Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

[Farkran]

Hello, Farkran here.

The game lore sounds like a d&d game, i like it! Also i am town and i idled last night.

[Farkran]

Hello, Farkran here.

The game lore sounds like a d&d game, i like it! Also i am town and i idled last night.

hello Fark! i'm town this time! i've decided you are too so don't worry about convincing me if you are actually scum.

Yeah to be honest me too, i won't even try sorting you ever again because it'd be terrible. I will feel alone though, i want to be neighborized

[Farkran]

I will add that my winrate as town in a hood is over 90%!

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Ok but actually tho in my experience a lot of the people who like to complain about the lol fluff posting of day 1 are scum. It's an easy entry for scum to make and has the bonus of actually being bad for town in that in general more discussion equals more potential signal even at the cost of more noise.

That is to say my vote was at least semi-serious.

Hmm. I disagree, but i find this post very towny.

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unwnd is totally stoned face for this. I joked if I should roll a d20 for a skill check on my night action... Didn't even get a "lol" out of them.

Anyways. I have a pretty questionable innate action, and even more questionably use SP skill.

My innate skill is I can check people's current HP. I checked Save The Dragons last night (random.org). They have 3 HP. Comparatively, I have 5 HP.

My other ability, which costs 2 SP is to check a target and see if they are using SP as well the same night. I didn't use it last night.

My "class," is called Sovereign. I'm royalty or something.

This is town to me

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do i have to pull out the ol' "don't claim unprompted in the closed theme" bat again? it's a little dusty but i will.

I mean, there's no point in doing it now. Besides, Toogeloo is probably town.

unwnd is totally stoned face for this. I joked if I should roll a d20 for a skill check on my night action... Didn't even get a "lol" out of them.

Anyways.

I have a pretty questionable innate action

, and even more questionably use SP skill.

My innate skill is I can check people's current HP. I checked Save The Dragons last night (random.org). They have 3 HP. Comparatively, I have 5 HP.

My other ability, which costs 2 SP is to check a target and see if they are using SP as well the same night. I didn't use it last night.

My "class," is called Sovereign. I'm royalty or something.

This is town.

Folks who were in FGO, this is the "Master upgrade clause" thing all over again.

~neuter

Toogeloo is probably town.

Thinking what we're thinking when we're thinking it. <3

And there i thought i was the first saying it.

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reads:
titus town
morph the cat very likely town
toog likely town
chara scum

anyways going back to work cya laterzs

Elaborate on chara

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So uh, the mod promised no lies in this game, yet they said not mafia joined the adventure but at the same time the op (24 players) is also accurate.

I'm confused.

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VOTE: Farkan I would like to start here.

What's this for anyways?

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Starting to lose grasp of the pace

I do have a couple townpings though, from shea, titus and toog. Chara is townbinned forever.

I also kinda like mastina introduction but that's probably because i read this page more attentively than how i skimmed the last 2-3.

I think i will start with VOTE: guillotina because i feel like there's attempt to stay active but content/posts ratio is low - this might be true for other people too but guill made more of an impression to me

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hello mastina!

curious about the Titus townping, Fark.

Maybe she does this as scum too, but i think all her posting is protown atm? At least, i think she can spew later by keeping this up

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Hmm. I think the exaggerated and taunting tone from sigmund is towny, and i could agree with his murdercat interpretation.

And i just realized i am on page 17, sigh

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Sigmund Guilotina asked me for a specific opinion, but I can't reading it.

I felt that Shea was vaguely scummy.
dunno how to feel about JJH repping out.
At first lancer felt like not lancer and thus town but then I remembered the last newbie gme I replaced into and this seems sort of tonally the same IDGAF, but with more words.

@Pedit ty,ty.

This sounds like a scummy post, taking note of it

Seems like it is worded vaguely on purpose

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I feel like Notty has posted about food in the last two games I played with him in his first post and he was scum in both of them. But maybe I imagined it.

@NDmath,
Why those three?

@Pedit: Feel better Titus.

Only reads I have confidence in enough to argue.
The people who stood out to me on initial readthrough were them, and {Toog, anya, sigmund, whemestar, guillo, S_S}.
Calling Toog town seemed pointless.
Can't read anya until later in the phase. No idea how to read guillo.
Sigmund's posts just stand out I can't really place why.
S_S looks town from his comments about Toog but I don't have much confidence in that read yet.
I dislike whemestar's focus on non-productive stuff but haven't played with them before so it could easily be nai for them.

This sounds like coming from a town mindset - separating impressions from reads is something you don't usually do as scum

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VOTE: LLD based off the first two pages.

Chara and Farkran have also attracted my attention.

Oh, how?

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I think LLD is scum with bingle by the way and people giving her a pass a weirding me out too

The feeling i get from murdercat is different than what i expect for reasons

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Im getting really mad with these stupid votes on me.

They feel like they are designed to force me into having to defend myself instead of game solving and that is not fun.

Mine is designed to eliminate you because I think you might be scum actually.

Why you think im scum? Cause the reason you gave along with your vote is not valid and reachy.

Scum so far

Titus
Sigmund
TheStatusquo

Wow, diametrically opposite reads.

Can you elaborate why those three pinged you as scum? Because out of the few reads i have, those are all >rand town to me.

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Current rocks:
Guillotina, Bell, MurderCat?

All attention shall move away from the rocks

The rocks must survive, I need the rocks to survive

VOTE: Bingle

The flareon has the young goddess hypnotized

you too, diametrically opposite reads, hmm.

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I never thought about miller that way, Chara knows better! I'm not a miller though

As for the hood, i like being in a PT. It's so much easier to manage than the main thread, also you get to know secrets and gambits that otherwise get you confused af

More than 1 PT is catastrophical though, missposts and all.

Also it technically was meant to be manipulative, i want to be neighborized.

Anya's spaghetti post might be the first post i like from them, but anyways my read is pending reasons so i won't effort there

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@chara why guillotine town? It pinged me the other way

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1. Morph the Cat (fferyllt/Cabd) - Town
2. Dunnstral - Null town
3. Save the Dragons - I want to say town but I may be attributing some posts of them in my mind to Morph. Gmth town
4. White Fire (Shiro/Firebringer) - Null town, only reserve is buddying.
5. Lady Lambdadelta - Weak town (solely bc past baggage, anyone else solid town)
6. jjh927 Ircher - Null
7. Artemiana - Null scum
8. Sigmund - Null, gtmh town
9. Titus - Moonwalker
10. Bell - Townish
12. NDMath - lean scum
13. WhemeStar - Null, would compromise
14. notscience - Moderate town, hard with the PR
15. Anya - lean scum
16. Guillotina - Null, high priority to sort
17. Toogeloo - Weak town
18. Flea the Magician - Null (I need to sort them)
19. Chara - Weak town
20. Thestatusquo - I want to say town but keeps defending scum
21. MURDERCAT - Town
22. Farkran - Town
23. Bingle - Town
24. Something_Smart - Weak town

I'm ok with this for now

Want this in my iso and i roughly agree with all these reads except murdercat which is a scumlean to me, and guillotine who pinged me wrong but i will need to check again and i may defer this read to others. Confidence level varies on toog and sigmund. Also i have a lot more nulls atm but overall i wouldn't disagree strongly with any of this list.

Currently unsure if agreeing makes titus town, i see titus being maybe overly aggressive and early-talker from what i remember from town!her. Still convinced that if she keeps this up she will alignment spew sooner or later so it's all good.

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The shea-titus 1v1 is the most interesting thing happening currently imo, if i had to pick sides i would be with shea but i am not confident it isn't tvt. Both of them are very vocal in a way that i wouldn't expect from scum!them.

Now if i want to sheep chara i should move my vote but i haven't a good enough grasp of players to do it

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People i wouldn't lim today (this is the strongest confidence i can produce at this time, i have no strong reads, just people i want to ignore on d1):

Titus
Shea
Chara
Sigmund
LLD
Bingle

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Hm, morph also looks good for today

I may want to vote whemestar. Yeah, VOTE: whemestar

Anyone giving a reason not to?

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Recap of the last useful moments in my skim:
Bingle modconfirmed IC
Wagon on ircher growing

I still like my vote on whemestar though, will iso ircher to see if there's ground to join there instead

Also i came to believe that guillotine is town and i was wrong earlier.

[Farkran]

WHat's farkran's deal?

Trying to organize this d1 into people i can vote and people i don't want to vote, i have little experience with most of the playerlist. I have made a couple analysis lists in my iso if you want to check those out.

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want to start solidifying my reads, but we need wagons.

On the second game day?

We need wagons asap. Second game day, first game day...I want people to feel threatened. It generates data.

Wagon me

You're already wagoned enough. I'd rather be on someone with a decent chance of being scum.

Why whemestar does not have a decent chance of being scum?

Who does and could you briefly elaborate why? I.e. "this guy because of this specific post; this other guy because his iso is just noise", etc

I have yet to focus on anyone, so directions are very welcome

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want to start solidifying my reads, but we need wagons.

On the second game day?

We need wagons asap. Second game day, first game day...I want people to feel threatened. It generates data.

Wagon me

You're already wagoned enough. I'd rather be on someone with a decent chance of being scum.

I don’t think I was ever in danger though. Why don’t you think I have a chance of being scum?

You're too transparent and open about asking for help. Town listening to your posts wouldn't want to wagon you because you're emotionally genuine. Scum won't want to wagon you because your being lost makes you vulnerable to being manipulated.

Scum want their miseliminations to either be layups or vocal people they can't con. That's why I am usually wagoned. I'm both weird and stubborn. You're neither weird nor stubborn.

Oh nvm my first question

The second one stands

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There should be more votes on Chara and Ndmath imo.

Why Chara? I'm not finding anything about them in your iso.

They're meh this game.

Name 3 players that are not meh - direct me to understand your pov

[Farkran]

Wait, is Fakran your brother or sister Chara?

Oh that would be tons of fun lol!

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There should be more votes on Chara and Ndmath imo.

Why Chara? I'm not finding anything about them in your iso.

They're meh this game.

Name 3 players that are not meh - direct me to understand your pov

Lld, Morph, Shea,

Also, I don't like that scum aren't going for these particular LHF, so I figure ha the reason they aren't is because they're their buddies.

I don't see any of them as lhf though? They are popular townreads afaik, even if there are people who disagree.

Common definition of lhf would be a popular scumread - the one i recognize being lhf would be whemestar actually, because of very low post/content ratio. Ircher on the other hand didn't seem to be lhf-y but has been voted nonetheless and i kinda disagree with that wagon based on memory

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He should have been more specific about what he wanted when he asked me to name 3 players that weren't playing meh this game then.

This post in particular I'd eat my hat if it came from scum.

This hat.

Eh, i think i came to agree with you. Bell can go to the d1 townbin

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I think i am entering a world where titus could be scum? Despite agreeing with many of her reads, i get the feeling that her stances are forced. Maybe lamisty, and too premature to be truly town motivated.

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V/LA for roughly 24 hours

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I'm back

I skimmed the last pages and i came to believe whemestar could be town, probably he was lost earlier and now he got a better grasp of the gamestate? Makes sense

Which makes me disappointed because the wagon was good and i don't understand people who said it wasn't. Bingle (ofc), shea, sigmund are all town to me + i am town, ndmath didn't make a huge impression to me but doesn't sound like scum. Murdercat maybe? But even if he is, 1 scum bussing out of 6 doesn't make it a bad wagon imo. @bell @morph explain why the wagon was bad please?

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I could vote murdercat or savethedragon for reasons

Also i dislike all the not mafia mechanics in place. If the mod did not lie, and the event does not make sense, i think the most likely explanation is that it's a player made event, i.e. if anyone has a power like "day power: spend 2 sp, create a fake event in game" they could have made this

And it's not useful in any way that i could think of, so my opinion on it is that it's trolling at best, scumfueled at worst.

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I'm back

I skimmed the last pages and i came to believe whemestar could be town, probably he was lost earlier and now he got a better grasp of the gamestate? Makes sense

Which makes me disappointed because the wagon was good and i don't understand people who said it wasn't. Bingle (ofc), shea, sigmund are all town to me + i am town, ndmath didn't make a huge impression to me but doesn't sound like scum. Murdercat maybe? But even if he is, 1 scum bussing out of 6 doesn't make it a bad wagon imo. @bell @morph explain why the wagon was bad please?

Lol Ok. This is a wolf. So you skimmed the thread and you found yourself that you are town. All of it looks like a fake read and definitely not a town mindset.

Town

Bell
Toog
Ircher

Scum

Sigmund
Farkran
1 in Titus/TSQ

I said that i came to believe whemestar is town, but i didn't find the wagon bad and explained why. Other people said they found the wagon bad and i asked why.

I think the way you approached this sounds like town who was happy for having caught something, but really you either misread or misinterpreted my post and you're wrong in scumreading me.

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VOTE: save the dragons

[Farkran]

Yah, you are right, I misread and I got excited I got you in my "Gotcha Read".

Why is Sigmund town for you?

Same question for Titus

It's a toneread mostly, i think his attitude is hard to come around as scum. There are a few players who are able to pull that out but statistically it's >rand town.

Also it seems that his posts are aimed at having people talk and generally speaking advancing the game rather than stall. They are intervalled by trollish stuff but i don't see scumminess.

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can you provide an example of where his posts are advancing the game

898 for example, but his whole approach really

It rings to me as if he wants to have people talk more, take stances and produce reads. Unless Sigmund is known for doing this as scum, that's how i interpret his activity here

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Eh, i know it *can* be faked, i just think -statistically- it isn't how scum usually approach games. I don't know sigmund, maybe he's one of those players who would do that as scum. I would do that as scum for example, but i know i am not part of the majority. I don't want to metadive, although if you have a sample i can read it.

Also doing it *after* it has been pointed out isn't the same thing.

pedit: wrt titus, yes shea's point is really good and i'm still undecided what to do with titus. I think she could be scum, but she's also a player who talks a lot and will be sorted at some point no matter what

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I'd much rather talk about mara, and how she's doing her recent scum meta of trying to get to parking orbit, just out of consensus reach for elim, and is coasting on that.

I might be a page behind, who's mara?

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STD and Sigmund don't feel theatrey to me. STD's vote was there previously and the annoyance was spawned by Fark calling Sigmund town in a way i don't really agree with either.

I also think it's not theatrey, as in they aren't s/s but why not t/s? Let's talk about it when you (and others) have time, sigmund seems to be the hot topic currently

But why is STD town in this scenario? Regardless of sigmund alignment, i mean. They could also be t/t, i'd just like to understand why we are assuming that if they are t/s, the scum part falls on Sigmund.

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I think she could be scum, but she's also a player who talks a lot and will be sorted at some point no matter what

Farkran is scum here. Townies don't scum read someone but considers the idea of letting them live longer just because the player's meta is that they talk a lot.
I'm undecided on whether this looks like a save or a pocket.

Stop tunneling guillotina, you're wrong. Look elsewhere.

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@shea why aren't we talking about std?

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I can't talk in depth about STD but I do think he has a >rand chance of being scum as well.

Thanks

We should vote std, the wagon is developing nicely

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2 days to deadline and no wagon ever reached more than 6 votes

Current highest are ircher and sigmund based on last vc. I don't like either but could compromise on ircher

I still suggest STD as today's lim

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CONFTOWN
Bingle
Artemiana

TOWN
Shea
Chara
Toog

TOWNLEAN
Sigmund
Guillotina
Bell
NDmath
Whemestar
LLD

NO IMPRESSION
Dunnstral
notscience
White Fire

NULL/CAN'T READ
Ircher
Flea
SS
Anya

SCUMLEAN
Murdercat

SCUM
STD
Titus

Current reads. The only read that i'm not satisfied with is ircher because i don't find him scummy and i'd like to understand why other people say so. I don't know the player. I just isoed him to see if i missed anything and gth i'd say townlean. Can anyone point me to where exactly he sounds scummy?

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I have a concern Farky, Arte is cleared by Morph.... I can't see morph on that list.

Morph is town, did i list someone twice?

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I have a concern Farky, Arte is cleared by Morph.... I can't see morph on that list.

Morph is town, did i list someone twice?

No, i just cannot count to 22. Morph is town, alongside shea

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[quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=12807592#p12807592]post 2191[/url], NDMath"]I townread Chara now.
Dunn's posts are better, [post=#12805322]1720[/post] explained the major thing I had against him, and posts are feeling more different than the couple times I've played with scum!dunn.


[vote]Sigmund[/vote]
My reads are most similar to farkran's but disagree with his townread here.
[spoiler=][quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=12805910#p12805910]post 1751[/url], Farkran"][quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=12805865#p12805865]post 1747[/url], Guillotina"]
Yah, you are right, I misread and I got excited I got you in my "Gotcha Read".

Why is Sigmund town for you?

Same question for Titus[/quote]
It's a toneread mostly, i think his attitude is hard to come around as scum. There are a few players who are able to pull that out but statistically it's >rand town.

Also it seems that his posts are aimed at having people talk and generally speaking advancing the game rather than stall. They are intervalled by trollish stuff but i don't see scumminess.[/quote]
[quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=12805921#p12805921]post 1753[/url], Farkran"][quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=12805912#p12805912]post 1752[/url], Save The Dragons"]can you provide an example of where his posts are advancing the game[/quote]
[post=#12794990]898[/post] for example, but his whole approach really

It rings to me as if he wants to have people talk more, take stances and produce reads. Unless Sigmund is known for doing this as scum, that's how i interpret his activity here[/quote]
[quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=12806021#p12806021]post 1778[/url], Farkran"]Eh, i know it *can* be faked, i just think -statistically- it isn't how scum usually approach games. I don't know sigmund, maybe he's one of those players who would do that as scum. I would do that as scum for example, but i know i am not part of the majority. I don't want to metadive, although if you have a sample i can read it.

Also doing it *after* it has been pointed out isn't the same thing.

pedit: wrt titus, yes shea's point is really good and i'm still undecided what to do with titus. I think she could be scum, but she's also a player who talks a lot and will be sorted at some point no matter what[/quote][/spoiler]
Like I feel 1753 is a lot to infer from "half the players not voting are scum, Discuss.".
Your other main point being sigmund's attitude/approach; I don't get what type of player would play like this as town but then wouldn't also as scum? And that is necessary to call the overall approach >randtown.[/quote]
I think i might concede the point about Sigmund, i had thought his posting would evolve into something at least partially conclusive but it's probably just part of his character and therefore the attitude is nai

Including that, my read of Sigmund lowers, even if i still believe there is a sentiment of annoyance more than a true scumread for his slot, and scum might be exploiting this, possibly to counterwagon ircher if this flips town?. I would still rather do STD as my main choice, then ircher. Ultimately i can compromise on sigmund for deadline as a info lim.

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I townread Chara now.
Dunn's posts are better, 1720 explained the major thing I had against him, and posts are feeling more different than the couple times I've played with scum!dunn.


VOTE: Sigmund
My reads are most similar to farkran's but disagree with his townread here.

Spoiler:

Yah, you are right, I misread and I got excited I got you in my "Gotcha Read".

Why is Sigmund town for you?

Same question for Titus

It's a toneread mostly, i think his attitude is hard to come around as scum. There are a few players who are able to pull that out but statistically it's >rand town.

Also it seems that his posts are aimed at having people talk and generally speaking advancing the game rather than stall. They are intervalled by trollish stuff but i don't see scumminess.

can you provide an example of where his posts are advancing the game

898 for example, but his whole approach really

It rings to me as if he wants to have people talk more, take stances and produce reads. Unless Sigmund is known for doing this as scum, that's how i interpret his activity here

Eh, i know it *can* be faked, i just think -statistically- it isn't how scum usually approach games. I don't know sigmund, maybe he's one of those players who would do that as scum. I would do that as scum for example, but i know i am not part of the majority. I don't want to metadive, although if you have a sample i can read it.

Also doing it *after* it has been pointed out isn't the same thing.

pedit: wrt titus, yes shea's point is really good and i'm still undecided what to do with titus. I think she could be scum, but she's also a player who talks a lot and will be sorted at some point no matter what

Like I feel 1753 is a lot to infer from "half the players not voting are scum, Discuss.".
Your other main point being sigmund's attitude/approach; I don't get what type of player would play like this as town but then wouldn't also as scum? And that is necessary to call the overall approach >randtown.

I think i might concede the point about Sigmund, i had thought his posting would evolve into something at least partially conclusive but it's probably just part of his character and therefore the attitude is nai

Including that, my read of Sigmund lowers, even if i still believe there is a sentiment of annoyance more than a true scumread for his slot, and scum might be exploiting this, possibly to counterwagon ircher if this flips town?. I would still rather do STD as my main choice, then ircher. Ultimately i can compromise on sigmund for deadline as a info lim.

SYNTAX EBWOP

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part of me is just waiting for Ircher and STD to return.

@Fark - talk to me ahout STD scum? i'm not seeing why you're very confident about this read when STD is mostly a "meh" slot for me at worst.

Eh, reasons.

Also i disliked how he handled being voted.

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Still like my notsci vote.

That’s not what I said at all

I’m saying the way you have phrased it sounds like you were making a comment while actually knowing the answer

Ninja
Bring it chuckles I eat scum like you for breakfast

You're going to look ridiculous when I flip.

what do you think of this sequence?

I think this is a town reaction from ircher, i had missed it

(Assuming the question was asked to me)

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I like STD's posting on the previous page.

Eh, to be honest i liked it too, that sounded more like what i expected from town!STD even if i still disagree about his takes

I'm conflicted, my only remaining scumread is titus but i don't want to vote her today. Maybe murdercat. It isn't strong though, and i hardly see viability.

If i have to compromise i currently prefer sigmund over ircher

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Pooky alt huh

I don't think so, doesn't sound like pooky, the attitude is leaning more towards arrogant than sarcastic

I'm asking myself if i am ok with the wagon but i probably am ...

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I'd like a vc first though

(it's awkward that i'm talking to myself)

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VOTE: flea

Compromise time.

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VOTE: flea

Compromise time.

Why faer over Sigmund

Higher wagon + i didn't particularly like how fae reacted to the push in the last ~10 pages that happened overnight. The last i remember from town!flea she was much more carefree even when fae got mislimmed (by scum!me and my followers).

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Would you compromise on Anya?

You would be vote 5
Bingle 6
Morph 7

+

With a few of those votes being moved, faer would no longer be the largest wagon

I wouldn't vote Anya for reasons. That being said, i don't know the player, i don't think i can read her properly, and i don't think it would be particularly valuable info compared to the alternatives.

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I liked fleas most recent posts a decent amount and I still don't like a single thing sigmund has done all game.

Do you? I actually had the opposite impression on flea. STD made me change my mind with his posts, at least enough to live another day - flea's anwers and reasoning don't seem to be in line with a town mindset in the last ~10 pages? Maybe it's just a consequence of faer week, or because this is a large messy game, but fae reacted differently when fae got mislimmed d2 in chara's isaac game where i was scum

@chara am i misremembering?

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WRT anya i do agree that the wagon isn't good mostly because of titus imo

Flea v sigmund isn't anything i'm super excited about but there is a chance of a red flip on one of the two wagons, currently i prefer being on flea

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Was Bell in that game?

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I liked fleas most recent posts a decent amount and I still don't like a single thing sigmund has done all game.

Do you? I actually had the opposite impression on flea. STD made me change my mind with his posts, at least enough to live another day - flea's anwers and reasoning don't seem to be in line with a town mindset in the last ~10 pages? Maybe it's just a consequence of faer week, or because this is a large messy game, but fae reacted differently when fae got mislimmed d2 in chara's isaac game where i was scum

@chara am i misremembering?

@this and @s_s

I like how unconcerned they seem about facing elim. There's not a huge push back survival instinct that I would expect to see from scum!flea. In flea scum games the response is usually to attack those attacking fae, which fae doesn't do with guillotina which is consistent with Flea thinking that fae is being pushed by a town-read. I liked the stuff about S_S as well, as it seems to match the kind of solving attempts I saw in my brief skim of the iso that morph posted.

If you're into metadiving, check this viewtopic.php?f=83&t=85957&p=12726633#p12726633

Day 2

I'm going from memory so i might be wrong somewhere but i'd rather have more people be on the same page

[Farkran]

Would you compromise on Anya?

You would be vote 5
Bingle 6
Morph 7

+

With a few of those votes being moved, faer would no longer be the largest wagon

I wouldn't vote Anya for reasons. That being said, i don't know the player, i don't think i can read her properly, and i don't think it would be particularly valuable info compared to the alternatives.

What reasons?

Reasons is the placeholder of "i can't talk about it now"

[Farkran]

Would you compromise on Anya?

You would be vote 5
Bingle 6
Morph 7

+

With a few of those votes being moved, faer would no longer be the largest wagon

I wouldn't vote Anya for reasons

. That being said,

i don't know the player, i don't think i can read her properly,

and i don't think it would be particularly valuable info compared to the alternatives.

This is scum, regardless of what happens today. Like, this is the worst hedging nonsense I've ever seen.

Wow i didn't even notice this until guillotina pointed it out

Anyways you should really drop your tunnel guillo, because i'm town and it's not the first time i tell you so. If you are town, and i think you are, it's part of your wincon to let me live.

@LLD, what in that post sounds hedging, given that i can't talk about my motives for not voting anya?

[Farkran]

I've briefly isoed all the voters in the flea wagon and i think the likeliness to flip scum for them is, respectively: [town], farkran, morph, dunnstral, notscience, guillotina, bell, whitefire, sigmund, [scum] with at most 2 scum on it assuming flea flips town, 0 to 1 if fae flips scum

In particular i realized how little town credit i have been giving to dunnstral and notscience up to now, but their iso sounds good. Sigmund is not scum with flea but might be scum if fae is town. Bell has ups and downs, i remember why i didn't like him at first but at some point i changed my mind and i forgot when that happened lol. Guillotina i think is town, whitefire i have no idea and i will reasses on a flip if it happens. Morph still town.

All in all i'm happy with my vote there (this is based on the last mod vc, i lost track of changes if there are any)

[Farkran]

Actually not mafia shifted the votes required by +1, otherwise it would be 12 for 23 people

[Farkran]

VOTE: murdercat pending reassessment

I honestly thought anya was town and i doubt scum!chara would defend a partner so strongly + i understand why Chara would townread her

Flea also still a good vote for this day

[Farkran]

Oh and i just noticed that i received a serenade

[Farkran]

VOTE: titus very fine with this too, i was sring her already

@artemiana do you have an innate attack ability too?

[Farkran]

I can't mess around with the HP of other people

Acknowledged thanks

[Farkran]

Just one heads up about mechs today

If artemiana is town and telling the truth (and i strongly believe so based on d1 events), the guilty check cannot fail.

Checking the doppleganger wouldn't produce a guilty result if the target doesn't exist, it would produce a no result. That has been the standard in all games. If the result was "they share an aligment" there is no option other than titus scum. Mod does not lie.

[Farkran]

If you introduce a targetable doppleganger and a parity cop, you can't screw up the whole game giving miller results

[Farkran]

Also it is literally called "duplicate" so it must assume it has the exact same characteristics as the original except where stated otherwise (attack power and hp are different)

[Farkran]

I still refuse to believe that the duplicate mechanic could give miller results, especially after it has been confirmed that NM could be targeted last night

I also refuse to believe that town! artemiana does a fake guilty gambit on titus of all people, it's an extremely dangerous move for no reason at all because even if it is correct it's going to be a liability later

And i have a very, very hard time believing that scum!artemiana pulls up a fake guilty on a controversial player like titus (controversial = not universally townread, not a threatening role, not a town leader), that's suicidal and almost literally against wincon because if titus flips town, at least i am going to lim artemiana immediately with no second thoughts

People arguing otherwise are worrying me (mostly looking at chara and morph right now)

[Farkran]

I still refuse to believe that the duplicate mechanic could give miller results, especially after it has been confirmed that NM could be targeted last night

I also refuse to believe that town! artemiana does a fake guilty gambit on titus of all people, it's an extremely dangerous move for no reason at all because even if it is correct it's going to be a liability later

And i have a very, very hard time believing that scum!artemiana pulls up a fake guilty on a controversial player like titus (controversial = not universally townread, not a threatening role, not a town leader), that's suicidal and almost literally against wincon because if titus flips town, at least i am going to lim artemiana immediately with no second thoughts

People arguing otherwise are worrying me (mostly looking at chara and morph right now)

She has literally admitted it was fake.

Wait where

[Farkran]

Wow. My disappoint cannot be described.

Meh. I am still suspecting titus based on play but now i don't know what to make of artemiana. That move is bad as either alignment, although it's probably worse to pull off as town.

Apparently i will have to read more about chara and morph.

[Farkran]

Farkran how do u feel about my dear old friend funnstral

I recall townreading him but forgot why

Post-flip some of my reads changed a bit but dunnstral wasn't on my spotlight during the night, so i'd say he's still a townread, pending a re-iso that i don't know when i will be able to do

What are your thoughts on these people: chara, shea, morph, murdercat?

[Farkran]

This fake guilty thing left me a bit lost so i will take a step back and reorganize my thoughts

1) i agree with bingle that LLD is super town post-flip

2) the STD kill probably comes from town? If scum have access to just 1 factional kill it must be toog

3) following up from point 2, it could point to NDMath scum rather than flea or sigmund.

4) maybe guillotina is also scum given that he has only pushed town and defended scum so far, i.e. 2966 seems to be a scummy position to take around flipped scum + he has been pushing me since forever + his logic is very very questionable

5) set aside nka and vca, i still dislike the ongoing defense of titus from chara and morph

before

artemiana admitted it was a fake guilty. This is regardless of titus alignment.

6) shea seems to be genuinely disappointed, although i am a bit concerned about his vote patterns. Is he known to be a passionate scum player? If that's the case, he could be scum here, otherwise he's a strong townread. Wouldn't vote there today anyways.

7) SS is very likely town based on what i know of him

This is pretty much where i am at with my current reasoning, everyone else is just a gutping or faded memory.

[Farkran]

7) SS is very likely town based on what i know of him

Could you expand on this?

No

4) maybe guillotina is also scum given that he has only pushed town and defended scum so far, i.e. 2966 seems to be a scummy position to take around flipped scum + he has been pushing me since forever + his logic is very very questionable

What's scummy for wanting to yeet in my scum reads? I'm happy we flipped anya and I wished I got credit for it but no biggie, there is more scum to hunt.

I have been pushing you since forever? I actually forgot about you, do you still feel pressure from me from Day 1? Do you you feel that just my sole presence is a threat?

Idc about pressure, but from my pov you've been pushing town and defending scum based on logic that i don't agree with and that's a red flag to me

1) i agree with bingle that LLD is super town post-flip

Why do you feel my Day 1 FoS on you like a consistent push today, but not LLD's who also scumread you on Day 1?

LLD scumreaded me but she also pushed scum to death in a pivotal situation and that's way more valuable

5) set aside nka and vca, i still dislike the ongoing defense of titus from chara and morph before artemiana admitted it was a fake guilty. This is regardless of titus alignment.

her claim literally changed from "targeted myself" to "targeted NM" partway through and i didn't like her justification for it at all. that and i never bought that one of anya's duplicates could be used for a cop check.
and i was right, so.

morph seems to know Arte better and so recognized the whole gambit thing.

As much as i <3 you, i find your reasons to defend titus a bit weak. I think this would be how scum!you would act when given the opportunity to shade a cop without taking too much of a hit if you had to backpedal off your stance.

like even if Arte is town, you expect me to believe a claim that half-baked in a meta where town fuck up or just lie all the time?

Eh, well, yeah you should have imo. Maybe i'm just out of touch with the town meta but i'm still concerned that only a couple people immediately doubted a guilty report without any significant reason to do so - i am aware i am projecting my expectations onto others but it doesn't mean i am wrong

[Farkran]

I am ok with a murdercat wagon VOTE: murdercat

[Farkran]

This looks a lot like town murdercat to me.

Hmm. Doesn't seem that way to me. I remember town murdercat to be much more productive and proficient with his reads, and able to obvtown when pressured.

This game is a bit different and i admit that i am still very very confused about what is going on, but i wouldn't say murdercat is necessarily town based on his analysis. I disagree with his scumreads, but i agree with his townreads, which is kind of a red flag.

[Farkran]

This looks a lot like town murdercat to me.

Hmm. Doesn't seem that way to me. I remember town murdercat to be much more productive and proficient with his reads, and able to obvtown when pressured.

This game is a bit different and i admit that i am still very very confused about what is going on, but i wouldn't say murdercat is necessarily town based on his analysis. I disagree with his scumreads, but i agree with his townreads, which is kind of a red flag.

I challenge you to find a day one of a large theme where that is true.

Given that this is probably my... third large theme, i think? i have no experience with your question

But do you believe that town!murdercat puts artemiana and LLD at the opposite sides of his readlist based on the analysis that he did around post 4000?

[Farkran]

context being i'd expect that Farkran would be more curious about the general town meta regarding fake guilties/town gambits in general that would make me react the way i did, but it seems he's formed this conclusion while acknowledging his lack of experience. if he is scum i imagine he took my skepticism as an opportunity to poke around in spite of how he was treating my slot before.

though i still feel like his play seems largely like uninformed town.

I'm still strongly against meta-diving, but my opinion on the matter has formed because very few players reacted that way - let's call it "the tmi way" for lack of better terminology. I am still skeptical that it would be the standard town reaction, regardless of how many times it happened in the past - even moreso if you sell it as if everyone should react like that when in fact only two players doubted the claim at first (afaicr, correct me if i am wrong).

[Farkran]

I can vote ndmath too, if i defer my mc read to shea

Ircher looks townier to me bc of wagon position + posting

[Farkran]

I just don't know what the case is on NDMath and Titus is pushing it.

NDMath hasn't said a ton but I feel like I've agreed with most of what they've said so I'm unsure why they're being voted aside from activity.

Me too, but the problem is that all of my d1 reads were shit and scum probably joined the people who wanted to vote outside of anya more than actually being those who directly saved her

I'm strongly convinced the wagon on sigmund contains scum, maybe on flea if fae's town. STD was vigged so the choice is narrowed. MC, ndmath and flea are always good votes today and those also help with info on you (shea) and titus

[Farkran]

MOD EVENT

Hotfix VC, story will resume in the next one...

Votecount 2.1

MURDERCAT [7]: Lady lambdadelta, notscience, Farkran, Dunnstral, Sigmund, Chara, NDMath
NDMath [4]: WhemeStar, Artemiana, Guillotina, Titus
Titus [2]: Bell, Ircher
Ircher [2]: morph the cat, Thestatusquo
Dunnstral [1]: White Fire
Bell [1]: MURDERCAT


Not voting (2): Bingle, Something_Smart

With 20 alive it takes 11 to eliminate. Stratum 3 ends in (expired on 2021-06-14 22:25:25).

Final Votecount 1.14

Adventurers

:

Anya [13]: Ircher, Lady Lambdadelta, Titus, Bell, Sigmund, Dunnstral, notscience, Something_Smart, Artemiana, Bingle, Whemestar, Flea The Magician, Toogeloo

[Hammer!]

Sigmund [5]: Save the Dragons, Flea the Magician, NDMath, MURDERCAT, Thestatusquo
Flea the Magician [4]: White Fire, Farkran, Chara, Guillotina
Lady Lambdadelta [1]: Anya

Not Voting [1]: Not_Mafia, morph the cat

Cross-examination of last VC vs Anya hammer VC makes me say that 1 scum out of {mc, ndmath} is almost guaranteed, probably not both scum

They were both on sigmund in d1 and i think sigmund is the most town out of the {sigmund, flea} pair, although i wouldn't say they are necessarily t/s, just that flea is more likely to be scum imo

[Farkran]

*sighs* Time to find the other scum.

Ircher reads more self absorbed than scummy.

Something Smart might just be scum.

Why SS?

[Farkran]

Also i don't like ircher as today's elimination

My current scumreads: murdercat, ndmath, flea, titus

My concerns: chara, guillo, white fire, shea

Everyone else is fine to me as far as today is concerned

[Farkran]

Also i don't like ircher as today's elimination

My current scumreads: murdercat, ndmath, flea, titus

My concerns: chara, guillo, white fire, shea

Everyone else is fine to me as far as today is concerned

What’s your concern about me and shea?

Both you and shea have a towny tone but have made weird choices with your reads. To elaborate, i feel that town!shea shouldn't have agreed so much with me in d1 when he knows that my reads are horrible - but this is just a hunch to keep in mind for later, i don't want to push shea today.

As for you, guillo, i know for a fact that you have been pushing town in d1 and dodged the scum wagon. Again, this isn't a huge basis for pushing you and in fact i am not, but if people want to iso me after i die this could be useful

[Farkran]

Of the people voting for Me/Flea prior to Anya-wagon gaining steam and pushing to the front and going thru I suspect the following:

Chara
NDMath

Farkran
White Fire

I don't like how they played out the last part of D1.

If Flea is town, the way these four players were positioned feels the most to me like "scum who are ok with T v T being the leading 2 wagons and then being caught flatfooted when Anya rips up and becomes a thing"

I still have not read anything that happened on D2 sorry I have been busy.

Do you think flea is town though?

[Farkran]

About my 3 names, i have already gave them earlier here i go again:

Murdercat - didn't like him during d1 and hasn't obvtowned himself later, i know he's capable of doing that but he didn't
Ndmath - bad wagon position + nka
Flea - bad wagon position + scummy tone, different than what i know from town!flea

[Farkran]

I am a notorious busser as scum, and i've lost all games where i actively tried to stray away from my scum meta - if i was scum, in this game i would cash credit on correct reads instead of hardtownreading my partner going down because i just lost one where i didn't: this was with SS and chara a few weeks ago.

Aside from that though, i think that if flea was town fae was going to fall around 2825 - that is because, as several people said, anya went down thanks to people moving from flea, as opposed to the wagon on sigmund which remained roughly the same up to d1 eod, which makes me think that scum were already consolidating on sigmund, didn't want to vote flea and didn't have the manpower to save anya.

That's the main reasoning behind my current scumreads and why i want to lim one in {mc, math, flea} today.

[Farkran]

I really want to lim on sigmund wagon tbh. I doubt that there would be more than 2 bussers on anya, likely less, and trying to go for the 1 or 2 bussers in 13 sounds suboptimal - if you disagree about the amount of bussers i'd like to argue why they didn't finish off Sigmund or flea

[Farkran]

I really want to lim on sigmund wagon tbh. I doubt that there would be more than 2 bussers on anya, likely less, and trying to go for the 1 or 2 bussers in 13 sounds suboptimal - if you disagree about the amount of bussers i'd like to argue why they didn't finish off Sigmund or flea

They tried and moved to anya towards the end?

How many? Take into consideration that one of them was flea faerself and the other was toog (= flipped town)

[Farkran]

@flea nothing in particular, but if you're town make sure to have a clear list of your stances.

I would have a hard time arguing with scum!you because i know you can be a good talker so i'd rather use vca and vote patterns to sort you.

However, if you feel that my opinion on your votes and position is wrong, it's still worth it to do your best at explaining why.

Mostly:
1) why did scum not finish you off before town moved to anya?
2) who pushed you in a scummy way from your pov?

[Farkran]

Ndmath - bad wagon position + nka

You still haven't explained how nka points at me.

3934, point 3 which stems from toogeloo iso

But that's not the main reason why i think you could be scum

[Farkran]

Mara- 1895, 2176 Is a town approach to Not_mafia, that apprehension and caution about being an elim bait isnt likely to come from scum who knows that the entire purpose of it.

Bell- 1539 Doesnt feel like scum who knew about it, feels like town who missed something. Didnt really need to do Bell. Did it for completion’s sake.

Bingle- Still scum. I’ve been telling you guys all game.

Chara- 206 Feels kinda forced and artificial. Like, “I know I need to address this but not really sure how”. Could be either alignment, but I think its >randscum

Dunn- 1722 Originally states it is likely a double voter, saying not to waste an elim on it, and to kill it with HP damage instead. Surface level a town approach. Dunn talks about not_mafia and playing around the potential as a double vote a fair amount, and I think scum him wouldn’t be focused on something thats so wrong? Like, why does scum Dunn use multiple posts elaborating on and latching onto setup spec he knows is incorrect to have people play MORE safely and not elim it?

Farkran- First mentions notmafia in 271 in a post that literally says nothing. I feel like that is a scum fencesit WRT the notmaf entry. Also then just kinda says “Yeah its definitely scumfueled” in 1718 in a way that yet again feels inorganic. I don’t think anyone in the game doubted it was a scum creation, and this feels again like addressing it but not addressing it.

Flea- Needs a new title so I can search Mafia in their ISO. I tried other permutation and I don’t think Flea ever addressed it,

Guill- See Flea.

Ircher- They are in permanent catchup, but the only time they mention NotMaf is 3593 in response to Sigmund’s “Three in this pool are scum” which is, again, ridiculously obvious its a scum role so it seems very lame to address here (also im also in the pool and we all know how I feel about that)

LLD- Never addresses notmaf.

Morph- not digging through to ffind this but they address they knew what was going on D2, they ignore it day 1, in line with the train of thought as someone who knew it was a bait going in. I still think theyre town but have to include them too

Murdercat- Not an interaction with notmaf but Im including it here for posterity’s sake- 374 calls Farkran’s reaction genuine and I felt like it was anything but the sort. Otherwise totally ignores Not Maf.

NDmath- totally ignored notmaf

Sigmund- Only mention is 1711, a throwaway about how it could be an auto-hammer. Not totally out of the realm of fakeable, but I think that kind of random setup spec about what’s going on that is actually off the mark is more likely a town tell.

S_S- Totally ignores Notmaf

Shea- 276 I like the brusqueness of this, I feel like this seems like a kinda genuine reaction. I suppose you could argue TMI, but this felt like an organic train of thought. Town.

Titus- 1544 notices notmaf, weak votes him in 1705. Like, super weak. Dont think it makes sense from a buddy who knows the inside scoop?

Wheme- 205 greets notmaf in a way I dont think wheme would do as scum? And 211 leans into the incorrect setup spec like hes excited to play with notmaf, which someone who knew he wasnt in the game wouldnt be.

White fire- 1437 acknowledges they need a prod. Tries to start a wagon there in 1645. Was fairly actively pushing a notmafia elim day one, not a great look.

So basically, town reactions-
Bell, Morph, Wheme, Mara, Shea

Lean town-
Dunn, Sigmund, Titus

Ignored him-
LLD, SS, NDMath, MCat, Guill, Flea, Ircher

Scummy reactions-
Farkran, Chara, White Fire,

"I don't think anyone doubted it was a scum creation" - false, a lot of people didn't know anything about nm. Also i said that people voting nm were scummy and i explained why, not that nm was a scummy creation

Also the scummiest reaction in this list is titus but she ended up being lean town?

[Farkran]

So completely unrelated to the Troubadour role in Etrian Oddesy?

You know, the title which literally means "warndering poet"

What powers do you think a troubadour would have, based on your knowledge of the lore?

[Farkran]

NDmath Or murdercat please.

Whichever of those two survive needs to get chopped.

I'm not really interested in an Ircher wagon RN.

I strongly back this up.

[Farkran]

Also the scummiest reaction in this list is titus but she ended up being lean town?

Too scummy to be scum is a thing.

Is this the real reason why you placed her in the townlean bin?

Also welcome dwlee!

[Farkran]

Evaluating in the interest of the deadline incoming:

Is there any interest to eliminate flea today? I might be willing to give up on mc because of some of his recent posting, although i'm still convinced on 1 scum in {mc, ndmath}. Could always do ndmath as well but i'd like to know who would be interested in flea instead.

[Farkran]

VOTE: ndmath it is, then

[Farkran]

VOTE: murdercat back here

I buy ndmath claim given the circumstances

Still available for voting flea, not interested in anyone else today

[Farkran]

So completely unrelated to the Troubadour role in Etrian Oddesy?

You know, the title which literally means "warndering poet"

What powers do you think a troubadour would have, based on your knowledge of the lore?

@morph this was a relevant question

[Farkran]

Not sure how I feel about the balance of watcher/doc/ic all being town, tbh,

This seems familiar

Lmao

We all going to walk past the blatant role fish from Fark?

Why do you assume it is a rolefishing question? Think again.

[Farkran]

So completely unrelated to the Troubadour role in Etrian Oddesy?

You know, the title which literally means "warndering poet"

What powers do you think a troubadour would have, based on your knowledge of the lore?

@morph this was a relevant question

Our working theory was something akin to yuumi in league of legends. So like neighborizes who buffs that stats of whoever they are pair bonded to.

Fits the class in the game anyways.


Could also be like hider or something but yeah. Some sort of connection between two players with a stat boost.

Ok thanks, this will be useful later

[Farkran]

Day is not evolving

I'm still strongly convinced that one of the two main wagons is on scum and on the offchance that ndmath claim is true (it is backed up by sigmund after all) i'd rather lose murdercat first.

If mcat flips town, attack ndmath. If mcat flips red, reassess.

[Farkran]

I skimmed the last 4 pages, i have one question: votes on ndmath are because you believe he's a scum watcher?

[Farkran]

Is there a reason why lying to have no sp would benefit scum?

[Farkran]

Out of 6 scum nobody knew or at least thought that no sp abilities does not equal no sp? When it is explicitly written in the mod rules?

I find it more likely that ndmath was told he *currently* has no sp (because he spent them or they were drained) but is able to generate more, and this exhange has been misinterpreted by either or both parts

I have my own issues with ndmath, but i don't understand the pushes based on the potential lie about sp mechanics. It seems a pointless lie to come up with as scum.

+ I'd like to hear from murdercat an up to date analysis on his own wagon, who's scum and why

[Farkran]

What's the scum motivation behind this lie and the refusal to confirm titus? It doesn't make sense to me

It would have been easier and not harmful to just tell the truth. It wouldn't have implied ndmath scum and neither titus town.

The way i see it, ndmath told the truth about sp. That doesn't make him town either but people who push him based on that reasoning are concerning

[Farkran]

Hmm, post 4321 makes it pretty clear that it wasn't a misunderstanding, so scratch that theory

It is still beyond me how this lie would benefit scum!ndmath, but more than that i have an issue with people believing it does - if ndmath was pushed for being a scum watcher honestly it would be fine. I also scumread ndmath. But the reasons why he's being pushed are bad and it's a flag i don't like.

[Farkran]

Why do you scumread NDMath Farkran?

I also made it clear there was a "guilty" on me at the time of NDMath refusing to confirm my actions. It might have been a hand caught in the cookie jar thing.

VCA mostly. I dislike all of the d1 sigmund wagon and i've been trying to identify scum on it. A minor part of the sr comes from toog iso wrt ndmath.

I don't think that his refusal to confirm your action is relevant in any way though - he could very easily confirm it but still scumread you and push you.

[Farkran]

Eh. I'm going to drop my argument because i have reasons to believe x and the opposite of x.

I'll be around later and hopefully murdercat will have answered my question

[Farkran]

MURDERCAT [8]:

NDMath

,

WhemeStar

,

Ircher

,

Bell

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Chara

,

Farkran

,

Sigmund

@Fark This is my gut take on my current wagon, I can't really reconcile Bell pushing me so hard with Ircher being town

I think this has internal consistency even if i disagree with ~5 out of 8 reads (namely me, bell, lld, possibly ircher, possibly whemestar)

Comparing to:

Final Votecount 1.14

Adventurers

:

Anya [13]: Ircher, Lady Lambdadelta, Titus, Bell, Sigmund, Dunnstral, notscience, Something_Smart, Artemiana, Bingle, Whemestar, Flea The Magician, Toogeloo

[Hammer!]

Sigmund [5]: Save the Dragons, Flea the Magician, NDMath, MURDERCAT, Thestatusquo
Flea the Magician [4]: White Fire, Farkran, Chara, Guillotina
Lady Lambdadelta [1]: Anya

Not Voting [1]: Not_Mafia, morph the cat

Your reads are compatible with a world where 1 or 2 scum bussed anya.

Do you think flea is town? What do you make of flea voting ndmath?

[Farkran]

Morph and Mara please vote for MCat. If he flips green I will shoot SS for you tonight.

Shooting SS is a bad choice anyways

[Farkran]

Eh ok then

I made up my mind, i think i want to give ndmath the benefit of doubt and see murdercat flip first. If he flips town, i'm ok with shooting ndmath, there's no way these two are both town

[Farkran]

I attacked NDMath for at 2 damage and i have reason to think titus attacked ndmath too, which amounts to enough hp damage for his death

Also i am extremely underwhelmed with my reads and don't know what to say about it.

I want to VOTE: catboi and move on. If you have any question, @farkran me

[Farkran]

I want to claim first if we do massclaim

[Farkran]

Farkran (LANDSKNECHT)

Night 0 attack: No Damage Dealt
Night 1 attack: 1 or 2 damage to White Fire, pending mod answer about action order
Night 2 Attack: 2 damage to NDMath

[Farkran]

Farkran (LANDSKNECHT)

Night 0 attack: No Damage Dealt
Night 1 attack: 1 or 2 damage to White Fire, pending mod answer about action order
Night 2 Attack: 2 damage to NDMath

Well I know the answer to that one already. （；¬＿¬)

Night 1 i attacked for 1 damage.

[Farkran]

Dwlee99 (Warrior/Pugilist)

Night 0 attack: No damage dealt
Night 1 attack: Farkran for 2 Damage
Night 2 Attack: Ircher for 2 Damage

I did not receive 2 damage.

[Farkran]

Dwlee99 (Warrior/Pugilist)

Night 0 attack: No damage dealt
Night 1 attack: Farkran for 2 Damage
Night 2 Attack: Ircher for 2 Damage

I did not receive 2 damage.

I retract this

After confirming with the mod, i did receive 2 damage during night 1.

[Farkran]

we'd be dead flipped confirmed town right now

Instead, we have been told that the mod will explicitly confirm this error and that we have permission to make this post, and the game will proceed with that confirmation

I confirm this and apologize for the error placed on this game. I will say nothing further.

If the mod confirms the bolded and then it turns out to be false the game is void, and i don't believe it is. Morph is 100% literally confirmed conftown, as is bingle.

That being said, i disagree with his reads, or rather i know for a fact that he's not following the right track in his colorcoded readlist - if it was just my hunch, i would not trust myself over him, but that's not the case

I do agree with the green reads though. If i had to flip someone today it would be one of these:
Catboi
Flea
Chara

@chara i did read your post but i feel like you are pocketing me strongly here because scum want me in elo, and your red flip would also have a relevant consequence to my reads.

If Chara is scum i think this game is going to take a turn for town victory, but i am definitely not 100% sure that chara is scum. If we are not willing to take that risk today, i'm ok with Flea. Shea/T3 were tonally very town and as much as i can be wrong again, i'd rather look for someone else.

[Farkran]

VOTE: flea

[Farkran]

Shea/T3 were tonally very town

Did you just call T3 towny @_@
I wanna go off on this but no one needs that right now. I'll go off on it later.
I haven't read a single one of his posts and I dont believe you/if he really sounds towny, he's scum.

All of that is based on shea which covers 95% of the posts made by the slot, T3 has just repped in

[Farkran]

One of the moderator rules is that scum must use at least one damaging ability each night, and I don't think the factional kill counts as that.

Where does this come from?

[Farkran]

@chara i did read your post but i feel like you are pocketing me strongly here because scum want me in elo, and your red flip would also have a relevant consequence to my reads.

If Chara is scum i think this game is going to take a turn for town victory, but i am definitely not 100% sure that chara is scum. If we are not willing to take that risk today, i'm ok with Flea. Shea/T3 were tonally very town and as much as i can be wrong again, i'd rather look for someone else.

i'm sorry Fark, this is not your game. i keep reaching out to you because i like you and this game has been hard to find things to like in. that's all. :>

Eh i mean, this will never be my game regardless of being correct or not, lol. All my reads have been wrong so far, literally all of them, not like some other games where i said something correct among the poop - anyways, it's either i keep trying or i give up and blind sheep. The latter could probably be better for my wincon but it's just not part of my character.

[Farkran]

meh, VOTE: T3

[Farkran]

Yeah okay.

As previously mentioned, I'm Troubadour. I have an innate one-shot loyal neighborize, which I used on Fark N1. So he's confirmed town (or he will be once I flip, anyway). I crumbed this (I can pull up the crumb if anyone cares, but it wasn't meant to be found, just for him to point to if I died). I picked him because he was both in everyone's nulls and someone I thought I could work well with (my other candidate was Chara, but I thought Chara was more likely to receive pressure from how they defended Anya).

I also have a one-shot 3 SP ability to make my neighbor's non-damaging actions unblockable for the next night. It is a buff as morph predicted, but not a very useful one.

I have 6 HP. I haven't taken any damage so far. If notsci actually did attack me, then I don't know why it failed.

Oh and i just noticed that i received a serenade

I have been in a hood with SS since that moment, he claimed to me and i to him because as much as i can paranoia about him not being a town (and therefore not loyal) neighborizer, i decided to take my chances and trust him. It was a bet that i am still supporting right now, so i'd much rather not have SS flipped before we try to find the other scum and leave this matter for later if necessary.

Our reads in the hood have been as bad as you can infer from our d2 votes. After Murdercat flip, i wanted to attack ndmath because i was sure one of the two were scum, he suggested to actually attack ircher but i wanted at least one of my reads to be correct. And it wasn't.

[Farkran]

Hey just so you know, nobody would have cracked that code.
If you died, it's the rare scum player that would have counter claimed.

i was informed of that crumb shortly after i entered the hood

[Farkran]

Fark did you think/say SS was town before or after that crumb

I was townleaning SS from the d1 wagon on anya, but to be perfectly honest i didn't ask myself the question. I was happy i had been neighborized because it is fun and i decided to bet the game on him being town, we claimed immediately and the crumb followed shortly thereafter. The paranoia started after MC and NDMath flipped town, but rereading d1 still gives me faith about SS town, though not so much as to spell the entire town defeat with a single move

For the record, SS asked me to gambit his position in his claim by telling everyone that not only i was confirmed town to him, but also him to me. I refused though, because i deemed the risk/benefit ratio too high in case i flipped before him. I still believe SS is more likely town than scum anyways.

[Farkran]

For the record,

SS asked me to gambit his position in his claim by telling everyone that not only i was confirmed town to him, but also him to me.

I refused though, because i deemed the risk/benefit ratio too high in case i flipped before him.

Somewhere, in the great dead thread in the sky, skitter is shouting "Purple Room Crasher" from the top of her lungs.

I have no idea what this is, i tried looking up the tenet game but it's multithread, complex stuff that i don't have time to dive in

Since i acknowledge you as conftown, if you have questions to ask about the hood, please go ahead

[Farkran]

My thoughts for today are pretty much these

Regardless of SS alignment, we now have 3 conftown players to work with. One of these will probably die n3, the others shouldn't have enough chip damage to die immediately since none of them claimed being damaged except for me.

There are other players that i/we strongly townread based on dayplay, mostly sigmund and notscience. Tbh i also townread Bell, LLD and dwlee, but i don't trust my own reads enough to put them in the pile. And SS, ofc.

Everyone else is game.

[Farkran]

Yeah okay.

As previously mentioned, I'm Troubadour. I have an innate one-shot loyal neighborize, which I used on Fark N1. So he's confirmed town (or he will be once I flip, anyway). I crumbed this (I can pull up the crumb if anyone cares, but it wasn't meant to be found, just for him to point to if I died). I picked him because he was both in everyone's nulls and someone I thought I could work well with (my other candidate was Chara, but I thought Chara was more likely to receive pressure from how they defended Anya).

I also have a one-shot 3 SP ability to make my neighbor's non-damaging actions unblockable for the next night. It is a buff as morph predicted, but not a very useful one.

I have 6 HP. I haven't taken any damage so far. If notsci actually did attack me, then I don't know why it failed.

uhhh

Cool, let's flip S_S and see what we see.

This feels ilke it could have been a planned Gambit between S_S and Farkan to have S_S flip this badly with this claim and see if Farkan can't sneak up into confirmed town territory.

I would be worried if Farkan's response to this included anything about being confirmed town, regardless of S_S flip.

This is not a real thought, and it's also not temporally believable - you were already informed at the time of this post otherwise you would have worded differently

[Farkran]

Anyways i'm fine with anyone on the scum pool, LLD just happens to enter it right now

VOTE: flea

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@morph @bingle at this point you should not care about the rest of the playerlist, pick a target and all town should sheep you blind. I thought about this and i came to the conclusion that i cannot trust anyone, including me. At least if you lead the elimination we can be sure it's not scumdriven.

[Farkran]

I think my vote is already on flea but VOTE: flea to make sure

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We die at the end of this stratum FYI, but we don't have anything important left to say? At least I don't, lady ffery may wish to gloat on her own some to match mine.

Our solve is good. If game isn't voer after you murder all of VFP, Gamma, S_S, then murder fark. If game STILL isn't over, murder unwnd for bastard moderation.

Swap me with Chara and this should work

Ftr i attacked nora last night

[Farkran]

This is where i am right now with my notes

darkgreen and red are flipped results, lightgreen is townread, purple is scumread, white is nullread.

I asked

@unwnd

for the final day 3 VC but he hasn't delivered yet

[Farkran]

Night Morph

N0 - no action

N1 - protect Sigmund from 2 chip damage

N2 - protect Sigmund from 2 chip damage, lolbodyguarded Artemiana

N3 - attack VFP for 1 chip damage, protect Sigmund from 2 chip damage, activate awkward Bulletproof

VFP has been hit by +1 dmg based on this

[Farkran]

Checking in

I attacked vfp last night

Bell who did you attack?

[Farkran]

Well at this point we're down to 1 scum left and i'm more inclined to believe it's ircher or chara rather than ss

Anyways we have 2 conftown and 3 hard townreads to work with, i'm fine with anything

[Farkran]

AFAIK if he flips town that means farkrans town and them from my pov its just chara

I'm always town at this point regardless of ss alignment

[Farkran]

Who attacked ss night 2?

[Farkran]

If i can do math this is the situation:

9 town vs 1 scum
Farkran and Bingle are conftown
Sigmund can protect either of us at night

I suggest the following kill order:
Today we lim chara
At night we all attack ircher, 1 town also dies
Tomorrow we lim ss
At night we all attack dunnstral 1 town also dies

At this point if it isn't game over it's still 3v1 and you can no-lim for odds. Chances of victory are rand>90%

That will be my input for today, if you want something different, speak up, i don't have any intention to strongman this

[Farkran]

Actually, thinking about it, limming SS first is probably wiser but doesn't really make a huge difference as long as we agree that the slots that should never be removed are me, bingle, sigmund and bell. Everyone else should die before endgame

I am aware of how easily pocketable i am in hoods lol.

@chara i still love you even if you're scum, and even moreso it i am wrong!

[Farkran]

If i can do math this is the situation:

9 town vs 1 scum
Farkran and Bingle are conftown
Sigmund can protect either of us at night

I suggest the following kill order:
Today we lim chara
At night we all attack ircher, 1 town also dies
Tomorrow we lim ss
At night we all attack dunnstral 1 town also dies

At this point if it isn't game over it's still 3v1 and you can no-lim for odds. Chances of victory are rand>90%

That will be my input for today, if you want something different, speak up, i don't have any intention to strongman this

I mean the two important things here are
1) decide who should not be removed
2) leash night attacks so that we don't accidentally increase casualties for no reason when we can have full control on kills now

The order of kills then doesn't really matter

[Farkran]

It's over yeah

aw, i am pocketable af

[Farkran]

gg everyone

sorry for defending scum so hard lol

i still had a couple reads correct d1 though, should've stick with those instead of going through the whole murdercat vs ndmath thing

also sorry chara, at least we can set this as our first time as town together. Didn't go that well but we can learn.

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I think the modding was great, unwnd. The events surrounding mastina were unfortunate, maybe the game would have been different, it's always sad when the mod needs to take direct action upon the players rather than just managing and directing. Just like in a sport game, the referee should ideally never take any action, but we all know that, some times more often than others, actions need to be taken.

I personally liked how the error regarding morph and artemiana was handled. I am not aware of how scum planned to direct the gamestate with artemiana alive and morph dead - the game as we knew it had a very good solve from morph which carried us to victory, but artemiana was still a cop. The town landslide towards the end was probably too much, but in the end we had all the good slots towned up enough that i think it would have been a town victory regardless. I am always open to discussion if you feel i'm wrong in my opinion.

That being said, please don't bash yourself too much unwnd! The game has been enjoyable, at least to me, the playerlist was very very good and i don't regret joining and playing with you all.

I do wonder though why the mafia couldn't manage to get more kills with all their firepower. They had like 10 damage per night in addition to the factional kill? What happened?