Micro 1016 | Newbie Game But Not Really | Town wins

[Lukewarm]

Funny enough, I am an IC de-abler, mod cant confirm anyone until I am gone, smh

VOTE: Lukewarm

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: No lim

What? Why?

[Lukewarm]

Funny enough, I am an IC de-abler, mod cant confirm anyone until I am gone, smh

VOTE: Lukewarm

Enable
de-abler?
I disable your ability to go back to middle school grammar.

I am filled with great shame that when my brain looked for the opposite of enabler, it first came up with de-abler instead of the more obvious disabler

[Lukewarm]

@Lukewarm Fake IC reveal plan sounds good, I posted it

What does this mean?

[Lukewarm]

@Mod

I would also like confirmation on whether that was a legitimate game mechanic or not

[Lukewarm]

As well, since that’s the shit we’re dealing with - if the account’s sig/title/join date/anything looks off, assume it’s the fake

Now that I know that that may be a thing, I noticed that the fake post had a birthday cake because it was created today. So that is something else to look for.

[Lukewarm]

Also Lukewarm is actually an IC disabler, or I’m not an IC. Mod looked at my pm

But I'm not tho. I was just playing along with the joke I saw coming from Not_Mafia -> VFP

Although, you thinking I might have been serious does make me believe your claim that you got an IC role PM and were surprised that it was not confirmed by the mod

[Lukewarm]

@Lukewarm Fake IC reveal plan sounds good, I posted it

Wait. I think that this was supposed to read like you meant to post it in a mafia pt, but then accidentally put it in the main.

I think that Korina this has basically been mod confirmed as having received an IC pm, so, while it was a roller coaster, they ended up actually being an IC in the end lol

[Lukewarm]

Luke is very likely town, why vote them?

Aren't they disabling your IC?

[Lukewarm]

T3 is here?

Was that an alt slip?

[Lukewarm]

Oh good, I don't think T3 and I play enough games together lol

[Lukewarm]

From my pov, Korina is almost mod confirmed as getting an IC pm.

VOTE: Vax

[Lukewarm]

ANYTHING is possible after what we witnessed. You are also really good a theatre.

Do you think that the mod would feel the need to weigh in on theatre?

Spoiler:

Since it seems like there’s some confusion about who or what is controlling the fake Korina account, I’ll attempt to clear it up somewhat.

The account is owned by me and is not part of a mechanic used by another player. This is all of the info I will provide regarding it.

I am willing to hand over ownership of the account to Korina if they wish to do so.

Apologies for any confusion that this might have caused.

[Lukewarm]

@Lukewarm how self-conscious would you describe yourself

uhh, I can be, but not overly so normally I don't think.

[Lukewarm]

actually nvm I don't think there would be a jester in this game.
waiting on VC.

Of course there is a jester in this game, Not_Mafia already claimed

[Lukewarm]

Jester, Innocent Child, Day Vigilante

Are we reading the same thread?

[Lukewarm]

N_M doesn't count because he's a jester in every game regardless of what his role pm says.

If Not_Mafia is ever in a game and actually gets jester, can you imagine?

[Lukewarm]

N_M doesn't count because he's a jester in every game regardless of what his role pm says.

Dogman speaks the truth

Not_Mafia, don't listen to him. You will always count to me

[Lukewarm]

Not_Mafia seems the same as I have seen him in other games, where he has been town. I don't think he is in my poe for today.

[Lukewarm]

@T-

I mean, free money free tea, come talk to us

[Lukewarm]

It’s probably 7v2 if I had to guess, with no 3p/alt scumteams.
I am still thinking about what the mod posted under the account now that I’ve calmed down, and I think Luke is town simply because the mod mentioned them? Though, I could be heavily reading into this.

The rare mod-induced WIFOM dilemma

[Lukewarm]

I think that Lend probably just played into your IC claim -> my IC

deabler

disabler claim, and probably would have regardless of my alignment.

If I did not already know I was town, I would probably treat is as NAI

[Lukewarm]

Why the ACTAUL FUCK would scum!vaxANYONE push an IC?

Maybe because they had not been mod confirmed, and you wanted to discredit the claim?

Vax's response to the fake korina thing -> progression on me -> progression on korina just feels very off.

[Lukewarm]

We also already have a cop claim right?

[Lukewarm]

I'm a cop compulsive millerizer.

Looked back for the claim. If he really is a millerizer, then I could see up having more then 1 investigative role.

[Lukewarm]

Korina posts about T3. Yea, that looks real off. T3 not in game. Does not compute.

I just realized the mod deleted the posts from T3. Did you see that T3 posted in the thread before Korina mentioned them, or were they already deleted?

[Lukewarm]

So, I am not sure what to think about FMFT.

Because if he is T3, then I am not as concerned by his short posts, like 177. But T3's post (that have since been deleted) seemed like they were basically saying that his claim in FMFT's claim in post 40 was a serious claim. I wish the mod did not delete them, because now there are some people who saw them and some people who didn't, so we are working with different sets of info

[Lukewarm]

@Luke - I think we just move on with the day. While you are here, do you mind saying what your thoughts on a mass-claim is?

I am not sure how much it would help. I have never played a bastard game, but in normal games mass claiming is generally pretty bad.

If you think that it would help, I guess I am not totally against it, but I am not clear on the benefits.

So ambivalent I guess

[Lukewarm]

no way there are vt's in this game tho

what makes you so sure?

[Lukewarm]

I noticed something about my role pm. My role is called a "vanilla" townie as opposed to just a vanilla townie.
Hm.

Not sure that I believe your back track, mainly because of what you posted as T3... but if you are telling the truth, maybe Neapolitan?

[Lukewarm]

I know it’s not my turn to claim, but I feel I should.
I’m also a “Vanilla” Townie, I didn’t see the quotes first time.
Not sure what this means, but I believe FMFT is honest.
Or they wouldn’t have known about the quotes.
Unless Mafs are given fake claims on this site.

So we now have 3 people claiming "vanilla" townie?

@mod Did the scum team get a sample PM? Can we get a sample PM?

[Lukewarm]

If mafia were informed of a sample VT PM, then FMFT could still be scum.
If mafia were not informed of that, then FMFT *has* to be town.

That is basically the same thought I had when catching up

[Lukewarm]

Like, I feel like claiming just to ask advice.

I’m also a “Vanilla” Townie, I didn’t see the quotes first time.

If you did not notice the quotes, then why did you want to claim VT to ask for advice?

[Lukewarm]

Like, I feel like claiming just to ask advice.

I’m also a “Vanilla” Townie, I didn’t see the quotes first time.

If you did not notice the quotes, then why did you want to claim VT to ask for advice?

I also think Pickles is cleared from this too, simply because eir said e were tempted to claim to make sense of eir role.
Was that why you were debating on claiming originally?

Yes, I wanted opinions on if I was actually lacking abilities.
Because it felt weird when people thought it would be full of PRs.
But I wonder if we’re just normal now, and get different roles later?

I just saw that you answered that question as I was typing my question

[Lukewarm]

I think Pickles is town actually. Luke, since you're here, what are you?

I was given a role PM of being a Mason, and a link to a PT, but no one else is in there. Just me and Lend

The first message said that I could use the PT to target my ability, but my pm did not have an active ability, not sure what that is about.

Lend did not respond when I asked him

[Lukewarm]

I think Pickles is town actually. Luke, since you're here, what are you?

I was given a role PM of being a Mason, and a link to a PT, but no one else is in there. Just me and Lend

The first message said that I could use the PT to target my ability, but my pm did not have an active ability, not sure what that is about.

Lend did not respond when I asked him

Thinking maybe neighborizer?

[Lukewarm]

As much as I would say for you to target me, I'm absolutely certain I'm the kill tonight since I'm cleared and being very active in the thread.

who do you think I should target then?

[Lukewarm]

VT's might be scum?

I feel like we should elim 1 vt to find out what happens. Maybe they will flip scum or maybe they will flip town-?

That would mean 3 scum, and that seems like too many for a 9 player game

[Lukewarm]

If that is the sample role pm, then I think I am comfortable treating FMFT as town. I think I am against voting any of the "Vanilla" townie claims atm.

So, for me that leaves [Vax, VFP, Not_Mafia, OWER]

VOTE: VFP

[Lukewarm]

I also got a "Vanilla" Townie role PM.
I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that at least some scum are in the "Vanilla" category even if not all of them. So I think a lim in there is probably best.

...

I guess if there are more people claiming "vanilla" then I am less sure on 263

[Lukewarm]

What is going on?

Got a new roll PM and there is like 5 new pages.

New role is the "vanilla" Townie, catching up now

[Lukewarm]

So, uhh. Still very confused.

My original role PM was a mason role pm with vfp. Lend's first post in the role pm said that we could use the pt to target out abilities and that we must target someone each night, and they were "rolling thunder" "kick" "screw the mod" and "game over"

vfp said that we might be the scum team and not know it, I told him that I had never played as scum and that I had never played in a bastard game, and asked if it made sense for the scum to not know that they are the scum. He said it might be.

So I played through the day honestly not sure if I was a mason or scum

vfp said that claiming masons might be bad, because it did not seem like bastard enough, but also did not want to reveal out 4 abilities incase we really were the scum team.

I claimed solo mason, because I did not think of a lie ahead of time, but thought that would at least be a bastardized version of the masons.

[Lukewarm]

I wish korina had answered if they had checked to see if the posts had the "last edited by" line on them.

[Lukewarm]

Actually, no body claim their new roles, I want to check something.

[Lukewarm]

guys can someone pls help

"Screw you, this is a bastard game, we are reranding."

I don't think the we're reranding had anything to do with VFP specifically, lend was typing out a full sentece.

I just checked, and lend's post came right after Not_Mafia claimed VT, which was the point where every player had claimed a role.

This might be a punishment for mass-claiming

[Lukewarm]

It does feel like a punishment (hence Korina dipping).
Not sure if the slot is scum now though.

Well, something I am considering is if we were reranded the roles that were claimed, instead of the original roles?

I claimed solo-mason, so maybe that is why korina would have ended up solo-mason.

[Lukewarm]

I am probably going to be absent from the thread for the next 24ish hours. Having an allergic reaction to my cat's new flea medicine, completely with severe migraine and nausea.

Will not be reading any threads for the near future.

[Lukewarm]

@Not_Mafia, not asking you to claim your current role, but what was your role before the rerand? was it really VT?

[Lukewarm]

My bad. I misremembered, and for some reason thought it was me, vfp, korina, and not_mafia at the end of the list. So we should have been the 4 who were the original PRs, but apparently it was Vax there lol

[Lukewarm]

The deadline will be frozen until a replacement for Korina is found.

What deadline? We have yet to be given a count down, or any vote counts lol

[Lukewarm]

tris replaces Korina.

24 hours have been added to deadline. The deadline has been unfrozen.

Can we have a countdown timer and vc?

[Lukewarm]

hi

Hello, welcome to the shit show

[Lukewarm]

who'se mafia?

I think that you might be, but there was a rerand. Much confusion

[Lukewarm]

i should probably read what's going on, because that sounds confusing

Me and VFP were given mason role PMs, but we think that we actually the mafia originally.

Everyone mass claimed, and as soon as the last person claimed, Lend sent out new role pms for every player in the game. I lost access to the mason chat. Korina gained access to the mason chat

[Lukewarm]

I think I would rather vote for the person whose slot is claiming to have access to what we think is the scum PT

VOTE: trist

[Lukewarm]

I don't know how voting the mod would even work

[Lukewarm]

Wait was someone modkilled?

No. Korina did something that arguably could have gotten them modkilled, but then they replaced out instead

[Lukewarm]

Did anyone who was cop in any of the earlier rerolls try to use their ability during the day?

[Lukewarm]

Oops

This one seems like a real alit slip

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: fmft

This should be the hammer I think

[Lukewarm]

@Mod

Can you confirm if you are here / see the votes on FMFT, so we know if the vote is or is not being accepted?

[Lukewarm]

so like most of this game is worthless for reading people?

Probably - we all got new roles as of page 19

[Lukewarm]

No one died?

I did not think we had any protective roles.

Did anyone have anything happen to them? The scum team has like 6 abilities

[Lukewarm]

Someone attempted to kill the mod, but the attacker was hit with a pan instead.

Oh. missed this line lol

[Lukewarm]

this might as well be day 1

You know what that means.

(cue Not_Mafia's intro again)

[Lukewarm]

I targeted VFP

[Lukewarm]

We already tried this.

We hit a majority vote on Lend day 1. Not_Mafia hammered with 441, after VFP, FMFT, Pickles, and OWER voted for him.

Clearly hitting majority on Lend did not win us the game. I mean, maybe it is the reason we Reranded soon after (post 450), but otherwise it did not seem to do much

[Lukewarm]

“Storming Thunder”, “Kick”, “Second Elimination”, “Game Over”, “Screw The Mod” and “Factional Nightkill”

Do you think any of these could be a Roleblock? Maybe Kick?

Did anyone get any kind of notification that anything happened to them?

When I was a Mason, I was told that we were required to use all of our abilities, and that all 4 had to target different people.

[Lukewarm]

Maybe everyone can try to reveal as an Innocent Child. Then, if a fake account posts, we can know if that is still a thing. Then we can figure out if that ability is activating for anyone, possibly someone who does not currently have an IC role PM

I am gonna use the same wording that Korina used, because it worked for them

I AM AN INNOCENT CHILD, MOD CONFIRM THIS

[Lukewarm]

To be clear, I do not currently have a Innocent Child Pm, but I think it might we worth testing

[Lukewarm]

5, 8, 21

This is the code I received before the re roll so I want to see if it doesn't anything in game.

Also I feel like there's 1 role blocking all roles right now.

0118 999 881 999 119 725 3

Did you also get a code on one of the rerolls?

Is there a third person who got a code?

[Lukewarm]

Leave Cupcake alone! >:|

You don't tell me what to do

VOTE: Cupcake

[Lukewarm]

Does anyone currently have a role that has redacted information?

[Lukewarm]

I get voting out scum reads, but we won't win with just random voting the entire time.
And I doubt that you all scum read Cupcakes here?

I was just kidding with my vote

UNVOTE:

I have 2 different theories that I am working on, but waiting to hear if anyone currently has a redacted role PM right now, also waiting to see if Lend does anything with all of the Innocent Child reveals.

[Lukewarm]

If no one else in any reroll has gotten a number code AND no one else in any reroll has had redacted information, then I am questioning if the claim .

VOTE: VFP

[Lukewarm]

Spoiler:

I was flopped on the situation

I accidentally flipped you guys.

I accidentally flipped you guys around

I am not sure why Pickles felt the need to explain this 3 separate times, literally back to back - so apologetic

@VFP
Any response here:

If no one else in any reroll has gotten a number code AND no one else in any reroll has had redacted information, then I am questioning the claim

VOTE: VFP

Any explanation on why you, and you alone would have got that kind of info during the rerolls, but no one else did?

[Lukewarm]

Who was originally cop?

Original PR claims were:

Vax - Cop
Korina - IC
Me - Mason
You - Mason

Everyone else claimed "V"T

[Lukewarm]

FMFT claimed VT 3 times in a row too though...

No, FMFT and Tris were the masons/mafia in the second bout of rolls

tris and I were mafia previously.

[Lukewarm]

@Vax, your original cop PR. Was it just a straight cop, or did it have any additional abilities

[Lukewarm]

So I feel like I have been able to track each of the PRs through the rerolls, and they have been somewhat consistent: 2x Dreaming God Mafia, Cop, IC, + 5x vt. Obviously the mafia know now that they should not claim until after a re-roll, so it has been

Cop: Vax -> OWER -> Cupcake
IC: Kroina -> Pickles ->OWER
Mafia: Luke -> Korina -> ?
Mafia: VFP -> FMFT -> ?

The cop has apparently been slightly different (such as being multitasking with something else) but each of them have been there.

The biggest glaring differences were FMFT's claim to be an informed friendly neighbor in set up 2, but he later confirmed he was a mafia that set up, and that is why he lied.

And then VFP's claim of a majorly redacted role. - I feel like that is the biggest mystery in the game atm.

I know that VFP was the mafia in reroll 1, because I was their partner.

I know that VFP was still lying in reroll 2, because they said Korina was lying about our chat - I was not sure what was going on, so I played along, but clearly VFP was lying in re-roll two. I think that VFP thought that the two of us might still be the mafia after the reroll. 2. I also thought that might be the case, and that is why I kept the mason lie up.

Now that we are in the 3rd reroll, I no longer think that we are still the mafia team. Specifically, once FMFT said that him and Korina were the mafia together in reroll 2, But I am worried that VFP is still maintaining their claim from reroll 2. I think they lied about it, and are still lying about it, so I think that they rolled back into the mafia.

I don't know what else we can go on right now, so that is where I am voting.

If someone can back up their claim of the existance of this mysterious 5th pr, I will re-evaluate, but for now I am happy with my vote.

[Lukewarm]

I mean it's possible that due to how bastard this game is there are just multiple cops running around (including also an SK) but I feel like that's unlikely since I feel like at least one of them should've gotten a guilty by now.

Except we haven't had 2 people claim cop in any reroll. Each reroll has been fairly consistent. 1 IC, 1 cop(with or without a bonus), 2 mafia, 5 vt.

The only exceptions were a lie from someone who walked it back after they stopped being in the Mafia (FMFT)

And VFP's claim, which they never walked back.

There is a singular anomaly, and that is the only direction I see for us to follow right now

[Lukewarm]

I think you are going to lay out the scum motivation a little better here for me to see it, because honestly, getting into a 1v1 with you most likely results in me being flipped tomorrow regardless of your flip. If you flip town, I am in the hot seat for pushing you. If you flip scum, then I am still a good flip because maybe our alignments are the same as they were in the beginning, and we are both still scum. The scum team should probably be laying low and hoping that the "lets just vote randomly" apathy that has shown up due to the confusion of this game continues, instead I am here trying to solve it.

I had 2 theories at the start of the day.

1) we were all still the same roles we were in the beginning, and the re rolls were all just smoke -- So yeah, I was worried that I might still be scum and not know it. That is why I wanted everyone to activate as ICs again. If it had worked for Tris, then her slot would still be the IC even though someone else currently has the IC role pm. But it didn't activate for Tris - so I am no longer worried that I am still scum.

2) I believed your redacted role PM claim, and I wanted to find out who had it now. I was going to suggest that we kill who ever had the redacted role pm, because I figured it might not be redacted when it flipped, and maybe we would have access to more information. But then no one claimed to have that role now - and that made me suspicious of you.


Things that I know.
-Roll 1, you were scum with me.
-Roll 2, you lied to the thread about us being scum team roll 1
-Also, during roll 2, I thought we both might still be scum, so I went with the lie
-Still during roll 2, you made a mysterious PM claim.
-Roll 3, there has been enough roll nonsense, for me to no longer think I am scum
-Also, during roll 3, you are still maintaining your mysterious roll claim.
-Still in roll 3, no one else has admitted to ever seeing your redacted roll claim.

I'm starting to scum read Luke here because they have an idea how I play and this isn't scum me.

This line is also absolute nonsense. I have played several games with you, but we have both been town in every game we have together. My only experience with scum you was THIS GAME, during the first roll. And in that little experience I had with you, what I saw was you coming up with a very detailed fake claim. It was good, but it also had a LOT of details. Enough that when I used your fake claim (sorry again for that lol) I trimmed off a lot of the excess details. - So you coming up with an elaborate fake claim is exactly how I have seen you play scum.

Once I accused you of it being a lie, my expectation was that town!you would have backed down from it, and admitted it was a lie to begin with, but instead you doubled down and decided to try and gladiate with me.

If you want me to focus somewhere else, and this goes to anyone, you gotta come up with somewhere else for me to look, because in the sea of confusion that is this game, this is the only clue I see on where to go from here, and succumbing to "lets random vote" apathy does not seem like a good alternative.

If you don't have anything better, then lets gladiate

[Lukewarm]

TL'DR, at the start of the day, I believed your claim, and was trying to find the person who had that role PM currently. No one has it, so now I think you were lying about it to begin with. Your response - doubling down on the claim, and threatening to gladiate with me - makes me think you still feel the need to lie to the thread, ie, you are scum again. If no one has a better idea, then I am down to gladiate you over this.

[Lukewarm]

Absolutely no interaction with anything I had to say in 599?

And no where better for me to look?

I guess I expected

something

from you.

[Lukewarm]

I tried to Cop VFP. Nothing happened.

I mean I based that off of this post lol

[Lukewarm]

Because I'm confident here that Luke is scum.
And if I'm lying then I'm obviously scum.

Luke knows that I am stubborn on 1 v1s and I think that's what he was hoping I'd town read him on. Town Luke is never in a position to be sure enough to accept my 1 v 1 though.

...or I'm lying scum.

Regardless just vote 1 of us.
Not doing a self hammer at E1 is a scum claim.

What in this entire game am I supposed to be looking at? Like, I specifically said that if anyone has any other direction for me to consider, I would look at it. You didn't have any other suggestion for me.

Like right now my choices are vote blindly, or 1v1 you over this. Its all I see. I choose the 1v1 every time. Even if I am wrong, it is more interesting then apathy voting.

[Lukewarm]

Absolutely no interaction with anything I had to say in 599?

And no where better for me to look?

I guess I expected

something

from you.

We both.know that's not how I work.
This is practically a scum claim from Luke.

What part of it am I supposed to know is not how you work?

When we were scum together, your fake claim was that you were a vanilla townie, who for some reason was given a link to a PT. In that PT, lend told you that you could target people with your ability, but you did not have an ability. You already decided that you had targeted multiple people, but lend ignored those.

Then in roll 2 you claimed a redacted role pm that you don't know what means, with some numbers on it. You don't know your role, but you confirmed it as a Day Vig (for some reason), and you were also given a mysterious group of numbers.

After seeing you come up with the first one as scum, what would make me think that you would not make up the second?

[Lukewarm]

My expectation for town!VFP was to either, admit that it was a lie from when you thought we were still the mafia team - or to try and come up with a way for us to use those clues to do something productive today.

Instead, your only response is to gladiate me over it...

Which makes me feel like you don't feel like you have a way out of this, and you are just hoping to kill me off before you go.

[Lukewarm]

Because I made the second claim when others were confirmed scum?
What's your argument here? Town me lies, but scum me keeps lying?

I'm sold on you being scum though.

My point was that in roll 2, you thought we both might still be scum. Which is why you lied about us originally being Masons.

When I saw Korina's claim to be in our chat, my first instinct was to just say she was scum claiming, but then I saw you lying, and I thought "huh. Maybe we are still scum?" and followed your lead.

I think that it is pretty clear that immediately after the re-roll, you thought you were still on the scum team. So, yeah, I think you made a fake claim.

But I think that if you got non-scum on the 3rd roll, you would not have been pushing that fake claim anymore, you would have realized that you were not scum and back off from the lie. Instead, you brought it back up today - adding to the confusion that is this set up.

[Lukewarm]

My expectation for town!VFP was to either, admit that it was a lie from when you thought we were still the mafia team - or to try and come up with a way for us to use those clues to do something productive today.

Instead, your only response is to gladiate me over it...

Which makes me feel like you don't feel like you have a way out of this, and you are just hoping to kill me off before you go.

When have you ever seen me be productive?
To be clear, I'm happy to be the first lim (due to another thought on the side). But if that happens there will always be a speed lim on you.

You're in a situation where you can't back out of it as am I.
So I'm not sure what the issue is here since to you I'm scum.

I mean, I guess this is not really the response I expected for town!vfp OR scum!vfp - so, not sure what to think as a result.

Maybe you are town, and I am just looking to find something that makes sense out of the chaos that is this game. Your claim is the biggest mystery, so that is where I looked.

But whatever. We can do the 1v1. If we are both town, at least town will go out in a flame of glory.

Everyone's post after this should be a vote for either me or VFP

[Lukewarm]

There's 100% chance of scum in us.
There's no trying to talk the way out of it tomorrow.

Was just confused by your response. Not trying to talk my way out of it. If I am right, I am right, and I caught scum. If I am wrong, back to back town only gladiations between [you,fmft] and then [you, me] is probably they funniest way for town to lose this game. I am ready for either outcome now lol

[Lukewarm]

Town Luke is never in a position to be sure enough to accept my 1 v 1 though.

...or I'm lying scum.

I was just thinking about this line. It is a weird impression you have of me if you really are town and think this, because I have very, very confidently been wrong in plenty of games. Including a game with you, when I was so incredibly confident that Catboi was scum lol

Spoiler:

I am not realizing that I have played another game where you were scum. I was just so sure you were town that game, that even looking back I did not remember it lol

[Lukewarm]

Blind confidence in my scum cases is like my thing vfp. Here I was thinking you knew me. smh

[Lukewarm]

Stop back tracking!

I'm not. If anything, you saying that after seeing how sure I was on both PearofClubs and Catboi that game makes me even more sure that you are scum

[Lukewarm]

I am fully ready for this 1v1.

[Lukewarm]

hmmmm

I was really sure that you were lying about your role pm, but I was also pretty sure you would admit it was a lie when pressured.

We can still gladiate, but I also want to think about the code. Pass the time while waiting for votes.

Did you check like the letters of the role pm that matched the numbers? Like the 5th, 8th, 21st letter?

[Lukewarm]

So far, I have checked everyone's join dates, no one is 5/8/21

Also checked lend's 5th, 8th, and 21st posts to see if he left something, also checked the 5th / 8th / 21st post in the thread.

[Lukewarm]

numbers to letters would be EHU, which looks like nonsense

[Lukewarm]

Hmm, no I just saw the word code. I put 2 and 2 together and thought that the numbers meant something.

If its real, you should still have access to the role pm right?

[Lukewarm]

So-

You are saying that you got a role PM with redacted information and a secret code, and you just deleted the message?

[Lukewarm]

You made me question it for a minute, but I am back to being fairly confident you are lying about the pm

[Lukewarm]

As I said, I know you're scum, you know I'm scum so I'm not sure what this dance is you're trying to do.

You made me question it for a minute

In the minute that I questioned it, I thought about trying to solve the code just in case I was wrong.

I guess you are more confident in this then I am lol

Honestly, I kinda feel like I got roped into the 1v1 thing. I never said I was 100% sure you were scum, just that I was suspicious of you. Your response was that you were suddenly 100% sure that I was scum - lets 1v1, and that did not exactly make me less suspicious of you, so here we are.

I only really agreed with it because I have no idea what else we could possibly do at this point.

That being said, if I am wrong this is the funniest way for us to lose - and I don't have any other leads - so might as well go for it.

[Lukewarm]

Your last two posts are a bit nonsense. Like, first. You were wrong about FMFT - he flipped town.

But also, what are you talking about in regards to me?

I saw something suspicious, so I explained why I was suspicious of you. And at the time, I specifically asked if anyone had any better leads. I was not 100% sure of my suspicions on you, but you were the only suspicion I had.

And your response was that now I am 100% scum in your eyes.

If I bring up my suspicions on anyone, and their immediate response is "welp, that just means your scum then" in what world would that make me less suspicious?

[Lukewarm]

Please show me where I ever said that I was 100% sure that you were scum.

All I did was outline why I was suspicious of you, and your immediate response was "welp, luke is 100% scum in my eyes lets 1v1"

I am not walking anything back - first post I made about you, I asked if anyone had any reason to think your claim was true. In my second post, I asked you if you (or anyone else) had any better ideas for places for us to look. I think that I have been pretty clear, that I was open to other ideas, but that you lying about the redacted info was the only suspicion that I had.

To be honest with you, your responses did not line up with my expectation of how you would respond. Either as town, or as scum. And that gave me pause. Turns out, some times people's reads have to adjust with new information. You made me unsure. So I thought, well. If I am wrong, I should at least look at the code. Leave the town something to work with later.

So you were suspicious of me originally, because I was too sure in my case (which is bs), but also if I dare to consider the fact that I might be wrong, welp that makes me even more scummy in your eyes.

I am not at 100% certainty on you, and never was. You were just my biggest - well only - suspicion, and you put us in this position.

That is still true, because absolutely has given us any better idea of where we should go.

I am not trying to get out of this 1v1 - But don't act like this was my idea. If my case really was wrong, and we both flip town, then all 3 back to back town miselims are on you.

[Lukewarm]

Unless you actually want anything discussed, you're just trying to clog up the thread and back pedal. We'll leave it to the voters, but you're getting limmed today or tomorrow that's the least of it.

Again, this is nonsense. When I brought my suspicions up, my expectation was that we (meaning everyone in the lobby) would discuss it. You are the one who decided it meant a 1v1.

Oh look, me thinking we would be discussing things today

Absolutely no interaction with anything I had to say in 599?

And no where better for me to look?

I guess I expected

something

from you.

[Lukewarm]

No matter what you think, or are pretending to think, I don't know. But, I was just trying to figure the game out. I was tracking the pr claims. I noticed a pattern, and I noticed that there was exactly one claim that did not fit the pattern, I became suspicious of that claim.

I explained why I was suspicious, and for some reason that means I am now locked into a 1v1 with you.

Like, isnt that how the game is supposed to work? I look for things I find suspicious, I bring them up in the thread, and then you and I and everyone else talks about it?

Whether you are scum or town or whatever, this response to me having suspicion on you certainly makes me enjoy the game less. Suddenly I am not allowed to talk about any of my thoughts on the state of the game without you responding to absolutely everything saying that I am trying to get out of a 1v1 that you put me into.

Maybe this is what you want, but I am officially ready to just check out of this game - My vote it on you, and it can stay there until the day ends.

If you flip town, I will self vote first thing tomorrow.

@Everyone

, feel free to hold me to this

[Lukewarm]

I don't care that you scum read me. I don't even care about this fucking 1v1. But I don't like being made to feel like I can't talk in the thread.

[Lukewarm]

Then talk in the thread.
Just stop talking at me to why I'm scum (not other shit, I don't care if its other shit) That makes no sense regardless of my align though.
All you have done is said what I do and don't do here... Even to the point of saying I don't keep PMs and that I'm lying there, instead of me, actually lying about what a PM says.

It's a circle that I really don't care for and is taking up too many pages where people are just going to lazily say something like T/T and try to write it off which is the opposite of what I want here.

If you want to say reasons for me scum tell them not me.

You're right. Why would I have ever tried to talk to you about why I am suspicious of you. Why should I have ever expected you to engage with that conversation. Why should I have tried to gauge your reaction, or see if you had any kind of defense or response to the things that I was suspicious of. How silly of me.

Clearly your only response/defense is "lol, you think I am suspicious. That must mean you are 100% scum." (Which is still a confusing response from either alignment by the way. I will stop talking to you about it.

@everyone else - I outlined what made me suspicious 593 and 599 in case anyone is interested.

I don't think my vote is moving at this point, because backing down after VFP's response... I would rather flip them, even if it is just spite. Like, their response makes me want to dig my heels in here if anything.

I am down to be flipped tomorrow regardless of how VFP flips, by the way. If I am wrong, then sure - flip me because of this 1v1 nonsense.
If I am right, you should consider the possibility that the original scum team has always been the scum team, and flip me anyways.

[Lukewarm]

i've a bad feeling about this wagon, but i'm having a hard time thikning about anything right now

That’s because I think Luke more likely scum here.
Normally town would be less scared of dying.
And VFP is asking to elim to prove Luke scum.
Whereas Luke is more trying to self preserve by pushing VFP.
Self preservation usually comes from scum.
It can come from townie with good utility though.

I am not sure that this is a very true representation of what happened...

I started pressuring VFP because I had a suspicion. Had nothing to do with self preservation, they were not talking about be at all.

VFP responded by deciding my suspicion on them meant I was 100% scum - which obviously did not make me less suspicion of them. So now we are in a 1v1 to the death for some reason. -- I have given up on this day having any actual discussion about my suspicions, so might as well see it though to the end at this point.

The more I think about it, their response makes no sense to me from either town or scum - which left me confused for a bit, but I no longer have the desire to keep trying to figure it out, because apparently trying to figure out their response is not allowed...

My only concern right at this point is that they might be a jester, given the fact that they 1v1 gladiated FMFT yesterday, and then immediately 1v1 gladiated with me when I had any suspicion on them. But if they are a jester, they can have the win for all I care at this point.

[Lukewarm]

Ah okay.
I have admittedly not caught up reading.
Thank for explaining your side of events for me.
VFP didn’t do that.
I’ll keep my vote on VFP and hope that you’ve caught scum.
With VFP reacting as badly as you say, this good elim.
Gonna be back reading entire thread later on.
If the day is still happening, I’ll post reads after.
If day has ended then GLGL

I mean, I would prefer you read the exchange yourself.

Not sure I am comfortable with you just blindly believing me over VFP if you really have not read any of it :/

But I also I appreciate the vote on VFP, so thanks, I guess?

[Lukewarm]

I still want your vote on VFP.

I just want you to be able to say "I read it and I am voting VFP"

Opening saying in the thread that you are voting that way without having read any of it is a way of keeping absolving yourself of your own vote.

I don't think it will matter in this case, but just in case I am wrong, I don't want you (or anyone really) to be able to walk it all back and say "yeah, I voted for it, but I thought it might be tvt all along"

[Lukewarm]

I don't know if it matters to you, but I do feel a little better about you voting with me already.

You gave clear reasoning in 674 for why you voted the way you did. I just wanted reasoning in the thread other then just the thanking me for a giving you my side.

[Lukewarm]

I think we are at 3 on VFP

me, cupcake, pickles

e-2

[Lukewarm]

By the end, I really thought you were a jester, and I was just going to let you have the win on it. If you are town, then your reactions baffles me, but don't worry. I will be self voting tomorrow. I don't have any other ideas or where to look any more anyways.

@everyone, I was pretty confused by the set up, and I really thought I had figured it out. Maybe trying to figure it out based on mech was the wrong play. Sorry I could not be of more help this game :/

[Lukewarm]

I can and will self vote, if anyone wants me too, but my day start message literally said eliminate the mod.

VOTE: lend

I think we have to be unanimous, not just hammer, because a hammer did not work day 2.

[Lukewarm]

Just need a vote from Vax to be unanimous, I think

[Lukewarm]

Okay Lend, what happens now?

[Lukewarm]

The moderator has been eliminated?

Their role... is?

Now I am really confused. Is this game just a riddle? - Like, is he wanting us to solve the code from VFP?

[Lukewarm]

5, 8, 21 --> EHT --> Eliminate Hopeless Town

It would be EHU, and I have no idea what that could stand for.

[Lukewarm]

I am completely at a loss of what is going on. Like it feels like everything that has come from the mod has been so random. Like he decided on the spot, as opposed to this being a planned out set-up...

I was scum in the first reroll, and I know that the scum team was supposed to have a ton of abilities, but we are on the 3rd (4th??) day, and it seems like nothing is happening. None of the like 5 scum abilities appear to have activated (at least as far as I can tell) - I was expecting a lot of things going off, and we could like try to figure out what happened / who was targeted, but instead we got nothing, not even night kills. NK flips are thing to examine when you feel lost, but I don't even have that. I don't feel like isoing is super beneficial, because the scum team has changed a couple of times as well.

Should we go back to the plan of killing me? Should we kill Tris because of the weird tris thing on day 3 thousand-what-ever? Does anyone have any other suspicions or ideas?

Any one want to step up and be the town leader, and just tell us what we should do? because I am at a loss.

[Lukewarm]

Someone suggested we claim - I am a VT now

[Lukewarm]

But I've literally been VT all 3 ti-

You know, I want this to happen. I'm confident that the rerolls ended at 3 because we all rolled town.

If you think we all rolled town, do you think we should try all self voting?

My thinking on that is that strange voting expectations have been a thing, like we needed to be unanimous on Lend, and only 1 on Tris was enough. And maybe the whole nonsense around day 3thousand-and-something was to follow posts that said for us to vote for the person who was the IC. Like, nothing happened there, but maybe it was a hint: 1 vote on town is enough, so maybe having 1 vote on every town player will do something?

VOTE: Lukewarm


I am getting frustrated with this game - if that is not it, then... :/

[Lukewarm]

Laa dee daa

NM, who should we kill?

[Lukewarm]

Yeah, after the second rerand, FMFT admitted to having been scum with Korina

[Lukewarm]

*Was prodded*
*Logs on*
*Sees own post on most recent page*

[Lukewarm]

Happy scum day Pickles!

[Lukewarm]

Unoffical

Vote count

Cupcake Butterfly

(1): OutWorldER

Vax

(1): tris

Lukewarm

(2): Lukewarm, Vax

Not Voting

(4): Cupcake Butterfly, Pickles, Not_Mafia

[Lukewarm]

Any reason not to vote tris? They seem to want to play.

This seems weird coming from someone who is also not voting Tris?

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: Vax

Have officially prodged

[Lukewarm]

Lukewarm was obvious mafia.
I gave him on a stick and the next day you all let him carry on with his scum ways.

By the way, I really did think that you were lying about that code. I was not making that up. I don't believe that there is a single thing that I said in our 1v1 that I did not believe, and I am pretty sure that I would have said it all if I was town.

My expectation was that you were going to reveal that you were lying in rerand 2

[Lukewarm]

Lend, what did the scum roles do?

screw the mod is the factional NK
everything else did nothing

Why was there no nightkill night 1?

[Lukewarm]

NVM, I am dumb we targetted you with that one specifically I think -- (I don't have access to the mafia chat to see)