Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

[Ircher]

Night 1:

No Damage: Something_Smart, Flea The Magician, Chara, catboi, Bell, T3, Lady Lambdadelta, morph the cat
Save The Dragons: Dunnstral (2)
Catboi: Farkran (1)
Farkran: Dwlee99 (2)
Notscience: Ircher (1)
Ircher: notscience (?)



Night 2:

No Damage: Something_Smart, Flea The Magician, Bell, T3, Lady Lambdadelta, morph the cat
NDMath: Dunnstral (2), Farkran (2)
Ircher: Dwlee99 (2), Chara (1)
catboi: Ircher (1)
Artemiana: catboi (1)
Something_Smart: notscience (?)

Btw, unless someone lied, there's at least one scum in each of these lists.

Namely:
Dunnstral, Farkran, Dwlee99, Ircher, notscience is pool 1
Dunnstral, Farkran, Dwlee99, Chara, Ircher, catboi, notscience is pool 2

One of the moderator rules is that scum must use at least one damaging ability each night, and I don't think the factional kill counts as that.

[Ircher]

Well there's no way to be certain, but they could have. Like the person targeted is going to know there's unaccounted for damage barring special abilities; unwnd updates us at the end of each night.

pedit: That is true.

pedit2: General mechanics rule 4 in Post 2.

[Ircher]

Binds are probably some kind pf roleblock if I were to hazard a guess.

[Ircher]

Most of mastina's role pm was redacted, so I ignored it.

[Ircher]

Okay my earlier theory was incorrect and the factional kill counts as a damaging ability.

pedit: No.

[Ircher]

Norra even though I have a feeling your slot is scum all game I still like that you replaced in. You’re enjoyable to play with

Side note, nora is town. Same as the Bell-Tell. Nora low posts and has no energy as scum unless she's somehow confirmed

Eh, Noraa has a broader range of play than Bell I think. I think Noraa's play so far is townish, but I wouldn't go to locktown levels yet.

Also
VOTE: T3

[Ircher]

VOTE: Smart

Sorry, I don't believe that claim.

[Ircher]

I don't think there's a loyal neighborize shot in this kind of setup.

[Ircher]

The claim is precisely the kind I see scum making to buy time.

[Ircher]

And?

You can make plans in advance. It's not too much a stretch to tack on a loyal modifier to your claim.

[Ircher]

Well if Smart is telling the truth (still don't really believe him), then LLD is 100% scum by sheer poe.

[Ircher]

He seriously does the weirdest shit in the world.

Okay, but this isn't an excuse for scummy behavior. Like at this point, many people have a reason to be higher on the list, so the lack of such a reason is in itself a reason to be towards the bottom. The way T3 handled claiming was pretty scum-indicative even if there are plausible other explanations.

Why is useless fluff scum indicative?

Are you seriously asking this?

If I were scum, I would not claim no action there because scum cannot multitask

Uh, this is just false. If I recall correctly,

everyone

can multitask.

Guillo has never been that cutesy before and I think there's a really big problem with this read.

What do you mean by this? The only impression I got from Guillotina was that he was very genuine/serious about his beliefs even despite the questionability of some of them. What specifically did you find cutesy?

The DK tell worked on him.

Last time you used this (on Battle Mage), you were wrong. The tell doesn't seem too reliable to me.

I confirmed on discord but didn't get the actions until after I asked.

Probably worth noting this seems to be the norm. Even though I replaced D1, I still had to ask to get unwnd to tell me what my predecessor did N0.

[Ircher]

viewtopic.php?p=12614529#p12614529

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Don't ISO him. Look at the timing and surrounding context.

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many people have a reason to be higher on the list

I dont agree with that.

Bingle, morph confirmed town
Sigmund claimed doctor and counterwagon to scum
Bell by meta (somewhat debatable, but I think it's at least higher than rand town)
I'm claimed vig

I could list more, but please tell me why these don't deserve to be higher than T3.

[Ircher]

Last time you used Dk tell, you were incredibly wrong.

[Ircher]

So are we still killing S_S

I'm in favor. I still think its high scum equity and don't really believe the claim. If it is true and I'm wrong, it's still a win because Fark becomes confirmed.

pedit: Bingle is Innocent Child; revealed Day 1.

[Ircher]

I am a friendly villager.

MOD EVENT

Bingle is aligned with the

Town.

From the backup mod.

[Ircher]

Please read from here where Noraa/Batsunami used the dk tell on Battle Mage only for it to be totally wrong.

[Ircher]

Also, Guillotina was far from charismatic and townie this game.

[Ircher]

Subject: Titus v Nancy Drew (Game Over)

Cant wait to get nk'ed night 1. it'll be glorious.

But. Everyone will listen to me on the BM SR because this is a tell that I have used to catch multiple scum in under twenty pages. It is 100% effective and a tell that has never in the history of MS failed me before. I wasn't planning on saying it day 1 because I find that sometimes attacking a deep wolf(a potential one ofc cuz he isn't one quite yet) when they are highly TRed always leads to me looking worse and not being able to kill them. But I have decided that I will power drive this launch today and make it happen day 1 and probably get nk'ed tonight.

I am telling you that I will willingly die if BM flips town because I know for a fact that he is scum. This is a tell that has ALWAYS worked for me.

I call it "the DK tell"
If someone that is typically unlikeable and not charismatic is suddenly charismatic and towny, they are scum. If you agree with everything they say and find them an absolute beacon of towniness, they are scum. Period.

It is simple. It is short. But it has worked EVERY SINGLE TIME that I have used it.

[Ircher]

That's a contradiction.

[Ircher]

You cherrypicked three posts whereas there were several instances Guillotina argued for pages with other people about things like Sigmund TMIing.

[Ircher]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Too_Townie

[Ircher]

I think this day's had enough discussion.

[Ircher]

Except my teacher is mean enough to give all odd numbers so I dont get the luxury of doing that.

Typically, it's the odd ones that have the solutions, at least in my experience.

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UNVOTE:

[Ircher]

Hate to say it, but I think the self vote might be town. Not definite though; I know Fae got pretty angry last time fae were wagoned as scum.

[Ircher]

I think Smart flip is better than T3 due to the claim. What are your thoughts there, Noraa?

[Ircher]

I was more asking from a reads standpoint, but maybe you haven't had a time to really read, so this is okay as well.

[Ircher]

At this point everyone regards me as confirmed scum. I'm not, but honestly no amount of effort from me will change that. I'll just be a liability if I survive to lylo. VOTE: t3

Yeah because you are.

[Ircher]

And we're supposed to believe that?

[Ircher]

VOTE: Flea
Very well.

[Ircher]

Vote Flea

[Ircher]

For the record, I couldn't shoot last night. I doubt anyone expected me to be able to.

[Ircher]

So what's the plan today? Lim T3 and kill Smart at night?

pedit: Okay.

[Ircher]

Noraa probably died from HP damage.

[Ircher]

Gamma can at least claim. Then go in peace.

[Ircher]

Where's the chip damage kill from scum

Yeah I was wondering that too.

[Ircher]

Spoiler:

This is where i am right now with my notes

darkgreen and red are flipped results, lightgreen is townread, purple is scumread, white is nullread.

I asked

@unwnd

for the final day 3 VC but he hasn't delivered yet

You don't believe I'm a vig, or do you think I'm a scum vig?
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Are we still claiming or no?

[Ircher]

I shoot VFP tonight and we stack on Smart. Lim Gamma.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Gamma

[Ircher]

There's no point stacking on VFP when I am going to do a mortal damage kill on them tonight.

[Ircher]

There's no point stacking on VFP when I am going to do a mortal damage kill on them tonight.

[Ircher]

Okay fine, we can do that instead.

[Ircher]

notsci suggested we reverse SS and VFP for kill/stack due to ascetic claim. I'm fine with either but we should come to a concensus so we're all clear.

I'll go with whichever is the last posted.

[Ircher]

Sounds good. Everyone vote fast night please.

[Ircher]

My action failed.

[Ircher]

Someone remind me what binds do.

[Ircher]

And why is Bingle /still/ alive?

[Ircher]

I might as well full claim.

So as I said earlier, I'm a gunner. I have four abilities. I've already claimed two of them. The vig ability costs 3 SP, but I also have a passive that gives me an extra SP if the vig shot is successful. Hence, I was able to shoot last night.

My other ability is basically a damage redirection ability. I can target a player and take half the damage they receive in their place. I targeted Bingle N1, notscience N2, Bell N3, and Sigmund N4.

[Ircher]

Also, I'm at 1 HP rn and am really surprised scum didn't kill me with HP damage given that they seemed to bother roleblocking me last night.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Smart

No.
pedit: I've been hoping to die the last two night phases.

[Ircher]

It's probably just Smart and gg.

Fark and Bingle are clear. Sigmund is high prob town. mechanically. Bell is likely town by play.

That leaves myself, Wheme, Chara, and Dunnstral. Oh and notscience but eh.

[Ircher]

1) If I were scum, I wouldn't lolkill Dwlee here.
2) If I were scum, I would actually shoot Smart here. I wouldn't claim roleblocked because there'd be no point.

[Ircher]

I might as well full claim.

So as I said earlier, I'm a gunner. I have four abilities. I've already claimed two of them. The vig ability costs 3 SP, but I also have a passive that gives me an extra SP if the vig shot is successful. Hence, I was able to shoot last night.

My other ability is basically a damage redirection ability. I can target a player and take half the damage they receive in their place. I targeted Bingle N1, notscience N2, Bell N3, and Sigmund N4.

[Ircher]

1) If I were scum, I wouldn't lolkill Dwlee here.
2) If I were scum, I would actually shoot Smart here. I wouldn't claim roleblocked because there'd be no point.

Like unless a townie wants to claim they roleblocked me here, it really doesn't make sense for scum!me to claim roleblocked here. There's a gambit yes, but the risk is too much especially after a Dwlee lol-kill.

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Anyway, I should never be the lim unless it's LimLo because at 1 HP, I can very easily be killed at night by scum or by town.

If it isn't smart, my bets would be on Dunnstral. Then Chara; I think Wheme is just town here.

[Ircher]

If it isn't smart, my bets would be on Dunnstral.

Based on what?

PoE and the fact that I know you can be a very good deep wolf.

[Ircher]

We should just lim and go though. There's really no point to dragging this out with a discussion.

If the game doesn't end, you can kill me at night and then kill Dunnstral. Follow up with Chara if that fails.

[Ircher]

why am i less likely scum than Dunn for you, Ircher?

I think you've taken stances and shown progressions that read more as town than Dunnstral.

[Ircher]

Let's be honest here:

If Smart was town, I wouldn't have been roleblocked. Scum would gain almost nothing from that. At best, they might have a little easier time getting rid of me (can cast doubt on my claim), but that's it. Smart was going to die regardless; they simply delayed it by a phase or two. I'm dying anyway as well. Letting me shoot town!Smart has the advantage of bringing them closer to LimLo.

[Ircher]

Thanks for modding unwnd. It was still a neat game.