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I noticed that the site meta has changed over time.

It used to be that power roles were helpful to the town, and that claims helped solve the game. This is no longer true.

I just finished playing Sybil's Elegy which was a great example of the role distribution being designed to confuse at best, and F up at worse, the town. I have played others with similar anti-town mod shenanigans.

Here's the deal.

We should not claim, ever.

Treating the game as mountainous will increase our chances of winning.

What we should do (and I include vanilla townies) is to crumb our night choices somehow BEFORE the night. Vanilla townies must crumb fake targets.

When you're dead, and we know your role and alignment, we can go back and use the crumbs for the solve.

Solving games by way of RESULTS and CLAIMED ROLES will not work. It just doesn't work anymore.

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Playing like this is mountainous will not increase winrate at all. Mountainous games get a win rate lower than theoretical random elims.

Did you read my post?

Crumb your targets and results.

If a player is run up to E-1, and claims anything, hammer away. Claims have become mod shenanigans. They make the game WORSE than mountainous.

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VOTE: Dwlee99

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you're still able to check it for balance and figure out roles.

Nope.

That's how we're going to lose the game, and by "we" I mean the town, not you, scum.

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What about a neighborhood with two traitors, the town kills one, then the other traitor is treated as conftown because no mod would have a neighborhood of two traitors?

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lol nero and dwlee are absolutely howling right now

yes

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VOTE: kyouko

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everyone is saying he is town but i dont think so

VOTE: osuka

I agree with you

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everyone is saying he is town but i dont think so

VOTE: osuka

There once was a time when power roles helped the town. Lately, mods are distributing roles in such a way that power roles HURT the town. I spent a whole game fighting townies who thought I was scum for being a vanilla cop (aka "PR hunter" they said) for example. And the neighborhood with two traitors had me see red, because when one is dead, the other "becomes conftown" and here we have role distribution meant to HELP the already informed minority.

Can you guys at least get on board with crumbing your targets, and if you're vanilla,

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leaving fake crumbs?

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Power roles only matter when they are DEAD and their roles' alignment is revealed.

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The most important part of my suggestion has been lost in a pedantic argument about my sanity and dwlee's defense of pre-mod-shenanigans play.

Can we all agree to crumb targets, vanilla included?

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Crumbs should be discrete.

I'm not suggesting bold allcaps announcements with a bugle band.

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But if we know that everyone is doing a crumb, scum will be looking for them. And if they are too discrete, then how will people find them even on a death?
I get what your going for but it doesn't work.

Be creative.

Say you're a jailkeeper. There are so many words associated with incarceration, just use one of them. The scum will be none the wiser.

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DGB, who do you think is scum getting your point lost?

All of them

Breadcrumbs should be incomprehensible until your role is revealed by the mod, everyone seems to confuse breadcrumbs with bullhorns.

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Titus, Kyoko is scum.

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Be creative.

Say you're a jailkeeper. There are so many words associated with incarceration, just use one of them. The scum will be none the wiser.

I'm a jailkeeper.
Tonight I'm going to visit my cousin Billy. He has a cat called Anya and I will not let the cat outside tonight because its raining.

How about

"Anya, any updates about the cell mate in your PT?"

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I can't wait to fly this Halloween and shine some bright lights out of my behind towards Rathe.

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Titus, Kyoko is scum.

From what was said in the PT or from main game?

Both

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oops i just dropped my

491 revolver

that i use for cooking betting go into my workshop

gun room

so i can get a replacement before

petapan

does

still waiting on whatever happened in that pt, this is important

for the first day it was just me posting in there asking if anyone else was there bc i couldn't tell and also wasn't sure whether everyone in there is town or not

and then kyouko showed up and started jokingly claiming wolf but in a really weird way it was like he had a guilty conscious and wanted to get it off his chest but try and make it look like a joke

i'll give you a paraphrased example of what he said: "Sup I haven't played scum before but I'm gonna be pocketing you, it's nothing personal and I won't mind if you push me ftr"

and then i questioned him on it and he jokingly deflected and eventually said he was completely joking and he's definitely town but the way he's nervously declaring himself a city dweller feels really weird

Idk everything in that pt feels like a joke, like anya is crumbing all kinds of different roles but she crumbed traitor first and I think she's just crumbing others now to throw me off. I'm just going to keep an EYE on her tonight and by eye I mean GUN

I believe you.

VOTE: Anya

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Breadcrumbs should be incomprehensible until your role is revealed by the mod, everyone seems to confuse breadcrumbs with bullhorns.

so if im vanilla i can crumb anything right

Yes!

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I'm getting really intense townvibes from Dragon of the West.

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Huh. ssbm is very scummy but I'm hesitant to lim him because of the neighborhood. Also Dragon of the West and osuka are townreads from reading the past few pages.

Neighborhoods are a good source of mod fuckery and I will make no alignment assumptions from its existence.

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I just don't understand how it is town-indicative for DGB to do very little except to talk about (what we agree is) anti-town mechanical play, but it is scum-indicative that I disagreed with it and discussed it in the beginning of the game. You accused me of trying to appear busy by talking about it (on page 1 and 2 no less) but you're fine with DGB posting about it in two digit pages and contributing little elsewhere.

Is is NOT anyiyown mechanical play.

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Dragons of the West literally vibrates townie wavelengths and everyone voting rmthis slot is confscum.

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Wow both Anya and kyuoko are scum.

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If Kyo and Anya are the only people in the neighborhood, it could not even be a neighborhood and they could just both be mafia doing some weird gambit.

this literally never happens

Recently there was a neighborhood with two scums who made a big show of scumhunting for the third member.

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Dwlee is still scum for being persistently salty that people town read me instead of scumreading me as was his plan.

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in fairness DGB could just be scum, I'm not like Peta and thinks it's impossible to post 17 as scum

Because I townread DotW?

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If Kyo and Anya are the only people in the neighborhood, it could not even be a neighborhood and they could just both be mafia doing some weird gambit.

this literally never happens

It felt dumb to type that but honestly nothing about that pt makes sense. Neither of them have explained themselves in a way I consider to be satisfactory and now with minimal information about what was actually said in the pt, Anya is completely with Kyo to the point that they're sheeping

That's why both need rope.

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Ironically STD is also a pretty safe vote.

STD is always scummy and scum can always safely sneak their vote through or push for his elimination.

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nom sounds like irritated town.

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nom and nero are tvt.

Nah, Nero is scum.

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I don't want to think about the neighbors right now.

Well I do because they are both scum.

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VOTE:

yes, well, there is obvious incentive for scum to fake scumhunting in that situation. in a situation where neither are in a hood, claiming to be in a hood together is a terrible play because if one ever flips the other is doomed. it's not a gambit anyone realistically attempts

I'm fucking stupid I didn't think about how them being 'neighbor' would be shown in their role if either of them flipped. Still, since they're the only 2 in the hood they could both just be scum. I just hate everything about their interactions/explanations

That's the site meta these days, it's probably some amti-town landmine from the mod.

But neither look town.

Especially given how quickly in the game Anya started to flex being a neighbor and making a huge theatrical production of it.

That REEKS of scum neighbors so bad.

VOTE: Anya

This slot needs to be cleansed with a flame thrower.

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Traitor traitor again? Or is it scum traitor or is it scum scum? Which you liking the best?

As scum, you should know the answer to this question. Which is it?

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@DotW

Can I convince you to vote Anya?

Coming out as a neighbor and starting neighbor drama so early in the game has been bugging me from the beginning, and the more I think about it, the scummier it is.

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nero is back to fucking howling, huh

He's really slimy and manipulative in this game.

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I think claiming the hood early is the best thing to do as town unless you can convince me otherwise.

It's not "the best thing to do as town" because given that hoods have zero alignment information, it's a pointless distraction to scumhunting - like your entire iso.

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@Dwlee "hoods are great to claim because they probably have scum"

I guess you're right since they're both scum

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Nomnomnom is Town. If anybody tries to execute there, they’re Scum. Just so we’re clear.

I agree.

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I am keeping my vote on Anya for healthy competition but I will vote Nero gladly.

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DGB if you think anya/ssbm are scum together what do you think of peta saying that's unlikely?

Peta is entitled to his opinion, you manipulative little scum.

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@Dwlee "hoods are great to claim because they probably have scum"

I guess you're right since they're both scum

You can just say you agree with me that it's best for town to claim the hood now, y'know.

Only if they are scum making theater. Both need to die.

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Nero said I'm tunneling on him

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DGB calling me scum ad nauseam vaguely feels like how she's pushed me before as scum. If the hood is T/T then there's some basic scum motivation to want to push there.

The push on me is also sort of incomprehensible.

Caught for the wrong reasons.

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DGB calling me scum ad nauseam vaguely feels like how she's pushed me before as scum. If the hood is T/T then there's some basic scum motivation to want to push there.

Six degrees of OMGUS.

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What if we just linked arms, sang a happy song, and yeeted Dunnstral out of this atmosphere?

I can always get behind a Dunnsrtal yeet, context be damned.

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What do you think of Rathe?

I could compromise on that slot sure.

You guys realize you're posting this in the game thread and not the scum PT, right?

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Wow both Anya and kyuoko are scum.

is your case on anya that she is voting a slot you like?

Are you high?

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VOTE: Nero Cain

The neighbors are still scum.

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Dunnstral is the biggest lurksack of the game right now.

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The Nero wagon is terrible. Mainly from who's on it alone.
Each one on the wagon give a 1 liner why for my tiny brain why.

Evaluating wagons based on who is on them is a losing strategy on Day 1.

Nero's iso is nothing but misreps and opportunistic manipulation. He is not scum hunting, he is trolling the town.

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Peta, I'm convinced that if I told you my favorite Wawa smoothie you'd think it was scum-indicative.

You've got this weird shtick this game whining about players that scumread you instead of scum hunting.

It's probably alignment-indicative.

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Maybe players are "echoing" each other because their arguments are more convincing than trolling scum.

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Of course players would agree with each other, if they didn't, we'd only have vanity wagons and no eliminations.

Only scum would shame players in the process of reaching a majority opinion/compromise.

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Easy wagons often have bus'ing scum, I'll never slam the brakes on a wagon due to speed.

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Easy wagons often have bus'ing scum, I'll never slam the brakes on a wagon due to speed.

big I'm scum that knows scum is on this wagon vibes

And people are asking for examples of misreps

I made a general statement... and there's almost always scum on big enough wagons...

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Sigh

Nom is town.

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I'm happy to end the day. But it's me or Nom.
I'm sure Nom is just waiting a while now to say they were busy.... but that's just convenient, don't buy it.
Plus I see the post thread view count going up so someone keeps checking in without posting.

Mind you

VFP could be bus'ing.

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I'd be remiss to point out that nom has very much self voted as town and I think it was not the hammer vote. Could nom and/or his scum team play up and fake this to get a town read? sure

This sounds pretty risky, what's with all the bone head takes?

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Is nom town or is VFP bussing?

That's what I'm trying to figure out.

I'm townreading nom, but VFP's behavior is classic bus'ing, VFP is so sure nom will flip scum and he will bask in towncred, it gives me pause.

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scum self vote as ATE sometimes. town certainly self vote out of frustration.

Why are you calling me scum but talking to me lke im town?

Nom sounds like town frustration.

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There's also a bunch of half-naked and naked nom votes, easy for scum to hide behind VFP's tunnel/fake-gladiate if he's town.

Lots of possible scenarios.

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scum self vote as ATE sometimes. town certainly self vote out of frustration.

Why are you calling me scum but talking to me lke im town?

Nom sounds like town frustration.

can scum be frustrated too?

Of course but as town, you play like an individual; as scum you have known team mates to answer to. Personally I'd be very ashamed to self-vote as scum, letting down my buddies. As town i don't GAF.

We're all different and I shouldn't project my own ethics and feelings though.

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Self voting means nothing.
It's about the self hammering if you're really frustrated.

I'm sure once at E1 we will see some sort of "I'm not going to give up!" With a vote on me.

I, the Queen of AtE, disagree. Be banished!

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Hey peta, what are the odds that VFP is doing a textbook day 1 bus?

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If nom is perceived as a liability to the scum team, he's better dead day one.

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y bus nom when he could have just easily mislynched me?

I suppose he could bus both his buddies.

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what if i believe there is no scum between you two

What if I believe they are both scum?

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DOTW, Andre, Dunn are barely playing and the derek slot is still empty

dgb's approach to this 1v1 has been gross

The whole 1 v 1

is

gross, I am torn because I can't get the clarity I wish I had.

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If I'm a vig I'll vig Nero
If investigative I'll investigate Dwlee
If protective, I'll protect the obvious masons.

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Or they're both scum and one is guaranteed to bask in towncred after one dies.

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DOTW, Andre, Dunn are barely playing and the derek slot is still empty

Weird grouping of 3 when I've been just as active if not more active than T3 and Kyo. Not everyone can post 50 times a day

The data:

Dragon of the West

Jun 01, 10:11pm Jun 07, 11:10pm 0 days 0 hours

37

T3

May 31, 08:26am Jun 07, 09:21pm 0 days 1 hour

34

ssbm_Kyouko

May 31, 04:41pm Jun 07, 04:02pm 0 days 7 hours

30

Anya

May 31, 09:51am Jun 06, 11:20pm 0 days 23 hours

21

Andresvmb

May 31, 02:41pm Jun 06, 04:19pm 1 day 6 hours

21

Dunnstral

May 31, 04:00am Jun 07, 05:15am 0 days 18 hours

9

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T3, Anya

and

Kyouko

don't make it in Nero's list. why

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everyone is already scum reading you Titus.

You're not everyone Nero.

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If you were town I don't think you spell out that they are masons b/c on the offchance scum hadn't picked up on that you don't let them know.

If you were town you would have kept it quiet and let the scum go on a wild goose chase for the "obvious masons."

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if one of those lims gets through we don't treat the other like conftown

You said it better than me.

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it's a bizarre move too because dgb prior to that had been all about saying nom is town and defending him hard, but suddenly because of vfp's tunnel he could be scum who is being bussed. i don't see why that would be the assumption anyone goes to rather than vfp being scum pushing a townie

.VFP is too "certain" - that's why it looks like a bus.

As I said earlier, I have to consider these possibilities.

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it looks way more like attempting to grease the wheels for making a nom vote acceptable, like why is the scenario of vfp being scum doing a shitpush on nom not considered

If nom greenflips then VFP risks being vig'ged or yeeted.

I mean I could see TvT but he's So. Sure.

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I am very keen on kyouko, Anya or Nero.

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you town read nom

vfp hard pushes nom

you think it could be a bus

but the common denominator is that VFP is scum in both of those situations (for you) so...worry about nom's alignment?

Unlike you, I am not informed minority and I am not sure VFP is scum either.

I am weighing probabilities.

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y aren't you talking to VFP?

And say what???

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oh fuck, it's one of these days huh? i get off work and there's 20 pages

Yes, and they're deplorably devoid of signs of intelligence, just have a nightcap and hit the sack.

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and they're deplorably devoid of signs of intelligence

rude and descredity

Just beating osuka to the punch

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and they're deplorably devoid of signs of intelligence

rude and descredity

Just beating osuka to the punch

he's still better than you.

rude and descredity

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VOTE: Chaos

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Oops meant to say more, I feel like if Chaos saw the screen dripping red when opening the role pm that it gives credence to the idea that there are a lot of scum in less active players. I imagine: "hey y'all how is it going what has happened that I need to know" *crickets* but this is all just conjecture.

I don't want to discount highly active, aggressive and motivated scum, but the multiple personality slots carry more scum than random. Eventually they get filled by an aggressive player that is hard to yeet. I've been burned many times.

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Vax

She thinks ridiculously overconfident hot takes from me means I'm scum, let me buy you a beer.

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She thinks ridiculously overconfident hot takes from me means I'm scum

Does it not?

It's looking more and more like you do not like me on a personal level.

I am still town.

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Kyouko is trying to protect Chaos, judging by the timing.

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Kyouko is trying to protect Chaos, judging by the timing.

Not sure it's a protect of Chaos. It could be Dunn. It could also be going for the biggest threat, especially if Nero is scum.

Good point.

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VOTE: Chaos

DGB, can you enlighten me here. We're looking at only 2 posts to go off

Just a player who got demotivated when opening a red role PM.

From experience, these slots are often scum and get bus'sed because they are a liability to the scum team.

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I just checked if Chaos was replacing someone... this player isn't even in the list or am I blind???

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Yeah Chaos replaced Derek12 and Vax replaced Nom

So that slot got a double dose of lurksacks?

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back to thinkign the votes on chaos re too easy relative to the enormous resistance to dunn (titus wagon is bigger so went there)

and yes t3 vote is not happening

Fast wagons on a slot that is a liability, means bus'ing to me.

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VOTE: Chaos

DGB, can you enlighten me here. We're looking at only 2 posts to go off

Just a player who got demotivated when opening a red role PM.

From experience, these slots are often scum and get bus'sed because they are a liability to the scum team.

I wasn't demotivated after opening my role PM, I was sent my role asking for confirmation with my replacement announcement not posted in the game. I confirmed and asked if I had to wait to post. By the time it happened, I had started work for the day. I got demotivated trying to read through this entire game.

Anyways, looks like you guys are cool with letting Dunn do nothing and get away with it, so have fun with that. I'm VT.

Ah, OK.

VOTE: Dunn

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VOTE: Dunn

HAMMER

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i need someone not already on his wagon to vote so i can hammer

Shame on you for not playing along!

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Can we at least get a claim first?

Sorry we're not letting scum fakeclaim anymore so sad for your team.

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I always consider the possibility that my read may be wrong. Why would you want to frame that as scummy?

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why did they kill nero lol

To help the town?

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I think we just go Titus.
Scum killing Nero show either a threat there or setting up Titus more. However, I don't think they target Nero as a protective PR, meaning that this wasn't a consideration when killing and most likely means Titus is lying.

VOTE: Titus

Lying about what?

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VOTE: Kyouko

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what if i believe there is no scum between you two

What if I believe they are both scum?

The amount of times I’m finding myself thinking that DGB’s takes are just literally unbelievable or bad is astonishing. I hate almost every single take they’ve expressed.

I would agree were it not for the rampant trolling of towns by mods, nowadays.

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ChaosOmega is still scum.

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I read through the whole game last night, but got distracted and also my eyes glazed over reading all of this. I want to go back over the nom and VFP thing, but at first blush it reads as TvT.

VOTE: Dunnstral

There's been multiple lurkers this game, but Dunn has been active lurking the entire day posting essentially 0 content. Not crazy about Titus either, but I'm usually not in games we've played together, and the claim makes me less interested going that direction. T3 has pinged me, but he seems to be in a lot of people's town piles and we're close to deadline, so I'll table that for the time being.

CO tells us that there are many lurkers, but Dunnstral, who flipped town, was among the worst.

CO is not crazy about Titus; I have reasons to believe that Titus is town in this game.

CO is very happy to say T3 has "pinged him" then uses other people townreading T3 and a looming deadline to "table" this ping for now.

Followed by T3 voting CO,

I read through the whole game last night, but got distracted and also my eyes glazed over reading all of this. I want to go back over the nom and VFP thing, but at first blush it reads as TvT.

VOTE: Dunnstral

There's been multiple lurkers this game, but Dunn has been active lurking the entire day posting essentially 0 content. Not crazy about Titus either, but I'm usually not in games we've played together, and the claim makes me less interested going that direction. T3 has pinged me, but he seems to be in a lot of people's town piles and we're close to deadline, so I'll table that for the time being.

VOTE: choas

What about my post did you find scummy?

The rest of his iso is asking pointless questions from Titus and T3, with zero follow up, and no evidence of actual scum hunting.

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Kyouko is trolling scum who just produces lists of people they would be willing to yeet.

I can see why Anya said that Kyouko is also trolling their neighbor PT, with game posts like "Kek" "420" and "Ooh top?"

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Anya is literally dunking on town bloc of myself, Titus and DotW, with a brief interlude of ribbing CO.

Otherwise Anya's iso is the most devoid of content of the entire game. She shows up occasionally to snipe at townies from the safety of a back row seat.

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VOTE: Anya

Anya is the scummiest player in the game.

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DGB + DotW + Titus all just insisting they are a town block gives me the heeby jeebies.

explain

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I hope there's more to Andre's catchup, so far I am not impressed.

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DGB + DotW + Titus all just insisting they are a town block gives me the heeby jeebies.

In case people ever need to come back to this to solve the game, I can only confirm DGB and myself as town. Titus is just a read right now

Titus is a better player than Dwlee, we'd have been a NK if she was scum.

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DGB's given all of the kibble to the wolves and forgotten the village needs food too there's not 15 wolves in this game

i missed it my bad

prodding anya and ChaosOmega

finetune your prodding device i didn't get any

Can we wipe this no-effort scum ooze?

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UNVOTE:
Mm

You can vote Anya and redeem yourself.

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I agreed with the sentiment, which is that Dwlee is frustrated with players defending one another.

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a lot of people doing nothing

Anya

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VOTE: STD

STD is always scummy, you need to meet a higher burden of proof.

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Are you going to say anything ssbm?

Oh weird my text didnt join. I said:

I love a good pagetop

The neighbors are scum.

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i dunno why i'd be roleblocked when i was a claimed neighbour

maybe peta is wolf who was role stopped by a friend

Said the scum

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If it's scum anya, it's crumbs for a fake that DotW took off the table.

so she claims an announcing role instead? shut up titus

What is announcing?

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also i think dwlee-scum has maybe the least motive to kill nero out of anyone in this game tbh

anyone else i can see reasons for, but him? mehh

There is more than one scum who could have reasons.

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Why isn't Anya happening today? That claim reeks of being coached and flubbed.

Anya's whole iso is 100% flub.

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I’m inclined to believe Titus’ skepticism of the claim is Towny, not Scummy. I don’t think there’s much of an incentive to question that claim from a Scum perspective.

Agreed.

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Ah actually, maybe osuka on a good day. Which is why I asked them to provide their thoughts. But they haven’t really tried to solve too hard and I’m somewhat skeptical there still.

osuka is in this game???

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I'm not even claiming I have a great handle on the game

I'm old enough to remember when you were singularly obsessed with scum reading me for not liking my avatar color scheme.

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I just realized something. If I am correct on my theory, it makes town neighbors less likely. Permission to out my theory DotW?

I've been wanting them both dead for a long time.

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arguments that the neighbors must be scum if there are masons

I AGREE

but

Anya and Kyouko were objectively scummy.

Anya literally claimed mason, which made me jump off my chair.

And then Anya keeps shifting and obscuring the claim... and the results... no bueno and muy scummo.

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DotW/DGB do either of you claim mason?

I'm really not inclined to answer this coming from someone who I'm SRing and couldn't take the time to answer any of my 5 million questions directed at them.

I'm going to wait for DGB to get back in here before saying anything else

Say as little was possible.

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gna be honest i think the flip-flop on dunn is way more likely to be town-ai for someone who isn't a complete noob, b/c i've had sequences like that as town but rarely as scum

The flip flop onto a building wagon that flips Town you think indicates Town? I’m really not seeing that.

scum, at least experienced ones, tend to be more willing to remain consistent in their stances rather than making moves they know will be seen as opportunistic where town is more prone to changing their mind

thats not a hard read or anything tho

I very much agree with this.

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they see me as a platform to elevate themselves

Your red flip will do that, yes.

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arguments that the neighbors must be scum if there are masons

I AGREE

but

Anya and Kyouko were objectively scummy.

Anya literally claimed mason, which made me jump off my chair.

And then Anya keeps shifting and obscuring the claim... and the results... no bueno and muy scummo.

i'm really not sure how to read anya. she's an extremely tricky read and i think that's on purpose

ive seen her scum and town play recently and honestly i couldn't tell a fucking difference. i wouldnt be surprised if she flipped green here if there arent any masons in the game

The ever shifting claims and results from Anya does her in, she is scum.

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Look at her progression from "no visitor" to "no result." It's genuine.

Disagree.

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VOTE: dgb the last person neo cain said was scum is dgb and now hes dead. so dgb is my top target for now

Paragon of scum hunters has entered the chat

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I also have a hard time entertaining the idea that scum somehow blocks town!anya last night.

Right?

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I think SSBM would be a better flip.
If scum have knowledge of Anya having a power, it's because SSBM is scum with a power.

If its S/S in the hood then Peter/Cyrus is scum with then.

I do not see this equivalency: highly speculative.

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There is more than one way to get a no result pm in that situation.

How? Other than scum blocking?

If it was town they would have come forward!

I think there are so many possible explanations that since Anya claims 2-shot we should let her try to action again.

No

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If she doesn't have a result pm tomorrow then by all means throw her out a window.

You're just giving her more time to feed us fake results.

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If she doesn't have a result pm tomorrow then by all means throw her out a window.

Anya needs the yeet.

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i wonder what dgb feels about all these mechanics

[intensity=250]rage[/intensity]

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if anya is scummy get rid of her if she is not then dont but basing it on her role only can hurt us later

That's what I'm saying. She's scummy.

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Now this is kind of crazy but if we want to we could mech-yeet Titus to make Cyrus into just a vengeful vigilante and leash his kills.

Let's not.

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I am confused too. Ask the mod?

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but then I realized she might actually be a mason with a different partner. I am VT

What did I just read

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So if ssbm is honest, anya is lying...

YES SHE IS

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I actually believe Kyouko.

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getting strange vibs from dw and anya

You are not alone.

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Titus I trust in you to have better reasons for eliminating someone than "how could we ever trust someone that has lied before!"

You wrongly scumread me for way flimsier reasons.

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i was always a neighbour

Why is this scum still alive?

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but yeah titus is trying to argue me changing from no visitors to no result in a few min is some kind of planned thing that i did as wolf

or i for some reason decided to lie and change the clime straight away as wolf

she definitely doesn't believe the in beans she's taking out of the tin

Titus is correct.

You claimed a result that was falsifiable. Then you realized the error of your ways and backtracked.

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you dont confuse night actions. it would have said you have no result. plain as day.

No result is very easily confusable with "No one visited" or something similar. The wiki even has a clarification on things about how not seeing anyone isn't the same as no result.

i think your defending here means your scum. i have already decided on who im babying siting tonight.

Dwlee/Anya/???

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Also Osuka tell me who is scum cause honestly I'm just working from a PoE right now and your name stuck out cause I haven't seen you do anything.

You are scum
The players you defend are scum
The players you push are town

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Where's the lie?

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i could see him knowing anya is town n protecting her so that if we see her flip town he can get on everybody

He could have whiteknighted me, too, I'm town.

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Oh alright, it looks like Dwlee is just a townie with a broken scumdar.

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And honestly maybe Anya is a scum voyeur or something stupid like that but is Gypyx that mean to us?

Wanna point out also that Titus' logic is making zero sense and she has just been death tunneling this Anya/kill neighbors thing. I know that she can do it as town, but the way she is going about it makes me feel super bad about her slot this game. Like "how could we ever trust her about the no result if she lied about neighbors" is such a terrible line of reasoning and feels made up.

Finally you realize that scum voyeurs can be a thing and that mods lately are designing and distributing roles to mess with the town's ability to solve the game rather than help it.

You death tunneled me so much that you barely noticed there were other players in the game. I don't get why you're complaining about Titus tunneling?

I'm pretty sure Titus is town.

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gambiting masons

And by this I meant scum pretending to clear DGB, not actual masons.

Of course you'd trust fake masons over real ones if there were any.

You believe Anya Of The Many Lies. Of course you do.

Have you not wondered why Anya isn't suspicious of Kyouko being scum for going along with that so-called mason, then neighbor gambit????

It's because she is lying scum.

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sits on side line who to pick who to pick. i dont want to spend hours maybe days rereading this game.

We are all going who to pick who to pick.

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I believe it was done on impulse and with minimal forethought.

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Here is something else that seems too easy:

talk to me about osuka

{titus, rathe}?

what do u actually see from me that u think im mafia

it's more what you haven't done it's mostly a gut read based on active lurking

why do you think osuka is mafia?

VOTE: osuka

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What's wrong with Rathe again?

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why do you think osuka is town

I don't think osuka is town, the DGB jury is still out on that slot.

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but if u look at my iso u will see i am very town or at the very least not mafia

Like what?

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Like what?

what do u want to know

What makes you very town?

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Titus (2) : Anya - Cyrus62
Rathe (1) : osuka
T3 (1) : ssbm_Kyouko

These votes are just wasted.
Maybe it's just both Anya and Osuka. But I think Osuka is always the best lim today.
I feel like there's more people that town read Anya thank Osuka. If anyone feels different on that then voice your opinion.
Anya was at E1. Osuka feels like a hard resist at this point, even though Anya has more players town reading her.

They are a pretty scummy bunch, too.3

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First, she claimed mason.

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i'm a neighbour and proud and no amount of shaming is gonna make me forget my true identity

But the neighbor Kyouko was a lie.
No one has claimed neighbor with you.

DIE SCUM DIE

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i can't believe someone says they have a clear on you

I am sure that you don't like cleared townies.

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Okay so {VFP, Anya, Rathe} are like almost always Town here. I want to sheep them. And I do think Kyouko is likely Town after re-reading some of D1 - they were dangled as an alternative there to Scum a lot.

How is that?

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i can vote anya the problem is no one else does

I voted Anya all day yesterday, along with several others.

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Maybe I should claim.

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hold on i was reading n saw this

Spoiler:

kyouko's posting game things that make a little more sense in the dungeon now

he's still talking to me like he knows i'm town but whatever

VOTE: nom

can you elaborate

y would scum waste a post to ask their partner in thread to elaborate on their partner

To give them a chance to shine?

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Kyo scum knowing the Anya neighbor claim was a lie might lead to the decision to roleblock

If I were Kyo!scum and a player fake-claimed me as their mason, then neighbor, I would assume they are VANILLA trying to drawn the kill.

It would never occur to me that they are doing this as a power role.

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maybe osuka n nomnomnom r mafia i dont know about dwlee could be but not sure anymore

I still don't know why you see scum!osuka here
Also i saw you don't want to vote Kyouko and I don't know why, care to elaborate on that

I would be surprised if scum!nomnomnom would

defend one buddy

in order to get a player to

vote for his other buddy.

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If Kyouko's flips scum (which is likely in my vision of this game so far) then anya is pretty much town

I am not sure how to interpret this. Who wants to try?

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I'm pretty sure I mentioned I would push DW if it wasn't for the fact that I like my vote on Kyouko much better

Again pushing hard on Kyouko, not Anya.

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VOTE: VFP

I'm too lazy to point to all the posts that nom wrote against VFP, but it was definitely not bus'ing. Nom even did a phony meta dive against VFP.

VFP gets town points.

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VOTE: Anya

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What's the case on Andres?

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VOTE: T3.8

you're off your game you're getting downgraded

no u

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Do it.

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I'm gonna say T3 is town just for the premarital claim offer.

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Premature, autocorrect, premature. Not premarital you dumbass program.

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POE is Rathe, STD, Anya, ChaosOmega and Andres.

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how is T3.8 getting away with whatever sandbags he just threw at us about his role

THAT IS RICH COMING FROM YOU

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Not to completely speak for Anya here but "2-shot announcing voyeur that got blocked two nights" is a lot more straightforward and clear than "my role is good if it targets mafia so don't kill me"

But also mason, then neighbor. Which was false.

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he shouldn't wolves don't deserve air

Great game solving and scum hunting, scum.

Why are we even considering yeeting anyone else?

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T3 is town.

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T3 is town.

You really have no basis to say this to be honest.

No I do, the gauche attempt to draw a kill as vt is one such basis.

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the wagon dragged out and hasn't gone anywhere really suggests scum though.

That's meaningless, 2 scums are already dead, they can't swing wagons on town as nimbly as they'd like.

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DotW [...] seem like vastly superior choices to me

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If you think Anya is town and I'm evil you'll have to figure out why I spent all of yesterday saying Anya was a bad elimination and then randomly wagoned Osuka.

What if I think Anya is scum and you're not?

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STD is a bad vote. Sure nobody needs to listen to me but I really doubt it’ll flip Scum. Titus or DotW or T3 seem like vastly superior choices to me. But again, I need to finish reading. Unfortunately I have work to do.

What makes him town?
In one or 2 sentences.

He is confirmed to be town to me.

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STD is a bad vote. Sure nobody needs to listen to me but I really doubt it’ll flip Scum. Titus or DotW or T3 seem like vastly superior choices to me. But again, I need to finish reading. Unfortunately I have work to do.

What makes him town?
In one or 2 sentences.

Andres stop towntelling you're ruining my solve >:\

That is soooo townie.

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STD is a bad vote. Sure nobody needs to listen to me but I really doubt it’ll flip Scum. Titus or DotW or T3 seem like vastly superior choices to me. But again, I need to finish reading. Unfortunately I have work to do.

What makes him town?
In one or 2 sentences.

Andres stop towntelling you're ruining my solve >:\

STD is a bad vote. Sure nobody needs to listen to me but I really doubt it’ll flip Scum. Titus or DotW or T3 seem like vastly superior choices to me. But again, I need to finish reading. Unfortunately I have work to do.

What makes him town?
In one or 2 sentences.

He is confirmed to be town to me.

MOD PLEASE DELETE DUE TO MAJOR NEURAL SHORT CIRCUIT

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I mean please delete 3110

Just kidding but I wish.

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I confused dragons!!!

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DGB/DotW pick someone that isn't Anya to throw off the bus and we can discuss it. Don't want game to stall

We can't let Anya!scum continue indefinitely.

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Grrrrr

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Anya is scum and I'm not moving my vote.

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Anya is scum and I'm not moving my vote.

Okay but who else is scum?
Would you favour a no lim over a lim on Dragon? If it came to it.
Or no lim to basically anyone? If Anya wasn't a viable lim...

Maybe STD... he's always scummy.