote:
In post 677, Jake The Wolfie wrote:I think I missed something.

Why do we need Sir CW to comment?
Because a claimed doc
a) survived
b) kept talking about a vig
c) hasn't said anything yet today
4) (and this is important) his announced doctor target was killed
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Post Post #682 (isolation #75) » Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:58 am

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In post 676, KidAmn wrote:
flip flop, your posting is plop

From brushing off first half of my catchup as nothing, to going against Roden's laughable cop fish claim, to a naked vote on me (I assume? Have the courtesy to use my name, please.) Your "case" on my predecessor was laughable and this is non-existent, so if it's a joke I hope the punchline is excellent.
Bro. What is this even?

Your first spoiler wall was
a lot
of words to just say “bruh”.

Then it’s sinful for me to point out that Roden’s accusation of cop-fishing is weak, but it’s divine when you point it out?

Your second spoiler wall was better, not in terms of providing true and accurate content to town, but in terms of helping us get a read on you. I judge thee guilty.

And no offense, but I can’t even spell your name, KidAdmin.
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Post Post #736 (isolation #76) » Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:36 am

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I can go the rest of the game assuming Roden is town.
In post 735, geraintm wrote:@titus why do you think I am scum? I've not worked outbwhat the case is against me yet
There’s no reason to think you’re not. You haven’t really contributed to scum hunting.
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Post Post #740 (isolation #77) » Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:56 am

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In post 737, Titus wrote:@Ranny, don't answer for me.
If my answer could have prevented you from giving your own answer, you’re more delicate than I had thought.
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Post Post #746 (isolation #78) » Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:50 pm

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I’d put it at 80%

I played a game with this guy, remember

@umlaut thank you, and don’t reverse this time
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Post Post #747 (isolation #79) » Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:51 pm

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What I find puzzling, and I don’t know if cw’s slot will help me figure this out, is why someone would attack the target that a doctor called.
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Post Post #749 (isolation #80) » Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:55 pm

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Seems like a pointless way to expose that you have a roleblocker.
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Post Post #753 (isolation #81) » Fri Jun 18, 2021 4:03 pm

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It’s NAI. He was like this as town too.
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Post Post #754 (isolation #82) » Fri Jun 18, 2021 4:27 pm

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Wait a sec. The wiki says that a single doctor can’t save a target from multiple attacks. So if a doc and a vig targeted JR, then mafia could kill her. That would cause confusion (at least to me) and it would let the mafia confirm there’s only one doctor, while obscuring what happened at night to town.

Is it worth it over targeting the doctor or vig, though?
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Post Post #780 (isolation #83) » Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:02 pm

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In post 779, Egix96 wrote:
In post 776, T3 wrote:I think Roden is town.
Sigh yeah you're probably right.

VOTE: Kidamn

But if this vote flips town, I will not be happy.
Surprised to see you change your mind so easily. I checked the votes of everyone voting Roden and you have the best reasons for it. (You were the only one to have a reason.)
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Post Post #792 (isolation #84) » Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:20 am

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The vig/doctor target could be bulletproof scum.

I also can’t imagine how they would have landed on the same target unless it’s JR.
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Post Post #794 (isolation #85) » Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:28 am

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Fine, who do you think a vig would have targeted?
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Post Post #796 (isolation #86) » Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:35 am

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X-shot strongman makes a lot of sense. Using it on the called doctor target makes sure the ability isn’t wasted.
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Post Post #809 (isolation #87) » Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:17 pm

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lol

lmao
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Post Post #810 (isolation #88) » Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:18 pm

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Would it be okay to ask umlaut to pause the night timer until cw is replaced?
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Post Post #821 (isolation #89) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:10 pm

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Beneficial for which faction?

The expiration date on your informed miller claim is up.
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Post Post #822 (isolation #90) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:12 pm

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In post 787, Jake The Wolfie wrote:For reasons I can't quite say now, I'm going to
FoS KidAnn
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Explain this.
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Post Post #823 (isolation #91) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:16 pm

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That night kill was predictable. In coordination with DGB, we’re denied information about what the doctor did night 1. That was more than just a random mistake on DGB’s part.

I’m not saying mass claim, but a vig or watcher needs to speak now or forever hold their peace.
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Post Post #828 (isolation #92) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:33 pm

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In post 825, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
In post 822, Rannygazoo wrote:
In post 787, Jake The Wolfie wrote:For reasons I can't quite say now, I'm going to
FoS KidAnn
.
Explain this.
My particular role would have made it unlikely that KidAnn was a neighbor.
KA's claim of having a neighbor is extremely puzzling. It's not in his role pm, so he must have been neighborized. Either that or he just came here to lie and act antitown.

Anyone else want to comment on the neighbor situation?

Jake, you were softing vig all of day 1. I can't wait to see what your hard role claim is.
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Post Post #830 (isolation #93) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:42 pm

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Masons + neighborizer isn't that unlikely. I've played in a game like that.
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Post Post #841 (isolation #94) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:56 pm

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There’s no reason for the cop to hold back now. If the cop is real, it’s either Titus or VFP.

After yesterday, I don’t even want to vote until everyone has said what they need to.
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Post Post #859 (isolation #95) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:23 am

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Agreed with Roden.

Here's one way day 3 might have gone: scum!T3 realizes his day 1 gambit has come to an end, so he gets a scum buddy to fake claim cop in order to give them both credibility. I didn't put this out there because I didn't want to discourage anyone from claiming cop.

However, the only possibility left for a cop claim is Titus, and I don't think she's scum with T3 because of how she was pushing him day 1 and day 2. (I mean, maybe she is. I found her rationale for voting T3 to be unconvincing, and maybe that was on purpose. I just don't think it's likely.)

So I guess we just have to wait and see.

p-edit: welp, thanks for chiming in, Titus.
Intent to vote T3
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Post Post #860 (isolation #96) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:26 am

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I'll vote when everyone says what they need to say about their role claims.
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Post Post #864 (isolation #97) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:35 am

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Why are you telling T3 how to bail himself out?
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Post Post #880 (isolation #98) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:38 am

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In post 874, Roden wrote:
In post 565, Jake The Wolfie wrote:I am a mason vig with ranny, and I will 100% shoot him if you self-vote here.
Currently reading through ISOs. Was there any truth to this?
I disavow. Compare with:
In post 422, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
In post 401, Rannygazoo wrote:
In post 398, Jake The Wolfie wrote:How would a Doctor be helpful if T3 is town?
Cw can heal T3 and vig can shoot T3 to verify town alignment

Of course, T3 just dies if cw is lying or is roleblocked

There’s your daily does of IIOA
And why would we assume there is a vigilante?
This is just filled with holes.
Calling a short post "full of holes" (which describes someone after a vig gets to them) made it look like Jake was trying to get me to notice that he was softing vig.
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Post Post #882 (isolation #99) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:48 am

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In post 879, Titus wrote:If T3 is scum, I would expect at least one of Egix, VFP, and DGB to be scum. Maybe all 3 but that's moonlogic and unlikely.
I like this solve and I'm willing to commit to yeeting T3 today, but there are some loose ends we should tie up before we move on. Particularly, Jake's mysterious FoS in , and DGB's quick hammer.
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Post Post #883 (isolation #100) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:48 am

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In post 881, VFP wrote:I read that very different.
What was your interpretation?
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Post Post #887 (isolation #101) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:56 am

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To me, the wording reads like he doesn’t want the vig to be outed.

If that’s your interpretation, that explains why Jake wasn’t the kill on night 1.
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Post Post #888 (isolation #102) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:58 am

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In post 886, Roden wrote:
In post 877, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
In post 874, Roden wrote:
In post 565, Jake The Wolfie wrote:I am a mason vig with ranny, and I will 100% shoot him if you self-vote here.
Currently reading through ISOs. Was there any truth to this?
That has a truth score of about 7%
So something here is correct...? If you're a Mason, we have two clears. I promise you my role will narrow down the scum pool further, but I need to make sure nobody's claims contradict mine.
This is a little weird. Scum is motivated to wait and see what the claims are so they can make up something that fits they way they need it to. What’s the town motivation for waiting for others to claim?
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Post Post #892 (isolation #103) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:06 am

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If there’s a town neighborizer, they definitely would have neighborized someone night 2. Unless it’s odd nights only or something, but if their power is gated, I don’t know why they would neighborize KA and then waste him.

CW’s slot was the obvious kill, so I’m not going to buy it if someone claims that they neighborized there on night 2.
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Post Post #893 (isolation #104) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:08 am

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Hey, I just remembered something.
In post 631, Egix96 wrote:
In post 627, geraintm wrote:not much to say until everyone of interest says what happened....
We probably shouldn't yeet KA. That's my nugget of wisdom for today.
Why this and then the reversal at the end of day 2 without even a comment?
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Post Post #894 (isolation #105) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:10 am

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Egix, something you’re not telling us?
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Post Post #915 (isolation #106) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:49 pm

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Jfc
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Post Post #926 (isolation #107) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:29 pm

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Let’s let Egix address this before anyone else votes T3.
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Post Post #927 (isolation #108) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:32 pm

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In post 917, Jake The Wolfie wrote:I'm sorry KA, I thought you were lying, but as it turns out T3 was gambiting your life away.
What did you think KA was lying about?
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Post Post #929 (isolation #109) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:34 pm

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In post 912, T3 wrote:My plan was that if we ran scum up scum would fakeclaim to draw out the real cop but there wouldn't be one.
Even if this worked, how did you see it ending for you on day 3 when no one claimed macho 2-shot cop?
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Post Post #931 (isolation #110) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:39 pm

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I don’t have any reason to believe that Egix is a mason, but KA claimed to have a neighbor. If there’s a town neighborizer, we should know by now. Egix feels like the missing piece.

If there’s a scum neighborizer, they may want to lay low after what happened with KA.
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Post Post #932 (isolation #111) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:40 pm

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In post 631, Egix96 wrote:
In post 627, geraintm wrote:not much to say until everyone of interest says what happened....
We probably shouldn't yeet KA. That's my nugget of wisdom for today.
In post 779, Egix96 wrote:
In post 776, T3 wrote:I think Roden is town.
Sigh yeah you're probably right.

VOTE: Kidamn

But if this vote flips town, I will not be happy.
In post 785, Egix96 wrote:
In post 783, KidAmn wrote:I'm nothing special, apart from the fact I'm a neighbour with someone who should know better.
All you've done since your initial catch-up is responding to questions, so I really don't get the impression that you are being proactive here.

Have any of your thoughts changed since you did your catchup walls? I'm not really seeing any indication of that, and I find that concerning.
This progression stands out. Egix may want to say more about why he had high hopes for KA but then let them go.
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Post Post #933 (isolation #112) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:30 pm

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Here’s a wall on why I don’t believe T3, courtesy of searching “cop” in his iso. No, I won’t spoiler it.

T3 would have us believe that he was trying to bait scum into claiming macho 2-shot cop, at which point T3 would reveal that it was all a ruse and there was (likely, for all he knows) no such role, or maybe a real cop will swoop in and clarify things. So let’s look at how T3 actually uses his fake claim:
In post 126, T3 wrote:Flipping me doesn't tell us the alignment of the cop.
Self-preservation.
In post 132, T3 wrote:VOTE: DrippingGoofball
What possible reason do I have as scum to draw deliberate attention to myself by claiming miller. Also, if/when said macho 2-shot cop claims or dies then I will effectively be confirmed as town.
Yes, mods can be anti town. But just ignoring setup spec doesn't work.
Self-preservation. It looks like he wanted someone to play along and give him town cred.
In post 370, T3 wrote:If he claims pr that's not macho cop hammer this.
(In reference to cw being ran up, and before he claimed). This is just… anti-town. However, I will give T3 credit because it looks like he’s trying to provoke a cop claim.
In post 635, T3 wrote:
In post 631, Egix96 wrote:
In post 627, geraintm wrote:not much to say until everyone of interest says what happened....
We probably shouldn't yeet KA. That's my nugget of wisdom for today.
nice cop soft
This is also to T3’s credit, trying to provoke a cop claim from Egix, but boy is it weak.
In post 849, T3 wrote:I have a theory. Now I know the last time I said this we ended up limming the doctor but I have a theory.
All the other prs out today.
The cop claims vt,the outs tomorrow.
The next relevant thing is this, on day 3. This is the most damning thing IMO. At this moment, at the beginning of day 3 (and frankly, all of day 2 as well,) town!T3 NEEDS scum to take his bait, or else the gambit comes crashing down. Instead of demanding that the cop reveal, keeping town receptive to the possibility and making it a tempting choice for scum, he demands that
every other pr
claims, and asks that we kick the cop/T3 situation to the next day. This is the opposite of what someone should do, if their goal was to entrap scum as T3 said. This is what someone would do if their only goal is to stay in the game.
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Post Post #943 (isolation #113) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:32 pm

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Skimming Jake’s iso, he is a lot more willing to believe in neighbors today. It checks out.

Why were you looking for strongmen in particular? If it’s a mechanical thing, please tell us the full name of your role.
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Post Post #947 (isolation #114) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:43 pm

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Interesting.
In post 783, KidAmn wrote:I'm nothing special, apart from the fact I'm a neighbour with someone who should know better.
I wonder what this meant. Did KA know he had been strongman checked? Did he think it was a mistake to neighborize him?

I’m going to wait a bit before voting, but I feel like I’ve gotten everything out of this day that I am going to. Unless Roden or Jake want to tell us stuff they’ve been teasing.
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Post Post #949 (isolation #115) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:51 pm

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Scum!T3 self-hammers here to cut off Jake and Roden, and scum!VFP sets it up for him.
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Post Post #950 (isolation #116) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:54 pm

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@Titus @Jake @DGB please unvote if you can. I don’t think VFP is going to.
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Post Post #962 (isolation #117) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:19 pm

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If were loyal doctor, I might avoid DGB out of spite. I want that hammer punished and that slot sorted.

However, if Almost50 replaced in with a clear head and read the game carefully, they would see that they are the obvious scum target, and that DGB is the obvious vig target. So healing DGB is sensible, even if you won’t be able to communicate what you did.

Unfortunately, we can’t 100% rule out DGB being bulletproof scum.
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Post Post #964 (isolation #118) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:22 pm

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I mean, Almost50 had no chance of blocking the scum kill, because the kill was definitely going to be themselves.
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Post Post #967 (isolation #119) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:27 pm

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In post 963, geraintm wrote:Cstching up this morning, won't be able to post much else until tonight. Man this game is more full of dumb people than a bag of hammers....

I'm kinda trusting the JOAT claim, because not believing it will lead to town losing. I'm just going to trust it because it might make a solve possible.

More later
Not here to make friends, I see.
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Post Post #968 (isolation #120) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:30 pm

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In post 966, Roden wrote:If scum is BP and I happened to target the one BP scum, then I'm either unlucky or seriously just that bad. But does BP scum make sense with only one Vig? Especially a one shot Vig? That just seems heavily loaded against town if you also add a Loyal Doctor. The chances of this combination of events is already extremely low, but would that actually be included in a set up at all?
Ok, that’s a good point. BP to counter a single possible shot may not fit into a setup. I hope that players with more experience will weigh in.

I just want to believe that DGB’s hammer was a play and not a mistake.
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Post Post #969 (isolation #121) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:31 pm

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In post 954, Roden wrote:Sorry that I messed with you so much Day 1, my intention was that if you turned up guilty, my continued push on you would look natural, and if you came up innocent then scum would leave both of us alive to fight and draw focus.
No need to apologize, and well played.
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Post Post #991 (isolation #122) » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:16 am

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In post 989, Titus wrote:
In post 984, T3 wrote:True :/
So we have a
JOAT
Vig Masons
Vig Masons
And Neghborizer as the pr claims
Can we just hurry up and lim this? I'm tired of seeing this nonsense. Vigilante Masons would never be included as that would almost always make town more powerful than scum.
Seems like as good of a place to end as any. VOTE: T3
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Post Post #998 (isolation #123) » Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:04 am

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It’s ELo so be very cautious in your votes.

I’m pretty demoralized with the losses we’ve been taking. I’m going to propose that everyone take one good post to complain and insult the town, and then move on with it. Just let it all out, get it behind you, and then let’s focus on winning.

Gerantim has already gone several times. Here’s mine: with townies sabotaging the game like this, scum doesn’t even need to do anything. This is how planes crash. Not one thing going wrong, but a bunch of things going wrong at once, with no one able to do their job and set the course straight. I want to learn from this game, but I don’t know what lesson to take away from this, except town is bad sometimes and there’s nothing I can do about it.
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Post Post #999 (isolation #124) » Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:07 am

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Part of me wants to trust Roden’s mechanical clear of DGB, and another part of me wants to yeet DGB for sabotaging town’s information in a way scum normally only wishes they could.
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Post Post #1009 (isolation #125) » Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:42 am

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In post 1001, Titus wrote:
In post 997, DrippingGoofball wrote:We know we are dealing with a scumteam that's good arms steering/herding the town into yeeting its own.
I'm not sure. Two of the three eliminations were town imploding.
Not three out of three?
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Post Post #1010 (isolation #126) » Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:43 am

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In post 1000, Jake The Wolfie wrote:Ranny, we have some amazing news for you.

Over the course of last night, Me, Egix, and VFP (in seperate but now the same) chat have pretty much solved the game.

I will reveal that I am a Town Mason with VFP, and with the added knowledge that Egix is probably town, that means that the scum can only be Titus, DGB, and Geraintm. All 3 of us have agreed to axe Geraintm today.
Looks good at a glance but Titus is right, we should deliberate before voting. I can’t give it my full attention at the moment.
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Post Post #1012 (isolation #127) » Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:51 am

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In post 1011, Titus wrote:
In post 1009, Rannygazoo wrote:
In post 1001, Titus wrote:
In post 997, DrippingGoofball wrote:We know we are dealing with a scumteam that's good arms steering/herding the town into yeeting its own.
I'm not sure. Two of the three eliminations were town imploding.
Not three out of three?
I feel KidAmn was rushed but not necessarily him imploding.
The quickhammer from town!DGB doesn’t count as town imploding?
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Post Post #1014 (isolation #128) » Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:57 am

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I said before that masons + town neighborizer could happen, because I was in a game like that.

I’m worried that the alleged setup here might be *too* similar to that game from November. Can I get some honest opinions on what game review would say about that? viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85010
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Post Post #1017 (isolation #129) » Sat Jun 26, 2021 8:19 am

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In post 1016, Titus wrote:@Ranny, what if all 3 of them are just scum?
It’s hard to believe they’re all town, given we haven’t seen any scum power except strongman. All 3 is a possibility.

The masons would be easier to believe if they both softed day 1. Scum probably doesn’t have day talk so it would be hard for scum to coordinate a claim like that.
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Post Post #1019 (isolation #130) » Sat Jun 26, 2021 8:31 am

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In post 1, Umlaut wrote:No default daytalk or multitasking.
There could be an enabler, though. Trying to townslip?
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Post Post #1027 (isolation #131) » Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:00 am

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Fun…

Either it’s a mod error not to lock it, or VFP is a scum day talk enabled who enables any PTs he’s in.
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Post Post #1028 (isolation #132) » Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:24 am

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Which would be an enormous mistake on Jake’s part, if scum!jake told town!egix to add VFP to the neighborhood.
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Post Post #1030 (isolation #133) » Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:41 am

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In post 990, VFP wrote:T3 knows my thoughts on masons with abilities from previous games so to be posting this is just weird.
Putting on my thinking cap here
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Post Post #1047 (isolation #134) » Sat Jun 26, 2021 2:52 pm

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In post 1032, Titus wrote:VOTE: VFP

I don't see how 990 and vfp being a mason encryptor ever reconcile.
???
Let them post first?
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Post Post #1054 (isolation #135) » Sat Jun 26, 2021 4:39 pm

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Egix, why did you neighborize VFP? Whose idea was it, and how much did you discuss it?
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Post Post #1056 (isolation #136) » Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:13 pm

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For the record, Jake is claiming it on behalf of VFP. We’re still waiting for VFP to post today.
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Post Post #1068 (isolation #137) » Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:41 pm

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VFP, did you ever crumb?
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Post Post #1079 (isolation #138) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:20 am

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It’s hard for scum to coordinate three quick votes without day talk, but it would appear that Titus and VFP have opposite alignments.

If VFP is scum encryptor, then they do have day talk, but then of course they won’t be voting VFP.
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Post Post #1092 (isolation #139) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:27 am

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DBG and Gera both feel too dumb to be scum.

I'm confirmed town, y'all.
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Post Post #1094 (isolation #140) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:31 am

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In post 1070, VFP wrote:
In post 1068, Rannygazoo wrote:VFP, did you ever crumb?
I kept posting that Jake is town as my crumb. But more as shutting down if I felt a push was there.
Last time I was Mason my crumb was seen day 1 by scum so I didn't want to do that.
In post 57, VFP wrote:So far in the VFP block
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Is that the best you've got? Third from the top?
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Post Post #1096 (isolation #141) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:36 am

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Why is important?

I just want to be convinced that the mason claim wasn't decided halfway through the game.
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Post Post #1098 (isolation #142) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:55 am

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In that game, scum caught you because you were acting weird. No other reason. viewtopic.php?p=12763845#p12763845

Looks like the mod gave up before unlocking the pts, so, nothing I can do there.
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Post Post #1107 (isolation #143) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:52 pm

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If you’re wrong we lose the game?
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Post Post #1110 (isolation #144) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:24 pm

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Scum is doing so well that they can choose whether or not to bus. Even if we elim right today, we haven't solved the game.
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Post Post #1111 (isolation #145) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:16 pm

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In post 1109, Titus wrote:I don't feel as secure on Egix scum.

Also, I'm pretty sure geratim is locktown given both "masons" are voting there.
Wait, so who does this leave as the 3rd scum in your solve? I'm confirmed town by Roden, DBG is almost confirmed town...
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Post Post #1112 (isolation #146) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:22 pm

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Has anyone played with A50? Do they tend to prefer logical plays or moonshot intuitive plays?
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Post Post #1128 (isolation #147) » Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:55 am

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We would have been better off if that happened.
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Post Post #1129 (isolation #148) » Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:58 am

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In post 1121, Titus wrote:
In post 1111, Rannygazoo wrote:
In post 1109, Titus wrote:I don't feel as secure on Egix scum.

Also, I'm pretty sure geratim is locktown given both "masons" are voting there.
Wait, so who does this leave as the 3rd scum in your solve? I'm confirmed town by Roden, DBG is almost confirmed town...
I'm not solving the game today. I was a little early to call g locktown but he's highly likely town. I am going for the obvious scum and going forward from there. Egix can be scum but I am not as certain. That does not mean I TR Egix.
I’m not asking you to pick one possibile final solve out of many, but I do ask that your partial solve be at least possible.

I don’t think the scum team is VFP, Jake, Egix. I don’t know why a scum neighborizer would pick
KidAmn and then (real or pretend) pick his buddies.
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Post Post #1130 (isolation #149) » Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:59 am

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And then slip that VFP is an encryptor.
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Post Post #1131 (isolation #150) » Tue Jun 29, 2021 6:01 am

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In post 1057, Egix96 wrote:
In post 1054, Rannygazoo wrote:Egix, why did you neighborize VFP? Whose idea was it, and how much did you discuss it?
Jake suggested targeting VFP so that scum couldn't sever the link between us by killing Jake.
Later on, Jake told me that they had discussed with VFP, and that they had agreed that I should target the latter.
Could Jake have been steering Egix away from a strongman?
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Post Post #1140 (isolation #151) » Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:31 am

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In post 1138, Egix96 wrote:I would've targeted Titus were it not for Jake's suggestion, so yeah, there is that.
That’s interesting. Did you tell Jake you were going to target Titus before he suggested that?

Another question:
In post 1023, Egix96 wrote:the power of my role lies in strongman-finding, not neighbour-making.
Why go along with neighborizing VFP and missing a chance to find the strongman?
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Post Post #1142 (isolation #152) » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:43 am

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VFP as mafia encryptor/Titus as strongman/Jake as goon is starting to look like how we win.
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Post Post #1148 (isolation #153) » Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:03 am

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In post 1145, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
In post 1142, Rannygazoo wrote:VFP as mafia encryptor/Titus as strongman/Jake as goon is starting to look like how we win.
Go ahead. Execute me and lose the fucking game. Execute me despite me softing in early Day 1 being a mason (which means I was always intending to claim mason, by the way) because apparently only Mafia claim masons.

Here's a thought: There is no strongman, and the Strongman Finder/Neighborizor is just a named Neighborizor, to throw us off about what the scum really have.
Here's another thought: VFP is an encryptor to act as a quasi miller that, when added to a neighborhood, will make them look suspicious.
So that post concerns you, but you're relatively unconcerned about Titus voting your mason buddy VFP.
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Post Post #1153 (isolation #154) » Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:00 pm

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We've seen:
Town loyal doctor
Town JOAT with four 1-shot abilities

Players have claimed:
Town Mason
Town Mason Encryptor
Town Combined Neighborizer/ Strongman Finder

That's too much town power. Either the mason pair or the neighborizer is lying.

Assuming they're not both lying, there's either {
Mason Encryptor
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Mason
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Mafia Neighborizer
} or {
Mafia Encryptor
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Unknown Scum
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Town Combined Neighborizer/ Strongman Finder
}.

I have to say, I think the latter sounds more fun as a setup. Masons don't really *need* day talk. They real power of masons is that they know a townie's role, and a townie knows their role. Scum benefit from day talk a lot more. Having a neighborhood with people you can't trust and who can't trust you isn't super useful, but being able to catch a strongman (1 out of 3 scum) is useful, and if one of the other two scum happens to alter the nature of the neighborhood, that makes it interesting.
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Post Post #1154 (isolation #155) » Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:02 pm

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In post 1150, Titus wrote:
In post 1142, Rannygazoo wrote:VFP as mafia encryptor/Titus as strongman/Jake as goon is starting to look like how we win.
Then we have Egix check me. It will show me as not a strongman.

Let's just wrap this up.
Come on, you know there's no universe in which the game gets to Day 5 with Egix alive.
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Post Post #1155 (isolation #156) » Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:04 pm

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In post 1082, Jake The Wolfie wrote:VOTE: Geraintm

I'm not convinced that the solve isn't Titus, DGB, geraintm.
Why don't you trust Roden's clear of DGB?
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Post Post #1158 (isolation #157) » Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:17 pm

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That’s what I said in .

I hate this pressure late game. If I had been better early game (or bad enough to get miselimmed), we wouldn’t be in this mess.
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Post Post #1160 (isolation #158) » Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:31 pm

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VFP gave excuses for not crumbing in and . VFP was masons with T3 in a different game and they were caught early. (VFP thinks it was because of the crumbing, but I think it was because of the play.) So VFP didn't want to crumb because T3 knows their convention.
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Post Post #1161 (isolation #159) » Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:33 pm

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That said, although Jake crumbed Mason, I don't think he ever crumbed that VFP was the other one. Perhaps it was left open so either scum partner can claim depending on how the early game went.
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Post Post #1163 (isolation #160) » Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:37 pm

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Strongman is the most likely explanation for Jessica Rabbit dying.

Thanks to DGB, we can't know for sure.
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Post Post #1169 (isolation #161) » Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:21 pm

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In post 1166, Titus wrote:
In post 1159, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1158, Rannygazoo wrote:That’s what I said in .

I hate this pressure late game. If I had been better early game (or bad enough to get miselimmed), we wouldn’t be in this mess.
Oh right.

I could see the masons being real and the neighborizer being scum due to the breadcrumb.

Did they BOTH breadcrumb?
Yes. They both did.
Lol not really
In post 1070, VFP wrote:
In post 1068, Rannygazoo wrote:VFP, did you ever crumb?
I kept posting that Jake is town as my crumb. But more as shutting down if I felt a push was there.
Last time I was Mason my crumb was seen day 1 by scum so I didn't want to do that.
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Post Post #1203 (isolation #162) » Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:32 am

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In post 1008, Jake The Wolfie wrote:I trust Egix, but fine. UNVOTE:
This doesn't square with me when it looks like it wasn't really Egix's idea.
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Post Post #1211 (isolation #163) » Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:12 pm

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DGB, do we hammer this?
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Post Post #1213 (isolation #164) » Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:32 pm

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I can't see myself getting more out of this day. Let's end or move the game along now. VOTE: VFP
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Post Post #1215 (isolation #165) » Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:56 pm

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It's small comfort that you're not quickhammering, but if I voted town, someone else will come along and do it before too long.

Take the time you need to make the right decision, but maybe do it before everyone gets on and yells at me.
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Post Post #1217 (isolation #166) » Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:11 pm

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I've decided you're town, so there's only 3 possibilities for the scum team.
[VFP, Jake, Titus]
[VFP, Jake, Gera]
[Egix, Titus, Gera]

Maybe [Egix, Titus, Gera] but I find that unlikely.

VFP never crumbed (no, putting Jake somewhere in your townreads doesn't count) and Jake never crumbed that VFP was the partner. Their claim feels weaker than Egix, who we know for a fact is neighborizer because KA was neighborized.
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Post Post #1218 (isolation #167) » Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:12 pm

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*Maybe [VFP, Jake, Egix] but I find that unlikely.

Proofreading is for cowards.
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Post Post #1219 (isolation #168) » Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:16 pm

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Ok, the 4 possible scum teams (in order as I see them from most likely to least likely):

1. [VFP, Jake, Titus]
2. [VFP, Jake, Gera]
3. [Egix, Titus, Gera]
4. [VFP, Jake, Egix]

You want me to unvote in case it's #3?
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Post Post #1220 (isolation #169) » Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:52 pm

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UNVOTE:
Let’s let VFP and Jake wrangle with the fact that DGB now must be town FTPOV
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Post Post #1221 (isolation #170) » Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:55 pm

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VOTE: VFP
Hold up

DGB, I need you to acknowledge that you know that it’s E-1 right now.
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Post Post #1223 (isolation #171) » Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:05 pm

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In post 1203, Rannygazoo wrote:
In post 1008, Jake The Wolfie wrote:I trust Egix, but fine. UNVOTE:
This doesn't square with me when it looks like it wasn't really Egix's idea.
In post 1204, Jake The Wolfie wrote:How so? It may not have come from Egix, but that doesn't mean that I don't trust them to be town.
Ok… then what did you mean
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Post Post #1225 (isolation #172) » Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:33 pm

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I will once I hear from DGB.
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Post Post #1226 (isolation #173) » Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:34 pm

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Considering day 2, they may just not know it was E-1. Let’s make sure.
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Post Post #1229 (isolation #174) » Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:02 pm

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Fine, let the game ferment for a little more
UNVOTE:
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Post Post #1244 (isolation #175) » Thu Jul 01, 2021 8:40 am

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In post 1240, DrippingGoofball wrote:Let's kill Egix then.
I can’t even with this. I don’t see how this makes any sense as the next move given the possible teams.

I’m moving house so you’re not going to see a lot of me from now on.

VOTE: VFP
V/LA until Sunday
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Post Post #1247 (isolation #176) » Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:11 am

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If you’re also aware that it’s E-1, then you know what that means.
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Post Post #1248 (isolation #177) » Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:30 am

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UNVOTE:
Egix, to help us decide between Titus and Gera if it comes to that, please tell us more about what Jake said when you suggested bringing Titus into the hood.

Ok, I’m out. You can sort the rest of the day out yourselves.
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Post Post #1291 (isolation #178) » Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:38 am

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In post 1279, Titus wrote:There's realistically only two scenarios in my mind at the moment.

I will say that Egix not checking me or Geratim is a scumclaim.
I’d just like to interject for a moment. This is Titus setting up to win in a 1v1 against Egix on day 6 when Egix checks her and finds a strongman. If that’s the play, then I’m dead tonight. Ciao. It’s been fun.

Having three town PRs fits better with the convention seen in other games. It also balances encryptor and strongman.

Titus is implicated more heavily by Jake swerving the strongman check on her. I think it’s NAI that Egix went along with it. He wants to be agreeable and cooperate with town.

I was worried about Gera acting hammy about not getting scum’s plan, but that’s no longer and issue.
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Post Post #1455 (isolation #179) » Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:44 pm

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In post 1420, Titus wrote:Ranny had horrible reads. If he wasn't conftown, he would likely have been in lylo for the misvote.

No way geratim's scum. The frame was too perfect.
Lol
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Post Post #1457 (isolation #180) » Tue Jul 06, 2021 1:11 pm

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There’s no way anyone can predict this at the time of setup, but due to poor communication from the doctor’s slot, it really did look like there was a strongman. It wasn’t just trying to outguess the mod.
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Post Post #1462 (isolation #181) » Tue Jul 06, 2021 2:18 pm

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The lesson is, do it again
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Post Post #1477 (isolation #182) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:39 pm

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In post 1471, T3 wrote:I will never understand my own gambit.
If there were a real cop: they claim when they have results, and their claim doesn’t match yours, so they look more credible when you reveal that it was a ruse. It makes you look suspicious, but maybe you think that backing up a cop is worth it?

If there’s not a real cop: well… you needed an exit strategy.
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Post Post #1486 (isolation #183) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:29 am

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Post Post #1487 (isolation #184) » Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:58 am

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Titus wrote: I think that town might just ignore that scumslip. Omg if they do.
I’m curious what that was in reference to?
In post 753, Rannygazoo wrote:It’s NAI. He was like this as town too.
I thought this post was the end for me because it looks like a scumslip. It looks like I have knowledge that cw is scum, which implies I’m on the team with him. I’m glad I was calm enough not to say anything, and it was a relief when cw flipped town.
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