Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

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More specifically:

Why didn't he protect Artemisia who claimed cop

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VOTE: catboi

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I am assuming mafia all has chip-away powers as well as their factional btw. Which means we should assume multiple kills a night because fuck us that's why.

Town needs to fucking sit on their hands and stop taking potshots at each other.

Is there benefit to all claiming who we've shot at so far?

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Might be a good idea for accounting purposes.

pedit: I didn't kill save the dragons. That was Dunn.

To be clear, I did 2 damage to him, not 3.

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oh, so it was. how many vigilantes are there? i recall Dunn's was a vig and not an attack, but i'd have to check.

You recalled wrong

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We submitted a bodyguard ability on Artemis last night, and the mod failed to process this action. If things had gone exactly as locked in, we'd be dead flipped confirmed town right now, and Mara-timis would be screaming her cop result from the rooftops.

Instead, we have been told that the mod will explicitly confirm this error and that we have permission to make this post, and the game will proceed with that confirmation.

It's the best we can do :/

I'm...okay with this.

Considering you claimed to have read nothing, what's this supposed to mean?

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No one claimed the other one damage which is interesting.

pedit: Yeah, I agree that's a weird statement.

Can this person claim now?

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Town needs to fucking sit on their hands and stop taking potshots at each other.

I mean obviously town should not intentionally shoot at town, but I think shooting at someone you believe to have a reasonable chance of being scum isn't a bad play.

Except it fucking is when mafia probably has a factional night kill AND 5 hp worth of chip damage to dole out when players are averaging about that in HP count, if not under.

Alright, I also shot at NDMath for 2 damage, and Titus dealt 1 damage the day before.

Not great, I know, I was going off of mechanical arguments + knowing people would shoot there so we'd get something + the murdercat elim being town

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I mixed it up, Titus did 1 damage to chara

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I think titus probably attacked ndmath yesterday for 1 damage

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last night, rather

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I do think Flea is way more likely to be scum based off of:

Other unrelated scumreads flipping town and needing someone to be mafia this game
Their insistence that they were being tunneled when they weren't
Their play yesterday fitting with scum who sees two town players getting wagoned

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This, ftr, is why I stepped back yesterday. I wanted to see what would happen with the wagons when I left the control up to others after giving a push.

I thikn there's a lot to learn there, so I'll probably give that a look and form some opinions...

that won't matter because in the end you're just gonna kill whoever you like without my input.

And I stepped back to let you do your thing.

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I wasn't neighborized last night, if that's what you're asking.

Suspiciously specific?

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I do not

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Suspiciously specific?

I don't want to give away more information than is being asked for.

What exactly are you "suspicious" of?

That you seemed to think they were talking to you specifically

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Your input is appreciated beforehand but not after

Specifically, when I say 'who should I shoot if we get murdercat?' on stratum 3, that's your chance to give input. I don't want to hear it after the flips.

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Also I'm not seeing you offer any ideas on who the scum area and you go straight to trying to policy elim without getting real reads and blaming everybody else.

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I just don’t have a result yet

What does that mean?

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So Farkran, Titus (probably), and myself shot at NDmath
Ircher killed Titus
Mafia killed Artemiana

Where did the mafia hp damage go?

I think we can assume that since NDMath was town, mafia wouldn't stack their shots on someone who wasn't the watcher, in fear of being caught

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Other options include not shooting since ndmath was elimmable, spreading damage out across multiple players, or somehow being gated

Oh, or Ircher is lying and they stacked on Titus

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Catboi, did you shoot anyone last night?

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my strongest tokay based tr.

huh

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I say this with absolutely no context: town rage quit?

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24. Something_Smart
18. Flea the Magician
22. Farkran

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catboi
Ircher

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20. Thestatusquo
19. Chara
14. not science
16. Dwlee99


This is my ~opinion~ on claim order for the top row. Things can be shuffled within the lines but not across them.

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I don't want to get burned by mechanics again, but I think it's interesting that farkran does 2 damage. In a good way, assuming they've even telling the truth

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oh well. it'll be okay. day 1 scum elims lose games after all!

Maybe you are onto something

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Not reading 223 pages. Can someone catch me up on importa info/what happened?

Bingle is an IC
Morph the cat is confirmed town (allegedly)

Day 1 wagons were Anya, Sigmund, Flea

Anya flipped mafia
Day 2 wagons were NDMath and MurderCat

Murdercat flipped town and then NDMath flipped town

Other people died as well

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Ripples in the sand. The waves crash onto the shore's ocean, peering back and forth. She commands the tides of her own journey.

Well LLD any idea on what this means

How are you supposed to glean that LLD was roleblocked from this text, without LLD having announced it?

Your role does not seem to do the job of voyeur as described

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MOD EVENT

Spoiler:

Votecount 1.11

Adventurers

:

Flea the Magician [8]: Dunnstral, White Fire, Guillotina, Sigmund, morph the cat, Bell, Farkran, notscience
Sigmund [7]: Save the Dragons, Flea the Magician, NDMath, MURDERCAT, Bingle, Thestatusquo, Chara
Anya [4]: Ircher, Lady Lambdadelta, Artemiana, Titus
Ircher [2]: WhemeStar, Toogeloo
Lady Lambdadelta [1]: Anya

Not Voting [2]: Not_Mafia, Something_Smart

Please let me know if you see errors and I'll do my utmost to fix

With 23 alive it takes 13 to eliminate. Stratum 1 ends in (expired on 2021-06-04 22:25:25).

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Votecount 1.10

Adventurers

:

Sigmund [6]: Save the Dragons, Artemiana, Flea the Magician, NDMath, Thestatusquo, Something_Smart
Flea the Magician [5]: Dunnstral, White Fire, Guillotina, Sigmund, morph the cat
Ircher [4]: Chara, Bingle, Anya, Titus
Save the Dragons [3]: Toogeloo, Farkran, MURDERCAT
Anya [1]: Ircher
Artemiana [1]: Lady Lambdadelta
MURDERCAT [1]: notscience
NDMath [1]: Bell
White Fire [1]: WhemeStar

Not Voting [1]: Not_Mafia

Please let me know if you see errors and I'll do my utmost to fix

With 23 alive it takes 13 to eliminate. Stratum 1 ends in (expired on 2021-06-04 22:25:25).

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Day 1 was still 13 to eliminate with 23 alive, by the way

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Are you saying you think Flea could have been an attempt at a counterwagon to Anya?

I don't think it played out like this

Anya wagon came later

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Adventurers:
Flea the Magician [8]: Dunnstral, White Fire, Guillotina, Sigmund,

morph the cat

, Bell, Farkran, notscience
Sigmund [7]:

Save the Dragons

, Flea the Magician,

NDMath

,

MURDERCAT

,

Bingle

, Thestatusquo, Chara

Anya

[4]: Ircher, Lady Lambdadelta,

Artemiana

,

Titus

Ircher [2]: WhemeStar, Toogeloo
Lady Lambdadelta [1]:

Anya

Not Voting [2]:

Not_Mafia

, Something_Smart

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Toogeloo green too

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If flea is scum here, It is likely that there are people bussing here.
If not, then the shift onto Anya is worth looking at more closely

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UNVOTE:

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For all I know they're got several townies to 1 HP and can just scattershot to win the game.

Ah couldn't be me then, I always bring my townies down to 0

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Do... do you need some cuddles? I'm in like every post you make, you're getting as bad as Dunn and White Fire lol

You need to stop claiming that I'm tunneling you because that has never been true and you're hardly in every post I make

This was never true for White fire either

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I am tunnelled on Sigmund, I know I am, I am trying to break it. Nobody is tunnelled on me, and I don't recall saying anything like that D2.

Really? So what does this mean?

Try being 20 pages behind, also Dunn votes are always good, no doubt he's still wearing his drill out on me.

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Dunn - Masurao

Night 0 attack: No damage dealt
Night 1 attack: Save the Dragons for 2 damage
Night 2 attack: NDMath for 2 damage

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I'm going to list all the shot claims in one post

It's clear that somebody whose shot is unaccounted for is lying

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Night 1:

No Damage: Something_Smart, Flea The Magician, Chara, catboi, Bell, T3, Lady Lambdadelta, morph the cat
Save The Dragons: Dunnstral (2)
Catboi: Farkran (1)
Farkran: Dwlee99 (2)
Notscience: Ircher (1)
Ircher: notscience (?)



Night 2:

No Damage: Something_Smart, Flea The Magician, Bell, T3, Lady Lambdadelta, morph the cat
NDMath: Dunnstral (2), Farkran (2)
Ircher: Dwlee99 (2), Chara (1)
catboi: Ircher (1)
Artemiana: catboi (1)
Something_Smart: notscience (?)

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Artemiana never claimed a debuff, but we can save it for claim order

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I missed WhemeStar on my list

Or rather, I don't see if he has claimed

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Night 1:

No Damage: Something_Smart, Flea The Magician, Chara, Bell, T3, Lady Lambdadelta, morph the cat, Whemestar
Save The Dragons: Dunnstral (2)
Catboi: Farkran (1)
Farkran: Dwlee99 (2)
Notscience: Ircher (1)
Ircher: notscience (?)
Artemiana: catboi (elemental)



Night 2:

No Damage: Something_Smart, Flea The Magician, Bell, T3, Lady Lambdadelta, morph the cat, catboi, Whemestar
NDMath: Dunnstral (2), Farkran (2)
Ircher: Dwlee99 (2), Chara (1)
catboi: Ircher (1)
Something_Smart: notscience (?)

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Since we've gone through the trouble to do this, I think people should claim if they've taken damage not listed here

@morph?

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@notsci

who do you think would be more scared of morph on n0, scum or town?

Hat do I think scum
ould do about you? Attack
They don’t have the facts

I’m a cat on book
Cant sim, but I have zoomies
You know hat I mean?

Obv the car on the book is yuumi

Zoomies is the name of her heal

I explicitly didn’t use a W this post to denote I can’t w (when you combine yuumi w with her heal it heals someone else)

I also shot SS last night as I promised morph I would

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I was moreso looking for your approval for that idea

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...I have just received FURTHER CLARIFICATION from the moderator that my elemental damage DOES NOT ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING when first applied, it merely adds a stack of "Burn" or "Freeze" to the target, and the debuff is not applied until I activate those stacks via using my third ability. The role PM is worded INCREDIBLY confusingly and this was not clear to me in the slightest based on the way it was written. I assume Firebringer did not understand the nuances of the role either, which is why he softclaimed the way he did on day 2, and why Artemiana never claimed any sort of debuff.


I apologize for full claiming out of turn, but the ambiguity in my role has forced me to out to correct these misunderstandings.


I am actually UNBELIEVABLY frustrated right now with how this has all had to go down. I'll probably be taking a rain check for the rest of the night. Hopefully I'll be able to think about this game without getting pissed off tomorrow.

I have so many questions

Like "did you read your role pm?"

Because how do you miss that one of your abilities primes your elemental damage, or that you do elemental damage in the first place

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Sapping Curse (Innate) [Active] - Choose a target. If available, you will siphon 1 SP from them.

So you do this, except you don't actually get the sp, and you have to set it up a day in advance, and more of your ability space is dedicated to doing this

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With that said:

Catboi is not by biggest sr currently, I still think there is a chance they are scum

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...I have just received FURTHER CLARIFICATION from the moderator that my elemental damage DOES NOT ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING when first applied, it merely adds a stack of "Burn" or "Freeze" to the target, and the debuff is not applied until I activate those stacks via using my third ability. The role PM is worded INCREDIBLY confusingly and this was not clear to me in the slightest based on the way it was written. I assume Firebringer did not understand the nuances of the role either, which is why he softclaimed the way he did on day 2, and why Artemiana never claimed any sort of debuff.


I apologize for full claiming out of turn, but the ambiguity in my role has forced me to out to correct these misunderstandings.


I am actually UNBELIEVABLY frustrated right now with how this has all had to go down. I'll probably be taking a rain check for the rest of the night. Hopefully I'll be able to think about this game without getting pissed off tomorrow.

I have so many questions

Like "did you read your role pm?"

Because how do you miss that one of your abilities primes your elemental damage, or that you do elemental damage in the first place

I CAN'T SHOW YOU THAT WITHOUT GETTING MODKILLED

BUT IT SAYS I DO 1 ELEMENTAL DAMAGE, AND APPLY A STACK OF BURN/FREEZE

ELEMENTAL ISN'T MENTIONED IN THE RULES

WHY WOULD I ASSUME IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE REGULAR DAMAGE?

NONE

OF THIS WAS EXPLAINED TO ME

ok

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You didn't answer my question. Any role that poses a choice to a player to make during the night must resolve immediately, but that doesn't play nice with other roles; didn't someone confirm there's a true roleblocker in this setup?

Take another look at the night deadlines.

I had suspected that there was a role like this because they left themselves room to process things like this

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Would it be a big setback if you only had 4 people on you?

You realize the mafia kill is lethal damage that doesn't care about hp right

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Cursed slot

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Cursed slot

This game sucks dunn

i got angry and now i feel like even if town wins i've lost?

We can put that behind us

Personally I feel we should eliminate the person most likely to flip mafia today, and then coordinate shots on the 2nd most likely, in order to stabilize our position

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Helloooooooo large theme!

I really shouldn't be in this large theme but the temptation was too much. I've been eyeing this game since so long ago wanting a spot and now I finally see a spot and its like I have exams but but Yggdrasil :,(
Anyways, I read like two pages and I'm 95% convinced Morph is scum with LLD. Their convo seems way too overly dramatic which is my only reservation given I dont know if scum would try hard their ass off to that extent. But I mean its Cabd and LLD in a large theme. I don't see why not. I probably messed up SRing Cabd right off the bat since this is generally a more save it for later once you get into the game type of read since Cabdrivers will steamroll my ass with his scum team if he's scum like last time but whatever. I dont really have the time for this game I couldn't stop myself from repping in tho so hopefully I get night killed or something. And uh I will 100% not be reading up so dont even ask. After my exams, if im still alive, I'll try hard this game if im not too brain fried. Uh this game is already moving too fast tbh but I'll try my best and I need to ask unwnd some question about my role pm. Dont worry about me spamming this game. That shouldn't be happening. I'm too busy with ap exams and ya.

Hi Noraa!

Cite the 2 pages please!

And for bonus credit, cite pages in another game where scum us and scum LLD interacted similarly!

don't think i was ever scum with you ffery

Only scum against you a couple times. Cabd on the other hand...which is the point. I'd like at the very least to know which two pages Noraa is talking about.

How about you?

How likely is it that both catboi and now noraa are gambiting about not knowing stuff? Or that noraa as scum pushes you without reading the scum pt

I think the slot is more likely than not to be town at this point

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This sounded 100% like scum to a partner.

Maybe you are tone deaf, it doesn't look that way to me

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Like, I'm in the wrong for letting my anger get to me and I apologize. There was no excuse for calling cabd a piece of shit, no matter how hurt I feel this game.

Espcially since it ties my anger and frustration and hurt to me alignment and makes this discussion after the game harder to have.

I've fucked up.

But that's irrelevant to the game right now.

The above is the standard.

This sounded 100% like scum to a partner. Also I dont get how body guarding Andrea or whoever Artemia? means anything? What does that have to do with conftowning morph?

No offense but you should read the game before firing off 95% certainty reads

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the mod didn't tell me what my predecessor actions were.

So the mod hasn't told me who my previous slot targeted yet.

I don't believe this.

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I was informed of White Fire's actions immediately as part of my confirmation. Even with recent sloppiness as a consideration, I find it highly unlikely that the mod would change protocol so drastically. This seems like a stalling tactic.

How the tables turn

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Murder On the Merits of Scummy

T3 - Playing to scum meta, basically. We had mild but growing concerns about Shea on day 1/2, and initially thought the replace-out could have been a town-replace, but T3's play has put that thought to rest. Cabd has been his mod AND played against scum-him recently.


Flea the Magician - severe lack of interaction/acknowledgement of most of the game happenings. day 1 wagon hijinks. mostly meaningless catchups (see first point) See also: Deathcurse Regigigas but then keeps being useless after meta.


Something_Smart - lack of thread health maintenance, didn't chime in re all the troubadour discussion with notsci and speculation about a troubadour neighborhood (in contrast to the neighbor), pushes on us have felt both tentative and opportunistic, like shopping our vulnerability to the rest of the players and being noiser about it when others were expressing concerns about us. neuter and spayhalf gutvibes. Something_Smart is this game's Dandelion Wine, and I'm going to let Dunn do here what he SHOULD have done to Cephrir and I.

I am in agreement here

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I am tunnelled on Sigmund, I know I am, I am trying to break it. Nobody is tunnelled on me, and I don't recall saying anything like that D2.

Really? So what does this mean?

Try being 20 pages behind, also Dunn votes are always good, no doubt he's still wearing his drill out on me.

Ah yes, me commenting you were on me when I'm 20 pages behind, and not mentioned after until the one I made poking fun :)

White Fire was on me most of D1, you had a fascination with me D1, I honestly can't remember D2.

You're fun <3

I was hardly 'on you'

hi LLD. i'm still thinking about sheeping you but i've had a second wind so it won't be blind. also i might be on your list so lmao.

I prefer this cause it makes me more able to read you. You are on my list to solve today to be sure but yeah this will help me sort you.

I would like to go over this list to solve before I commit to anything today

Right now I am at:
Morph town based on play
Chara feels town
S_S and Whemestar to the north of null
Guillotina towny
I at least have good feelings about TSQ right now, though this isn't a very strong read due to how fakeable I feel this can be
And Bell is towny
I have you as strong town and of course there's Bingle
And yeah, Titus makes sense as town to me based on their targets. I still think they're holding something back in their role claim and that I wasn't wrong about that.

Middle of the pack reads where I'm not taking a hard town or scum stance:
Farkran
Sigmund (They have the wagon situation and claim d1 in their favor)
Notscience
Artemenia
Flea (almost a scumread)

Leaving me with the following players as scum:
White Fire
MURDERCAT
NDMath
Ircher

Try being 20 pages behind, also Dunn votes are always good, no doubt he's still wearing his drill out on me.

And it is true that you were inferring that I was tunneling you after all

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I think we should get claims from those in the red (and maybe farkran because they wanted to and it's not going to get much easier to read them)

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I think we messed up by not shooting. Shooting = accountability and we know where you went, vs all the scum shooting at people for free

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My pool of three to roll a D6 on for everyone's chip damage:

I mean obviously it's my three red names.

Roll your own D6. Don't use dice tags because that's provable randomness and illegal. Or just pick the one from the list you wanna murder most.

Night Damage

1 or 2: Flea
3 or 4: T3
5 or 6: Something_Smart

I will follow this unless given reason otherwise

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Probably even if given reason otherwise, in fact

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No worries, we have a lot of damage

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In my ideals, one of those 3, and not you

Narrowing it down further than that is not my role today

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Bound?

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What are binds?

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What are binds?

No clue. You tell me.

I think we need a full role claim from you and S_S

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No worries, we have a lot of damage

Why's S_S scum?

Because they're not towny and other people are

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Scythe - innate - I deal damage to a target.
Endless Shroud - innate - Binds do not affect me while I'm covered in Miasma Armour
Miasma armour - 2 sp - I negate 2 points of damage to me in that stratum.
Black Shroud - 3 ap - I can disable peoples innate abilities for that stratum.

This feels like a scum role. Also I have issues with ability 4 serving the same function as LLD claim

Also the sp costs feel too high to really do anything.

Not to mention "binds" doesn't seem to mean anything

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Scythe - innate - I deal damage to a target.
Endless Shroud - innate - Binds do not affect me while I'm covered in Miasma Armour
Miasma armour - 2 sp - I negate 2 points of damage to me in that stratum.
Black Shroud - 3 ap - I can disable peoples innate abilities for that stratum.

This feels like a scum role. Also I have issues with ability 4 serving the same function as LLD claim

Also the sp costs feel too high to really do anything.

Not to mention "binds" doesn't seem to mean anything

Sorry for not being fully aware of the fuckin setup?

You don't need to be sorry, but I'm also not going to ignore this

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unless someone lied

Which they did, because Dragons died. Day 1 list should actually be the inverse.

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Mafia must use at least one damaging action each night.

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Dunn honestly feels like they're trying a lot of subtle manipulations

Like what?

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You don't need to be sorry, but I'm also not going to ignore this

this just makes me feel like it's NDMath 2.0.

i feel like i remember you saying another role this game was "too weak" but i don't remember the context. but ultimately it feels like deciding alignment based on what you think a claim implies is the wrong way to go.

I believe it was Titus' role

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Dunn honestly feels like they're trying a lot of subtle manipulations

Like what?

That I've seen you're not taking much of a hardline approach and seem to be trying to get things done in as little text as possible. I don't like it, honestly.

I don't agree with your interpretation

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Nor do I think that that describes how I'm subtly manipulating

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Gamestate points towards a town Flea here.

How?

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I genuinely don't have the fucking spoons to dive into your iso Dunn, nor do I have the fucking spoons to deal with being asked to prove every goddamn thing I do to you.

Your latest is using my immunity to bindings when armoured to cast me as "suspicious" because neither of us know what exactly a fucking binding is.

You're the one who said I was manipulating and you can't even explain that from what you've read.

Saying I'm not taking hardline stances is not an argument related to manipulation

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sp is not even a part of my role pm

Why didn't your predecessor say anythign when this is one of the reasons I shot at NDMath and killed him?

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For the record,

SS asked me to gambit his position in his claim by telling everyone that not only i was confirmed town to him, but also him to me.

I refused though, because i deemed the risk/benefit ratio too high in case i flipped before him.

Somewhere, in the great dead thread in the sky, skitter is shouting "Purple Room Crasher" from the top of her lungs.

I think this alone should be setting off warning bells about S_S

What if mafia can hide a flip?

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I was informed of White Fire's actions immediately as part of my confirmation. Even with recent sloppiness as a consideration, I find it highly unlikely that the mod would change protocol so drastically. This seems like a stalling tactic.

Noraa we were mid massclaim when catboi left could you please claim any actions and role

the mod didn't tell me what my predecessor actions were. Unwnd just quoted the role pm to catboi and told me I was at like 3/5 HP or something. Then I asked if my predecessor had any actions and why my hp wasn't 5 and he didn't reply.
I have like 4 different things .. abilities? that I dont remember. Ig I'll go read the role pm again

Was this ever explained? I kinda feel like Noraa cc'd her own slot here and I'm not sure how to take everyone just ignoring that.

The explanation is that catboi's accusation in 5950 was wrong and the same thing ironically happened to his slot

I don't think it's a contradiction

I do think that I can't lock the slot in as town anymore due to not speaking up when NDMath was dying.

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I think this alone should be setting off warning bells about S_S

why

that's literally something I say as town in 100% of worlds

Because it reads like a scum gambit where you then kill farkran

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I think T3's last few posts seemed like a scum claim, and that we should deal damage there

If ircher has a shot that is able to be used we should expand the pool of shots for that

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Because it reads like a scum gambit where you then kill farkran

Yes, if I were scum and he agreed to it, that's what I'd do. What does that have anything to do with it?

You can't see how this is a problem for me?

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Cabd I think it might be best to go after one of the discrediting scum today.

I don't know that I have the power to dictate my terms.

I have but my vote.
And your vote.
And sigmund's vote.
And bell's vote.
And probably Ircher's vote.
And jingle's vote.


My sextavote role is not enough to hammer a wagon, need a 3x voter to join me.

I'm likely to vote with you, I was thinking we'd figure out notscience votes first

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Yeah okay.

As previously mentioned, I'm Troubadour. I have an innate one-shot loyal neighborize, which I used on Fark N1. So he's confirmed town (or he will be once I flip, anyway). I crumbed this (I can pull up the crumb if anyone cares, but it wasn't meant to be found, just for him to point to if I died). I picked him because he was both in everyone's nulls and someone I thought I could work well with (my other candidate was Chara, but I thought Chara was more likely to receive pressure from how they defended Anya).

I also have a one-shot 3 SP ability to make my neighbor's non-damaging actions unblockable for the next night. It is a buff as morph predicted, but not a very useful one.

I have 6 HP. I haven't taken any damage so far. If notsci actually did attack me, then I don't know why it failed.

[Dunnstral]

Scythe - innate - I deal damage to a target.
Endless Shroud - innate - Binds do not affect me while I'm covered in Miasma Armour
Miasma armour - 2 sp - I negate 2 points of damage to me in that stratum.
Black Shroud - 3 ap - I can disable peoples innate abilities for that stratum.

[Dunnstral]

Who is softing jailkeeper?

[Dunnstral]

bingleses is going to jail tonight

I see it

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Flea the Magician

[Dunnstral]

Scythe - innate - I deal damage to a target.
Endless Shroud - innate - Binds do not affect me while I'm covered in Miasma Armour
Miasma armour - 2 sp - I negate 2 points of damage to me in that stratum.
Black Shroud - 3 ap - I can disable peoples innate abilities for that stratum.

What was this meant to achieve Dunn?

Quoted for lld's benefit

[Dunnstral]

Do you guys think this is within Flea's scum range?

[Dunnstral]

Do you guys think this is within Flea's scum range?

I feel worse about fae flipping scum than t3 which is all that matters.

We're still looking to shoot people at night so this isn't true

[Dunnstral]

UNVOTE:

[Dunnstral]

I can make people either Attack someone of my chocie or take no actions.

there are way too many issues leaving a redirector alive in this setup

It's not a full redirect.

I target someone and make them attack someone of my choice. If they refuse, they take no action instead.

It's literally just a town roleblock.

Scythe - innate - I deal damage to a target.
Endless Shroud - innate - Binds do not affect me while I'm covered in Miasma Armour
Miasma armour - 2 sp - I negate 2 points of damage to me in that stratum.
Black Shroud - 3 ap - I can disable peoples innate abilities for that stratum.

[Dunnstral]

If they're town why aren't they claiming their real role?

[Dunnstral]

Do you guys think this is within Flea's scum range?

I feel worse about fae flipping scum than t3 which is all that matters.

We're still looking to shoot people at night so this isn't true

Sure, but we don't know how scum can protect against chip damage

This isn't a reason not to at least try to shoot at them

Further, if I'm wrong and they're town, I don't want to shoot at them, and scum likely won't be blocking that.

[Dunnstral]

NO ONE ELSE VOTE NOTSCI.

LLD's point about you and me holding the hammer and E-1 on the lim is prudent, regardless of her alignment. Our wagon placement is largely irrelevant for analytical purposes.

I'm not sure how I feel about 2 RB claims, one of which also claims to have been RB'd and a jailkeeper soft from non jailkeeper flipped scum, but it does feel significant.

I'm also a roleblocker. I didn't target LLD. I targeted noraa slot last night and my action was a success. Who knows if catboi was being truthful when he claimed to have not done anything just because, considering people are notified when they are blocked.

My role works as follows: I make it so that somebody can only use their attack. This costs 2 sp.

Attack is seen in LLD's claim, here's what I've pieced together:

An innate ability that deals damage is definitely and attack, but it is unclear which or if any of the following are attacks:
-Elemental damage
-Sapping sp
-Factional kill
-Vig shot

My claim matching up with LLD and the night deadline being extended to allow for her to use her ability both point towards the actual role claim being real.

Unfortunately, from my point of view, somebody has to be lying here. Somebody who is angry in the thread, even. Or else, seeing as how LLD is claiming roleblocked and nobody is owning up to it, there would have to be 4 roleblockers in the game.

I think flea is lying, but maybe I'm being dumb. Maybe Morph will see this and vote for LLD.

[Dunnstral]

I'm not sufficiently caffeinated. Can you spell out Flea's lie.

And is voting for LLD what you want to happen?

Regarding voting LLD: not really, I just wanted another pair of eyes on my info.

When I said Flea is lying I meant about their role, and the reason is because I think there's too many roleblockers. for us to all be town.

LLD saying they weren't roleblocked may change things.

[Dunnstral]

Also, I wanted to state for the record Dunnstrall, since I don't want you coming down on me later, that I have an ability that uses 0 SP too.

I never said having an ability that uses 0 sp was a problem

It was when bingle claimed to be an npc class that still had an actual pool of sp that I started thinkign that ndmath was lying while being a field class, about not h aving that pool of sp

[Dunnstral]

Also his claim is one we can't do chip damage on soo

Everyone we asked to claim has claimed that they're a bad target for night shots due to mechanics

[Dunnstral]

I'll wait for my turn to claim

Yes, we should be getting T3 slot too

We shouldn't speed elim though

[Dunnstral]

Oh, lol, I had assumed Noraa death was you.

Everyone claims their full actions from bottom to top of our reads list order.

I'm up for this mass claim today

[Dunnstral]

Gamma-VFP-S_S final answer.

I didn't like how LLD walked back on the roleblocked claim after I claimed my role.

i don't know, though

[Dunnstral]

Noraa's role prevented healing which only seems to interact with Sigmund's claim, I think we can lock them as town if nobody else has a similar ability

[Dunnstral]

Gamma slot already claimed. Red zone claimed yesterday

[Dunnstral]

Scum shots are likely more limited than initially thought given two members could deal 2 damage

[Dunnstral]

Spoiler: morph reads

Here's stuff.... Updated to reflect new data. All of these reads ARE still in order, the higher within each tier, the stronger the town read.

Touch Not a Single Hair On Their Heads

Morph the Cat (fferyllt/Cabd) - Mod Confirmed

Bingle - Mod Confirmed

notscience - You will literally never convince us out of this read; meta, tone, style, the way our crumbing dance went, the way Mara's claim went down around him nodding at it

Bell - For {Bell_Alignment} get {postcount}. If {postcount}>50/Day -->Town; else-->Scum

Sigmund - Day One Wagon Compositions. Bravado in throwing down with scum on this list. Claim fits ours like yin and yang.

Break This Glass In Case of Lack of Endgame After The Lower Tiers All Die

Dunnstral - If Dunn is scum this game, he has not just like, ridden the bus, or driven the bus, he has become the metaphysical concept of all buses that have ever existed at any point in the universe. He probably should be a tier higher but eh. Not his style. He'd also be working harder to get our attention.

Dwlee99 - I fully admit this read is based more upon the meta tells of his predecessor. Guillo has a few tonal markers we look for and expect, and he hit all of them with not just a pass, but a pass with flying colors. Dwlee has done nothing but improve our opinion of the slot since.

WhemeStar - his level of caginess given what he's shared about his role still doesn't make sense, but he's towned it up in other ways, especially over the last 24 hours. He's hit a lot of town notes, but he hasn't really taken stands on players. He's expressed paranoia about the usual "scary" players, basically. New data here has him rocketed up to mid-yellow tier.

Chara - Chara has been wavering in ours reads list a lot. That said, the TSQ slot scum-claiming rockets them all the way to up here. I would be incredibly shocked if Chara is scum with TSQ, and this game doesn't have traitors per the public alignment counts, so there ya go. There have been a LOT of points recently, mostly in day three, that ffery and I found ourselves cheering for a Chara post.

Ircher - Ircher is most likely a vig here. I don't really think that scum has chip damage, a factional kill, AND an extra kill. That said, Ircher's continued stubbornness while once endearing has started to grate hard, and it's unlikely but NOT impossible that scum did have some sort of gates extrakill.

POE Murder List Winners

Farkran - The big thing we like about Farkran is how he's interacted with us given our speculations about his role, etc. The question this game is not "Does the neighborhood have scum in it" but "does the neighborhood have town in it?" Farkan's alignment hangs in the balance. I am assuming that the troubadour in scum-SS confers buffs and potentially protection to the pairing, and that might be worthy of using on an ally for the WIFOM and the gains. It would also be useful for assuring a townread from a townie, though!

Lady Lambdadelta - ~takes cover~ It's just hard to see people above as less town than she's been, and it's also hard to fit their shapes into a team with our other scumreads. She just feels like the puzzle piece that snaps the whole picture together. LLD is one of those reads that short of mod clears, belongs in contention until the game is over only as an acknowledgement that she is WAY capable of busing every single one of the fools unlucky enough to draw red with her right to the very end. Last episode's LLD-Scum sighting had her publicly obtain a dayvig and shoot her partner in the face with it for cred. We do not read her on the basis of emotions, not after Tenet, and not before Tenet either.

catboi/Noraa - the stacking damage role info sounds more like a scum ability to me, especially as compared to mara's SP steal. We empathize strongly with the anger/irritation from catboi about the role not being made clear enough and that softened ffery's read while he was here. I also feel like scum learning they'd used those abilities suboptimally would be super-pissed and able to channel some of that salt into a "town" roleclaim. The way he went about it though, feels town to me. I'm extremely conflicted. Noraa's play has hardened the read back up, though, and we still think this flips scum.

Murder On the Merits of Scummy

T3 - Playing to scum meta, basically. We had mild but growing concerns about Shea on day 1/2, and initially thought the replace-out could have been a town-replace, but T3's play has put that thought to rest. Cabd has been his mod AND played against scum-him recently.

Flea the Magician - severe lack of interaction/acknowledgement of most of the game happenings. day 1 wagon hijinks (by hijinks, we're talking about the way Flea's wagon changed and moved when the competing wagons became Anya and Sigmund. We don't like the mostly meaningless catchups (see first point) See also: Deathcurse Regigigas but then keeps being useless after meta.

Something_Smart - lack of thread health maintenance, didn't chime in re all the troubadour discussion with notsci and speculation about a troubadour neighborhood (in contrast to the neighbor), pushes on us have felt both tentative and opportunistic, like shopping our vulnerability to the rest of the players and being noiser about it when others were expressing concerns about us. neuter and spayhalf gutvibes. Something_Smart is this game's Dandelion Wine, and I'm going to let Dunn do here what he SHOULD have done to Cephrir and I.

Something_Smart and Gamma slot have claimed
The remaining order is:

VFP -> Farkran -> Ircher -> Chara ->Whemestar -> Dwlee99 -> Dunnstral -> Sigmund ->Bell -> notscience

[Dunnstral]

I don't see where Nora's stops heal

1 Stack of Freeze - HP Gain is lowered by 1. Effect is additional by 1 for each stack applied.

[Dunnstral]

Can your role do anything else?

[Dunnstral]

OK.

It may be in our best boring interests to stop mass claim here and eliminate VFP and Gamma

[Dunnstral]

Actually I think this is like xenoblade 2 mafia and it doesn't matter. Eliminate VFP, nightkills stacked onto something_smart and t3. T3 should die if dealt mortal damage, right? And something_smart needs only 4 damage to die (supposedly), and with scum numbers dwindling I think we can coordinate 4 damage onto something_smart now.

I suspect T3 probably flips mafia. Something_smart I think is likely mafia as well, but that's not a lock for me, the role is sort of believable to me but I think he should indeed be flipped.

p-edit- I bet you do lol

[Dunnstral]

This game is upsetting to me, and not because of the mod error. The "lol" in my last post is in response to VFP's flat disagreement in the context.

VFP, you claimed a different role than your predecessor did. What likely happened here is that they made something up whereas you claimed your actual role not seeing the previous claim. Your non-gamma teammate should have filled you in, or you should have asked. This claiming session was not a surprise, unfortunately you have outed yourself as mafia by claiming what you did.

Gamma, I don't really believe that you replaced in just to die: You're going to want to try to turn your slot around. In the nicest way possible, I don't think anything you have to say is going to change my established opinion on your slot, and you should save yourself the headache that is getting too invested in this game or its outcome.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Will actually elim here since ascetic shouldn't be able to stop kills and this feels like it drags things on less

I roleblocked T3/Gamma slot last night in case they were lying about their role. As a reminder, this would not affect their attack actions. I figured I might as well just use it on who I pretty much know is scum rather than save it for later (and I couldn't target noraa twice in a row.)

LLD claiming and capitalizing Attack is interesting if that wasn't their actual role.

[Dunnstral]

This is why I’m a dunn fanboy

You are?

Scums best bet yesterday was discrediting the duck out of morph (LLD, Flea, Noraa, SS a bit more passively)

I noticed this from LLD and Flea, but attributed it to emotions

I agree we can afford the miss I just want to think about what we are doing if SS is town.

I'd go for Whemestar. LLD and catboi were both pushing a subtle narrative that the game was full of mod errors, beyond what we saw with Morph. However, LLD was definitely lying, and catboi was possibly lying. That leaves Wheme's claim that the mod forgot to give them results look more suspicious to me. I also don't get why they got late results again today.

[Dunnstral]

Also if LLD thinks they were role blocked I can probably answer that because I targeted them last night. I just don’t have a result yet

Ripples in the sand. The waves crash onto the shore's ocean, peering back and forth. She commands the tides of her own journey.

Well LLD any idea on what this means

Can your role do anything else?

I have a passive that blocks the second non attack action on me.
Which I don't understand since I can be ascetic.

[Dunnstral]

UNVOTE: Gamma Emerald

Did anybody target LLD/VFP with a non-attack action last night?
This is important, I'd like everyone to claim it

[Dunnstral]

Would I be incorrect to assume that, if Whemestar and VFP are both telling the truth, and nobody used a non-attack action on VFP last night, that the next non-attack action to target VFP would fail? So like, we could test this?

[Dunnstral]

You know

I’ll just say yeah sure so morph can’t yell at me postgame if he is scum

Yeah you did target them?

[Dunnstral]

Why do we have to test the claim when we already determined it was a lie

I think that part of the claim has a chance to be real

What we'd be testing is whether Wheme actually targeted VFP slot

[Dunnstral]

I feel like it is probably second non-attack action on a particular stratum.

Yeah they could be lying but they'll flip before Wheme this game, and if their role is as described this could be useful

[Dunnstral]

I mean we can test it

Or we can use our chip damage to finish off the last two and go from there

We can do both

[Dunnstral]

notscience, do you need votes on you today?

[Dunnstral]

Even if he were mafia and had 20 hp, that wouldn't really help him

[Dunnstral]

Also if LLD thinks they were role blocked I can probably answer that because I targeted them last night. I just don’t have a result yet

Ripples in the sand. The waves crash onto the shore's ocean, peering back and forth. She commands the tides of her own journey.

Well LLD any idea on what this means

Can your role do anything else?

I have a passive that blocks the second non attack action on me.
Which I don't understand since I can be ascetic.

[Dunnstral]

[Dunnstral]

[Dunnstral]

Sleep

[Dunnstral]

I do not like that second gif.

The cogs or jimmy neutron?

[Dunnstral]

I'm also a 1-shot gladiator, should I attempt to gladiate VFP and see what happens? Would there be a problem if it goes off and we kill VFP instead of Gamma?

@Bingle/Morph

[Dunnstral]

Does gladiating actually do anything whatsoever for us?

Feel like it kinda doesn't.

It slightly helps in that it gives potential info. We can call it

verifying

Wheme's action

This isn't a big deal, though, I'm fine with eliminating Gamma because of potential extra kill reasons, and to not drag out the game, especially if you don't see value in this

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Dunnstral]

We don't have to entertain me
Ideally we kill VFP and Something_Smart as well

[Dunnstral]

So how many mis lims we got?

Nothing stops you huh

[Dunnstral]

Farkran have more than 3 townreads thanks

They are in a neighborbhood with scum

[Dunnstral]

Fark is town because VFP and Gamma are scum, and Farkran can't be scum whether S_S is town or scum

[Dunnstral]

This game is upsetting to me, and not because of the mod error. The "lol" in my last post is in response to VFP's flat disagreement in the context.

VFP, you claimed a different role than your predecessor did. What likely happened here is that they made something up whereas you claimed your actual role not seeing the previous claim. Your non-gamma teammate should have filled you in, or you should have asked. This claiming session was not a surprise, unfortunately you have outed yourself as mafia by claiming what you did.

Gamma, I don't really believe that you replaced in just to die: You're going to want to try to turn your slot around. In the nicest way possible, I don't think anything you have to say is going to change my established opinion on your slot, and you should save yourself the headache that is getting too invested in this game or its outcome.

[Dunnstral]

Maybe split on whoever is next in the reads list?

It's Farkran but they should be cleared if s_s is town

[Dunnstral]

Regardless of what my last body claimed, I'm still town.

They claimed roleblocked redirector that makes someone say yes/no for having their attack redirected
After I claimed roleblocker they backtracked and said the mod made a mistake and they weren't roleblocked
And now you're claiming ascetic

I can't see this as town

[Dunnstral]

I've never seen an early massclaim so goddamn effective at tripping up mafia.

Xenoblade II

I even have a seemingly anti town role again

[Dunnstral]

Unfortunately, I doubt that aspect of it is what this game will be remembered for. :/

Yeah

[Dunnstral]

Regardless of what my last body claimed, I'm still town.
I don't think it's hard to control search to get the info as scum. So again, in the sense I'm town having my opinion is worth it on a town flip.

A scum flip is just a dis regard.

So if we assume for worst and mus lim today, I die and another town dies how many mis lims have we got?
And if you give me some names (I'm guessing SS and Gamma) I can look there.

14 alive, 3 mafia. Extra kills at night, likely from town.

[Dunnstral]

Regardless of what my last body claimed, I'm still town.

They claimed roleblocked redirector that makes someone say yes/no for having their attack redirected
After I claimed roleblocker they backtracked and said the mod made a mistake and they weren't roleblocked
And now you're claiming ascetic

I can't see this as town

Well I can't talk for them.
But say I'm town... let's pretend for a second at least. Who am I looking at?
Who's claimed what?

We are killing Gamma and Something_Smart

You don't have to take a look at them, though

[Dunnstral]

We are killing Gamma and Something_Smart

You don't have to take a look at them, though

Who am I looking at then?

I mean this in the kindest way possible: Don't waste your time & effort because it probably won't be considered. And also someone will hammer andcthen you will die at night.

If you still want, look at farkran. Assume S_S is scum: they claimedloyal neighborizor on Farkran

[Dunnstral]

If you still think I can be mafia you aren't looking at the game very hard

[Dunnstral]

If you still think I can be mafia you aren't looking at the game very hard

I don’t need to because the game is over.
*slouch*
It’s not me and it’s not Notty.

S_S and farkran can’t both be scum.
Bingle is still alive etc.

Also, I was wrong on LLD, woops.

Likewise, I don't feel the need to defend myself very hard

[Dunnstral]

I've already incrementally claimed my whole role:

Roleblocked white fire night 2 and noraa night 3

My shots: Save the Dragons, NDMAth, Noraa, VFP

[Dunnstral]

1 sp i can give someone 1 hp

[Dunnstral]

If it isn't smart, my bets would be on Dunnstral.

Based on what?

[Dunnstral]

I’m Conrad. I can check to see what someone’s name is. I could not act night 0.

Murderkitty is murderkitty,
Ircher is ircher
VFP is VFP
CHARA is chara.

That's all your role does?

[Dunnstral]

Binding probably stops all attacks while letting other actions through

[Dunnstral]

I can't see myself voting anyone other than something_smart today

[Dunnstral]

I believe we treated sigmund as confirmed town due to claiming healer, but recently other people have claimed healing powers as well?

[Dunnstral]

I have an idea of how the scum team would have been playing and Chara doesn't fit into that image for me

[Dunnstral]

But I sure as fuck don’t think dunnstral calls out his scum buddies botched fakeclaim literally ever

When I first claimed roleblocker LLD felt the need to walk back their roleblocked claim

When VFP claimed ascetic, it was more a matter that they wouldn't have made that kind of a mistake if I were mafia (because If the above was theatre, I would have filled him in on what was going on)

Chara doesn't fit my image as mafia right now because they were posting before VFP, and I think Chara is the type to want to go over things that have happened and figure out what they are doing

[Dunnstral]

When I first claimed roleblocker LLD felt the need to walk back their roleblocked claim

I think before this point there would have been an argument that I could be mafia with LLD, and we were both trying to win together, but after this point that argument doesn't really make sense anymore, and I don't really make sense as mafia given the other flipped mafia

Who does

Something_Smart fits that for me

[Dunnstral]

Aesthetic scum targeted by a loyal neighborizer would just auto kill S_S right?

I'm assuming Farkran is in a neighborhood so they can't be ascetic

[Dunnstral]

Do you think I’m overthinking and the spirit of morph is facepalming right now

If you're wondering why scum hasn't surrendered if it's something_smart; yes you are overthinking

[Dunnstral]

what

[Dunnstral]

(Does this work on Factional kill and can you use it tonight?)

I can use it tonight.

It probably doesn't work on the factional kill. It depends on whether it's considered an attack. Speaking of which, I was mistaken yesterday, my gladiate ability also counts as an attack, meaning the term is more broad than I imagined

[Dunnstral]

Specifically, my roleblock makes it so somebody can only use their attack(s)

[Dunnstral]

I think the setup was mostly fine

I think it has the potential for mafia to overwhelm the town with their large amount of shooting power

[Dunnstral]

I didn't know it was either chip or factional kill, that changes things

[Dunnstral]

someone healed me on night 2. i don't think that person should claim, and while i appreciate the heal, their choice of target confuses me so very much.

i was healed last night, again. while i appreciate it it's pretty much a waste.

yes Bell, i continue to live!

apparently there's a healer with a vested interest in keeping me alive... no, i don't get it either.

like, maybe it doesn't matter, but... nobody else thinks it's weird i was healed twice? what happened there? i mean, i don't exactly think it's some kind of plot, it's just.... weird.

pedit: i guess i'm glad all the scum defending read town to you.

wait, shea

was

pocketing/white knighting me. if i'm also right about Dunn trying to white knight me i get a cookie.

i think it's just SS though. Wheme and Bell are my locktowns. Ircher i kind of want to night murder just for paranoia's sake but is most likely town.

Sigmund is a big ? that's very probably town but i wish was posting more.

I believe we treated sigmund as confirmed town due to claiming healer, but recently other people have claimed healing powers as well?

i have a tinfoil that Sigmund is actually scum and that is has something to do with the heals on me.

yes, i know that sounds ridiculous.

I do 1 damage and activate to heal myself for however many votes I have at the end of the next day phase

i hate how dear notty has an ability that feels so similar to mine in terms of utility.

i'm not going to read into setup stuff too much though.

but seriously, someone make Sigmund claim his actions at some point. i know he's said he has no time rn.

pedit: oh hey thanks Siggy
who the fuck was healing me then. was it actually scum doing it. i haven't even read the scumflips.

I believe it's just, Chara on Ircher, everyone stacking on Chara, right?

I would imagine that should end it.

This is plan. If Chara flips town and I'm dead, someone should look into whose flavor matches healing it, because none of the claims or flips account for that afaict.

yay, someone else finds it weird.

Chara you were healing yourself

[Dunnstral]

I think we messed up by not shooting. Shooting = accountability and we know where you went, vs all the scum shooting at people for free

This but scum not shooting at all to perform the factional kill

[Dunnstral]

I took the claim in 356 as well as the text from the screenshot in post 369 (I typed out what I saw in the screenshot; it's not the full role but is the text that can be seen in the redacted screenshot). I put both into an online tool that checks for plagiarism.

Spoiler: Here are the results

I will let people draw their own conclusions with the data.

[Dunnstral]

You are making two different arguments right now jjh. You are saying that this mod kill was in error, and you are also that the bar for paraphrasing role pms should be changed

If you think that the bar should be changed, that is a fair discussion to have for future cases, but it doesn't have bearing on this game. The bar is back there in a place you don't agree with, and you can't get mad at all three of the people who agreed with where the bar was, just because you think it should be in a different place. These are different conversations. Basically, you can say that the Mastina kill shouldn't have happened because you don't agree with the rules, but you can't say that the ruling was applied incorrectly.

That's my take, I didn't want Mastina to have been modkilled either.

[Dunnstral]

It sounds like you're asking for the rule to be changed, not clarified