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[Dwlee99]

Okay no more voting we're just vibing now

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: taco
It's time

[Dwlee99]

"Taco Hemingway" why did you roll scum? It's less fun if you don't get to play the game anymore but here we are

[Dwlee99]

I expect that after you horribly egregiously read my slot in your last game incorrectly on several levels of wrong, you would actually adjust how you read me rather than do the same exact thing, wouldn't you agree?

I correctly read your slot until VFP replaced in + a fake guilty on the slot.

[Dwlee99]

oh nvm i misread your post i thought you said "despite"

regardless your read on me is wrong here if you are legitimately scumreading me

Okay but I can't just take your word for it y'know.

[Dwlee99]

Tris we are town block now. Okay?

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Shrek

[Dwlee99]

Petition to turboelim Shrek

[Dwlee99]

why would you turboelim me

that's not a very nice thing to do

Why me = fry me. Caught em

[Dwlee99]

Is your profile picture Jojo?

[Dwlee99]

How bizarre

[Dwlee99]

My reasoning is all there Shrek.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Pavoski

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Pavoski

Why pav??

ISO pav

[Dwlee99]

Bad ISO

[Dwlee99]

Okay I'm kind of trolling: so 17 is LAMIST and then 119 is a bad reaction to something which doesn't comment on 100 posts that had happened between his first and second posts.

[Dwlee99]

Okay I'm kind of trolling: so

17 is LAMIST

and then 119 is a bad reaction to something which doesn't comment on 100 posts that had happened between his first and second posts.

Please explain this.

It means "Look at me I'm so town"

[Dwlee99]

That list for me right now includes:
Taco
Sean
T3
Shrek probably

Why aren't I here

[Dwlee99]

You should vote someone

[Dwlee99]

The post calls for a plague on the mafia.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Salsa

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Zyla
If you were town I don't think you miss literally the next post where I say what about their ISO I didn't like. You selectively quoted it to make it seem like you had more of a point than you did.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Zyla
If you were town I don't think you miss literally the next post where I say what about their ISO I didn't like. You selectively quoted it to make it seem like you had more of a point than you did.

You mean 194, where you mention Pav's first two posts, which were obvious jokes? Like I mentioned in that same sentence?

Except you asked a question in 308 ("so how is this enough to be a bad ISO?") but I literally answered it the next post if you had read.

[Dwlee99]

Okay I'm kind of trolling: so 17 is LAMIST and then 119 is a bad reaction to something which doesn't comment on 100 posts that had happened between his first and second posts.

This is how

[Dwlee99]

Okay I'm kind of trolling: so 17 is LAMIST and then 119 is a bad reaction to something which doesn't comment on 100 posts that had happened between his first and second posts.

This is how

How does the fact that they are joke posts factor in? Do you still feel that they're important?

It doesn't help because of how late the second one is, when there was plenty of time for Pav to react to anything that had actually happened.

[Dwlee99]

Okay I'm kind of trolling: so 17 is LAMIST and then 119 is a bad reaction to something which doesn't comment on 100 posts that had happened between his first and second posts.

This is how

How does the fact that they are joke posts factor in? Do you still feel that they're important?

It doesn't help because of how late the second one is, when there was plenty of time for Pav to react to anything that had actually happened.

Do you still feel that they're important?

Not as much because pav started actually playing the game.

Pedit: this is probably scum

[Dwlee99]

can you point out where you think zyla scumtold?

308 - the read on me is bad and shallow, the post cjosen by Zyla wrt Salsa are

[Dwlee99]

Misclicked submit, post continued:
The post chosen by Zyla to respond to Salsa on doesn't feel like it actually does anything (just "why is this LAMIST"). The first wall (or two?) by Zyla were also devoid of any analysis.

[Dwlee99]

I just don't think Zyla is doing anything special here, just giving very generic analysis of some of the posts, and it doesn't feel like real solving (like the point to Titus was "null scum get back to me when you actually do a content") when Titus pointed out the first two walls didn't have content in a way that feels off-puttingly defensive.

[Dwlee99]

oh, VC reminds me VOTE: Dwlee99
The fact that your vote felt OMGUS is bad enough, but I don't like how much you're making me spell out the question without just asking me to elaborate on the question.

Also "lol I forgot to vote my scumread"

[Dwlee99]

oh, VC reminds me VOTE: Dwlee99
The fact that your vote felt OMGUS is bad enough, but I don't like how much you're making me spell out the question without just asking me to elaborate on the question.

Also "lol I forgot to vote my scumread"

reread your post.
tell me if it actually is a rational reason that someone is scum.

like it isn't even scummy, you're just choosing to say that its scummy because of a preexisting scumread now.

like i literally also changed my vote because of the vote count. does that make me scum too?

I think it is scummy if you forget that you're supposed to vote your scumreads. Also this was the weakest of my points so I wish you would talk about the other ones

I just don't think Zyla is doing anything special here, just giving very generic analysis of some of the posts, and it doesn't feel like real solving (like the point to Titus was "null scum get back to me when you actually do a content") when Titus pointed out the first two walls didn't have content in a way that feels off-puttingly defensive.

Well, yeah, it's not anything special, it's just playing the game. And while I can understand it feeling defensive that I scum read Titus for that,

I'd like to think that if I saw someone call someone out for not having any good reads I'd scum read it regardless of if the read was on me.

Why is the bolded scummy?

[Dwlee99]

Well the informed implication there is that they aren't actually looking for scum, just pretending, and so would forget to do anything with their "reads" because it doesn't matter to them.

[Dwlee99]

No but you don't understand, my reads are completely infallible and Zyla is evil. I might as well have rolled day cop.

[Dwlee99]

I'd like Zyla to check in and interact first before I do reveal my thought process wrt this so that it can't just be copied

Yes please

[Dwlee99]

Homie, it isn't because they're joking posts, it's because the first one is LAMIST and the second one was a weird reaction and they didn't follow it up with doing anything, just dipped from the thread again. I quoted you my post so I don't get why you keep saying this.

[Dwlee99]

Pressure because of the above. If they come and give content great, if they flub reacting to it then even better.

[Dwlee99]

I don't see anything terrible reading his ISO.

[Dwlee99]

I'm not convinced enough by anything you said to leave my tunnel taco.

[Dwlee99]

0%

[Dwlee99]

0%

[Dwlee99]

Do a bunch of the new players know each other?

[Dwlee99]

I'm not counting you. I'm talking about the people that all entered the game in a similar way talking about voting day one.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Lucifier

I'm on a mission from God and I have a daycop guilty.

Lucifer probably flips scum here I agree

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Lucifier

I'm on a mission from God and I have a daycop guilty.

Lucifer probably flips scum here I agree

Because I believe it is stupid and unnecessary to vote when there have been no night actions performed? The risk if lynching a member of the town on a D1 lynch is higher then it is to lynch a Mafia, based on pretty much all of the other games I've had a look through. Seems like you are just throwning suspicions around.

The vote from Titus is even more bullshit. Is it because I haven't commented since Page 11. Take note I have a 16 hour gap where I'm not able to comment, 8 hours sleep and then 8 hours at work. During this time is when most people from the States are active, but seeing as I'm on the other side of the world, I am active when most players here are probably asleep.

It will literally always be more likely to randomly eliminate a townie than scum, and the other people that I am thinking you know that also had reservations about this style are at least trying to form reads and reactions but you have dug your heels into not doing anything. Look at other mini normals: you're not gonna be able to rely on a cop telling you who all the mafia are here.

[Dwlee99]

Lucifer do you intend to play when it isn't attacking people for thinking you're evil?

[Dwlee99]

By attack I meant calling them evil...

[Dwlee99]

It will literally always be more likely to randomly eliminate a townie than scum, and the other people that I am thinking you know that also had reservations about this style are at least trying to form reads and reactions but you have dug your heels into not doing anything. Look at other mini normals: you're not gonna be able to rely on a cop telling you who all the mafia are here.

Don't like either Lucifier or Dwelee here.

Dwelee is right in that Lucifer is trying to coast. It's not his lack of vote I object to its his lack of content.

However, Dwelee comments on Lucifier not being able to depend on a cop, which kinda suggests Dwelee knows Lucifer as town or wants to portray that.

I'm letting him know that if he is town he should start playing the game.

[Dwlee99]

What about Pav's read wall do you find bad (except the Zyla townread? )

[Dwlee99]

Pavo/Galaxis /Zyla has a nice ring to it.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Pav

[Dwlee99]

I wish I was a triple voter.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Zyla
Well that was a fun adventure but Zyla is still scum.

[Dwlee99]

The odds of something that didn't happen happening is 0 :thonk:

[Dwlee99]

Taco I want your updated Zyla opinion.

[Dwlee99]

No

[Dwlee99]

Laughter does little to quench my thirst for blood.

[Dwlee99]

...but thanks lol

[Dwlee99]

Idk Lucifer/pav/Galaxis/salsa?/t3

[Dwlee99]

Everyone else at least townlean. What's wrong with thinking any of those people could be scum?

[Dwlee99]

Nothing, it's just interesting that you don't have even one of them just slightly higher on your possibilities list

What?

[Dwlee99]

Zyla

[Dwlee99]

Idk Lucifer/pav/Galaxis/salsa?/t3

All LHF players

Strong players can't be scum? Or you're scared to face them?

Kinda rude to call yourself LHF

[Dwlee99]

Lucifer

: please read 454

[Dwlee99]

Does anyone have any major gripes with anyone above the magic clear line?

[Dwlee99]

but instead of trying to work with me, they are just posting smilies.

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee, I'm curious, apart from me, who do you think could be scum?

Idk Lucifer/pav/Galaxis/salsa?/t3

Lmao, do you have any reads other than me?

Everyone else at least townlean. What's wrong with thinking any of those people could be scum?

Nothing, it's just interesting that you don't have even one of them just slightly higher on your possibilities list

Nothing, it's just interesting that you don't have even one of them just slightly higher on your possibilities list

What?

Read this interaction, Seanzie, then with a straight face tell me Zyla is your top town read.

[Dwlee99]

I agree it is an awkward interaction, but I don't see it as necessarily scummy. Idk Zyla as a player, but them asking you if you have any reads other than them right after you listed scum suspects seems weird in a way that I can't attribute as being AI. Like, what is the scum motive there? It looks like they're just confused. If I had to prescribe scumminess, I'd say they were nervous and just straight-up flubbed, but again that is IF I had to prescribe it, I don't see anything that truly suggests that. How are you interpreting that interaction?

Aside from this, what other things do you find scummy there? I didn't like Zyla's first two posts, but I thought their posts after that looked reasonably good. Since I'm finding most people scummy in this game, the least scummy of the bunch ends up at the top of the list.

She was trying to shade me for my scum pool being "too big" it looks like and also just completely flubbed out of there when I questioned what she was trying to say. Like what does "it's just interesting that you don't have even one of them just slightly higher on your possibilities list" mean? I didn't put them in any real order, and I obviously think she is the scummiest so her comment doesn't make sense.

The other things I found scummy were that her first reads list had me as scum for very bad reasons, including missing the next post in the thread where I had explained something. She also accused me of OMGUSing her and then OMGUS'd me but only after she remembered she was supposed to vote by the vote count.

[Dwlee99]

I don't see her posts that way, however I agree that her not answering your follow-up question leaves it quite ambiguous in a bad way.

Kinda still seems like that given her followup below your post

I disagree with this. Her thoughts on you looked quite good IMO. I think your posts involving Pavowski were bad, and her questioning you about it was reasonable. You seem stuck on the idea that she didn't quote a specific post that you wanted her to quote. Sure, she probably should have, but considering that you felt the need to immediately clarify your "bad ISO" post, maybe that was because you also realized it looked scummy?

I clarified because I was messing around and being vague rather than direct and I figured it was probably better to just say what about the two posts I didn't like. I feel like Zyla didn't actually engage with the reasons I provided and wants to stick it under "oh they were jokes" when my reasoning was more than about that.

She voiced a scumread on you, then you started pushing her about it. I don't necessarily think your push was purely OMGUS, but I can see how she could see it that way. The vote count thing is NAI, I pretty much always reconsider where my vote is when I see a VC, so I don't see that as a valid reason to suspect her.

I don't see how you can think she could see it that way. (Jeez that was tied together) My push isn't because she thinks I'm scum, it's cause she thinks I'm scum for bad reasons.

Looking through her ISO, I do notice more reactionary content than I remember originally, so I will give that as a strike against her. Your points have not swayed me much though

One thing I do like from you is that you had relatively nuanced reasons for your read there. One thing I don't like from you is that most of your case does seem to be OMGUS. Her scumread on you is what set you off, her not giving you credit for a post you made, you push as scummy. You interpret her comment as saying you have too many scumreads when it doesn't really say that.

It isn't that she didn't give me credit it's that she ignored it when reasoning about pavo

Can you do a trustfall on her?

I assume you mean would I go 1 for 1 with her? Yes.

It seems odd to me that apparently you view all 5 of those as equally scummy

I didn't say nor imply nor anything that. You asked who I thought could be scum other than you, I gave you 5 names and even put a question mark next to one. That you think I was saying that I scumread them equally makes me think you weren't really trying to get anything out of your question i.e. you're not trying to sort me i.e you're scum.

I didn't 'miss the next post', I just didn't feel that it was sufficient, so I asked you to explain more
Also, my vote on you wasn't OMGUS, I was making a case on you, and the way you were reacting to it wasn't making me feel you were town. The vote count reminded me that I hadn't yet switched my vote, which I had been planning to do after I finished going through ISOs

You didn't ask me to explain more.

[Dwlee99]

I can understand having a large scum pool, after all, with possible exceptions for power role stuff,

everyone in this game except for me could be town

Can someone enlighten me as to who Taco is?

I want to know so I can know how best to work with them?

Taco is Koba

[Dwlee99]

No, a trustfall is when you try to find something that could indicate a person is town even if you find them scummy. I'm not saying you need to find something that flips your read around, but could you give one positive point on that slot, or do you think there is nothing redeeming about Zyla in this game?

No, I don't think any of her posts indicate genuinely trying to solve the game. Her reads are weak sauce. The only other thing she has done other than give her reads is her interactions with me which you already know I don't like.

[Dwlee99]

I skimmed her ISO and didn't find anything the first time but I guess I can do it again

[Dwlee99]

I got bored looking for a townie post

[Dwlee99]

You'd think that would look worse for Zyla than for me

"She has asked people questions about what they're thinking"

and then what has she done with it...?

[Dwlee99]

I have heard zero good reasons to townread Zyla and yet everyone seems to be doing it these days.

[Dwlee99]

tunneled

me? never

about this whole reluctance thing: I'm not being reluctant. I'm telling you I didn't find anything actually townie on a skim of her ISO and then got bored trying to do a deeper dive on it. Not even the questions she's asking can I actually find townie because iirc she hasn't even done anything with the answers to those.

[Dwlee99]

Town

:
Shrek
Taco
Tris
Ssbm_Kyuoko
Seanzie

Scum

:
Titus
Dwlee
Salsabli Faria
Pawoski

Idk

:
Galaxy
T3

Fixed

Terrible reads and you forgot Zyla lol

[Dwlee99]

If Zyla flips scum (high probability btw) throw Lucifer out the nearest escape hatch

[Dwlee99]

You should try voting someone, might make it more interesting for you.

[Dwlee99]

Kyo ilu for putting it so plainly with all the details. I didn't know how to explain it because it was something I felt was sort of obvious to my reasoning.

[Dwlee99]

You're basically not playing the game right now. If town, you have no chance to pressure anyone or form reads. If you're scum, you avoid having to commit to a vote or any reads which makes it harder to read you because you're not doing anything. Either way, it's anti-town play and also probably boring for you.

[Dwlee99]

It's not necessarily huge, but forgetting one specific player (that has definitely not been 'invisible') is kinda weird, do you agree?

[Dwlee99]

@T3 read my posts and Kyo's on it

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:
What's up taco?

[Dwlee99]

I already scum cased her. Kyo summarized some of the points or clarified them cause I just didn't make some of the stuff as explicit as Kyo did. There's a genuine scum case here and I don't get why you townread her

[Dwlee99]

My case isn't about what I'd do, it's what I think town does. For the record, I think Seanzie probably flips scum here as well. I figure he is just bussing though

[Dwlee99]

My case isn't about what I'd do, it's what I think town does. For the record, I think Seanzie probably flips scum here as well. I figure he is just bussing though

You're still projecting something that doesn't actually take into account the individual nuances. You're still projecting yourself.

This makes me feel like you haven't really considered my case

[Dwlee99]

I mean Taco did you see the way Zyla reacted to my case? It felt like she folded when I started pushing her, and I maintain the things she did that I started pushing her for were scummy. When are you getting home? You keep saying she is in town so town case her, cause I don't feel like I see what you see at all.

[Dwlee99]

Okay pick

one

substantial point (not the little extra points) I've made, explain why it indicates town rather than scum, and I will reconsider it.

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee, I'm curious, apart from me, who do you think could be scum?

Idk Lucifer/pav/Galaxis/salsa?/t3

Lmao, do you have any reads other than me?

Everyone else at least townlean. What's wrong with thinking any of those people could be scum?

Nothing, it's just interesting that you don't have even one of them just slightly higher on your possibilities list

Nothing, it's just interesting that you don't have even one of them just slightly higher on your possibilities list

What?

Read this interaction, Seanzie, then with a straight face tell me Zyla is your top town read.

Taco what are your thoughts on this interaction, for starters?

[Dwlee99]

If I had to pick one to be scum, it would be Sean bussing actually. He had Z at near mason levels of confidence and now he's at scum lock despite Z's play being largely the same.

[Dwlee99]

[Dwlee99]

Taco respond to my arguments or I'm gonna be impatient and hop back on the Zyla wagon.

[Dwlee99]

Except the entire discussion she is trying to paint me as scummy/discredit me for something that is ??? and the tone is also off while she does it.

[Dwlee99]

Either way, your turn to find something townie you think she has done and I'll look at it.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Zyla

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Zyla

[Dwlee99]

T3 the kind of person to bring you in to a dark alley and whisper [redacted] to you.

[Dwlee99]

my current scum list is basically just seanzie, lucifer, zyla atm.

Okay vote Zyla

[Dwlee99]

Taco I know you don't want to kill your buddy but maybe I can look past your evilness if you vote for her?

[Dwlee99]

You better be masons with Zyla or something

[Dwlee99]

nightkill shows zyla is town. if dwlee or I died I'd be more willing to entertain zyla scum here - but lucifer quickhammer and their vig claim being unverified is enough openwolfing for me.

Your role pm is red isn't it (
I'm sad now

[Dwlee99]

yeah thats a pretty good point

VOTE: Lucifer

dwlee can i get your thoughts on lucifer and stuff when you have the time

He forgot Zyla in the reads which was weird. Besides that no clue. Also he logged on this morning at some point so he isn't completely gone and let's not quickhammer a claimed vig thanks

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Taco

[Dwlee99]

If I was scum!zyla I would never night kill me. Maybe that's why I'm alive?

[Dwlee99]

I've tried to engage with you on why Zyla is town and you've given me nothing fmpov and so I think you're either TMI or can't BS reasons to think Zyla is town

[Dwlee99]

Maybe cause she scumread you

[Dwlee99]

I have seen it twice now, what is WIM?

Lucifer claimed vig which I have some reason to think is legit

[Dwlee99]

For one: if scum he would have gotten vigged last night if there is one.

[Dwlee99]

And also fmpov it looks like you counterwagoned when I caught scum. At the end of the day you were saying shoot zyla if pav flips scum so what happened to that?

[Dwlee99]

It's at least one of seanzie and taco and also Zyla

[Dwlee99]

Tris also higher than rand scum

[Dwlee99]

We all keep dancing around zyla
VOTE: ZylaVOTE:
Music is off now

[Dwlee99]

Yeesh
VOTE: Zyla

[Dwlee99]

I feel like with the fact that we don't know the setup, for all we know the kill that went through was the vig (doctor, jailkeep, bulletproof town, etc)

[Dwlee99]

Put Seanzie in the Seanzie PoE

[Dwlee99]

Also remove Shrek and probably Lucifer

[Dwlee99]

Why isn't Tris in your PoE?

[Dwlee99]

Can we replace t3 with seanzie?

[Dwlee99]

Seanzie I think Shrek is trying to solve the game, that's why I townread them.

[Dwlee99]

zyla is town

if she wasnt then there would be a loud voice gone off her wagon.

simple cause and effect. The night kill doesn't lie.

Or don't do that and then just pretend this is a reason to townread her?

[Dwlee99]

Kyo do you wanna play tic-tac-toe?
I'll start:
x | |
| |
| |

[Dwlee99]

Wow that turned out awfully

[Dwlee99]

Kyo town seanzie scummy. Any other questions?

[Dwlee99]

I can at least agree with that

[Dwlee99]

I feel like I spent the end of day one trying to pry a reason to townread her from your hands and got nothing.

[Dwlee99]

I feel like I spent the end of day one trying to pry a reason to townread her from your hands and got nothing.

You're too tunnel visioned to accept anything I said about Zyla that was positive.

Lemme quote something for you

Either way, your turn to find something townie you think she has done and I'll look at it.

This was then followed by Lucifer hammering and you haven't responded since.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Seanzie
Taco I think you're right on Seanzie but also I'm right on Zyla I'm pretty sure so we do that next pretty please

[Dwlee99]

Also I think I was right on Seanzie before you and now you're stealing all the credit smh

[Dwlee99]

My case isn't about what I'd do, it's what I think town does. For the record, I think Seanzie probably flips scum here as well. I figure he is just bussing though

Was that before this?

[Dwlee99]

You said start of d1 so I guess you win this one

[Dwlee99]

Taco I got it before you said it openly so I'm kind of annoyed at you but it's okay.

[Dwlee99]

Seanzie you want to role claim?

[Dwlee99]

In Dwlee's world.

[Dwlee99]

I mean you know that he can't be masons with Zyla cause Zyla is evil. You're evil though unless you have a role that beats mine.

[Dwlee99]

Taco it's okay, Seanzie I have a guilty on you but given the Thunderdome I'm intervening.

[Dwlee99]

What's your role so I can know if it's a fake-guilty?

[Dwlee99]

Let's say I found a gun in your possession. Why would that be?

[Dwlee99]

Damn you taco.

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:
Okay actually given taco is drunk maybe we want to wait til tomorrow thank you for reminding me.

I think that Seanzie flips scum here but no need to rush the day either.

[Dwlee99]

How are you seriously missing the fact that Taco is working their ass off to try to save their scummate?

Mainly because I scumread your slot and there's now a claimed guilty on you which does not look good for you.

I've never had alchohol so idk how long it takes to get undrunk.
Google time.

Mood. I think when Taco wakes up we will get our answer (I assume they're asleep because of the "goodnight")

[Dwlee99]

The thing you thought was a mason soft was a guilty soft fmpov which is why we did that song and dance with me claiming a gunsmith guilty on you.

[Dwlee99]

Taco I think you could have gotten Seanzie through without hard claiming here

[Dwlee99]

Seanzie if you're town you must hate this site lmao

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee, give me a an overview of the game

Well I'm town as always and seanzie is probably evil cause I scumread him before the guilty.

[Dwlee99]

Well I'm town as always and seanzie is probably evil cause I scumread him before the guilty.

Why is Seanzie scum? Why is Taco town?

Seanzie has had bad progressions imo. Taco has been trying to solve the game fmpov

[Dwlee99]

I will later monkey for now I'm gonna go watch a movie with my partner

[Dwlee99]

Lol Seanzie coming out after all this to claim VT
HURT: Seanzie

[Dwlee99]

Seanzie has had bad progressions imo. Taco has been trying to solve the game fmpov

I've read his ISO and all I've seen were pointless questions, a defensive tone, and abrasive conversational style. Point out the posts that indicates game solving.

Actually y'know before I go do this how did you read their ISO so fast?

Lol Seanzie coming out after all this to claim VT
HURT: Seanzie

I didn't expect people to actually ask me to claim in that situation since that sort of thing happens a lot less on the sites I'm more familiar with. At my home site, hammers are rare, usually the TK is an EoD plurality vote, so people don't ask others to claim very often.

I was in your last game on site and you claimed at E-1.

[Dwlee99]

That's E-1, I want this wagon but don't want day to end.

[Dwlee99]

Town: T3, ssbm_Kyouko, Shrek, Lucifer (assuming vig claim holds up), Taco

Townlean: Titus

Null: Galaxis (now HEM)

Scum solve: Seanzie, Zyla, Tris (now Manatee)

[Dwlee99]

If Seanzie flips town then my reads just flip taco and Seanzie

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I at least want everyone to check in so someone could counterclaim if need be. I also want everyone's takes on it.

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If Seanzie is town, we lost. There's no way we wouldn't be eliminating Taco tomorrow.

Why would that mean we lose? Taco is certainly evil in that scenario.

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No one hammer. Hammerinh here early is a scumclaim

You can unvote and we can give you hammering privileges

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There's no world where Seanzie and Taco are both town.

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Because if Seanzie flips town then Taco must have lied about being a cop with a guilty, which is a scum claim.

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Taco claimed cop. I don't think saying don't early hammer is a retraction.

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Self-hammer here is a scumclaim so that's cool

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Happy cake day before osuka locks it

Thanks

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Seanzie if you're town you must hate this site lmao

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Someone faked a guilty last game you were. Actually, two people did, and one was town. Your luck is weird if you're town

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I mean I agree with what you've written assuming you're town. I don't really like the fake guilty reaction test thing that both your games on site have had, and it's actually not that common normally so idk why if you're town you've gotten so unlucky.

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Taco I really hope you're BSing here.

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Titus at the top?

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Shrek is informed of cop

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I mean seanzie I was saying that ending day early was bad for town. I think at least here it is thought that self-hammering is anti-town bar needing majority before deadline

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We can't auto-elim Taco tomorrow. That's a forced game-losing situation.

It is day two, not three

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You went from 8 3 to 5 3 in your math.

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VOTE: Manatee
T3 is taking the fall for me here btw. Just get manatee though

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I have a guilty on Manatee that got sent to T3 overnight.

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The drawback is that manatee will know more about t3 and I's role and can send it to scum

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And protective stay on t3 btw even though scum will likely kill me tonight. He will be more useful later.

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Summary: kill TF out of Manatee now next person to log on.

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Like unless you think t3 and I are both deepwolf right now this is a no-brainer

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I would switch Kyo and Titus probably but sure.

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Well yes we can get both Titus and Kyo I'd just rather win one day early.

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Also before hammer I just wanna say Taco you are ridiculous but also I'm stupid for believing your claim at all. Seanzie was right it was dumb

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Games really do be being town-sided don't they

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I feel scummy using this but Kyo was on-site since day start and hasn't posted. Feel like that's scummy especially in these circumstances.

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Also, since I didn't have a chance/reason to post it yesterday, I'm a 2-shot JK, I jailed Lucifer the first night, but not last night, so I'm unsure of why there wasn't a second body this morning if Lucifer is telling the truth

This is a scum claim 100%
Town JK? Doubt
JKs the vigilante? Doubt

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I feel like with the fact that we don't know the setup, for all we know the kill that went through was the vig (doctor, jailkeep, bulletproof town, etc)

This contradicts your claim

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It's better to investigate null-scum reads. I've had you locked

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Well you're lined up to be eliminated tomorrow

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Lucifer almost certainly site flaked btw

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Before doing anything tomorrow unless me or t3 gets another guilty we should wait for Lucifer to get replaced. It sucks we have to wait three days for it but it is necessary

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I believe the claim but don't believe the alignment.

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You should have messaged Osuka with this, not posted here. I think that the way you've gone about this is uhh bad to say the least and I suggest you stop posting.

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Zyla if you're town flip a coin between jailkeeping Titus and Kyo I think.

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Or maybe roll a three sided die for including Lucifer in that? Want t3 to confirm this makes sense.

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But there's probably not one

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My role is the one that gets guilties. I agree with t3's plan I think

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Except if someone dies and you flip town we know Kyo did the kill. Hmm we could rearrange the names maybe.

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I'm actually thinking Kyo might be evil over Titus because of the being logged on and not hammering last night.

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Because Kyo could kill me tracking them.

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That's true t3. Uh also did I get rolecopped

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Shrek has an inno on taco.

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That's true t3. Uh also did I get rolecopped

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Except if someone dies and you flip town we know Kyo did the kill. Hmm we could rearrange the names maybe.

Why would Kyo do the kill if you're

tracking

them?

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You said I was a tracker a bit TMI

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If you rolecopped me

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Taco let's just let the day end in peace.

Pedit: By you I meant you plural by which I mean you and your scum buddies.