Townstumps Mafia (Endgame)

[Moongrass]

Ego

[Moongrass]

VOTE: nsg

[Moongrass]

so NM be honest

if / when you're a stump, your very first post is going to be exiting the game, right

how could you call yourself a true troll if it wasn't

I think this is the best bet. I wouldn't expect the exit to be the first post, but an exit at some point would make town stump more powerful.

VOTE: NM

[Moongrass]

You mean stay in the game instead of bowing out? Possibly, but I wouldn't mind NM gracing us with his unique presence.

[Moongrass]

I just feel that people don’t want to vote for us despite our collective good track record so meh. :/

I do think you two would be an asset as town, however since Nancy in particular is readable and I do want one of the stumps to bow out at some point, I don't think it would benefit town to have you as stumpy the second.

[Moongrass]

I'd prefer not to be stumped.

[Moongrass]

so NM be honest

if / when you're a stump, your very first post is going to be exiting the game, right

how could you call yourself a true troll if it wasn't

I think this is the best bet. I wouldn't expect the exit to be the first post, but an exit at some point would make town stump more powerful.

VOTE: NM

If that's your logic, you should be voting me.

VOTE: House

I'm the guy that won't hesitate to self-sacrifice to help town win.

Everybody here knows NM can't make that claim.

Elect me, and I'll pull that trigger when and if the time comes.

My only interest in being stumped was to be the sacrificial lamb.

Oh! Sorry I missed that. If enough people vote you, I'll add mine.

[Moongrass]

does anyone here actually do night kill analysis? genuine question - i'll vote for anyone that actually does it unless NSG does do it.

I love a good NKA and VCA. Ok, tell me in 5 words why you deserve to be stumped.

[Moongrass]

*notes to self to fake claim PR as scum*

[Moongrass]

My bad, didn't mean to intrude on your private joke. Speaking of private jokes, where's A50 these days?

[Moongrass]

I like mastina's reasoning, it's similar to mine for not wanting to be stumped. A signifcant portion of my reads come from the way I'm approached when players don't know my alignment.

VOTE: Norwegian

Sorry NM, I don't think you get majority here.

[Moongrass]

Some Hider variant would be fun.

[Moongrass]

Being 100% right every game is an unreasonable expectation to have of players, even the like of nsg.
This would be good practice for those who fail to factor in others' voices, having a confirmed town voice or two to reason with.

[Moongrass]

We're voting to euphemise people? Like, to make a euphemism of them?

That's what I got from the role PM too haha.

[Moongrass]

Scum pro strats would be to make an stump accidentally say they believe in the town using bold text and getting them out of game immediately.

Not sure what you mean, could you put what you're talking about in bold?

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VOTE: FMFT

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Your entrance posts seem a little more proactive than what I thought would be normal for you NK15. That yawn in particular seemed like posting for the sake of posting. Am I wrong?

[Moongrass]

I think proactive is the wrong word, replace with simply active.

[Moongrass]

It makes sense with the stumps, we have 3 conftown voices

One of which can likely be Strongman killedeven with a doctor, if it exists.

Scum.

Like, please do not at any point question decisions that the stumps may or may not have made with regards to power roles, as getting them to defend those choices is akin to rolefishing

Town.

[Moongrass]

Have I won yet?

[Moongrass]

Why would I need to suck up to a player I don't know? What are you implying?

[Moongrass]

I like VOTE: NK15 better.

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I like VOTE: NK15 better.

What's up with disparaging you for doing something with what little content there is though?

I'm not disagreeing with your push, I just want to get something out of NK15 first. House seems like an easy read, not particularly threatened by scum House.

[Moongrass]

Good thing there's no vest to protect you from bad euphemisms.

[Moongrass]

Good thing there's no vest to protect you from bad euphemisms.

People stopped caring about my feelings enough to use euphemisms decades ago.

[Moongrass]

I like VOTE: NK15 better.

What's up with disparaging you for doing something with what little content there is though?

How do you know I'm doing something as town?

[Moongrass]

I like VOTE: NK15 better.

What's up with disparaging you for doing something with what little content there is though?

How do you know I'm doing something as town?

I don't need to know your alignment to push someone based on their behaviour in regard to you, particularly at this stage of the game

That's not what I was asking. You defended me for "doing something," which makes no sense if you think I'm doing something as scum therefore you based your defense on my being town which I'm not sure you had basis to believe just from my posting up until that point.

I'm not sure how "disparaging" someone is even scum indicative in 467.

[Moongrass]

Are readlists usually produced this early for you mastina?

[Moongrass]

mastina has gone straight in to her scum meta with her opening post.

Please elaborate.

[Moongrass]

No, that's a town mastina readslist

What's the difference?

[Moongrass]

mastina supposedly reads the nonposters as null... then has the nonposter hydra as scum.

Tbh I was scumreading hydra for not posting yet. I was expecting the thread to blow up with them in it.

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VOTE: jjh
You need to relax my guy. We get it, you're showing you're scumhunting.

mastina supposedly reads the nonposters as null... then has the nonposter hydra as scum.

Tbh I was scumreading hydra for not posting yet. I was expecting the thread to blow up with them in it.

What are my active site hours?

No idea, that's why I didn't push it. I can see some reason to mastina's reads though.

[Moongrass]

Then what was your purpose in shading a slot that has yet to post?
It sounds like you are trying to preemptively set up a negative opinion of us and create an expectation.
I hope dearly that's not what you were trying to do, that'd be quite scummy.

Please read posts prior to understand context.

[Moongrass]

VOTE: Mia and Maya Fey

[Moongrass]

How to not beetlejuice as scum 101.

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NSG you here?

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Every post from the Fey hydra is disgustingly scummy.

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Oh no I thought house would turn out to be town. Disappoint.

[Moongrass]

I'll just drop that scum think I'm an easy push in games because I am very aggressive and have an unorthodox playstyle. I would surely hope that isn't any of you trying to shade me right now.

How is this not screaming scum to you NSG? Lol. It's actually kind of sad.

[Moongrass]

it looks like threat assessment to me rather than actual sorting.

This is the only thing I've thought might be a genuine town thought. Everything else is trash.

[Moongrass]

I'll just drop that scum think I'm an easy push in games because I am very aggressive and have an unorthodox playstyle. I would surely hope that isn't any of you trying to shade me right now.

How is this not screaming scum to you NSG? Lol. It's actually kind of sad.

i'm pretty much deferring from reading the hydra until nancy posts more, which i think is probably a higher reliability strategy.

Yeah that makes sense.

[Moongrass]

Try again.

Are you seriously shading confirmed town? Try again is like egging on scum to shade you.

I don't think scum would be this reckless. Though you have good associatives with Fey.

[Moongrass]

Gamma, thoughts on Fey hydra?

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Oh what the Hell, have some OMGUS with a side of raisins.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Can you two cut it out? Thanks.

[Moongrass]

I am the opposite

Gamma looks very much town

Yeah. A lot of people equivocation activity with town and he flew in and popped out a lot of posts at one time... without actually giving us anything to chew on.

There's no meat on all those bones.

While I disagree with House's assessment, I think both he and gamma are town.

Same.

[Moongrass]

okay
To make things easier in the future, unless I'm personally motivated to do so, I'm not really into hunting down stuff that I'm told is self-evident (so when a hydra says one head should be clearly told from the other, that doesn't tend to work for me). So if you're trying to clue me into a post that already exists, be direct about it, don't play games and lead me around in circles.

anyway, to address the actual post, I feel like you are right to doubt the mastina scumread based on the meta being old, the play mastina is showing is pretty much par for the course these days, I'd say.

Wow. I don't even recognize your play. I'm impressed.

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I'm sorry what? Wdym by "recognize"?

I've played you a few moons ago, mind the pun.

[Moongrass]

So if you're trying to clue me into a post that already exists, be direct about it, don't play games and lead me around in circles.

I just don't think your question was genuine, since it was answered before you asked it.

I tend to miss the forest for the forest sometimes
(idk what that would mean in any way or form, I just think it potentially resembles the idea I'm aiming for)

I think gamma is serious about euphemising you haha.

[Moongrass]

I'm sorry what? Wdym by "recognize"?

I've played you a few moons ago, mind the pun.

is that moons in the sense of months?

The expression is a non specific one in terms of time. Generally it means a long time ago. I think it's been years and a different handle.

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VOTE: NK15 space given, but I'm watching you Feys.

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I mean you can act as indignant as you want, but really look at the opening of your other head, it would have been scummiest not to vote you imo.

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VOTE: NK15 space given, but I'm watching you Feys.

If you were actually doing that, then you wouldn’t have even bothered making this statement.

You clearly have either completely forgot about Gameshow or you’re being disingenuous. Which is it?

I think you're scum crying your way to innocence. I have two stumps telling me to back down, otherwise I'd lim you quicker than you can bat your wet falsies.

[Moongrass]

I don't care about you townreading me. I care about you objectively weighing other slots over whatever it is you're trying to achieve here.

[Moongrass]

I think things will be very interesting when one of you flip.

Don't make me retract my townread with your soft TvS push here.

[Moongrass]

Yeah good luck with that. Sorry for giving you an excuse to tunnel instead of genuinely providing anything useful to town.

[Moongrass]

I'm going to give you a chance to reread this game. I'll happily 1v1 or 1v2 if you still want to go down this path.

[Moongrass]

mastina has gone straight in to her scum meta with her opening post.

Nice the hydra is scum.

Yet still voting mastina.

I mean it's feasible to have more than one scum read? If FMFT is scum, wouldn't it have been an opportune moment to join the Feys wagon rather than stick with the original read?

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Also we shouldn’t have any early eliminations since scum can still choose and pick their toys to play with for a while so let’s give them less info by vibing a bit more before things get heated. That’s my opinion.

@Moon is this the only reason you unvoted us? Because if you’re actually town here then the 1v1 thing is just going to help scum and I don’t even have a clue what 1v2 even means.

1v2 because you have two heads.

I unvoted because of NSG and Norwegian thinking it's a better idea to wait and see.

[Moongrass]

Look at WHY they were scumreading mastina.

It would make it easier if you could just explain it to me like I'm 5 because I'm not following.

[Moongrass]

I'm seeing possible teams with jjh but I'm pushing those aside for now as I have a tendency to over read rather than take the less exciting but obvious teams.

[Moongrass]

Fine, I'll stop being lazy. One moment please caller.

[Moongrass]

VOTE: mastina
This is obvious scum. Serious vote.

mastina has gone straight in to her scum meta with her opening post.

mastina supposedly reads the nonposters as null... then has the nonposter hydra as scum.

Nice the hydra is scum.

And jjh is town.

This is literally their whole in game ISO.

Right so they should have recalibrated their read because they scumread mastina for scumreading hydra, who they also agreed was scum?

It's not terrible reasoning, but it's not exactly a smoking gun either. Wouldn't scum be more conscious of their progression making sense?

[Moongrass]

I guess we could just assume they're really bad scum?

[Moongrass]

Subject: Happy Face Mafia (Game Over)

That's probably enough posts

Titus is looking to try and push wagons on people she thinks are scum, especially when people are voting for people she does not think are scum
She is engaging with people to the end of convincing them of her viewpoint

This is Titus' towngame

Scum!jjh can make extremely townie sounding posts. This post caused me to wrongly tr him, even when I was still unsure on Titus.

I don't think that tone is at all the same as the tone jjh has here. I don't find that post convincingly town although that could be confirmation bias.

[Moongrass]

That's disingenuous

Scum might wish to stand out in order to get townread, or may attract attention even if they do not wish to

I think you have attempted and failed to provide a 'towny' reaction to someone voting you. You are trying way too hard to make people think you do not care about it

For example this isn't flat and overexplaining like the post from the other game.

[Moongrass]

Maybe jjh was pushing house a bit harder than warranted, but that kind of energy early will implode over time when coming from scum. It's unsustainable. Tldr jjh is not my preferred D1 lim.

[Moongrass]

Fwiw House I overstated my read on you for the sake of content production to get us out of RVS immediately

Plus I don't see why scum do this.

[Moongrass]

It's definitely possible. Personally I wouldn't bring more attention to it or close the push down.

[Moongrass]

Those two posts might have the same content but completely different expressions.

[Moongrass]

I've always really enjoyed Jingle games.

[Moongrass]

Those two posts might have the same content but completely different expressions.

Of course rephrased content will have a different vibe.

Don't get reachy.

Vibes matter. Don't get preachy.

[Moongrass]

Mastina/jjh/moon/Tea

Statistically speaking you're probably right.

[Moongrass]

Not trying to town tell but are we looking for 4 scum or 3?

[Moongrass]

4 seems a bit much with 3 confirmed town and I've seen sets of 4 thrown out.

[Moongrass]

3 okay thank you. Do I dare town bin NM for his scumteam of 4.

[Moongrass]

jjh/Not Known/House

Oh I misremembered. Scratch that.

[Moongrass]

Damn it I lost heading that wagon because of those darn headless trees.

[Moongrass]

@jjh927 ..... why do you not have dgb as town since the mod told us they were town.

Is this a serious question?

[Moongrass]

@jjh927 ..... why do you not have dgb as town since the mod told us they were town.

Is this a serious question?

yes due to their post having not mafia at the bottom . another form why even post about dgb since mod told us they were town or are you trying to defend them?

I can't understand you.

[Moongrass]

I am telling anyone who knows my meta how to read me. Do a metadive on me, if you seriously doubt this.

I don’t have full reads on D1. I got lucky with Bell because he was super transparent.

I have made sr/sls. If you means trs/tls? I have a lot of nulls but so far liking House and Gamma.

If you have done that and seriously think that my not having full reads on day freaking one when I’m getting idiot pushed means anything - after you have done that metadive - then fucking vote me.

why are you telling people to read you by meta? shouldn't the way you play this game show if you are town or not i think scum would try to deflate their wagon by telling others to read them by meta instead of content.

I understand and like this.

[Moongrass]

Not everything revolves around the hydra. But yes relying on meta and sorting, if you can call it that, just the people who voted for you isn't convincing anyone you're town. As I said earlier, if you could engage with others about their posts (try and choose posts not about you) and make some reads it'd make this a lot easier.

To summarise your reads so far you scumread everyone who voted you and townread the two people who wouldn't...

The truth makes cyrus lean town here.

[Moongrass]

Am I going to now have to towncase myself

Please don't. Please just solve beyond your wagon.

[Moongrass]

This is incredibly frustrating, to deal with such a self absorbed player.

[Moongrass]

If you want to talk meta Nancy. Your town meta laughs at people pushing you and reduces them down to nothing. This whimpering play so far doesn't reflect your town confidence at all.

[Moongrass]

I'm not trying to be mean and I apologize if I'm crossing lines, I'm just expressing my frustration in a real way. Feel free to pull me up on it.

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If you want to talk meta Nancy. Your town meta laughs at people pushing you and reduces them down to nothing. This whimpering play so far doesn't reflect your town confidence at all.

When did I even get pushed in GS?

You were pushed by me so I know how town you reacts to that and this ain't it girl.

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If you want to talk meta Nancy. Your town meta laughs at people pushing you and reduces them down to nothing. This whimpering play so far doesn't reflect your town confidence at all.

When did I even get pushed in GS?

You were pushed by me so I know how town you reacts to that and this ain't it girl.

No, you locktowned me. I can quote the post?

After the pushing I did, but your insistence to defend scum RC and discredit me made me want to policy you. Your entire reaction to being pushed was different. I see no laughing emojis here, no discredit, no confidence.

[Moongrass]

YES it's a cyrus game
this game just got better!
Imma catch up as well

Where's the catch up?

I mean you can act as indignant as you want, but really look at the opening of your other head, it would have been scummiest not to vote you imo.

There's something off with how the hydra and moongrass have acted towards one another and I can't pinpoint it what it is just yet but there's something fishy in those two
VOTE: Moongrass

Is this it? How much have you read?

[Moongrass]

I think through some statistical sorcery it's more likely to hit scum if I'm at the front of the wagon, especially on day 1

We both know I'm the king whether you give me the cred or not.

[Moongrass]

Idk why ppl are town reading cyrus.

I'm not vibing with his posts

at all

.

Do you think he's playing with his misunderstanding of the readlists?

[Moongrass]

VOTE: jjh

Wtf?

[Moongrass]

Cyrus is giving me town vibes still.

[Moongrass]

VOTE: House

[Moongrass]

Cyrus is this your first "large" game? Or first game out of newbie?

[Moongrass]

If you want to talk meta Nancy. Your town meta laughs at people pushing you and reduces them down to nothing. This whimpering play so far doesn't reflect your town confidence at all.

I'm curious to know your thoughts on this post.

[Moongrass]

Were you here when we were voting for stumps? I'm not having a go, I'm just trying to understand your mindset.

[Moongrass]

If you want to talk meta Nancy. Your town meta laughs at people pushing you and reduces them down to nothing. This whimpering play so far doesn't reflect your town confidence at all.

I'm curious to know your thoughts on this post.

@gamma

[Moongrass]

Were you here when we were voting for stumps? I'm not having a go, I'm just trying to understand your mindset.

no i replaced in .

Ok that makes a lot more sense and removes some of the town cred, most of which I applied thinking you were here from the start but had only just started catching up.

I have a theory that anyone who received a red role pm after the stumping must've felt this to be a losing game and would be forgiven for repping out. Do you know any of the players here?

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VOTE: jjh

For the record my read on Not_Mafia has thoroughly deteriorated.

I can see that vote coming from town NM who reads Fey hydra as town.

Scum would see jjh as a futile push at this point.

[Moongrass]

i stated this before your question.

So only Gamma?

[Moongrass]

I'll take the leap of faith on House being town here.

A leap of faith would better describe him being a town read, not lock town.

[Moongrass]

Your theory is disproven.

Damn you Dr. house.

[Moongrass]

The point was to apply some pressure, but that's ok. I think I'm getting caught in my own web and will regroup.

VOTE: Nomnom

[Moongrass]

House you're like a pineapple.

[Moongrass]

Rough on the outside and sweet on the inside. You can be town.

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I change my mind, jjh is town

I have whiplash. Do share what changed your mind.

[Moongrass]

Cyrus is giving me town vibes still.

Wdym still

I'm still waiting for a response from you on a post a few pages back.

[Moongrass]

If you want to talk meta Nancy. Your town meta laughs at people pushing you and reduces them down to nothing. This whimpering play so far doesn't reflect your town confidence at all.

I'm curious to know your thoughts on this post.

@gamma

[Moongrass]

The point was to apply some pressure, but that's ok. I think I'm getting caught in my own web and will regroup.

VOTE: Nomnom

Caught in your own web

how

?

Well I'll tell you a secret.

I'm not scum, but I've been carefully setting up webs that I myself have destroyed and now I'm so tangled in my reads I'm not even sure I'm town anymore.

[Moongrass]

I kind of resent being in the same category as NM.

[Moongrass]

Lol fine but at like 100x the effort.

[Moongrass]

basically dodging my main argument

Uh what argument?

[Moongrass]

Nomhead, that's not an argument. That's just you making an observation saying scum is in x vs x. I'm not sure what you're expecting me to respond to there.

Nsg can you talk a bit more about your Nancy townread?

[Moongrass]

I'm thinking it's nom^3/gamma/NK15.

[Moongrass]

This is what I mean by "the Moongrass x Hydra interaction feels off" it feels like you're spending your time making a case about nancy and yet you still don't scumread the hydra and you mentioned at the very beginning it was because stumps not thinking the hydra was scum
To me it reeks of scum who doesn't want to go against the hydra theory and shifting their whole play accordingly

I never stopped scumreading Fey hydra, but I give space in situations where I feel trigger happy, particularly in games where two stumps are advocating a wait and see approach. And I'm not ashamed of taking confirmed town reads into account when I'm not impartial due to history with Nancy.

[Moongrass]

I still think they're scum but I'll wait and see and solve around them for what good that does me.

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It means not interacting with them directly which I haven't for some time. Like I know it's next level play to you to actually take into account other people's reads, but it's actually easier to play as a team instead of some delusional scum hunting god flying solo. A lot of what I do won't ever be acknowledged and I've made peace with that long ago.

[Moongrass]

Ok you've made your case and I'm not going to refute anything, even though I think you're misrepping me, because it's just going to go in a massive circle jerk of "you scum, no you."

[Moongrass]

Yeah, no thanks. So did Nancy put you up to this?

[Moongrass]

Ok, so for arguments sake say I'm scum. What are your other reads at this point?

[Moongrass]

Yeah, no thanks. So did Nancy put you up to this?

What made you say this statement?

A few reactions I'm looking for.

I assume Nancy thinks I'm an easy mislynch based on what happened in game show.

[Moongrass]

Why am I not surprised by the NK vote? Gamma next right.

[Moongrass]

Listen I had no choice, she sent a group of hoodlums to my house threatening to break everything if I didn't make a case on you all the while going on a monologue about enacting revenge on the players in this game because we didn't vote her slot to be stumped
I had no choice but to accurately point all of this out

I know this is sarcasm but it's not fluff, implicit in this post is how aware of the gamestate nom actually is. I don't think it's unreasonable for her to have reads other than moongrass scum.

[Moongrass]

...sorry majorly got pronoun wrong. Replace all with he.

[Moongrass]

I like mastina because all her reads and progressions vibe with what I'm seeing, or at the very least I can see how she got there even without the working.
I don't know why NM is voting JJH unless he's seeing a TvS in hydra vs JJH...fine with him being left out of D1 lim pool today. I agree with your townreads otherwise.

Gamma started strong but now he's blending so much I'm becoming suspicious. My reads are still evolving and will continue to do so until the hammer falls, so consider my proposed scumteam a draft I use as a tool rather than an all-in on a solve.

What are your thoughts on the hydra aside from their interactions with me?

[Moongrass]

Ahahaha VOTE: NK15

[Moongrass]

The point was to apply some pressure, but that's ok. I think I'm getting caught in my own web and will regroup.

VOTE: Nomnom

Caught in your own web

how

?

Well I'll tell you a secret.

I'm not scum, but I've been carefully setting up webs that I myself have destroyed and now I'm so tangled in my reads I'm not even sure I'm town anymore.

I townread you until this Masterpiece of Scum.

It really sucks that my one post ruined it all.

[Moongrass]

So you think the hydra is town now?

The tone of this question doesn’t feel like it’s good faith

It's not the tone, the question itself is in bad faith (much like the "case" on me) just because you don't have someone in your solve, doesn't mean you townread them. Regardless of the question I feel like NK is pulling reads out of his ass at an opportune time.

[Moongrass]

...for someone who has played as long as you I have no idea how you can disregard my entire ISO for one ridiculous gotcha post.

[Moongrass]

Also I was so lost at that point of the game I made a joke, the tension if there was any was that I felt like I was wading through the mud of my own paranoia. 7D chess is next level, I haven't been accused of higher than 5D before.

[Moongrass]

Like why the flying feck would I even bring up a web? And then what? I get Gamma my scumbuddy to please question it so I can present my 7D chessboard to the game so that I can finally be townread?

I know I'm going on about it a bit but like, please stop it.

[Moongrass]

Which is a bad faith question given the posts immediately before it.

[Moongrass]

It is annoying that he's town and thinking this silly.

[Moongrass]

It* sorry I'm terrible with pronouns.

[Moongrass]

It is annoying that it's town and thinking this silly.

Who else pushed on that post that might be scum?

What? I feel like you're trying to ask me a leading question but I'm not sure where you're leading me to.

I remember both you and Gamma commenting on the post which I shrugged off, I have since stated a townread on you and suggested a scumread on Gamma. Is that what you mean?

[Moongrass]

Sure.

[Moongrass]

nom and moon are tvt convinceme otherwise.

Please explain?

[Moongrass]

I'm assuming your questions are rhetorical seeing as you answered one yourself. What's your read on me now?

[Moongrass]

Perhaps I exaggerated, I was referring to to GS. I appreciate the apology, however forgiving does not mean forgetting. I remember how you completely discredited me as town, I also have other meta with you and have played scum you, I'm just not using that meta as a basis to explain my read on you since it would be unfair for me to make such claims and refuse to provide you with the source, most of my read here is based on your other heads entrance and your responses since. I only mentioned the history as a possible unwanted influence in my considering your slot objectively.

[Moongrass]

Titus could you talk more about your townread on Gamma?

[Moongrass]

Gamma and House would you mind discussing your hesitation around the wagon on the hydra when it first started up? Like was there a post from the start that gave you the impression the push from me and JJH was bad?

[Moongrass]

Titus could you talk more about your townread on Gamma?

It's a tonal townread mostly. He doesn't seem to back down when pushed or FoSed. He's clear and understandable too.

I'm seeing what you're seeing but not sure how being calm and clear comes exclusively from town Gamma.

[Moongrass]

Gamma and House would you mind discussing your hesitation around the wagon on the hydra when it first started up? Like was there a post from the start that gave you the impression the push from me and JJH was bad?

Nah. Discussing my hesitancy would not serve a town wincon.

Okay, what do you mean by that?

[Moongrass]

Do you think Gamma is town house?

[Moongrass]

I think he's town actually. I'm going to find it hard to sort nom, NK read doesn't change.

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DrippingGoofball
Gamma Emerald
cyrus62
jjh927
mastina
House
Mia and Maya Fey
Not_Mafia
nomnomnom
Titus
Free Money Free Tea
Not Known 15

[Moongrass]

FMFT I think I need to meta dive which I hate doing but dude is giving me nothing to work with.

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Would prefer if we waited a bit before hammer.

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I guess it's relative to reads. My only thought at this stage is I'm happier with my wagon buddies than the other lot. I think more interesting is who is not on a wagon.

Typically if NK is scum he will find a way onto the counter, the day is still young I guess. Speaking of counters, both wagons seemed to build up organically, I don't see one as being a counter wagon to the other.

If we're talking votes then I disliked Noms the most onto NK and titus on the other.

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I kind of agree that scumhunting via VCA is a bit premature here however it's a good opportunity to bond over our burning dumpster fire.

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Ooh please share.

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Hope is less effective than an unvote.

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UNVOTE:

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Norwegian meant they are seeing plausible associatives on one wagon lot vs the other lacking any. I don't think that indicates anything about their thoughts on individual alignments. I think they're referring to jjh/mastina in particular. Possibly even jjh/me.

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VOTE: jjh927

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UNVOTE:

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Cyrus what's the best point you have on JJH being scum?

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VOTE: miabut now to keep my word. why should i trust you are town give me something besides meta and dont start crying again it wont work with me.

I was just about to ask about meta.

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Cyrus what's the best point you have on JJH being scum?

why all the vote hoping?

I hope for the best.

[Moongrass]

im willing to go on a limb here and say i dont think nk15 is scum and i wont vote them.

Can you explain what's giving you this feeling?

[Moongrass]

Wow. It's like that then.

[Moongrass]

The gloves are out sir and neither one is named mercy.

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Btw I'm down to hammer, just when I'm ready. But you can fall all the way back down for pulling that shade on me.

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Sorry I'm binge watching Empire.

Pedit: yeah because questioning someone intently is equivalent to putting someone to L-1. Get outta here fool.

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VOTE: House

I let you off when you shaded me talking to DGB, fool me twice though right.

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Sorry I'm binge watching Empire.

Pedit: yeah because questioning someone intently is equivalent to putting someone to L-1. Get outta here fool.

Not even close.

There is no equivalent to being one vote away from death.

That's the point Dr.

[Moongrass]

I was all, oh but he can't possibly be scum because he wouldn't bring up having a friend with communication challenges to white knight Cyrus...scum would never sink that low.

I can't let my whole read on you hinge on that when tonally you've been inconsistent. You hedge on every read, drop not so subtle hints that you're town.

I like you, but I'm going to euphemize you worse than the pineapple.

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UNVOTE:

Why am I not surprised?

I'm leaning towards Moon being skittish scumworried about losing a buddy instead of town because of this unvote.

A hammer would be a scum claim with a town flip as much as E-1 was mentioned.

I would get everyone off of NK, this is pretty obvious house knows they're town (because he's scum).

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Lies. It's all been lies and my world has fallen apart.

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But this game actually makes more sense now.

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Vote me house, stop fishing for interest and do the damn thing yourself.

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Nom go away. Stop bulldozing me like you're house's buddy. Every chance you see an opening you're like a fly to the thread. Everytime people are doing work, you're nowhere to be found. Your one track show is tired.

[Moongrass]

Go buzz someone else.

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Because I don't spoon feed people who add nothing to this game, it's a waste of my time and not fun interacting with you.

[Moongrass]

My tr on Nom keeps getting stronger the more he posts. They speak to a townie mindset.

Yes encourage the tunnel. Thank you.

[Moongrass]

Look again nom.

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His only content is tunneling me, and you're encouraging him to post MORE of it.

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No that's the easiest read in the game. Plus they insta buddied Cyrus on their entrance like a slimeball, then pivoted into tunneling me... no on the town mindset imo.

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@Moongrass
Well, why did your read on Gamma change?
Like i’m seeing the same thing. You’re moving the goalpost and accusing Nom of tunneling instead of answering the question. Or did you scumread Nom? Idk, that’s not very clear either at this point.

I reread his iso when I was bouncing ideas off of my ex-friend and said actually I think he's town.

If you were in my position where it's glaringly obvious that nom has no real interest in my answers and see it for the shake down it is, you'd get why I refuse to interact with him.

[Moongrass]

What are you talking about?

[Moongrass]

I changed my reads and refused to answer someone who has never approached me in good faith. But your version sounds better, go with that.

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Clearly I'm doing something wrong if 2/3 confirmed town think I'm scum so I'm going to bed.

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okay how the hell did I jump to the top of your readlist?

You, jjh and Cyrus are players I'm most convinced are town. I reread your ISO and house's after reevaluating my read on the hydra, because I remembered you both hesitating on the Nancy wagon. I also did a quick mod ISO and your voting pattern is least likely to come from scum.

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Do you actually want to know or are you just looking to confirm your scumread?

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The house and cyrus votes are towny because they are contrary to what's dominating the thread, which shows me that Gamma is playing his own game, supporting much of what I read in his ISO. The fact that he has been voting solo when I think scum are involved in the two main wagons also reads as a non agenda. Contrary to house, gamma is making reads and asking questions objectively. Contrary to house he didn't try to find a way onto a main wagon as soon as you OK'd an elim.

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Do you actually want to know or are you just looking to confirm your scumread?

What kind of lame response is this? I just want to know if you actually have any meat behind your statements or not. What exactly is town about Gamma’s voting pattern?

It's intended to make you reframe before you read my response.

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Also Moon, do you feel genuinely aggressive IRL whenever someone justs asks you questions about what you say? Surely that can’t be healthy.

Sure, make it personal. This says a lot more about you than me.

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Not a clue, I think a lot of what house has done here can be from either alignment but I'm leaning scum on his behavior around players under pressure in the thread.

Do you think what house has done here would be hard for scum to achieve?

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Not a clue, I think a lot of what house has done here can be from either alignment but I'm leaning scum on his behavior around players under pressure in the thread.

Do you think what house has done here would be hard for scum to achieve?

Uuuh what that in response to me?

Yes, I'm interested to know what your thoughts are on other players.

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This is the only game I've ever played with house in it. Ive liked playing with house so I'm disappointed if he is scum, it's a dig at the betrayal. I guess this wasn't about other players hahaha.

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House also said I jumped off NK because he would flip town. Gamma, you're picking a choosing house's posts to confirm your bad read.

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This is the only game I've ever played with house in it. Ive liked playing with house so I'm disappointed if he is scum, it's a dig at the betrayal. I guess this wasn't about other players hahaha.

why was it a "betrayal"?

Because I trusted him when he said he was town. I like to be dramatic, sue me.

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Well you can either complain about me posting about you and NK, or you can answer my question about your sudden change of heart towards Gamma. How about that?

Go buzz someone else.

why the prickly reaction to someone else asking about your read on me, but you gave me an answer without hesitation?

Because I think nom is scum and I don't like talking to people who throw everything I say back in my face to confirm a bad read.

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House also said I jumped off NK because he would flip town. Gamma, you're picking a choosing house's posts to confirm your bad read.

Okay, that's on him for giving two contradictory statements. I didn't say I felt he was right about that part, did I?

No and that's why I'm saying you're picking which one to agree with in a biased way. It's like if I gave evidence for someone being both innocent and guilty and then the jury picked which one to choose rather than see the evidence is from an unreliable source.

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Because I think nom is scum

You think I'm scum?

Yes. I do but I don't want to engage with you about me so it's hard for me to feel certain about it.

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I changed my reads and refused to answer someone who has never approached me in good faith. But your version sounds better, go with that.

honestly my issue isn't just that you townread me, it's that I went straight to the top of your TRs. Why did you decide to discard your reasons for scumreading me ENTIRELY?

Then reread the list and put yourself 4th or something. Sorry I'm most confident about you.

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Because I think nom is scum

You think I'm scum?

Yes. I do but I don't want to engage with you about me so it's hard for me to feel certain about it.

I actually don't think you believe that.

You wouldn't know what I believe since you're too busy shoving scummy intent into my posts.

[Moongrass]

Meow!

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Also i feel like there are way too many players here announcing an 100% locktown read on other players for minor shit on day 1. Just feels like an disaster waiting to happen.

I'd scumread you for this if you weren't a stump.

anyone else bothered by this?
I feel like I've been rightly called out for posts like this as scum before.

No my scum buddy is very townie in this post.

[Moongrass]

NK/me make no sense. So if I get flipped don't townread him because of it.