however he can be emotional and town because when he's town he doesn't sound like he is the world most uncomfortable fidgety guy sitting there wanting to bolt and has the serenity of someone ascended
In post 1343, Ydrasse wrote:here she’s hanging out and doing things but i don’t see a bad motivation behind it
i don’t see her disagreeing with your plan as anti-town either
In post 1344, Ydrasse wrote:like whether it’s the best ev i have no ficking clue but i don’t think she was trying to undermine you so that you lose all cred / hold of a gamestate and i think that if that /was/ what she wanted to do she could have well and done it with the spars you got into
In post 1345, Ydrasse wrote:okay this was a good exercise because i was wondering why i was townreading isis earlier but i feel better about it again go team
In post 1347, Ydrasse wrote:by more things i meant “things that push a scum win”
it is also a read rooted in meta from games past but isis is just. here. townposting.
i don't see ill intent in what she's doing at all; depending on ev things maybe her arguing against 3+1 is bad but i don't know numbers, i'm dumb as shit, and had the same thoughts about how to use the dungeon
In post 366, Morning Tweet wrote:I understand that trying to have scum do it is slightly better..... i assume
But i also somewhat doubt you're getting above random % picking it on the 4 day D1 with no info and maybe there's a reason to have the same person do it over and over again or something which sounds attractive to me
i suppose the actual reason is i want to have this discussion i guess.
Also don't like this
In post 1444, JohnnyFarrar wrote:As of page 18 I think I'm done with the whole "how do you have reads" convo as I've basically got at least a preliminary read on everyone. Except Isis. We should leash isis.
In post 1509, Morning Tweet wrote:Surely you mean the plan that is contingent on reading scum right so they can be in the bottom half of the plist, right?
What made you go back to this post?
Isis wrote:
In post 1509, Morning Tweet wrote:I feel like i can't control when my hearts in it, it just happens sometimes
In post 1694, Chromium wrote:@ydrasse do you feel that isis' read on you is genuine and not TMI?
ya
i spoke through why i tr isis which is a part of it but: her pushing this plan to hold me accountable so hard would be from her like a 50 steps planned ahead scum maneuver where she's trying to hold me accountable at some point to be a miselim/killed in the dungeon group somehow and i dont think that isis plays ilke that as scum (she might and i am bullshitting on this but this is my assumption of her)
also the fact that isis doesn't have the most recent scumgame that i've played as reference like some people here means she's going off of what she knows of me and she's trying to make an assumption -- and
the assumption of the meta that she knows about me lines up with how she'd expect me to be as town
. were she caught up with my recent scum meta i think that i'd be a lot more worried but i feel better because she's working with what she knows.
she does but idk if it’s too late to change plan but when she started getting in depth she felt like the most recent town game she had which was terrifying !
In post 1925, Chromium wrote:ok but more than just you voted on that, including me.
i veto your proposal in favor of the already approved one.
mt and johnny both confirmed they're fine going to the guillo and dungeon respectively so there's no confusion, why are you making it an issue with less than two hours now when it was a smooth switch between them both?
it was last minute and that's frustrating but i do not want mt to die in the dungeon, and in the efforts of not making it a clusterfuck by removing her entirely i just want her to not be in danger
In post 1768, Morning Tweet wrote:I see mainly Dunn talking mechanical (and as Johnny said, supporting the existing plan). Although i mean i dont see why he wouldnt especially considering i dont think Dunn has gotten any heat this phase. If both partners arent in the dungeon i dont think scum sweats it
In post 508, Dunnstral wrote:Regardless of mechanics being 'easy to fake' we still have to talk about them
hehe why yes my dear i suppose thats true but i still find them more or less helpful for any alignment to participate in if you've got the mind for it. The core idea that "townread ppl are better off so scum need to be townread" thing still applies regardless of mech, the positive reads you get for this discussion outweigh the negatives by far since i believe someone would have revealed the correct strategy anyway. May as well be you
I hate that it seems like im mostly talking about Chrome who i dont really think is all that likely to be scum but if they are i think the mechanical stuff played into ppls reads too much. To ease my soul on the subject...
In post 1304, Chromium wrote:i reread. who is MT's partner is the solution here.
the best i got is that infinity/MT don't seem aligned if 1 is scum
Reevaluating me from bottom barrel scum to just scumlean via my meta seems sort of pointless for scum!Chrome but obviously easily town motivated.
Call me biased but i find it a lot more charitable than srckz who is more or less content having me at the bottom for being souless (Which granted i can't exactly blame them, but I find that to be a more believable scum minded read)
Anyway still scrolling thru Dunn's ISO i dont find myself super motivated one way or the other, should see what other ppl say cause I suppose im not exactly great at reading Dunn. It is overwhelmingly mechanics based thru here
In post 1766, Morning Tweet wrote:Not that this is super important but Ydrasse fits how i would envision a ydrasse who is very tired of playing scum multiple times in a row looks like. I think if she were scum it'd be more similar to the chain of scum games recently, but instead she came across as way more on fire
I concur she has a really good scum game but i want to say she's getting a well deserved respite from the alignment and this is probably what that looks like. So overall i think out of everyone she's had the hardest performance to fake thus far. Can vibe with Isis' thoughts on the matter too certainly
In post 1688, Chromium wrote:and its odd you didn't even quote a single thing from that page here - but you had a townread there based on a townping?
In post 1694, Chromium wrote:@ydrasse do you feel that isis' read on you is genuine and not TMI?
In post 1693, Isis wrote:You asked for the bastion of the high confidence of my Ydrasse townread, I picked out the points that were the strongest. That was a townread from a lower information phase, I can go through and pickout why I was feeling that way then if you want.
Both those posts are not all-in
no, you've said enough. I think you've TMI'd ydrasse as town here and are trying to pocket her.
Have you never townread somebody but gone back to figure out the concrete reasons later on and developed your reasons as they are asked for? When i don't have a game perfectly cached in my mind i sometimes give reads and evaluate them live when prompted to give more solid reasoning for em. Sometimes it includes stuff i didnt have access to or didnt see at the time
Essentially if asked to give reasons for why i believe someone's town sometimes i go back and read off the top of my head. Interestingly enough as scum im more likely to have the reasoning on hand because i feel scared someone will ask me for my reasoning, i wont know, then ill get accused of whatever bs. So using whatever evidence you notice on a fresh read-thru can be a sign of not stressing keeping track of your reads perfectly (or, a sign of scum who straight up doesnt know and is making stuff up, which i take it is how you're interpreting it)
Although i think it does heavily imply ydrasse as town if isis were to be scum but that's more of a read id make after isis' flip in that case
I can't even tell if you're drawing a conclusion from this exercise, or it was a reaction test, or whatever it was but i wrote this so here it is
In post 1699, Isis wrote:does this mean I can skip MT and go build my netrunner deck
nyoooooooooooooo you need to scumread me more so the story won't be outdated
In post 1771, Morning Tweet wrote:Ahhh (i think) that's that question where Infinity came across as kinda not sure where to go with it and whether or was scummy or not, i've found it interesting twice now
In post 1453, Infinity 324 wrote:Unwnd have you posted a lot this game just cause other people have
Idk I did mention try to keep my post count down early on, I haven't really done that but
I guess it seems a bit +scum to me that you haven't seemed to try to keep your post count down
Though I understand if you just don't really try to begin with in a plist like this
I get why you asked it now, i didnt the first time around
I hmm said something like it didnt have a lot of soul or conviction behind the accusation and was more of just a curiosity since it didnt really seem to accuse unwnd of anything. I certainly dont do that exclusively as scum, although probably more often since i usually have a harder time thinking of things to say
Looking through i tonewise find infinity's resignation to go out / die in the dungeon towny but well, you know how that is. Deeply interested in infinity's chrome read
In post 1060, Infinity 324 wrote:Sometimes I wonder what it takes to get people to TR me as town
but if your range is pretty good then it would just remain in a box
My range is theoretically pretty good but in practice I'm inconsistent.
I probably shouldn't be complaining because I'm usually towny d1 as scum but so are like isis and you. Idk
Kinda like this area too >.>
About the Chrome read -- I was wondering earlier about the discrediting Chrome thing being a scum motivated strat, but i think if Infinity were on a scumteam you wouldnt have her do it, no one would listen and really i think all you expect to accomplish is TMIing Chrome town. So i wonder why scum!Infinity places faith in that read, seemingly. Don't have any more time to look but i think depending on how im feeling there, it could be relevant
In post 1773, Morning Tweet wrote:srcks/infinity being the ones (currently) voting to end the day early is funny coincidence with the random vibe team (With Infinity putting it X-1!) How else are you gonna get my... useful..... ish thoughts if thread's not open at 5 am
Although Johnny/Isis did too course
i genuinely dunno what the thought process was even at the time cause it seems like everything was still getting hashed out or hadn't been hashed out yet with regards to dictator ydrasse
koba, what don't you think is towny about mt, might help here
i'm judging her to my experiences with her and also just liking her contributions this game
p-edit: oh my god. i don't want to create more confusion but i don't want mt to die. i don't want her in the group at ALL but it's the easiest way with 1 hour left
In post 1885, Isis wrote:I'm worried about changing the plan and reaching a point where there is plausible deniability for not following plan I get so stressed about it
In post 1885, Isis wrote:I'm worried about changing the plan and reaching a point where there is plausible deniability for not following plan I get so stressed about it
^
me: mt is really towny, i dont want her in these groups
people: it could be confusing to change things up because people could deny they understood
me: okay, i still dont want mt dying though, so i want to switch these two people
mt and johnny: yup understood we got it!
me: okay cool
chrom: why are you causing confusion and doing this it's scummy
emily: yeah why do you want mt in the group that's so scummy :/
In post 1962, Ydrasse wrote:koba, what don't you think is towny about mt, might help here
i'm judging her to my experiences with her and also just liking her contributions this game
p-edit: oh my god. i don't want to create more confusion
but i don't want mt to die
. i don't want her in the group at ALL but it's the easiest way with 1 hour left
aaaaaaaaaa i was not expecting this at allll
pedit: Chrome's critique makes sense to me, they're tinfoiling that you're saving me because im hard pocketed by you if youre scum and maybe ur teammate is about to kill the dungeoneers. I don't really think that's the case but i can see the rationale there especially for one that doesnt hard TR you, just has you as TL with paranoia
However emily's critique lost me i dont know what it means
i can get the rationale in a vacuum but it doesn't make sense to me in context because literally all 4 of the people in the group townread/townlean me so it's just like... okay you're my partner cool, why do i draw attention to it like this at eod when i know it's literally scummiest, instead of assuming the two other townpeople in the dungeon are going to also go to the dungeon so they don't die/get scrutinized heavily the next day? doing something that only calls attention to my position like that is the exact opposite of what i should be doing there
like idk @koba, take this as you will, i appreciate that you think i am a very good scum player and ive started believing it myself but i have just had two of the most grueling/attention-needing scum games back to back and i do not believe i could physically muster the energy to keep up in another one following, and i wouldnt do something that makes me have to answer more and more things about why im doing it if i was because i would be too drained
which sounds attractive to me
