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In post 33, Datisi wrote:skitter's explanation of her townpings on me gives me some paranoia that i am being white knighted / pocketed here
but i will not act upon it yet as it is way too early and my skitter reads are usually ass-backwards
why do you find her town? @retti obviously
Breaking away from early game silliness into serious analysis tends to come more often from town, it's an awkward transition for scum to make who are usually more content to fool around, and she did it in a natural enough manner.
i think skitter is generally like that. it's possible that the way she did it is town tho
In post 26, skitter30 wrote:I think dats' reaction was kinda townie, dislike the bugspray vote
UNVOTE:
Specifically what I didn't like about this post was skitter saying she disliked the bugspray vote. To me the bugspray vote seemed like obvious RVS. Coupled with that, Datisis reaction and just the whole conversation in general seemed like RVS. Your post looks like an excuse to get early fake "helpful".
The flavor and potions of this game seem like something that could possibly be breakable if we al knew what each other was doing.
a little bit of townlean on this even tho i don't totally agree
In post 70, tʃɹɪs wrote:ughhh, my head is full of fuzz. i'll be back later
this is a relatively alignemnt indicative post (as in this gives information about tris's alignment relative to other slots) scum wouldn't be like "be back later" if a gamestate was evolving that doesn't favor them and i think overall this is more likely to come from town
i mean, if my brain's not working, it's not working
In post 112, Rhyme and Reason wrote:I don't mind gut reads but there is still ~something~ about the posts that pinged you in a gut sense, and I want to know what that is
~Rhyme
pedit: gotcha, thanks
I don't particularly
like
explaining my early game gut reads, at least not right away. But since you asked so nicely, I guess I'll oblige: the 3 posts to that point felt like they were following along and merely going with the flow of what was happening at the time, joining the wagon on datisi, disagreeing with my skitter read, adding to the townreads on datisi, it was all adding to existing lines of conversation rather than providing any particularly compelling thought. And I
could
see that being the way scum plays the early game, mostly trying to blend in, talking just to talk but not providing momentum themselves.
In post 260, Datisi wrote:i think i'm sorta putting skitter as ~paranoid but most likely town~ and leaving her there for an amount of time until i decide otherwise. there is a small voice in the back of my head that skitt's approach was slightly off, mostly due to the fact that she admits to it in 252 as it kinda gives me the vibe of "yeah, it was off" scum admitting their own play is off. *however* (1) i did not notice any scum-agenda-driving posts from skitter that i remember seeing once when she was scum (though this is obviously with a grain of salt bc i do not trust myself at all to consistently read scum!skitt correctly) and her reads/reasnings outside of the above have all felt Fine and Reasonable. (2) and also i think in every town game we've had so far, i've consistently had the uneasy-gut "what if this is scum!skitter" feeling, and at this point i'm wondering if that feeling should be taken as a sign that skitt is town, considering i did not have it in most (if not all, don't remember atm) of her scumgames
I'm feeling cautiously optimistic that this game might just be...
easy
, which I know is a foolish thing to conclude not even 24 hours into day 1, but I feel reasonably good about the most active people so far, the way you've sort of danced around each other feels like the routine players with a degree of history between each other go through when they both roll town. This could be one of those games where town has all the energy early and scum just aren't able to keep up at all. My wild confidence could eventually be swallowed by the Pit of Paranoia and Despair, but for now? I'm feeling it.
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Post #295 (isolation #19) » Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:19 pm
Postby tʃɹɪs »
In post 293, skitter30 wrote:tris what are your reads at this point
and why do you think i would be having doubts on bugspray?
up to the post i just quoted,
datisi, retti, rhyme and reason i feel pretty good about being town.
i'm feeling like you're town as well, but i'm not confident
i might have a reason to townread t3 that i'll think more about once i've caught up.
i'll have to revisit my thoughts on pob long.
toogeloo. idk
sure, bugspray can be mafia;
i was thinking you would wonder why scum!bugspray would be this blatantly ignoring people, but if the meta fits,,
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Post #296 (isolation #20) » Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:22 pm
Postby tʃɹɪs »
In post 266, pob long wrote:I dont like the way RR talks to Dasti and skitter.im not saying RR is'nt doing anything useful because they ask questions to lots of other people which look like normal townie questions, but when they talk to Skitter and Dasti it feels like ther not trying to work together or even to really truley find out if Skitter and Dasti are scum, as much as it looks like ther focussing on to make sure they dont get suspected and everything is fine and normal.
how do you believe anything in post 242 after RR was making ''im scum' memes on Page 5? those dont add up i think.
why not? a player can be serious at times, and memey at other times. i don;t see the incongruity.
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Post #306 (isolation #28) » Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:48 pm
Postby tʃɹɪs »
i think i've talked about datisi already;
i vaguely recall having reason to townread you before, but that one post i quoted especially struck me as town.
i agree with skitter that menalque probably doesn't do all that as scum.
give me a sec on skitter, i had a town feeling start to build, but i don't remember exactly why, so i'll go look at her posts again.
i'm waiting on t3 to answer my question first.
bugspray because i think that meta is true. it lines up with what i'm fuzzily remembering from prior games with them.
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Post #326 (isolation #40) » Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:48 pm
Postby tʃɹɪs »
it's been a while, but i think i had a good sense fro when you're town at one point. to be honest, my memory is a little fuzzy, but i feel like you should be doing something that makes me think you're town
In post 327, Retti wrote:I don't find that to be particularly compelling reasoning.
why is skitter town
Beyond her moving to proactively sorting early
i think this is a thing skitter would just do normally.
her hesitant wariness toward Rhyme felt like the how someone acts when they are suspicious of another player they have a degree of familiarity with, it was believable to me.
differentiate this from scum dancing around a player who they have a degree of familiarity with. what things here are specifically what you're describing that wouldn't also be scum?
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Post #336 (isolation #48) » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:41 pm
Postby tʃɹɪs »
In post 334, Retti wrote:
tris, if I can level with you, your whole catchup felt like what I've done as scum where I grab a bunch of posts and just vomit out something in reply to look like I am Being Productive and Doing Things (I got called out on this pretty hard last time and had to go into defensive claws out mode in response). It just felt like, Are these the posts a town player chooses to comment on as they are reading the game? And I'm skeptical on that end. Additionally your reads were pretty consensusy and uncontroversial, and your whole turn on skitter here feels like it's motivated by her pointing that out and expressing suspicion toward you more than anything else.
@skitter; how do you think this fits with how i tend to be as scum or town?
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Post #339 (isolation #49) » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:53 pm
Postby tʃɹɪs »
wouldn't scum!skitter also notice menalque acting weird? this wasn't random paranoia. there was a strong reason here that could easily be picked up on by scum i would think.
In post 334, Retti wrote:
tris, if I can level with you, your whole catchup felt like what I've done as scum where I grab a bunch of posts and just vomit out something in reply to look like I am Being Productive and Doing Things (I got called out on this pretty hard last time and had to go into defensive claws out mode in response). It just felt like, Are these the posts a town player chooses to comment on as they are reading the game? And I'm skeptical on that end. Additionally your reads were pretty consensusy and uncontroversial, and your whole turn on skitter here feels like it's motivated by her pointing that out and expressing suspicion toward you more than anything else.
@skitter; how do you think this fits with how i tend to be as scum or town?
...why are you asking her that?
because i want to understand how she's thinking about me
In post 306, tʃɹɪs wrote:i think i've talked about datisi already;
you've only mentioned liking my 33, and like surely that's not the whole basis for "feeling pretty good about datisi being town"? >_>
oh right. i felt like i had said a little more, but i hadn't. it justs seems obvious. everything you say shows that you;re thinking about that game in nuanced ways that show that you are truly trying to figure it out.
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Post #390 (isolation #52) » Fri Jun 25, 2021 5:46 am
Postby tʃɹɪs »
In post 341, Datisi wrote:i'm getting a bad gut ping from tris because she was also playing in that 09:12 game i linked earlier, and i'm kinda... weirded out? that the mentions of that meta boil down to "ok" and "i think that's true". like idunno, idk if tris is a fan of meta or not, but i expected a bit stronger reaction to it? like the two games really felt widely different to me and maybe i'm disappointed that someone else is not noticing it as much as i am but it feels weird
i hadn't really put together a unified theory of bugspray despite having played with both alignments, but when you mention it, it makes a lot of sense. sorry i didn't have a bigger reaction lol.
In post 330, tʃɹɪs wrote:i remember having come to the conclusion that skitter is best treated as scum until proven otherwise.
I think this us isually more in the sense of 'man maybe she's scum, we cant really trust her reads or pushes' and less in the sense of 'she's a good vote because i'm not sure we can townread her' two irl days into day1
yeah fine whatever.
And what retti said abt 'commenting on random posts' resonates quite a bit too
does it resonate with what you remember of my play as town or scum?
