A Something_Smart 13p pre-design

Post Post #1 (isolation #0) » Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:12 pm

Okay I really should have written this down. I didn't think it would be this long...

It's something like:

Mafia Multitasking Compulsive Visitor
Mafia Multitasking Compulsive Visitor
Mafia Strongman

Town Motion Detector
Town Backup Motion Detector
Town Ninja Doctor
Town Informed N1-3 Informed (you will learn the role, but not identity, of a different mafia member each night; N1 CV; N2 Strongman; N3 CV)
6x VT

There might have been another town role, but I'm not sure, so let's just start with this. Thoughts?

Post Post #3 (isolation #1) » Mon Jun 07, 2021 4:19 pm

so there are two main ideas here:

one, that the motion detector can only see scum visits, so if you get a no visit then it's probably a clear. if this happens after the strongman is dead or when the strongman was confirmed to be killing, it's definitely a clear.

and two, that if the informed lives long enough to confirm all the scum roles, the motion detectors are basically both confirmed.

I agree that the setup's scumsided-- but I want us to be on the same page first regarding the point of the setup.

Post Post #5 (isolation #2) » Tue Jun 08, 2021 3:24 pm

I generally assume that if there's an X and a backup X in the setup, they'll confirm each other's roles as likely legit. Maybe that's not accurate. Regardless.

What do you think about ditching the informed (which is an incredibly wordy role, too) and just giving everyone the scum roles at the start of the game?

Also, the mafia members aren't fruit vendors, but they could be, and that would make the motion detectors way easier to confirm (and a lot closer to a cop). Then mafia would have to choose between having an effective godfather and getting a strongman kill.

I actually kinda like this...

Mafia Multitasking Compulsive Fruit Vendor
Mafia Multitasking Compulsive Fruit Vendor
Mafia Strongman

Town Motion Detector
Town Backup Motion Detector
Town Ninja Doctor
7x VT

Public info: The Mafia consists of two Multitasking Compulsive Fruit Vendors and a Strongman

Thoughts?

Post Post #7 (isolation #3) » Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:25 am

MD targeting mafia isn't a worthless result; they still get guiltied if they don't claim a PR and they don't claim fruit.

Post Post #9 (isolation #4) » Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:01 am

Yeah, that's true.

Post Post #10 (isolation #5) » Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:06 am

So, I probably want to add a town role then.

My first thought was something that interacts with the visits, so like a tracker or a personal watcher. Both of these feel quite strong and potentially feel-bad for the scum who have no way to talk themselves out of a guilty.

Maybe a neighborizer? They would automatically be confirmed town by virtue of the scum roles being public, so they'd effectively be an IC with a chance to interfere with the MD's but also a chance to have the communication matter (i.e. if a PR is neighborized and claims to the neighborizer).

Post Post #12 (isolation #6) » Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:04 am

Do you think it's balanced with the neighborizer?

Mafia Multitasking Compulsive Fruit Vendor
Mafia Multitasking Compulsive Fruit Vendor
Mafia Strongman

Town Motion Detector
Town Backup Motion Detector
Town Ninja Doctor
Town Neighborizer
6x VT

Public info: The Mafia consists of two Multitasking Compulsive Fruit Vendors and a Strongman

I expect the motion detectors to get some kind of useful results. There's definitely info in who claims fruit. Neighborizer is a hard clear, I expect one other PR to be mostly cleared by setup spec (probably the MD as the backup MD can vouch for the existence of an MD). So I think it feels pretty good?

Post Post #14 (isolation #7) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:13 am

Spoiler: Role PM's

Vanilla TownieWelcome, XXXX, to Mini ####! Your role is

Vanilla Townie.

You have no special powers.

You win when all mafia members are dead and at least one town member remains alive.

Please respond to this PM indicating you understand your role and your win condition.
The game thread is here (link).

Town Motion DetectorWelcome, XXXX, to Mini ####! Your role is

Town Motion Detector.

Each night, you may target another player. You will learn whether you have detected motion on them; you detect motion if your target visits anyone or anyone else visits your target. If your action fails for any reason, you will receive no result.

You win when all mafia members are dead and at least one town member remains alive.

Please respond to this PM indicating you understand your role and your win condition.
The game thread is here (link).

Town Backup Motion DetectorWelcome, XXXX, to Mini ####! Your role is

Town Backup Motion Detector.

If a Motion Detector dies, then you will gain the following power:

Each night, you may target another player. You will learn whether you have detected motion on them; you detect motion if your target visits anyone or anyone else visits your target. If your action fails for any reason, you will receive no result.

You win when all mafia members are dead and at least one town member remains alive.

Please respond to this PM indicating you understand your role and your win condition.
The game thread is here (link).

Town Ninja DoctorWelcome, XXXX, to Mini ####! Your role is

Town Ninja Doctor.

Each night, you may target another player. That player will be protected from one kill.
Your action cannot be detected by any action-investigative ability (Follower, Motion Detector, Role Watcher, Tracker, Voyeur, Watcher).

You win when all mafia members are dead and at least one town member remains alive.

Please respond to this PM indicating you understand your role and your win condition.
The game thread is here (link).

Town NeighborizerWelcome, XXXX, to Mini ####! Your role is

Town Neighborizer.

Each night, you may target another player. That player will be added to your neighborhood, where you and anyone in it who is alive may discuss at any time.

You win when all mafia members are dead and at least one town member remains alive.

Please respond to this PM indicating you understand your role and your win condition.
The game thread is here (link).

Mafia Multitasking Compulsive Fruit VendorWelcome, XXXX, to Mini ####! Your role is

Mafia Multitasking Compulsive Fruit Vendor.

Your partners are YYYY,

Mafia Multitasking Compulsive Fruit Vendor

, and ZZZZ,

Mafia Strongman

. You share a private topic (link) that you may talk in at any time while you are alive, and you share a factional kill that one of your members may carry out each night.

Each night, you must target another player. That player will be informed that they received a piece of fruit.
You may take multiple different actions in the same night. This includes using a personal action and a factional kill at the same time.

You win when the mafia control 50% of the town or nothing can prevent this.

Please respond to this PM indicating you understand your role and your win condition.
The game thread is here (link).

Mafia StrongmanWelcome, XXXX, to Mini ####! Your role is

Mafia Strongman.

Your partners are YYYY,

Mafia Multitasking Compulsive Fruit Vendor

, and ZZZZ,

Mafia Multitasking Compulsive Fruit Vendor

. You share a private topic (link) that you may talk in at any time while you are alive, and you share a factional kill that one of your members may carry out each night.

If you carry out the factional kill, it cannot be prevented by any means.

You win when the mafia control 50% of the town or nothing can prevent this.

Please respond to this PM indicating you understand your role and your win condition.
The game thread is here (link).

Spoiler: Code

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[area=Vanilla Townie]Welcome, XXXX, to Mini ####! Your role is [color=#008800][b]Vanilla Townie.[/b][/color]

You have no special powers.

You win when all mafia members are dead and at least one town member remains alive.[/area]
Please respond to this PM indicating you understand your role and your win condition.
The game thread is here (link).

[area=Town Motion Detector]Welcome, XXXX, to Mini ####! Your role is [color=#008800][b]Town Motion Detector.[/b][/color]

Each night, you may target another player. You will learn whether you have detected motion on them; you detect motion if your target visits anyone or anyone else visits your target. If your action fails for any reason, you will receive no result.

You win when all mafia members are dead and at least one town member remains alive.[/area]
Please respond to this PM indicating you understand your role and your win condition.
The game thread is here (link).

[area=Town Backup Motion Detector]Welcome, XXXX, to Mini ####! Your role is [color=#008800][b]Town Backup Motion Detector.[/b][/color]

If a Motion Detector dies, then you will gain the following power:
[list][*]Each night, you may target another player. You will learn whether you have detected motion on them; you detect motion if your target visits anyone or anyone else visits your target. If your action fails for any reason, you will receive no result.[/list]

You win when all mafia members are dead and at least one town member remains alive.[/area]
Please respond to this PM indicating you understand your role and your win condition.
The game thread is here (link).

[area=Town Ninja Doctor]Welcome, XXXX, to Mini ####! Your role is [color=#008800][b]Town Ninja Doctor.[/b][/color]

Each night, you may target another player. That player will be protected from one kill.
Your action cannot be detected by any action-investigative ability (Follower, Motion Detector, Role Watcher, Tracker, Voyeur, Watcher).

You win when all mafia members are dead and at least one town member remains alive.[/area]
Please respond to this PM indicating you understand your role and your win condition.
The game thread is here (link).

[area=Town Neighborizer]Welcome, XXXX, to Mini ####! Your role is [color=#008800][b]Town Neighborizer.[/b][/color]

Each night, you may target another player. That player will be added to your neighborhood, where you and anyone in it who is alive may discuss at any time.

You win when all mafia members are dead and at least one town member remains alive.[/area]
Please respond to this PM indicating you understand your role and your win condition.
The game thread is here (link).

[area=Mafia Multitasking Compulsive Fruit Vendor]Welcome, XXXX, to Mini ####! Your role is [color=#FF0000][b]Mafia Multitasking Compulsive Fruit Vendor.[/b][/color] Your partners are YYYY, [color=#FF0000][b]Mafia Multitasking Compulsive Fruit Vendor[/b][/color], and ZZZZ, [color=#FF0000][b]Mafia Strongman[/b][/color]. You share a private topic (link) that you may talk in at any time while you are alive, and you share a factional kill that one of your members may carry out each night.

Each night, you must target another player. That player will be informed that they received a piece of fruit.
You may take multiple different actions in the same night. This includes using a personal action and a factional kill at the same time.

You win when the mafia control 50% of the town or nothing can prevent this.[/area]
Please respond to this PM indicating you understand your role and your win condition.
The game thread is here (link).

[area=Mafia Strongman]Welcome, XXXX, to Mini ####! Your role is [color=#FF0000][b]Mafia Strongman.[/b][/color] Your partners are YYYY, [color=#FF0000][b]Mafia Multitasking Compulsive Fruit Vendor[/b][/color], and ZZZZ, [color=#FF0000][b]Mafia Multitasking Compulsive Fruit Vendor[/b][/color]. You share a private topic (link) that you may talk in at any time while you are alive, and you share a factional kill that one of your members may carry out each night.

If you carry out the factional kill, it cannot be prevented by any means.

You win when the mafia control 50% of the town or nothing can prevent this.[/area]
Please respond to this PM indicating you understand your role and your win condition.
The game thread is here (link).

Note-- This game has the following public information:
The Mafia team consists of two Multitasking Compulsive Fruit Vendors and a Strongman.