Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

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VOTE: Bell

Hey

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Very rude of you to not vote me tbh

sorry sorry

VOTE: Shea

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I'm not in a good mental space rn, so I'm gonna be posting when I am.

<3

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sorry unwnd, that really sucks

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I am caught up to here, my only strong opinion at the moment is a decent town lean on Toog because Toog (in my experience) is good at mech claims as scum and would probably prefer to be flexible instead of instaclaiming. Toog is very good at scum though, so I'm not 100% of the way there.

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Shea, tell them not to expect stuff from me D1 because of Among Us

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I'm not sure I did stuff D1 in Death Curse either tbh

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I'm not sure I did stuff D1 in Death Curse either tbh

I found you very good while observing your day one. Maybe those in the game felt otherwise but they're not chiming in.

Try for us.

Hmm, stroking my ego? It's working (but I think everyone speccing just called us trash for not killing Noraa D1 that game)

Bell is NAI posting but it's a good push because of 344 suggesting he is not going to go back and interact with any content from the first ~10 pages

Dunn voting for Flea seems off to me

271 from Fark felt genuine to me

LLD is null to me, and I'm not sure what to make of Shea trying to generate content off her posts, but it feels towny to me?

I can't remember if notscience was that alt I played with a couple times, haven't gathered anything from his posts

Nothing else stuck out to me

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271 from Fark felt genuine to me

271 is completely pointless

Feels like the sort of thing you'd put in a scum pt if you had one

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I'm not sure there's an actual implication I wasn't going to read when my first two posts were exactly that.

Well, actually my first one was interest in finding out if there were a way to exploit a mod loophople to catch scum.

But the next 2.

Yeah I don't know I thought it was weird you said that and then kept posting different stuff. If you do read later I won't put much stock in it

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I was going to say you seem to be trying more this game than other large theme day ones I've seen. What's up with that

I wanted to know why the thread was locked so I read up

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kind of weird to look at a post that murdercat wasn't going to make but was prompted to make and think "yeah, this is the one i'm going to try and pick apart for something nitpicky to push."

lol thank you

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I kind of feel like I lost touch with what made me feel confident in reading him.

I will wagon scum D2 if I'm town, that's a good tell

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can anyone explain an SR on Flea?

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I don't remember you expressing much confidence in your reads in games, so I'm confused where this opinion is coming from.

You forget me listing entire scum team combos on D1?
It's part of the bit

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When cobra kai, you gave me room

Ok notscience was that alt, good to know
Doesn't really help me read through the poetry though

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But Flea seems fine?

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We both know thats when you need to worry about me catto.

I'm mostly worried about you voting me when I'm town tbh as that's the only time it seems to happen

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I think it's day 1 of day 1. Someones getting wagoned and I'm as good as any.

I disagree because, to be honest, you are a possible elimination target if you are town. I think you tend to flail a little bit when you get close to lim. So I worry about a wagon being formed on you without good justification.

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I’ve already spoken of Cobra Kai

well to be fair to me it was all the way to the right and I was reading fast

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VOTE: 1

hype

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also, welcome ircher

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Please note, MOD EVENTS are randomized and chosen by random.org. They do not effect the game in any way.

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VOTE: Bingle

anyone wanna just do this and see what happens with me

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vote bingle with me Shea?

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Oh hey I got my badge fixed, pog

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I'm tin foiling and need a wagon there

Bell come vote jingle with me

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So that everyone can get immensely frustrated and I can get nightkilled, obviously.

why say this

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A mild curiosity I guess

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Idk like a day cop guilty or something

you realize you quoted jingle right

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Have you played with titus before?

Titus literally has the most mafia posts of any active player, if be surprised if there is anyone in this game that hasn't player with her

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I think LLD is scum with bingle by the way and people giving her a pass a weirding me out too

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I think LLD is scum with bingle by the way and people giving her a pass a weirding me out too

I asked you for more clarity in the first part of that and I don't think I got an answer.

I did but you quoted jingle instead lol

I just gave a vague answer though because I wanted a jingle wagon before saying that, but no one wanted to join so here we are

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I think LLD is scum with bingle by the way and people giving her a pass a weirding me out too

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

What have you done that is so townie?
You never responded to my question either

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Isn't this kind of like trying to put on pants by shoving your ass in first?

I wanted to see if lld would join the wagon

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In that case what is your read on her based on meta here and based on in game actions alone?

I'm not gunna try to claim a read on titus early in d1

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My hypothetical bingle wagon

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bruh MC, I'm literally playing "get engaged with the game with Cabd."

If you think I've read anything this game beyond what Cabd and I ahve done in the last 2-3 pages, you're off your rocker

I don't think you have, that's why I found your claims of bingle scum and funds actions towards flea and myself strange. Like how do you know I'm a good push if you didn't read any of my content? How do you know I hadn't already produced a lot of content when Dunn pushed me? You shouldn't have known that

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(sorry for all the typos, on my phone)

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All slots I expect would generate both content for the thread and reads for the player if pressured.

This is the phrasing that I'm referring to

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But how do you know Dunn did that within the context of me not having produced content yet? Maybe I had already walled and obvtowned

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Thank you! Now do you see how outrageous is for Titus to expect a read on Anya from me, even earlier than now, and push for my yeet when i told her i didnt have any?

She's not even voting you I don't think

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I'm not sure I did stuff D1 in Death Curse either tbh

I found you very good while observing your day one. Maybe those in the game felt otherwise but they're not chiming in.

Try for us.

Hmm, stroking my ego? It's working (but I think everyone speccing just called us trash for not killing Noraa D1 that game)

Bell is NAI posting but it's a good push because of 344 suggesting he is not going to go back and interact with any content from the first ~10 pages

Dunn voting for Flea seems off to me

271 from Fark felt genuine to me

LLD is null to me, and I'm not sure what to make of Shea trying to generate content off her posts, but it feels towny to me?

I can't remember if notscience was that alt I played with a couple times, haven't gathered anything from his posts

Nothing else stuck out to me

scummy post

271 from Fark felt genuine to me

271 is completely pointless

Feels like the sort of thing you'd put in a scum pt if you had one

I don't believe that this is a real read you have

These posts aren't that deep.

My point is that I think you are underselling your knowledge of game state and I think you gained that knowledge of the game state through a scum pt.

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<3

Hey no AtE

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Nothing I said had anything to do with the game state my dude.

I understand that, I just find it unlikely you would reach that conclusion about Dunn without game state knowledge. I.e. I think your perspective slipped

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Lol we haven't been scum together in like 5 years unless I'm forgetting something more recent.

But point taken.

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VOTE: MC

btw.

This is a bad vote

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VOTE: MC

btw.

This is a bad vote

Like fypov LLD and I are either partners or you think I woke up today and chose death in the game I just signed up for

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i'm trying to engage in this game but i feel like i'm playing with a bunch of like, captcha skill testing questions before i'm allowed to actually play

I'm going to sleep anyway so stick around a while longer

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what

If I'm scum why push you, is the point

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Are you actually pushing me?

Not particularly hard, but that seems to be what bingle is reacting to. Like the story here is that me, as scum, decided to push an angry LLD and the soft claimer when I could have just done nothing

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Like if you're scum I have to imagine you realized like 20 posts ago that your attack angle was ridiculous and not landing, so this is now a pivot into an attempt to look townie as opposed to get suspicion placed elsewhere.

So if you're scum, this kind of swing and wiff and the comments you are making is how I would expect you to play it off.

I got zero traction when I tried to get people to vote bingle and still went with it so

Pedit: I wasn't saying angry within the context of the game

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Because now is exactly the time when you can get away with it.

To what end?

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What did you actually mean?

If my goal was purely survival, I wouldn't be interacting with you like this. I have reason to believe based on both past experience with you in games and current events that might make you less tolerant of me pushing you (that you alluded to) that it would not end well for me.

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My sense is that a push you didn't like on you would lead to the sort of engagement you are describing. If I'm scum and you are town I would rather you stay unengaged, obviously.

Pedit: I really do need to sleep now and I said what I wanted to, if I wanted to start a wagon now I would have said so so we can move on

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Feel free to ask more and I can answer in the morning
But I would honestly be surprised if you are town and didn't read me as town yet

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you goon

I'm not buying this daycop soft tbh

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Hi everyone, apologies for not being around, busy weekend. Catching up now

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Spoiler: gifts for Anya (catchup through page 45)

Like who?

It's been a while and I forget, probably not worth putting much stock into at the moment

Something_Smart, Toogeloo, notscience, NDMath, Lady Lambdadelta, morph the cat, Not_Mafia

Exactly 3 scumbags are on this list.

Discuss who they are.

Go

I'm finding sigmond's content uninspiring

As a reply to Flea:

LLDMafia getting shot by SK.

LLDSK getting shot by Mafia.

LLDTown getting shot by hopefully both, simultaneously.

The lack of an SK makes this problematic as a longterm thing, but I was hopeful that we wouldn't have to deal with wagoning her and her getting pissed at some point.

It's okay.

Your team will get to shoot me tonight because I am bleeding town over this thread because what is controlling perceptions to avoid being shot never heard of it that takes effort.

This sort of interaction still just screams SvS to me.

Come on, you've played with me before. Aside from the two Versus games, you should know that I keep tabs on the current page in addition to catching up. In this particular case, I searched my username to see if there was anything worth addressing.

This struck me as odd from Dunn as well.

notty, who should I vote? I'm bored with voting the cat.

Am I just conf biased? This just reads so bad to me?? Like the vote on me was 100% OMGUS and made no sense in the first place and this is just more evidence Bingle isn't genuinely hunting?

Parallel wagons why not, I wanna see what people do

Inb4 both are town

This defense is just really bad.

VOTE: Titus

Feeling like both these slots are town too

1010 feels townie

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Ok I started a catchup for the last 20 pages but I got bored and skimmed so I'll actually give comments later
I think I got the important stuff though

I want to vote Sigmond, but I'll sheep the IC instead because Shea said so
VOTE: WhemeStar

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Murder, your vote makes me sad.

Why?

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I didn't see anything out of the ordinary from Ircher tbh, but I also didn't read his posts that closely

pedit: No I'm gunna let the conf town at least get a wagon started

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did I?

You said there weren't enough sheep

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So I did. I rarely think of you as a sheep generally speaking. why are you doing it here in particular?

I'm perfectly willing to sheep D1

Catching up now

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I'm not doing a big catchup post as I only have a bit of time, but Guillotina seems really town to me

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I hate to say that im a vengeful person, but sometimes i can be

This looks like a soft.

This is a pretty scummy post and I'd happily kill Guillotina for it?

I'm not gunna open this can of worms again but I still don't like LLD for town

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The columns are players' reads and the rows are reads of players. At the far right are totals of town and scum reads per player.

I find anyone with more scum reads than town read suspicious, nice to see that lines up with reads I already had

Also I will always town read effort

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Rock guardians:
MC
Morph the cat

Questionable

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This is my "don't wanna touch today" list

Morph the Cat (fferyllt/Cabd)
Lady Lambdadelta
Artemiana
Titus
Guillotina
Toogeloo
Thestatusquo
Bingle

Yes LLD is on there, if she is scum let's find the partners.

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I'm wagoning STD for great justice. A lot of people have said they find them off but no one seems willing to actually lay down votes which is interesting.

ok

VOTE: Save the Dragons

I kind of just want a real wagon (e.g. 8+ votes) to form and then I want to sort off that.

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Nothing, imo except that you kinda seem like you don't want to be wagoned in 2270 and now here

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There is a difference between being indifferent to a few votes/ scum reads on you and actively campaigning for yourself before it matters.
You feel closer to the second one.

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checking: why is Arte here?

In case you were testing my knowledge, it was for the claim stuff

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why is that scummy and not something a pr would do

Depends on the player and we haven't actually played together that much, so you would have to tell me.
Why are you doing it?

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I am fully caught up at the moment, though I'll admit there are some players' walls I need to go back and digest more thoroughly.

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i think i gave you a hint there

More like you bashed me over the head with it

But yes, what Shea said, everyone is going to soft and hint because you can easily claim something useful if anyone ever calls your bluff. Same logic for why I still pushed Bingle.

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Gods part of me wants it to be a requirement to flavor name claim if you're gonna spout off lazy softs.

This feels like a bad idea, but I could be wrong

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This would be my LHF list

Sigmund
NDMath
WhemeStar
Guillotina
Flea the Magician

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(LHF can just be scum too, so don't mistake the list for me saying all these people are town. I just think all these people are playing in a way that makes them easier to push.)

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Sigmund can you give a quick reads list? Reasoning unnecessary

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too bad, I'm buying it anyway.

lol I did too

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Sigmund, STD, Ircher, Flea

Would lim any of them I think

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Is it possible sigmund is a pooky alt?

No I don't think so

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All this talk about Pooky is a waste of time, either Sigmond is scummy (he is) or he isn't. Who is behind the alt is meaningless.

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Not too confused with murder cat who is underwhelmingly this game but apparently that's just how I'm going to have to live with day one's from him

correct

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VOTE: Sigmund

Perfectly happy with this

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Ok hopefully this game has calmed down enough that I can actually play. I have a while, I'm gunna do some iso reading after catching up. If anyone has requests let me know, I probably won't give comments while catching up.

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I'd probably Sap Murdercat.

This is fine

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*snip*

This is a really good post, I want to keep it in my iso

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Wow really no one warned me I was about to read 20 pages of nonsense?

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fair

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Spoiler: Anya votes

VOTE: morph the cat

looks more like a zebra to me

2 + 5 = 7

VOTE: statusscar

VOTE: white fire

why is your fire white and can it be used to cook beverages

VOTE: NotMafia

kill all robot alien monster goats

VOTE: the magician

cowering in their boots someone get them a lounge chair

VOTE: mastina

might've caught her with her helmet off

VOTE: Guillotina

let's embrace anarchy i've always wanted to abandon all law and order anyway and the honesty shows good intentions

VOTE: farkran

he feels very disinterested but is forcing himself to post random thoughts bc he has a yggdrawolf reputation to uphold

VOTE: titus

wheme is posting like a duck that barks

VOTE: wheme

VOTE: whemestar transcribes text but i have no idea why he transcribes what he does

you should've just said so why wasn't this your first post on page 1

don't let the stars in your eyes fade

VOTE: Flea Magic

VOTE: Ircher

sure bingles there's still barely any pasta in his content

i prefer town but don't mind playing as wolf every once in a while

VOTE: lady lambdadelta

she's not pushing me for a single good reason her push on bingles failed bc it was on confirmed town and now she's trying again on me

but look at her posts asking for people to vote me they're all filled with "anya good vote, anya scum, please. vote anya." she's so desperate she must have good reasons right? nope not even a single one

Cabd

I'm owed for the bullshit you've put me through today. I'm owed for Xenoblade too.

I want Anya. I've never been so certain.

this confidence is laughable when you look at the reasons she's given

Speaking of nonsense, maybe after more flips something in here will be useful.

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Spoiler: VC and votes

Final Votecount 1.14

Adventurers

:

Anya

[13]: Ircher, Lady Lambdadelta, Titus, Bell, Sigmund, Dunnstral, notscience, Something_Smart, Artemiana,

Bingle

, Whemestar, Flea The Magician,

Toogeloo

[Hammer!]

Sigmund [5]:

Save the Dragons

, Flea the Magician, NDMath, MURDERCAT, Thestatusquo
Flea the Magician [4]: White Fire, Farkran, Chara, Guillotina
Lady Lambdadelta [1]:

Anya

Not Voting [1]:

Not_Mafia

, morph the cat

Flea was listed twice, which I assume was just a mistake unless I missed something.

VOTE: Anya

Bingle, what about Anya?

oh speaking of, thanks for reminding me

Vote: Anya

LLD is my spirit animal.

VOTE: anya

VOTE: Anya

At work. Anya should claim.

VOTE: Anya

VOTE: Anya

Because LLD seems convinced

VOTE: anya

I'm fine with this.

VOTE: Anya

VOTE: anya

What's the VC

VOTE: Anya

E-1

Let's see what N_M do.

VOTE: anya

just incase no one else hammers and we no elim

VOTE: Anya

Works for me, I can cancel my timer then.

Sigmund turning out to be town leaves Flea exposed with my TMI suspicion. It is obvious we are gonna lose the Doctor tonight otherwise the wolves would be playing against their wincon, but if we can bag mafia today, the loss won't feel as huge.

This is such a hilariously bad post. Are you scum, Guillo? I think you are, just from the phrasing of this one post.

We'll get to that tomorrow.

VOTE: Anya

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I have a sense that a decent number of the people shading me are scum

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Spoiler: LLD and Anya

how are 8 words like that ever gonna be out of someone's range anyone can say that

a toddler can say they float like a butterfly and sting like a bee doesn't make them Muhammad Ali

starting to think guillo might be playing up the confidence act not sure how he can really believe the tabloid articles he's writing

depends on the ticket prices and what regulations they have

Like I took a few days to reset my reads after another was pulled from under me and I think I want Anya dead.

I know they're weird and stuff by nature but it just feels... so...

there is something genuine lacking there

man i don't vibe with almost anyone in this game.

is that bc most people are city dwellers and you lurk down in the sewers

the confirmed bingles gave the badge of approval for ircher votes ages ago and still is yet collecting them is harder than finding diamonds in a coal mine

It's kind of weird that people are willing to sheep my weak case on Ircher based on it being where I was voting now that I've moved on to pushing Sigmund who has more votes, tbh.

sigmund's a lot more active and looks like he's being shoved for his account gimmick more than anything else though your reason makes more sense

ircher isn't free range

VOTE: flea

Compromise time.

Let's compromise on Anya then.

I'm very certain she's scum after her response in the last few pages.

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Please name names

I'm working on it, will probably save the actual analysis of votes on me for later though.
I do want to see how votes shifted from me to Titus

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Spoiler: Titus and Anya

VOTE: NotMafia

kill all robot alien monster goats

VOTE: anya

My vca is part robot this game.

reads:
titus town
morph the cat very likely town
toog likely town
chara scum

anyways going back to work cya laterzs

these reads are awful

Why? What's your anya read?

G, what's your anya read?

Anya, SS, G

My sick mind's theory as to who scum are. SS is the weakest

VLA until Sunday

There isn't really an I am sick as fuck option. I'm doing the best I can right now. I strongly feel Anya and G are teamed. I can't prove it but G's reaction is OMGUS for omgus sake. I could buy a certain amount of bias after our last game, but this just feels like they're hiding instead. There's no hunting, just whining.

When I asked G to give a read on Anya (who I had gut pings on at the time), they tried to pass the buck.

When Anya votes G, there's no interaction there.

My anya vote isn't doing anything.

VOTE: Arte

VOTE: NotMafia

kill all robot alien monster goats

Look at their iso to this point. This post particularly pinged but there's no solving. Some fluff is ok but we're past fluff.

1. Morph the Cat (fferyllt/Cabd) - Town
2. Dunnstral - Null town
3. Save the Dragons - I want to say town but I may be attributing some posts of them in my mind to Morph. Gmth town
4. White Fire (Shiro/Firebringer) - Null town, only reserve is buddying.
5. Lady Lambdadelta - Weak town (solely bc past baggage, anyone else solid town)
6. jjh927 Ircher - Null
7. Artemiana - Null scum
8. Sigmund - Null, gtmh town
9. Titus - Moonwalker
10. Bell - Townish
12. NDMath - lean scum
13. WhemeStar - Null, would compromise
14. notscience - Moderate town, hard with the PR
15. Anya - lean scum
16. Guillotina - Null, high priority to sort
17. Toogeloo - Weak town
18. Flea the Magician - Null (I need to sort them)
19. Chara - Weak town
20. Thestatusquo - I want to say town but keeps defending scum
21. MURDERCAT - Town
22. Farkran - Town
23. Bingle - Town
24. Something_Smart - Weak town

I'm ok with this for now

LLD is my spirit animal.

VOTE: anya

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Spoiler: Bell and Anya

I have dug through 4 pages and I can't find his post and for some reason reason to just iso him.

Anya seems kind of free flow in that townie way but then she left and that killed my vibe.

Anya seems vaguely townie.
White fire seems postury, but in a good way.
Chara seems bored.
You seem fine so far.
Unsure why Jjh repped.
I feel that shea is vaguely scummy from an impressin that they didn't seem to be thinking about hunting, but more interested with giving opinions.
NS: I dunno I can't read poetry and haiku posers. Some times they're scum, sometimes they're town and I can't tell the difference.
I don't know what to think about LLD. I'll just let it lie.
I liked Dunn's angle shot. Though he is being proactive early which is opposite the trend I've seen.
I've mentioned Murdercat.
Titus is being her unreadable self. In that, I don't get why she chooses her reads or positions or the timing. She's walkin' out of tune from everybody else.

I pretty strongly disagree with an Anya vote. I don’t know who A is and I don’t feel like guillotina is scum this game.

VOTE: Anya

At work. Anya should claim.

Did Anya ever claim

Did anya ever claim.

Or are we still waiting on that.

I don't agree with blind hammering Anya but if they're not coming back and dead line the sentence fills itself from there.

VOTE: Bell

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VOTE: Anya

Because LLD seems convinced

I'm going through the wagon

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Spoiler: Arte and Anya

Flea posted "Sigmund you are FAR from the towniest town in this game. we have many holding that title above you."

Faer has said this before as town, i believe it has been said before in DBZ

pedit: i dont think i would mind an anya wagon if it gets enough traction.

Normally i think they are a larger presence within a game. It's worrisome that im forgetting about her

VOTE: farkan

VOTE: Anya

Would you compromise on Anya?

You would be vote 5
Bingle 6
Morph 7

+

With a few of those votes being moved, faer would no longer be the largest wagon

I have seen nothing from anya that makes me think they're >rand scum. And this wagon stinks of a scum driven counter wagon.

LLD is driving anya, and IMO Anyas latest response to LLDs push is terrible.

Do you think LLD is scum?

As far as Titus and I guess Ircher, if Sigmund is scum and Faer town the ditch onto Anya could be an attempt to draw out a no elimination.

In the event that im wrong about sigmund and Faer is town as i beleive, with LLD at the helm, it could be a tactical bus.

It as you said though, sigmund is stalling and I'm desperate for an option that isnt fae

Hey we are trying here mom, we're still tryin to catchup while things are happening here.
So what's the deal, what did we miss?

*snip*

As far as NM goes, its a mod event, imo likely one thats scim driven to distract the game state.

Its been well ignored for a while, bell brought it up, whemestar pushed it and it is now back into the background

Where it belongs

Would you vote anya to save yourself?

VOTE: sigmund

Sorry LLD, I need more votes on anya for mine to stick

Plus, if anything is TMI...

VOTE: anya

What's the VC

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Ok I am sleeping now, here is how far I got.

Anya wagon analysis:

Town

Ircher – Leaves a nonconsequential vote on Anya as the wagon grows all the way to hammer, but never really pushes it the way you would if you wanted bus cred I think.

Sigmund – Town for now due to claim and being the counterwagon to Anya. Literally nothing connecting them in Sigmund iso.

Titus – I am going to wait to look at the start of D2 to understand Titus. I really don’t like that I am straight town in 1010 given my iso at that point. But actually I just looked back at it and I was somewhat active at the start. I’m also not sure what to make of anya being lean scum despite the quotes leading up to that post, but I guess lean scum is the strongest read in that list. Maybe Titus is just town actually, but I’m still going to reread the start of this day later. Ok future MC here, I think I will just townbin Titus.

Arte – This interaction with the wagon just looks super town to me. Pushing people in that direction, but in a sort of collaborative way that reads townie to me. Maybe because I do that too as town.

Unsure

Dunn – I don’t like how Dunn has shaded me, but there isn’t a lot of talk about Anya in either direction, it’s literally just the vote.

notscience – Same as Dunn, nothing here except the vote. Though I have no other reason to suspect notscience so in my overall readlist notscience would probably be lean town.

Something_Smart – Not a ton of content related to Anya, what is there seems reasonable enough. Would probably also town lean SS at the moment.

Scum

LLD – Still don’t like LLD, think it was a D1 bus. The quotes that I posted in 3993 just feel off to me. I know LLD is a forceful player but it’s too confident. Like what is 2752 even saying? What in the Anya quotes makes LLD “very certain”? And the reasoning in 2709 just feels so fake to me. “There is something genuine lacking there” isn’t a real thought imo.

Bell – The Bell quotes in relation to Anya look awful to me. Early defending which doesn’t feel warranted to me, no comment for the rest of D1, followed by stalling to try to let Anya come back and claim. Also I haven’t looked closely yet, but Bell is one of the people I didn’t like voting me considering our experience together.

[MURDERCAT]

Murder, I have a problem with the LLD bus theory.

Why doesn't LLD just let us murderize Sigmund or Flea?

I think flea might be scum (spoilers) and I think Sigmund might not have gone thought but I have to look back at the timing of it all. Also I could just be wrong

[MURDERCAT]

I will get to those slots too don't worry

[MURDERCAT]

Having Both Bell and I in the scum pile after yesterday is unforgivable, and the logic to do it is awful.

You'll have to remind me if there is some reason you can't be scum together, but regardless that wasn't even the point of the post. It was specifically an analysis of how you interacted with the Anya wagon.

[MURDERCAT]

Bell is so indelibly town I find it hard to believe you see otherwise. I find much of your reads hard to believe.

It's an analysis of how Bell interacted with Anya. Read that quotes list and tell me the interaction doesn't look bad? I am only focusing on Anya at the moment

[MURDERCAT]

You’re accusing me of stalling their wagon by asking for a claim before blind hammering them.

I don't understand this sentence, you didn't hammer? And it's not like anyone had a chance to react to Toog?
You did exactly what I would have done as scum, which is vote to not look bad while trying to give a buddy a chance to claim

[MURDERCAT]

I was saying that I prefer people claiming instead of them getting blind hammered.

Ah yeah I mean this is not unreasonable. It's just weird that you voted while also seemed to be trying to stall

[MURDERCAT]

In regards to murdercat, even "just looking at the wagon" seems to have completely missed the context of us being on the wagon until we asked for the hammer, then toog lolhammering.

So I mean there was a "let's ISO every player on the wagon as posted in the final vote count" without looking for ANY context about how each person got on and more importantly, who got OFF and why.

I'm not done yet

[MURDERCAT]

You are all free to flip me, my role is useful but I am worried about creating a false guilty with it so I have idled both nights.
I'm not going to change my style of play to please you. But at least let me finish my analysis before you flip me.

[MURDERCAT]

Elaborate since you've outted.

I don't think it's worth it at the moment

[MURDERCAT]

Yeah okay murderkitty. I think you need to rethink that not claiming thing. I suspect only morph might defend you at this point and they seem to pointedly not be doing that.

No, the role is useless if I claim. If I use the claim to survive it does nothing, people will just suspect me later

[MURDERCAT]

Yes, same. I think he finds ways to contribute as town though that he hasn't done here. On the other hand, I am fully aware that maybe he's doing with IRL stuff and hat's adding in an additional component.

I am planning a move and trying to find subletters (hence V/LA), but luckily that is all settled now

[MURDERCAT]

what is town murdercat going for this game? zeroing in on the anya wagon makes sense, but doing it to the exclusion of anything else, and defending the takes that didn't go down well with "but i'm only looking at anya's wagon specifically" are what i don't like.

Did the same thing in death curse

[MURDERCAT]

I will have time to continue my analysis tonight and then I will analyze my wagon, if anyone hammers before that I'm gunna be pissed

[MURDERCAT]

Stay, I might vote there I haven't reread the iso yet

[MURDERCAT]

I would like elaboration on all of these.

What makes Irch's vote nonconsequential while he's stuck in catchup hell? When was his opportunity to push for bus cred?

How is Titus's D2 a good look for Titus on the Anya wagon?

Why is Dunn's shade of absent you bad? Why isn't his vote without a push good for him in the same way as Irch's?

Why does LLD hardbus there? Have you played with LLD before?

Ircher reads both at the front and end of the game and could have unvoted as part of catchup to avoid anya wagon gaining traction or could have made more of a point of pushing anya as part of the catchup, imo

My point there was that looking at Titus in relation to Anya was probably less valuable compared to how Titus reacted to the fake guilty. But then I decided there was actually a decent reason to like what Titus was saying anyway.

This I will have to answer later as it's a gut feeling, I don't have evidence to back it up at the moment. I might go back and reread and decide it was valid similar to what I did with Titus. But in the moment I felt badly about how Dunn pushed me.

I have played with both LLD town and LLD scum, though I'm not sure I have played with LLD scum when I am town. My understanding of LLD is she is someone who wants control and does forceful pushes as both alignments. I firmly believe Anya was bussed because dayplaywise she wasn't contributing anything. When she was bussed is open to interpretation. I would have to look back at the wagons but it is possible that Sigmund is doc scum or scum decided that if it wasn't going to be Sigmund it was going to be more useful scum (Flea?) and so Anya was pushed. Or LLD is just town, I was wrong in death curse.

[MURDERCAT]

I think there's something off in the Bell/Shea interaction wrt murderkitty, but I can't pinpoint what exactly. I'd like additional perspective there if people are around to give it to me. The entire back and forth just didn't feel very T/T at all.

It is possible Shea or Titus are white knighting me, but I am of the opinion at the moment that Shea is town and Bell is scum.

[MURDERCAT]

Ircher if you have an uncertain result on me claim it, otherwise I think we are both town and you are doing us both a disservice

[MURDERCAT]

That's at Murdercat

I have more than 1 or 2 scumreads

[MURDERCAT]

Anya wagon analysis part II

Wheme looks townlean to me based on the votes around 3041. 1636 pings me but Shea has way worse stuff than that and I still think he is town.

For Flea, I feel pinged by 2875 but I think I'm conf biasing a bit. 2931 doesn't feel like real reasoning. Other than that though there is not really much to look at, vote was around deadline. Null I guess based on this.

Well I guess there wasn't too much else to look at here, now to look at people shading me. Then I will give my final readlist.

[MURDERCAT]

I believe you've indicated otherwise

No, I posted a half complete analysis of single point of data for which I identified two people's posting I didn't like. I haven't given a full list

[MURDERCAT]

3 days, 10 hours, 41 minutes

What's the rush to kill me Bell?

[MURDERCAT]

I am literally in the process of producing content

[MURDERCAT]

I'm doing exactly what I said I would do

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: All important votes on me (that I could find)

I didn't see anything out of the ordinary from Ircher tbh, but I also didn't read his posts that closely

pedit: No I'm gunna let the conf town at least get a wagon started

VOTE: Murderkitty

VOTE: Murdercat

VOTE: Murderkitty

VOTE: murdercat pending reassessment

I honestly thought anya was town and i doubt scum!chara would defend a partner so strongly + i understand why Chara would townread her

Flea also still a good vote for this day

*snip*

Vote: Murdercat

Having Both Bell and I in the scum pile after yesterday is unforgivable, and the logic to do it is awful.

VOTE: Murder

OH CAPTAIN MY CAPTAIN

VOTE: MURDERCAT

VOTE: MurderCat


This might be the most suicidal play I've ever seen in mafia history.

VOTE: Murdercat

Blank votes r best votes

i don't see why scum MC makes the decision to push LLD here, it just does not seem like a good idea for survivability.

but i don't find this analysis towny, either.

VOTE: murdercat

i'm sick so my emotional investment in this game is at an all-time low, but i'll try and present myself at least.

VOTE: Murdercat

I'd love a Titus yeet but i can sheep my townreads too.

@NDMath,

Confirm you didn't regenerate SP at the end of the stratum.

I refuse.


I agree with the consensus opinion on murdercat, particularly regarding cat's bell read.
VOTE: murdercat
MurderCat Wagon (8/11): LLD, notsci, Farkran, Dunn, Sigmund, Chara, Guillo, NDMath

I don't think my vote is pressuring ND

@LLD consider yourself a double voter

VOTE: Murdercat

VOTE: Murderkitty

VOTE: Murdercat

[MURDERCAT]

Also I want you to claim because I know you could come up with pretty interesting fake claims. At least, I thought so in that fairy game.

Anyway, gotta drive to work. Last day! And then a month of time off.

I basically reclaimed that game
And no I'm not claiming

Enjoy

[MURDERCAT]

Scrolling through those votes, it's Chara and NDMath that stick out to me the most as scum hop ons as I think they are the most inconsistent with previous play. From my memory, I don't think either had that much to say about me.

[MURDERCAT]

not like we're gonna kill murdercat if he doesn't bring the heat d1.

Ok feel comfortable saying that is true about Chara as this was the only meaningful thing said about me prevote (obviously it was early game)

[MURDERCAT]

And I don't see anything from math either, not that there is much of anything at all anyway

[MURDERCAT]

{Bingle, Thestatusquo, Titus, Morph the Cat, Ircher, Sigmund, WhemeStar, notscience, Guillotina, Artemiana}
{White Fire, Flea the Magician, Farkran, Something_Smart}
{Dunnstral, Bell, NDMath, LLD, Chara}

I think my gut says something like this right now, I want to look at isos because this is really just gut check from looking at the names but I guess you are all free to kill me if you want because I might not post real content again until tomorrow. There is a world where I got white knighted and there is a world where sigmund is mafia doc, but for now this is ok.

VOTE: NDMath

For Titus

[MURDERCAT]

What's yours?

[MURDERCAT]

You still think both me and Ircher are scum?

[MURDERCAT]

Can you go more in depth into your Chara read?

[MURDERCAT]

You still think both me and Ircher are scum?

It's possible

Can you go more in depth into your Chara read?

I think chara is a player who busses instead of doubles down on defense of a scum buddy

This is the strong level of analytic reasoning that makes it so that my list means I am trying to die?

[MURDERCAT]

4362 does make me worry murdercat has some kind of useful town pr he will gleefully watch flip as he is killed, and think yes, we deserved to lose him for being so wrong, but i'd hope that's not the case.

I don't do that, I play to win

[MURDERCAT]

"my role is not strong enough to save me"

Exactly

[MURDERCAT]

I don't see how vanity vote near deadline with two alternative wagons is townread material

Because it flipped scum?

[MURDERCAT]

just his role's flavored name

Dark Hunter

[MURDERCAT]

Something something goofball something something fake claim

[MURDERCAT]

Do you still think Flea is scum?

Gut says possibly, pending an iso read though to actually back it up

[MURDERCAT]

My point is that there was no indication that it would flip at all. In the post where Irch gave his reasoning on Anya he also quoted my call for consolidation.

To me, it seems pretty viable to want to be the only vote on a scumbuddy when a town wagon goes through, and I don't think that thought doesn't occur to town you doing analysis.

I think scum makes a point to be around when it's important and to be conveniently absent the same way.

Looking at Ircher's activity it's unclear how present he was during those times so ignore it if you want, but it's my genuine read

[MURDERCAT]

I feel like no one is interacting with me re: notty at all. Why is notty town? At least don't ignore me.

Just gut for me, no strong feeling

[MURDERCAT]

I really want to lim on sigmund wagon tbh. I doubt that there would be more than 2 bussers on anya, likely less, and trying to go for the 1 or 2 bussers in 13 sounds suboptimal - if you disagree about the amount of bussers i'd like to argue why they didn't finish off Sigmund or flea

They tried and moved to anya towards the end?

[MURDERCAT]

How many? Take into consideration that one of them was flea faerself and the other was toog (= flipped town)

I would have to look at the timing of the votes in relation to Sigmund claim and to be honest I don't really want to at the moment and I think you are town anyway.

[MURDERCAT]

Murdercat- Not an interaction with notmaf but Im including it here for posterity’s sake- 374 calls Farkran’s reaction genuine and I felt like it was anything but the sort. Otherwise totally ignores Not Maf.

What did you mean to quote?
I was going to try to vote NM but someone had already done it during my catch-up

[MURDERCAT]

MCat has had some of the worst takes in the whole game

Ah yes I'm sure the consensus takes like ircher and myself being scum are the good ones in a game with 6 scum

[MURDERCAT]

Happy scum day unwnd, welcome dwlee!

[MURDERCAT]

Murder Cat - They feel stiff, I think Bell has the right of it. 1 Hangup is that their reads list is almost too controversial, but they don't seem to realize what they're doing in that regard.

Why does this make me more likely to be scum and not town?

[MURDERCAT]

Someone should summarize all the fake claims and things for context, I would but I'm on my phone and links would be nice

[MURDERCAT]

Sigmund doc claimed for one

[MURDERCAT]

I’m talking about your comment in 374 about Farkrans 271.

I found it, it's 394

[MURDERCAT]

Also, like, I think MC's only play this day with how little he's posted

MURDERCAT 153
Dunnstral 147
Flea The Magician 144
WhemeStar 120
Farkran 104
Ircher 92
NDMath 19

This this why I continue to scum read LLD

[MURDERCAT]

@mod

I just noticed that in the last VC I am voting twice

VOTE: NDMath

[MURDERCAT]

{Bingle, Thestatusquo, Titus, Morph the Cat, Ircher, Sigmund, WhemeStar, notscience, Guillotina, Artemiana}
{White Fire, Flea the Magician, Farkran, Something_Smart}
{Dunnstral, Bell, NDMath, LLD, Chara}

I think my gut says something like this right now, I want to look at isos because this is really just gut check from looking at the names but I guess you are all free to kill me if you want because I might not post real content again until tomorrow. There is a world where I got white knighted and there is a world where sigmund is mafia doc, but for now this is ok.

VOTE: NDMath

For Titus

Thanks for trying Shea but I can't be bothered anymore

@bingle

and the rest of town look at this post and 4361 when I flip please

[MURDERCAT]

If we can do math cool, otherwise I am here to self vote

[MURDERCAT]

I'd like to hear from murdercat an up to date analysis on his own wagon, who's scum and why

Sure, I'm caught up, I was trying to AtE

[MURDERCAT]

I'm gunna need a new murderkitty model if that's the case. They always seemed more tolerant and this seems more like emotional blackmail. I know Shea is kinda sympapthetic to this kind of approach because they felt in among us that I played decently as scum in part because they thought I was checking out as an act, which I was, but like, that didn't work and I was scum there.

I have absolutely AtEd as town

[MURDERCAT]

I haven't given up, I took a break

[MURDERCAT]

It is very frustrating to try to give my opinion on gamestate and there to be a general consensus that what I am saying is not towny even though there is no actual evidence being presented
I am confident that I am being pushed by scum, but it is annoying that other town isn't seeing that.
It is also annoying that BoP is being used against me when my takes haven't been proven right or wrong

[MURDERCAT]

MURDERCAT [8]:

NDMath

,

WhemeStar

,

Ircher

,

Bell

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Chara

,

Farkran

,

Sigmund

@Fark This is my gut take on my current wagon, I can't really reconcile Bell pushing me so hard with Ircher being town

[MURDERCAT]

Maybe Fark is actually more like light green

[MURDERCAT]

can you talk about your NDMath read

I was reading Math this way pre SP stuff, I thought the vote on me was particularly opportunistic and I trust that Titus is both town and has as strong read.

As for the claim, I was kind of hesitant to push it even though I think it could be a scum role, but I don't feel that way now that the sp stuff is out. I don't have a role that uses SP but I still generated it.

[MURDERCAT]

what's your thinking on why Math lied about not having SP?

I have no idea why it would make sense to do that. I am not factoring it into my scum read so much, I'm just not town reading the watcher claim because of it, if that makes sense.

[MURDERCAT]

You are free to ask me to summarize my games notsci, I could tell you about each of them
Also all my games and alignments are on my wiki

[MURDERCAT]

what about the strength of your Ircher read? as far as Ircher's takes went, the anya scumread was actually a more salient part of his ISO to me, so i would call it either a developed-ish bus vote or just a correct scumread that had some reasoning, so your read on it as too weak to be a bus vote kind of confuses me.

It was the timing of it that stuck out to me, it was a complete vanity.

But more recently it is also the fact that scum has a lot of control over the day phase given there are 5 of them (feel free to argue this point with me but imo more scum is more control, the ratio doesn't matter). Yes scum flipped D1, but that was a last minute scramble. If Ircher was scum there is no way that I go this long without being hammered.

[MURDERCAT]

what's the difference between Ircher as your counter and NDMath as your counter? correct me if i'm wrong, i don't remember a time when Ircher was very close to elimination.

and i don't see why scum Ircher can't vanity vote his partner. why can't it be distancing at a time where anya wasn't in that much danger yet?

To me, the reasoning behind the math wagon is stronger.
I also feel like the pressure against me has again turned up since math has been pressured, whereas there seemed to be a sort of content "either ircher or MC is fine" previously. But what do I know, maybe Ircher is scum and math is town or maybe we are all town, that is just my perception of it.

As for the vote, it's the fact that it stayed on Anya, I think scum would have been more likely to be present to help get something else through. It is possible it was a planned bus and Ircher is scum or it's possible I'm wrong on LLD and Ircher just wasn't around, but the most likely situation in my mind is that Ircher is just town who was fine with a wagon on a scum read.

[MURDERCAT]

I think it was an unplanned bus in response to sigmund claim and wagon stalling, but the timing is a little jumbled for me.
To be perfectly clear, I am trying to explain how scum LLD ended up leading a wagon on scum Anya, because I have a scum read on LLD, it's not the other way around

[MURDERCAT]

so wait, where is your scum LLD read from if not from thinking she was bussing?

My LLD read developed well before that and comes from the fact that LLD hasn't once given me the benefit of the doubt except for one moment with morph that I read as very fake. LLD has continued to push me in a way that I find very opportunistic, and her read on me only started when I revealed that I was scum reading LLD. In other words, if I'm the only townie that thinks that scum LLD is scum I am a good target to push and she has continued to push me with no deeper thought behind whether she believes she is correct.

[MURDERCAT]

Votecount 2.8

Adventurers

:

MURDERCAT [8]: NDMath, WhemeStar, Ircher, Bell, Lady Lambdadelta, Chara, Farkran, Sigmund
NDMath [7]: Titus, MURDERCAT, Bingle, Dwlee99, Something_Smart, Thestatusquo, Dunnstral
Something_Smart [2]: morph the cat, Artemiana
Dunnstral [1]: White Fire
notscience [1]: notscience

Not voting [1]: Flea the Magician

With 20 alive it takes 11 to eliminate. Stratum 2 ends in (expired on 2021-06-14 22:25:25).

[MURDERCAT]

pedit this is @ murdercat: how would you say your play is different from the notsci scumgame?

I had trouble producing reads that game as I tried to stick to consensus and LHF, but then got called out for it. I tried to let the heat die down, but it didn't (you'll see I do this as town and scum, though when I do it as town it is often genuine frustration). I felt uncomfortable posting as I really wanted to be scum with Infinity and Gamma and didn't want to let them down so quickly, plus I was busy and couldn't high effort. Probably my worst scum game on site. There are plenty of scum games where I high effort and plenty of town games where I low effort, it varies depending on what I have going on.

[MURDERCAT]

Implicit in that is that in this game my reads are developed and defined even if people don't like them and they go against popular opinion, which I think is very likely to be controlled by scum.

[MURDERCAT]

Oh I wanted to add this to my iso in case I flip:

I don't think Chara and math are likely to be scum together

[MURDERCAT]

what makes you say that?

Seems unlikely you'd engage me like this if that were the case

[MURDERCAT]

LLD can you sum up your reason for scum reading me in a single line or two? Because I can and have done it for my read on you

[MURDERCAT]

Do you think flea is town? What do you make of flea voting ndmath?

Flea could easily slot into a place where I am wrong, e.g. Chara if math is scum or Bell if Ircher is in fact town

[MURDERCAT]

The reasons you are scum is because your entrance into the game was bad, you floated day 1 when Flea and Sigmun were TVT and only spoke up when Anya was getting in trouble. You disappeared today in hopes the Titus guilty would spare you and then showed up again to discredit me, instead of pushing an actual scumread for a vote, and finally you show up in a storm after doing nothing all day at deadline when your scumteam has been pushing NDMath all day to try and survive.

Entrance is bad how?
"Flea and Sigmun were TVT" is totally unknown
Where I did speak up about Anya? Quote it
I disappeared after Titus guilty
I am pushing Math, not Ircher from before a real wagon developed there

I don't believe this is real analysis.

This is my reasoning summed up, and this post is an example of it

so wait, where is your scum LLD read from if not from thinking she was bussing?

My LLD read developed well before that and comes from the fact that LLD hasn't once given me the benefit of the doubt except for one moment with morph that I read as very fake. LLD has continued to push me in a way that I find very opportunistic, and her read on me only started when I revealed that I was scum reading LLD. In other words, if I'm the only townie that thinks that scum LLD is scum I am a good target to push and she has continued to push me with no deeper thought behind whether she believes she is correct.

[MURDERCAT]

After Titus guilty was settled*

[MURDERCAT]

I misread that and had the same confusion, that makes more sense

[MURDERCAT]

I don't recall MC's bell logic.

Bell is being selective towards previous games in an effort to push me

[MURDERCAT]

Just in case, I received no results either night and did not act either night

[MURDERCAT]

Let me make a final scum team guess please

pedit: I only said I didn't act

[MURDERCAT]

{Dunnstral, White Fire, LLD, Flea, Math}

final guess?

If Math is town look at Chara again?

[MURDERCAT]

you get results?

Not particularly useful ones, unless I play the way I did

[MURDERCAT]

Wut

You are maybe scum with Ircher

[MURDERCAT]

Murdercat can you claim please?

I can attack (anti town imo) and get notified if I'm targeted

[MURDERCAT]

Well, in reality we wouldn’t be having this conversation because I’d probably already be dead or would be a leading wagon right now if I were scum so this seems like a mute point.

I'm TRing Ircher anyway

[MURDERCAT]

You learn if you were targeted by any actions, or specific ones?

Any actions, and I don't get info about who or what
Given I have no interest in attacking people until much later I figured I could at least try to confirm something later (or even catch someone in a lie), but no one targeted me either night and no one claimed to.

[MURDERCAT]

There is nothing really townie about the role so I had no interest in claiming it, but I figured outing the little info I have is better than holding on to it given that even if I survive the day I likely die at night

[MURDERCAT]

Sword swings.

^

[MURDERCAT]

Town can shoot people too, I assumed I wasn't the only person with this ability and I believe Dunn has claimed the ability to shoot as well

[MURDERCAT]

Also I guess leash my shot if I live to tonight, might use it might not

[MURDERCAT]

welp good luck, I didn't lie

[MURDERCAT]

My strongest belief is that Titus and Shea are both town

[MURDERCAT]

AMA before I flip town

[MURDERCAT]

Did get a message saying you were healed?

No and I just double checked

[MURDERCAT]

I would usually stop posting as scum if I thought I was going to be flipped or about to be flipped, I don't think I've ever trolled in a "I'm town" sort of way

[MURDERCAT]

Did you misread what your ability does or when it activates?

By my reading it appears to be automatic, though I could have misinterpreted it

[MURDERCAT]

How do you reconcile LLD’s and Dunn’s talks about morph as them being S/S?

idk I'm flipped you all figure it out