Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

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Just one heads up about mechs today

If artemiana is town and telling the truth (and i strongly believe so based on d1 events), the guilty check cannot fail.

Checking the doppleganger wouldn't produce a guilty result if the target doesn't exist, it would produce a no result. That has been the standard in all games. If the result was "they share an aligment" there is no option other than titus scum. Mod does not lie.

Sure.

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Can't sleep.

@Morph, thoughts on: Farkran, NDmath, Titus, Flea, White fire?

I don' think Dunnstral is scum this game.
But. I. Could. Be. Wrong. lolololol

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That said, I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever eliminate someone for having a seemingly OP role. Stung once, twice shy.

really? because I had to sit through people in this game going "oh, someone claimed loyal mailman after a traffic analyst and two protective roles, that seems perfectly believable and not at all suspicious"

My sympathies sir. But I just have no clue how to read roles and I may never have confidence on that especially after the number of ways I have been punished for guessing. It's down right sadistic what these game designers think up.

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And by that I mean, I'm stupid and don't get it and don't seem to be getting better at it.

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Farkran, NDmath, Titus, Flea, White fire?

Meh, VERY meh, town, meh, town.

Dah heck do you scum read.

Beach episode commence! Vote 1

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"Meh" isn't a townrad or a null read, it's just my expressed opinion off the cuff. If you want a reads list you're going to have to wait, sorry not sorry.

Also it's like 6:30 AM on the west coast the fuck are you doing awake and on mafia?

I’m in the parking lot at my job an hour early because I couldn’t sleep because my mom is firing two of my grandparent’s care takers who’ve worked there for two years and I am extremely uncomfortable with that and I am a giant sensitive snowflake.

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I feel like someone just spilled truth serum into my water.
That was inappropriate of me to bring up. Sorry.

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I still just think Titus is scum and that the scenarios where art is town and Titus is scum is high, the possibility that they’re both scum is the next highest probability with art bussing and the last, smallest one, is that they’re both town.

So I wouldn’t stress to much over this one IMO.

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I don’t really associate unwnd with cruel modding tho.

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I’m going to let this go, I just really want this elimination for some reason.

Eh, I don’t really think white fire has anything that truly demonstrates Artemis is lying given their commitment to it.

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"Meh" isn't a townrad or a null read, it's just my expressed opinion off the cuff. If you want a reads list you're going to have to wait, sorry not sorry.

Also it's like 6:30 AM on the west coast the fuck are you doing awake and on mafia?

I’m in the parking lot at my job an hour early because I couldn’t sleep because my mom is firing two of my grandparent’s care takers who’ve worked there for two years and I am extremely uncomfortable with that and I am a giant sensitive snowflake.

Hug

Ty.

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There’s that word, “MAY”

But I dunno.

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The wheme dream thing,
Sigmund was not targeted by anyone and he tried to protect someone and missed.
I have an associates in dream interpretation (this is a lie) so you can trust me.

I asked just to be sure if its only stuff that happens to my target and not what my target did and unwnd said yes

This text is confusing because it doesn’t explain why unwnd mentioned what sigmund tried to do if the text should only be related to what was done to him.

But it honestly looks like the biggest unforced error of all time if wheme is contradicting themselves like this. It just doesn’t seem like something scum would do.

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I’m supposed to say “and my axe” here but it would be better if sigmund said it.

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My page top was better. It’s okay.

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@wheme any suggestions why the text implies you received information on what was targeting sigmund if anything and also why it seemed to give you his action?

Maybe ask unwnd to be more specific or to have him reword what it does.

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Okay work time.

I still say we should desiccate Titus with a bag of salt and love.

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I doubt we'll get our way, and one of our two town reads is doomed to die today anyways.

@Bell, dunn, et al.

Message received.

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Ugh

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That lld scum read is just a big thumbs down from me.
I know that divergent reads from the majority tends to get wagoned, but this is less divergent and more like, cherry picking what she says in a vacuum without having ever played with lld before.

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And you’ve played with lld before. You also are entirely ignoring that it was completely unnecessary for lld to bus a powerful role who was largely under the radar before lld bodied them out of nowhere.

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You’re accusing me of stalling their wagon by asking for a claim before blind hammering them.

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This is an opinion only appealing to bingle.

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This project of excluding and even then not really excluding information except for those vote pertaining to Anya is mistaken and seems like something scum me might do.

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What I don’t get is why scum kitty would pick a fight here. Lld is fresh off a kill and I’m both defensive and easily sortable.

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You’re accusing me of stalling their wagon by asking for a claim before blind hammering them.

I don't understand this sentence, you didn't hammer? And it's not like anyone had a chance to react to Toog?
You did exactly what I would have done as scum, which is vote to not look bad while trying to give a buddy a chance to claim

Sorry, I have to drive to work now.
I was saying that I prefer people claiming instead of them getting blind hammered.

I would have given lip service or said something more to cover my ass if I was scum. But that’s my wifom explanation. I could get into the internal thought processes for each when I get home though if you’d like, and by you I mean everyone else who isn’t scum.

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I'm waiting to see if Murdercat can manage to write this reads list under pressure
I sure couldn't. As scum.

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I'm aware that Murderkitty doesn't do much early game, this isn't about that for me.

I just straight up don't understand him or his approach this game even though he's spelling it out.
His reads seem more like an unnatural exercise than a good idea.

Yes, I don't know why he's sticking to it and I think there are a lot of parallels to Flavorleaf vs Pooky that I'm unfairly mentally drawing except murderkitty is me and I'm murderkitty but more handsome.

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I did not like how he 'stuck to his guns' on me in the face of Notty and LLD. Because that stubbornness just reads as fake to me.

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Isn't NDMath normally pretty quiet?

Yes, but he's like that as scum too. So.

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Not a big fan of him piling on Murderkitty though. Mostly because it makes me question everything I've ever done since I was four and decided that I could fly if I jumped off a chair.

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Yeah okay murderkitty. I think you need to rethink that not claiming thing. I suspect only morph might defend you at this point and they seem to pointedly not be doing that.

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Yeah okay murderkitty. I think you need to rethink that not claiming thing. I suspect only morph might defend you at this point and they seem to pointedly not be doing that.

Why do you think we might do that?

Paranoia.

I always waffle just before a lim and this wagon feels especially stagnant which always makes me want to reverse course.

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There’s a difference between lurking (I.e., not posting when you can and either posting a bunch in your scum PT or just reading the thread a lot) and limited activity (not posting much because you can’t for reasons).

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Oh, he I didn't realize that was the reason he had a slow start. He seemed to brush it off with jokes etc. Though cognitive load is definitely a thing.

I only get overwhelmed as scum. Has he gotten worse at handling that? I feel like he's been natural(ish) in other games before, not opinionated, but, like, genuine and seemingly fluid instead of systematic.

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I will state that almost no one is taking your view here THQ, you're defending him because he's a slow starter but for the most part I don't recall people voting him for that, but because he content he made was 2 standard deviations from the norm which tends to get you wagoned, yes. But there's also a certain burden of proficiency I place on Murderkitty, I wish I could use a better word bu it feels like he's dumbing himself down here.

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Yes, same. I think he finds ways to contribute as town though that he hasn't done here. On the other hand, I am fully aware that maybe he's doing with IRL stuff and hat's adding in an additional component.

I find it very likely that I will end up hammering him because I'll suspect (perhaps wrongly) that he's overwhelmed scum that his buddies, are cutting him loose because Ndmath is also scum so it doesn't matter which one is scum.

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I could have said that better.

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Can I just say that Titus is being *extra* confusing this game.

See! It is as I said earlier: Titus is all over the place this game.

This shit right here is something I'd expect to see while spectating a newbie game and immediately mark down whoever posted it as obvscum, and avoid/seek the slot as replacement potential depending on my mood of wanting to draw scum or not.

Yeah, I'm not even sure what Ircher is doing there because it's he's socially adept. I thought maybe he was trying to dump a wifom connection to distance or to ge Titus killed later or they're just partners.
I dunno. It's weird.

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I am fully down to power pivot Ircher for that post.

It's about as blatant of a "forcing a narrative" post example as one can get.


P.S. Notsci you're drastically running out of do-nothing-free coupons.

*raises eyebrows*

I feel like he has infinite coupons since he's town.

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I am fully down to power pivot Ircher for that post.

It's about as blatant of a "forcing a narrative" post example as one can get.


P.S. Notsci you're drastically running out of do-nothing-free coupons.

I don't really get this since you're already voting him, though I know you could drown this thread in exhalations to murder Ircher if you wanted too.

Could you explain your diminished activity?

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Yes, yes. I know. But you sound so salty and I missed you.

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Maybe you can share later since she's definitely in my chopping block.

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I really don't think you need to make a massive case to explain why Titus is town. You could probably write a paragraph or two and I'd be convinced.
If she stopped pushing wagons like she expects MC to flip town while also knowing NDmath is going to flip town and she's just getting off the blame game, I'd appreciate that too.

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I am blaming her for my own ignorance and paranoia.
Boo Bell. Boo.

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Yes, yes. I know. But you sound so salty and I missed you.

I missed you too!

I don't understand what you were paranoid about, though. Are you paranoid that we won't defend MC? That we will defend him?

I was thinking you might be paranoid or concerned that the wagon was on town and might test the waters defending him.

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VOTE: Murderkitty

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I got distracted.
I am not sure why Ircher wants to be the center of attention. Or what they mean by game shaping event.
Or what they mean by "i'm going to die obviously" and so on.

Also yes, I would have speed limmed you if you dueled Notty without blinking.
I am deeply unhappy you hit his HP.

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A bit late for that, we've been waiting around for what, 3 days for Murdercat to give us something?

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Do you think Murderkitty is scum, if you do why do you think so?

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Dunnstrall tends to snap at people that push him. I think his vote is just that. A request for white fire to back up.
I might be oversimplifying a more complex behavior tho.

I regret the MC wagon, not because I think it’s wrong but because I wish we’d done it later in the day so that the game didn’t stall.

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Ircher if you have an uncertain result on me claim it, otherwise I think we are both town and you are doing us both a disservice

Mc is that all?

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I request that we move his wagon to e-1

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His reads remain upside down all game and there comes a point where you just have to bop him given his title above his head. I file a suit of malpractice.

Or something. I’m not going to get eliminated this game murderkitty. Because I never get eliminated unless I’m scum.

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The only thing that slightly bothers me is that he recognized that Titus and shea could be white knighting him with low info or inaccurate takes.

But you don’t get points for suspicion if you just remove it in the same posts.

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This is very late murderkitty.

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Your insistence you’re going to town yourself and keep dashing it. I feel like I’ve been strung along long enough tyvm.

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You’re still stuck on the Anya wagon analysis. This rigidity, while you might hope is coming off as you genuinely believing what you’re saying: isn’t.

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Please do it in a way that doesn’t make me feel like your only bag of tricks is not to collapse like a house of cards when pressured as scum.

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Also I want you to claim because I know you could come up with pretty interesting fake claims. At least, I thought so in that fairy game.

Anyway, gotta drive to work. Last day! And then a month of time off.

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Lunch.

@lld.
1.murderkitty.
2. Ndmath
3. Titus.

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Strangely I genuinely don’t think I care whether ndmath dies or murdercat dies.

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I am now off of work for a whole month and get paid to exist.
It’s excellent.

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I'm voting Titus and Murdercat.

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I'm voting Titus and Murdercat.

How do you feel about the company you have in the VC?

Kind of vacillating wildly on it. At first I liked it, then people I suspected hopped on, and there was no counter wagon so I was like, maybe I'm wrong and then I was like, maybe I'm not. Now I'm in heavy suspicion territory with fellow voters here but I also feel better about scum murderkitty. The more I think about it the less sense his approach makes. I also don't strongly mind the Ndmath counter wagon.

The ircher wagon I have reservations about though. Like a lot, even though the wagon is very pretty.

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Also, just internally I had reached worried status on Notty, but the RL explanation mostly does away with that.

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*pokes notty*
Just making sure bro, you wouldn't betray a bro by lying about being scum would you?

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Okay, have a safe drive home and I hope things get easier.

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S_S seems fine.

I've played with Ircher like 3 times or so. all I really understand is how to correct for some idiosyncrasies and recognize that he's not really genuine when he plays mafia as either alignment.

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In other words, I'm somewhat neutral on Ircher, and strongly prefer NDmath and Murderkitty wagons.

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That sure is a town notscience.

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Like is that post my manifesto? No

Is it me trying to get reinvested and do things? Yes

I'm good with never eliminating you this game and I will give anyone who says otherwise a very hard time.

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NDmath Or murdercat please.

Whichever of those two survive needs to get chopped.

I'm not really interested in an Ircher wagon RN.

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NDmath Or murdercat please.

Whichever of those two survive needs to get chopped.

I'm not really interested in an Ircher wagon RN.

For posterity.

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I’m down to kill murdercat and NDmath and will be very salty if one of them isn’t limmed today.

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S_S, what do you think of NDmath and Murderkitty.

I have too much free time on my hands now as evidenced by the fact I can't writing and deleting responses to every post that is made.

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Do what before deadline? Eliminate Ndmath?

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I dunno, the people with charisma aren’t pushing wagons too hard and that’s the only way to consolidate votes.

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It is purposeful on my part. I need to see what people do and I can't do thst from the lead.

Sadly TSQ is kind of busy and on a tunnel of his own. Morph has RL issues and that just leaves me.

If it comes to it I will lead, reluctantly. But I much prefer being able to have wide eyes and strike when I am ready.

Like I did yesterday.

I know. It was a blameless comment.

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VOTE: NDMath
Let's just go here today.

:/ VOTE: ndmath

I’m more confident murderkitty is scum and if not scum, honorary scum.

@Ircher: if you attack notty tonight i am going to be very, very cross with your reads this game if you’re town.

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I could have said that better.
Basically you’re going to the top of my elimination pool for sucking if you attack him tonight.

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@titus please reconsider your Murderkitty read. He’s an excellent elimination for tomorrow.

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He’s an excellent elimination for tomorrow.

Nope.

Yes. Unless you have a night kill in mind.

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I look forward to you managing to convince me that murderkitty is not obvious scum.
It’s going to be a tall order.

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Everything about his play this day phase says rigid scum who has mistaken conviction for a genuine thought process and has about as much flow as a solid block of amber.

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Beetle juice

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That is an interesting if totally irrelevant take.
And sure, shea could be informed which may explain why they’ve been defending a strawman of murderkitty instead of murderkitty.

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Beetle juice

Is this in reference to us?

No

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VOTE: Murderkitty

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Also, like, I think MC's only play this day with how little he's posted

MURDERCAT 153
Dunnstral 147
Flea The Magician 144
WhemeStar 120
Farkran 104
Ircher 92
NDMath 19

This this why I continue to scum read LLD

This is well below your level of skill and rhetoric as town.

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{Bingle, Thestatusquo, Titus, Morph the Cat, Ircher, Sigmund, WhemeStar, notscience, Guillotina, Artemiana}
{White Fire, Flea the Magician, Farkran, Something_Smart}
{Dunnstral, Bell, NDMath, LLD, Chara}

I think my gut says something like this right now, I want to look at isos because this is really just gut check from looking at the names but I guess you are all free to kill me if you want because I might not post real content again until tomorrow. There is a world where I got white knighted and there is a world where sigmund is mafia doc, but for now this is ok.

VOTE: NDMath

For Titus

Thanks for trying Shea but I can't be bothered anymore

@bingle

and the rest of town look at this post and 4361 when I flip please

Is this a joke.

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Can anyone explain to me why mc is scum other than "i don't like his scum reads"

Please use small words. I just don't see it.

MC is scum or he seems unable to process feedback. I do not think Murderkitty is a bad mafia player. So I think he's scum instead.

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Can anyone explain to me why mc is scum other than "i don't like his scum reads"

Please use small words. I just don't see it.

MC is scum or he seems unable to process feedback. I do not think Murderkitty is a bad mafia player. So I think he's scum instead.

It seems to me he's processing feedback just fine, he just disagrees with it

I disagree with your interpretation of his play and don't think you give Murdercat enough credit.

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Murdercat or ndmath consolidate please.

A bunch of you have made commitments to sheep LLD.
Please sheep lld, since no one in their right mind would sheep me.

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Why do you need a moment to write that you’re going to claim?

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Plausible.

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Someone give me more than Murdercat being wrong on LLD to scumread him on. I think his recent posts are fine and don't ping me like some people are saying they should.

He was also wrong on bingle And is wrong on me.
Paragon of mafia hunters.

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So it's a burden of proficiency case? As someone who doesn't feel proficient themself, I'm skeptical of such an argument

Nah, I’m being tongue in cheek because you reduced the arguments against him to one aspect. So I decided to narrow the focus similarly in jest.

He never expanded his view outside of the anya wagon, he doubled down when pressured. His interactions with me feel like he’s desperately trying to believe his own opinions even though his heart isn’t in it. He stalled and has had limited flexibility throughout the game day. I don’t agree even a little with cabd’s opinion that murderkitty would notice let alone adopt a different approach based on how Anya faired.

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I respect whatever your opinion is but I don’t really care Rn and am done with this day phase.
I think your reaction off the cuff reaction to wheme was a little townie.

I think it’s curious that you were like, well, let’s just end the day with ndmath but now you want to slam on the breaks here.
Explain?

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pagetop? more like page-waiting-for-sausage-to-defrost-i'll do-a-vc-anyway

Dad jokes should be a bannable offense

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We’ve been over murderkitty’s flummoxing attempt at reading the game. It doesn’t make sense for him as scum with only one goal survival to have his positions. But from the position of a town player it’s actually worse because it is essentially purely beneficial for the scum team for him to have those reads.

I’ve seen scum make the attempt to just say no just kill me as a game of chicken/attempting to appear as if their goal is not survival as a gambit. I don’t think that would be outside of murderkitty’s approach here given his insistence on faking a perspective of conviction in his posts.

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That you have a weak grip on the game and are going largely with instinct.

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If he is town and believes them he would not agree that

it's essentially purely beneficial for the scum team for him to have those reads

I also don't think he's really going "no just kill me." He seemed resigned in one of his recent posts but it didn't seem like a "kill me" but like a "I can't stop you from killing me."

He wouldn’t agree with it as scum either.

It looked like pure AtE to me.

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I don’t actually find his kill me scummy. I just don’t find it townie.

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Another thing I just thought about is I feel like scum!murdercat would rather push Ircher here than be eliminated if Ircher is town, which makes me think scum!cat implies scum!ircher.

This post is what I was responding to in reference to the kill me thing. Since you were pointing out that it doesn’t make sense for murderkitty not to push richer here unless he’s town. I was pointing out that it can tie back into survivalism by showing a lack of it and creating a point of doubt.

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How would murderkitty be behaving differently than he is now if he were scum

LLD.

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Yes that’s what not science is pointing out clumsily. That pretty much by default if mc voted ircher right now he’d be the most likely bus vote.

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Why does ff think mc is town.

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I think both are scum but ircher is a stronger PR. Yeah your wagon looks like all town, but the only three on the MCat wagon I’m shaky about are Chara, Fark, and Ircher.

Ninja-
I’m at work you’re a towel

Don’t post at work.

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I can’t imagine notty posting at work as scum tbh.

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Because of the thing about MC and Ircher and my feel that scum!mc implies scum!ircher, the probability that ircher flips scum here has to be greater than or equal to MC flipping scum here and is thus a better yeet.

Why does ff think mc is town.

Who is FF?

I find that ircher or MC being scum alone more likely than them being scum together because I understand basic principles of mathematics.

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Sure, thanks ff.

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I find that ircher or MC being scum alone more likely than them being scum together because I understand basic principles of mathematics.

Yea so do I, which is why I said if scum!mc implies scum!ircher, then p(scum!ircher) >= p(scum!mc).

But this probability you’re using is literally all weighted on your opinion of what is and isn’t scummy and what is and isn’t townie and what is and isn’t a bus vote. :/

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Murderkitty gave up as either alignment and seems disinterested in posting further. Even if he’s town I don’t think he’ll care much from here on out.

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Please vote murderkitty and end this very tiring day phase so I can think about where I went wrong/right.

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Yes. I want him dead yesterday.

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He’s at 8 votes.

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3 votes

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You've made me sad, Sigmund. What happened to the Ircher wagon dream team?

This more than anything makes me think Sigmund is pooky because I swear someone says this to him once every game.

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I didn't know Pooky played on alts tho.

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I need to slow down on my posting. I really do have too much free time, while hanging with the grandparents.

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Every class uses sp for abilities both abilities on the map and abilities in combat (you can interact with or affect the environment with some abilities)

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However, I believe there are some innate abilities that don't require SP at all.

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If I am right on NDMath (which I likely am) then SS becomes near locktown.

Makes sense. We're not killing Mdmath though.

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Gunna have to wait your turn Titus.

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Because watcher?

If NDMath is town then surely scum have some kind of counter for it.

Anya's flavor was Ninja but it doesn't seem like her role particularly countered a watcher? I guess kind of, because she could use her innate attack without being seen, but not the NK.

Because watcher and because you created reasonable doubt but not a slam dunk.

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Or maybe I’m scum with ndmath huehuehue

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Every class uses sp for abilities both abilities on the map and abilities in combat (you can interact with or affect the environment with some abilities)

Farmer is not a combat class

Yes, but there was a class called farm in EO that i vaguely remember giving exp bonuses and being able to do something to the land which, from a flavor perspective (even though unwnd said not) would fit a watcher role.

I also asked if unwnd gave the scum team fake claims which he neither confirmed nor denied but he did say he wouldn’t generate fake claims on request. Which isn’t very helpful tbh.

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I’m very allergic to balance arguments with watchers.
There are clear ways to balance a watcher roll in this set up.

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Bell, why should we keep NDMath alive?

Because he claimed watcher, supposedly 3 times in a row and lied about it the last two times and third times the charm.

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Why should we keep MCat alive

Because they're scumhunting, even if their opinions are unpopular.

Lol.

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I did not like Bell's interactions with me and would be zero surprised if that slot flipped scum btw.

Of course you did.

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He claimed he watched sigmund visit LLD and signing confirmed that’s what he did.

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The guy who flat out said he was throwing in the towel

Yes. I almost did with a fake guilty on me. I am having to brute force every scum elimination. Some players can't or won't, particularly if not confident on SRs.

Why should we keep NDMath alive?

He could have guessed or maybe he’s a scum tracker instead, I wouldn’t know the difference.

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I thought guilotina was quite townie. Because he reacted to everything and didn’t seem to have an agenda. I’m not 100% on it, but it’s good enough for me to give him a pass for awhile.

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I really don't know why I'm so shitty at scum. But yeah, pretty much.

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I could probably do okay if I made alts but it's like I should just put in effort not to suck as scum and be a better liar. I have a lot of cognitive load issues when I'm scum, a lot of micro meltdowns that nobody sees.

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I feel bad for Bell if this is true because then there is no such thing as not getting yeeted as scum.

I have been yeeted in every scum game I've played except for my first one since I came back to mafia and I have never been yeeted as town since I came back, which is going on upwards of 17 town games now.

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Just went through discord talk with unwnd and I would like to clarify that he stated explicitly that he didn’t provide fake claims to the scum team at the beginning of the game.

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@ndmath: Did Unwnd tell you whether you had or currently have SP?

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Do we have definitive confirmation that Ndmath explicitly stated he didn't have any SP?

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Thanks.

Mmm.

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I have SP but no SP abilities. So you could be correct.
But I will be pissed if you're wrong.

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Ndmath says they don't have SP but he should have SP even if he has no abilities that use SP.
Titus blocked his SP recovery but he had he had no SP but he started with 2 SP.

To be clear he did state that he has no abilities that use SP correct?

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Unwnd likes to give out a lot of power imo.

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Does anyone else have 0 SP and would like to confirm that?

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I'll let LLD decide.
If it were up to me I would elim Murderkitty during the day and just wait one night to see whether NDmath dies or not, because a watcher is a role that isn't going to live very long.

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What do you think of Murdercat's absence Morph?
Sorry for asking you things right now. You can answer when you like, no time pressure.

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If it were up to me I would elim Murderkitty during the day and just wait one night to see whether NDmath dies or not, because a watcher is a role that isn't going to live very long.

Scum probably have a way to counter it though...

Wasn't that the ninja. Do you think they have 2 or more ways to counter a watcher.
For example a role blocker?

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Counterpoint:
Tenet.

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There sure is 20 hours left.
It would be a real shame if Murdercat wasn't killed because we were incapable of consolidating.

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Counterpoint:
Tenet.

Counterpoint to what specifically?

The watcher/doc/IC combo.

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Same re around to consolidate.

We'd prefer an Ircher wagon to MC or ND.

Well, you were right on the artemenia thing, but I'm not going to trust you without dream shenanigans.

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I'm playing based upon my heart, not mechspec or setupspec for once.

Calling it "weird" is fine, but the scumteam thought the same thing last time I pulled this out in Xeno.

Do you really think they just got sick of everything and bailed on the game as town?

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I'm gunna need a new murderkitty model if that's the case. They always seemed more tolerant and this seems more like emotional blackmail. I know Shea is kinda sympapthetic to this kind of approach because they felt in among us that I played decently as scum in part because they thought I was checking out as an act, which I was, but like, that didn't work and I was scum there.

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Sometimes I forget that not everyone has boundless WIM as town.

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But I still think Murderkitty is scum even though I acknowledge that I'm a shitty scum hunter and wrong a lot more often than you are.

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I'd eat my hat if NDMath flips town here LLD. That's how confident I am in NDMath flipping scum.

I'd understand a shot on me if NDMath flips town. I'm not wrong though.

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VOTE: Ndmath

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I’m okay with titus’s hat pledge.

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It’s a very big hat.

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That was shea.

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Yo, Titus said she’d eat her hat if ndmath is town.

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Win/win.

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Yo, Titus said she’d eat her hat if ndmath is town.

I also said I'd eat my hat. Is this a shea-titus associative tell?

He should have been more specific about what he wanted when he asked me to name 3 players that weren't playing meh this game then.

This post in particular I'd eat my hat if it came from scum.

This hat.

No, one time I promised to eat titus’s hat if I was wrong about a player being scum.
They were scum.

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Ninja-
His awful take on me

The feeling is mutual.

Stop posturing and admit that notty is obvious town please and thank you.

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I will fight you to the death over a chara flip.

yaaay, this is the boost i needed.

should i just hammer NDMath? it still feels wrong.

Go ahead. Titus said she’d eat her hat and that alone is an important step because it is an amazing hat and big hat. She would die if she ate it.

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Stop posturing and admit that notty is obvious town please and thank you.

I could but it would be empty words.

Cmon, you’re a better player than this.

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It’s kind of sad that I’m getting both wagons I wanted and yet I still feel very dissatisfied because of how much I put into it.

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I don't recall MC's bell logic.

Bell is being selective towards previous games in an effort to push me

But Bell meta !1! Queasy

You have a hang up but I don’t think it’s about my alignment.

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I don't recall MC's bell logic.

Bell is being selective towards previous games in an effort to push me

But Bell meta !1! Queasy

You have a hang up but I don’t think it’s about my alignment.

I hate meta. I'm pushing it aside because if it comes to actually matter, players that know you better will hopefully push you.

I think this is about control for you and not about my alignment.

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I think this is about control for you and not about my alignment.

You think I'm a control freak or...?

Yes. I think you’re lukewarm-lite.

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Just in case, I received no results either night and did not act either night

I think you already said this somewhere.

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is it bad that i'm excited we actually have dueling wagons? like not one went up one went down but wagons that are literally neck and neck right down to the wire?
it'd suck if they are both town but i dunno, i don't see it a lot. sorry for contributing to the bullshit.

This is relatable.

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{Dunnstral, White Fire, LLD, Flea, Math}

final guess?

If Math is town look at Chara again?

Wut

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I’m being very mean to ircher if I’m scum partners with him.

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Well, in reality we wouldn’t be having this conversation because I’d probably already be dead or would be a leading wagon right now if I were scum so this seems like a mute point.

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I mean cabd is burning his cards to keep people off him. That’s my opinion. But i don’t really know if he does this as town too.

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This prickliness is just, bleh.

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It’s not cute like when I or Notty do it.

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Sword swings.

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VOTE: Murderkitty

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Were you scum or did I just waste my time tunneling him for like, 3 years.

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It would be very weird if I was right and Cabd was wrong.
That almost never happens.

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That reference flew right over my head unless you're actually missing teeth.

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Good morning FF.

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Isn't that every day.

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FF is the one with the sleeping issue! It was an honest mistake.

Damnit.

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Oh, good to know.

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Anyways, Sigmund's data is pretty damning so glad to be wrong.

Still think this wasn't a scum-scum duel.

I actually don't think it's damning and I still think I'm wrong. *bites nails*

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This is why you don't get invested in things.

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AMA before I flip town

Did get a message saying you were healed?

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Impossible to know, Murderkitty is the type that would lie so that we couldn't process the field until the last moment and also, he would tell the truth if he were town so.

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Sigh, sorry murderkitty.

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Gunna take a break and figure out why it was so incredibly hard to get a miselimination through.

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The more I think about this the worse I feel about it.

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The more I think about this the worse I feel about it.

elaborate?

I spent an unholy amount of time tunneling on a town dude and I’m confused why scum just didn’t barrel along with me. I thought the stagnation was because they were both scum. Now I’m starting to realize that I was either arguing with town a lot or scum that knew that MC was town and I’m not sure how I feel about that.

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I sometimes post over lunch break but for the most part when I’m working I stick to work stuff to avoid getting into bad habits that could result in mistakes down the road.

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I do sometimes mafia at work when I learn that two students were in an altercation and then I step way the fuck back and decide on the most careful objective assessment I can make, which is pretty much “that sure does look like a shoe print to me” “ and this is characteristic of nail scratches”.